On Feb. 11, '06 Saturday morning to afternoon, a small group of Minuteman/Gilchrist participants did their usual disruption of day labor pick ups in Lake Forest on the corner of El Toro and Jeronimo.

On hand was me, Cliff, and Naui to counter protest against them. When I arrived, Naui was already there and I was surprised to see him. So I decided to chat with him. I don't have an official affiliation with Naui, but we're on friendly speaking terms and have some stuff to talk about.

Later in the day, it was discovered that a few vehicles belonging to the Minuteman participants were pranked on. Some nails were placed under the tires. One vehicle backed out and the tires were ruptured. The nails under the tires of the other vehicles were left there for photographs and police.

1Inchgroup of SOS posted on the SOS forums accusing me and Naui of placing the nails.

http://www.saveourstate.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=7899

I had nothing to do with it and I will be contacting the Lake Forest police department about the false accusations. I will not take this lightly.

As for Naui, I can't prove his innocence. But I interacted with him throughout the day and never saw him in the parking lot where the tampered vehicles were parked.

Not that it's likely, but if anyone has any information, please contact the Lake Forest police department.

(949) 770-6011

(949) 461-3530

I have reviewed the footage and photos I have of today and found nothing that indicates who did what to the vehicles.

They have also accused me of targeting and going after their female participants which is untrue. I tried to help one of them reach her friend Sal who left her there by offering the use of my cellphone. Naui's sign was taken from him and I told gentle hold of it to indicate I wish to have it to give it back to him. That's about it.

There was also some apparent paranoia about the living whereabouts of their organizer. I have not told anyone where anyone lives.

I think his name is Sal, according to his friend.

They have a new sign.

BTW, the photos of the tires above were taken by me in the same moments when other people were taking photos. It was one of the vehicles that wasn't backed out and the nails were left there for the police to see.

Why would you encourage anyone to call the police? Let us suppose someone sympathetic to your cause put those nails there. Why would you want that someone turned over to the police? I don't think activists should be encouraging other activists to call the police on people who carry out sabotage of enemy property.

I would encourage anyone to call the police as a matter of damaged property.

I ask that anyone sympathetic to my way of protesting to please DO NOT do anything like place nails under tires.

I'm not sure how much of a "cause" I have, I was simply saying no thanks to Gilchrist's Minuteman Project and "Let Them Work" referring to the day labor workers in Lake Forest. For the time being, just let them work. It's not gonna kill us.

Despite what the Minuteman participants think of me, the ones I've gotten to know are ones I don't hate personally. I still have regard for them aside from this issue. People like Debbie, Robin, Spillz, and others. Things got weird obviously. Yeah we argued and acted mean. Like when I said "nice to see you too Robin!" that one day when ABC reporters were there, I take that back because I don't regard her with that attitude. I even left a message saying I'll review my footage from today. So, with that, if someone damages their property, I'm not one to just say, "hahaha, oh well too bad, I won't cooperate with the police." It's not cool to pop someone's tires.

I'm not in line with other organized activists. I do my own thing. And I'm not into activites that include sabotage and damage of people's property.

"I'm not in line with other organized activists."

Point well taken.

Thanks. Meaning I'm not a member of ANSWER or Green Party or Collectivo or Code Pink or anything like that. I'll talk to whoever I want and stuff. But as for affiliations or memberships, I'm solo.

Another point well taken.

I have some information, and I don't suspect Naui or Cliff.

BR

I wonder where this is leading? First vandelizing personal property, whats next? I guess time will tell. I won't be suprised when the news reports of people being beat and shots fired at one of these protests.

Confused ~ the escalation of violence that you write about has already happened. Minuteklan supporter ran over counter-protesters in Garden Grove, Costa Mesa PD beat someone to the point he is hospitalized, and several people were shot in Campo during the minuteklan action. These are only three examples of a long list of growing attacks against day laborers, immigrants, and those that oppose the xenophobes. But you're right, if things dont change, it's only going to get worse. STOP THE HATE!

Until there is some conclusive evidence, speculation is useless.
The important aspect of this vandalism is the move into physical action.
I think escalation of any kind but the awareness of corporate exploitation and control which produce these economic pressures are counter productive if not suspicious.
You people have weak security.

Some members of SOS think I want to file a lawsuit because of an accusation posted on their forums. Actually it's what was said to the police that I'm concerned with. I never specifically said lawsuit, but I am following legal advise in this matter.

The minutemen are like Orwell's Doberman Pinschers in 'Animal Farm'.

Pat Robertson speaks highly of them, so what does that tell you?

Pat Robertson also speaks highly of the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights... so what does that tell you?

1. the escalation of violence that you write about has already happened.

What violence has a minutemen member committed?

A. Minuteklan supporter ran over counter-protesters in Garden Grove,

Hal Netkin, was reacting the the pounding on his vehicle, by the rowdy protesters, and seeking to preserve his life and protect his property. He was detained, question, and released without charges, as he did no wrong. Get over it.

B. Costa Mesa PD beat someone to the point he is hospitalized,

Let the courts deal with it.

C. several people were shot in Campo during the minuteklan action.

And, your point is? It was at night on the border. people should carry guns in rural areas. So, far no charges against any Minutemen have been filed. Hmmm, I wonder why? Could it be the illegal was trying to sneak in and surprised a drug smuggler?
BTW -- good parents don't take their children into dangerous situations.

D. These are only three examples of a long list of growing attacks against (1) day laborers, (2) immigrants, and (3) those that oppose the xenophobes.

1. SOS and MM target the employers, of the day laborers, since it is a felony to hire an illegal alien, and not fill out the DHS I-9 form.

2. SOS and MM are pro-Legal-immigration. The illegals can go back to their country of origin.

3. You only use words like "xenophobe", in your vain attempts, to win an argument, but in so doing you lose every time.

E. But you're right, if things dont change, it's only going to get worse. STOP THE HATE!

It ain't hate, it's tough love.

Probably the minuteklan did the planting of the nails under the tire and called for damsil in distress.

There was some speculation of the Minuteman participants on hand planting the nails themselves. But I doubt that was the case because one of the cars was actually backed out and the nails punctured the tires.

The ones there who I knew, I have never known them to be people who would do anything like that.

http://www.saveourstate.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=7899&pid=76135&st=0&#entry76135

It seems that 1inchgroup is claiming that someone put a nail under a tire of someone's vehicle at his/her home, and of course blaming it on me. I've got alibis aplenty. If someone really found out where this person lives, it wasn't from me. Someone could have simply followed them home. Gee, I wonder if they thought of that?

It sounds like he's looking for a reason to do something bad to me. I was advised to not talk to the LF police department, but maybe a restraining order is in order. I'll have to see this Saturday if he would confront me in an aggressive manner. Count on me to have my camcorder handy. I love filming with it!

*tick* *tick* *tick*

only a matter of time Cliffie Boy. You little, self important, undecided, off-your meds, whiny little gas bag.

Keep pushing. I'll push back.

Yeah, when the cops are watching. You have got to be one of the biggest puzzles I've ever met.

You're on a track to self-destruction. Stay on it at your own peril. I will not warn you again to quit stalking me, via the internet, email, or in person.

I have become wary of your behavior, you are unstable. If you approach me, I will be forced to defend myself.

Your last warning. Shut the fuck up.

Stalking you? You seem obsessed with me! Are you on some kind of reputation warfare? Believe me, I have no interest in coming near you. It's not so much how dangerous you'd be. It's your apparent desire to wait for a reason to do something. Meaning, it wouldn't matter if it was you or some elderly person. From your behavior, I'd rather avoid trouble with you. But I don't answer to you.

I'd be surprised if even Joe Turner and Don Silva aren't embarrassed from this.

I'll be honest, didn't like you from the moment I met you, but I was being nice because it's the nice thing to do.

Your attitude gives me the feeling that you think this is entertainment for you. Some grand spectacle for you to watch while you soul search. Go take some acid and wander around in the desert like your hippie forefathers did and leave the work to the men.

Even if you have no intention of causing harm, you're doing it. This isn't a joke Cliff. Home addresses can get people hurt. I don't want to hear your yap about how you didn't tell anyone anything...because it started once you yelled
"I know where you live" across the street.

As for a reputation war...you continue to be a puzzle. There's no fight here...you killed it yourself. Wonder how long you'll be put up with from the other side...considering that this would be the PERFECT way to install a Minuteman in the enemy ranks.

Maybe you're our troll, sweetie. Remember, just put the briefcase by his desk. We'll do the rest.

The End.

I have nothing to say to you. I want no further communication from you. Any attempt to approach me will be considered hostile.

Have a nice life.

I have never yelled out "I know where you live" to anyone at any time. If you heard someone say that, it may be someone else bluffing or something. But honestly I have never said that to anyone.

As for entertainment, it's not like I'm producing crappy music CD's or video clips wearing a stupid chain like Lucca Zanna or trying to get a chair and binoculars dance routine into a Laguna Beach parade. The whole Gilchrist campaign/SOS/CCIR thing is a completely embarrassing joke.

As for sides, I'm a loner in this. I'm not a member of Collectivo or Code Pink or ANSWER or any of those Indigenous groups or anything like that. I may communicate with people, but I'm not trying to pry into their operations and I'd infact emphasize that so there is no doubt about me. I'm all for communicating and finding common ground and learning a thing or two. Which is what I should have done before getting into all this SOS nonsense. SOS is a complete joke.

I was there again today, but arrived really late at 10:30am. I had some more friendly contact and understanding with the day labor workers. I say at least for the time being, let them work.

I explained how I wish for the city to put the day labor situation somewhere where it won't interfere with businesses. Then they can continue work. If the Minutemen want to continue taking photos and arguing with motorists, they can do that there instead of blocking traffic and causing more commotion around businesses.

One of them who speaks English explained that a Home Depot will open and perhaps they'll have a business that will have a day labor center in Lake Forest/El Toro. Generally, I'm okay with that. I don't have a problem with that.

When the Minutemen were done and drove away, 1inchgroup drove his truck a little onto the sidewalk in front of a few day labor workers. I saw the truck in that position and it looked like he was hinting at running his truck into people. Or maybe just abruptly parking, I'm not sure. he drove around the stores, got out of his truck, threw his jacket onto his truck bed, and argued with a couple of day labor workers. This part I got on video, but was across the main road. I did pick up some audio when 1inchgroup said some words including "shoot you in the f***ing face" in an angry manner towards an individual. It's clearly on video focused and zoomed in with his mouth visibly speaking, no denial there. The audio picked up but I had to turn up the volume on my TV. It shouldn't be hard to boost the audio.

When a police car came and an officer came and pulled 1inch away, I went over to speak to the officer about what I saw.

I waited for the officer to finished speaking with him and make sure to keep a distance away from 1inch and Debbie, who was also in his truck.

I spoke about what I saw and his borderline threats or at least hostility towards me on the internet. It wasn't a concern of theirs.

I was speaking to two officers and 1inch said his jacket and cellphone was stolen. I told the officers at least a couple times that if there was a theft, he can go ahead and take care of that while I wait. I understand if there's a theft. But 1inch had to wait for that. Not sure what happened, but he left.

The two officers spoke to each other and I overheard them and basically 1inch and the other guy could have been hauled off to jail.

Upon review of the footage, 1inch did park and walk over to bring conflict to the day labor workers he was speaking to. But as far as I can tell from the footage, one individual actually pushed 1inch from behind first, and 1inch responded with an arm movement. It didn't looked like a punch, maybe pushing the guy's arm away.

He was cooperative with the police, but also visibly and audibly annoyed, as was Debbie.

One officer said that some guys were calling insults to a female, I guess Debbie. They could have ignored it and drove away, but 1inch may have wanted to be a tough guy and take issue.

As they left at one point to their truck, they either held hands or one took the other's hand and held briefly or more. Could be some emotion, tough guy acting as a knight in shining armor for his lady, and road rage mentality involved.

Let's look at the Minuteman "SOP"(Standard Operating Procedure) for what it's worth:

____________________________
Standard Operating Procedure for Minuteman Project
1. Minutemen are courteous to everyone with whom they come into contact, and never discriminate against anyone for any reason.

2. Minutemen do not respond to any taunts or harassment from outside agitators, and must never be present for duty or serve in any capacity if intoxicated.

3. Minutemen Observe, Report and Direct Border Patrol or other appropriate emergency or law enforcement agencies to suspected Illegal Aliens or Illegal Activities.

4. Minutemen do not verbally contact, physically gesture to or have any form of communications with suspected Illegal Aliens.

5. Minutemen follow the Standard Operating Procedures to the letter and spirit.

6. Minutemen follow all federal, state and local laws, understanding that we are being held to a higher standard by all

7. Minutemen understand that, while our actions cannot stop illegal activities along the boarder, we can change world perception and national thought concerning Homeland and Border Security.

8. Minutemen monitor their behavior, the behavior of the people around them and the group as a whole to ensure compliance with the SOP and any instruction given by Minuteman Corps Leadership.

9. Minutemen leave no garbage behind and follow strict pack-in / pack-out procedures.

10. Minutemen respect the property rights of everyone, start no fires, never drive off road, and follow the directions of all law enforcement personnel
________________________________

Looks like #2 was disobeyed by 1inchgroup. But he didn't appear intoxicated. He seemed perfectly sober.

Looks like #4 was disobeyed as well.

#5 as well.

As for #8, 1inchgroup and Debbie were the last ones there when the truck incident happened as far as I saw. But by this SOP, technically Debbie should be monitoring 1inch's behavior and discussing it with the others.

#10 was disobeyed when 1inch drove the front part of his truck onto the sidewalk at the corner. Also when he drove around and parked at a red curb to get out and argue.

Now let's see if the other Minuteman participants will continue to let him participate in Lake Forest.

Okay, I installed some software, but it turns out it's a bunch of Sony Picture Package slideshow crap. I already had a Windows Movie Maker. I just needed the drivers for my camcorder. Anyways, here's the video clip. I hope this works. It's Windows Media format. The audio of the spoken works ("shoot you in the f***ing face) is captured. Download of view and turn up the volume a lot to hear it. It's just a clip of the footage I got.

In all honestly, I think 1inchgroup may be a ticking timebomb, even if he or whoever wants to portray me as one.

Ya it worked. 1inchgroup is the guy with the shades holding a cigarette in his hand, the hand that points to the person he speaks to. I can't think of a reason why he would say that. Watch, listen, and judge for yourself.

Okay, not to post for a third time in a row here. But BR emailed me this:

_____________________________
Cliff,

From me to you.

Don't be posting stuff about anyone on Indy.

If you posted a video of today's events,-- or whatever you witnessed 1inch do-- on Indy, you have my sympathy, for what's coming down.

You seem to be reacting, from your "feminine side". You seem to be acting on your emotions, and not taking time to think things through, or consider the consequences.

You need to back off. Find another hobby, and make it far away from any SOS or Minuteman activity.

It's been interesting knowing you.

BR
_____________________________________

Uh oh, is 1inchgroup gonna come after me? Uh ohhhhh!

1inch posted this on SOS:

___________________________
I'm sure if anything happens, it'll be while no one's watching. There's a lot of people looking to see him one day out on the street...all by his lonesome. Someone else will get to him before I will...
________________________________

You can see it at http://www.saveourstate.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=7899&pid=76173&st=40&#entry76173

Well gee, I wonder if 1inchgroup is gonna shoot my f***ing face, hahaha. Well if anything happens to me, everyone reading this will know who to question.

So uh, been nice knowing all of you hahahahha!

I wonder if 1inch will be at the Laguna parade on March 4th after this. What a joke.

Cliff... you are in over your head here.

This guy One Inch - the name doesn't refer to the length of his member - it refers to the length of his fuse.

We have had eyes on him a long time. His response patterns have been very consciously tested. He failed the test, as was expected. He is ego centered, violent; wants to play cops and robbers.

His profile is close to that of members of the LAPD CRASH Squad who were busted in the Ramparts scandal.

His profile also bears similarities to those of former death squad members from El Salvador who were examined following the mass killings in that nation.

Maybe you think all these minuteklan wackos with guns are just that - but they should not be dismissed.

There is a level of hostile obessession and paranoia among a number of them that warrants serious concern and monitoring. Some of these people's primary motive is simply that they want to shoot someone.

We realize that you are a young man in the middle of what is, for you, a self defining experience that is a needed part of your development.

You will learn best if you learn not to laugh at death, or at grinning skulls like that of One Inch, or anyone else, for that matter, who is enamored of the death's head emblem or its moral equivalents.

If you can shoot a one inch group at 25 yards with your handgun or you can take your rifle and shoot a one inch group at 100 yards, that is superb.

Is that the actual meaning, like a group of gunsmen who can shoot a 1-inch target from that distance?

Accuracy is shot to shot consistency. Ideally, if one fired a succession of shots at a target, all shots would go into the same hole. That would be perfect shot to shot consistency.

In reality, things are seldom ideal. There is human error in holding the rifle, erratic barrel vibration, inconsistecies in the quality and assembly of ammunition, variations in shooter skill, wind, humidity etc., A puff of wind can affect the point of impact of any given shot.

Accuracy, (shot to shot consistencey) is established by firing a group of shots (usually five shots) at a target, usually at 100 yards, and then measuring the "spread" of the group. A spread of one inch for five shots is considered kind of a bench mark. This is what is meant by a "one inch group."

You can verify this by reading any magazine or book about rifle shooting. It has been part of the parlance of shooting for at least the last 80 or so years.

I had not known that. I tried to look up the term on Yahoo, Google, and Wikipedia but couldn't find anything.

Well, unless he's ( this one inch person ) a cop or affiliated with law enforcement, he'd be a prime suspect if anything happened to you.

http://media.putfile.com/1inchgroup-of-SOS-in-LF

Whole video here

I want the public and the city of Lake Forest to be aware of this because of the nature of this incident. One of the officers said that both the Minutemen and the people who protest against them are being "knuckleheads." He has a point in that when the Minutemen come, it brings about a lot more commotion than any loitering there does. With or without counter protesters.

If this incident and others had not happened, the day labor workers would be working as usual. Sure they are loitering technically, but not causing the commotion the Minutemen and SOS do.

One of the workers informed me that they're waiting for a Home Depot to open. Lake Forest/El Toro may have an actual day labor center there. I'm okay with that, on complaints here.

As usual, only half of the story is seen...and reported.

Here's what happened...last weekend there was a day laborer that was drunk off his ass, following and propositioning Debbie. He wouldn't leave her alone, and by the end of the day...the police department was called out. The drunk took off and was not located.

Debbie saw him and pointed him out. I stopped to let him know what happens to people that threaten or verbally abuse a female in American Society. See...it may be acceptable in Mexico to beat the living shit out of your wife whenever you feel like it, but we do things a bit differently here.

The asshole in the blue cap was the drunk from last week. I was talking to him.

From my peripheral vision, I saw another day laborer, that had earlier threatened a rallier with a knife, circling around my right to my rear.

At that point, I told him if he pulled a knife, I'd pop him in the face. And I would have been well within my rights to do so. He backed off, and started walking away, so I turned my attention back to blue baseball cap man.

At that point...someone pushed me. I turned around and saw 15-20 people, obviously didn't know for sure who did it. So I pushed the crowd back and got in the face of the closest asshole to me.

All well within my rights to defend myself and my friends.

The entire story comes out...and even with me on video yelling like a banshee...

Cliff looks like the moron again.

Good reporting dipshit.

Get the whole story next time.

Oh, by the way...while I was being talked to by the cops, a $600.00 leather jacket was stolen off my truck... All I've got to say about that is....whoever ripped it off better throw it out...cuz I ever catch you wearing it...

We won't be dancing.

Oh, by the way Cliffie. I am not, nor have I ever been...a Minuteman. I am a Save Our State member, and am very happy doing things our way.

Your MMP angle is also a dead end.

Maybe you should change your name from CCJammer to "Half the Story Chicken Little".

I understand how easy it is to hate someone who is different from you. You, too, can have red hair, sweetie pie, buy some Clairol. Violent acts will only bring about
more violent acts. Control your drunkards. Let's see, how does it go??? Instant a**hole, just add alcohol.
The brown will never get respect this way. Did I die in vain???????

My replies

"Here's what happened...last weekend there was a day laborer that was drunk off his ass, following and propositioning Debbie. He wouldn't leave her alone, and by the end of the day...the police department was called out. The drunk took off and was not located."

I heard or read about that, but didn't witness it. If that was the case, I understand that is a problem.

"Debbie saw him and pointed him out. I stopped to let him know what happens to people that threaten or verbally abuse a female in American Society."

And what exactly would that be? I'd prefer going to the authorities.

"See...it may be acceptable in Mexico to beat the living shit out of your wife whenever you feel like it, but we do things a bit differently here. "

Whoooaa, easy there. Way to go, what a great way to build ties and relationships with people from all around the world. I can feel the love in the air.

"The asshole in the blue cap was the drunk from last week. I was talking to him."

Okay.

"From my peripheral vision, I saw another day laborer, that had earlier threatened a rallier with a knife, circling around my right to my rear."

Do you mean the guy who was apparently arrested and an object was taken from him, about a couple weeks ago? I was filming and three females tried to block my camera with their protest signs. Well if it is, well the Saturday before last Saturday, one of your guys said he was actually moving toe nail clippers or something like a knife. Not a good thing to do, sure, if he was pretending it was a knife. But if that's what happened, it wasn't a knife. If it's a different guy, okay then.

"At that point, I told him if he pulled a knife, I'd pop him in the face. And I would have been well within my rights to do so. He backed off, and started walking away, so I turned my attention back to blue baseball cap man. "

Even if you felt you were being threatened, are you really sure that was the best thing to say? You're escalating the tension here. The fact still remains you said that.

"At that point...someone pushed me."

You're right, I did see that from the video. There was one point where my camera was either viewing something else or it was off because I may have been using my regular eyes to witness. By the time I got the camera back to you, it looked like something happened.

At a later point same thing, I should have used a more steady hand. But yes it looked like you got pushed first.

"I turned around and saw 15-20 people, obviously didn't know for sure who did it. So I pushed the crowd back and got in the face of the closest asshole to me."

And you said "f***ing bitch!" to him. The authorities would rather you walk away for your safety. One of the officers acknowledged that both you and another guy, who he was talking to, were both responsible for this. He wanted me to say that to the guy in Spanish, but didn't know that I don't speak or know Spanish.

"All well within my rights to defend myself and my friends. "

More like "I'll show them who's boss!" mentality, all while smoking a cigarrete.

"The entire story comes out...and even with me on video yelling like a banshee... "

You stated your side of the story, fine.

"Cliff looks like the moron again."

Nuh-uh. Debbie follows the Minuteman SOP, that can't be denied. Which means she should have moved on and not respond to taunts. And you stopped your truck and pursued one or more persons.

"Good reporting dipshit. "

Wellllll, I suppose it sort of is. But some people post just pictures of some events. I just said what happened on the day when the nails incident happened and stated that this being on the main page of Indymedia wasn't necessary.

"Get the whole story next time."

I'm not really doing the reporter thing. I can't reply on the SOS forums since I was banned by Joe Turner, so I make a post here adhering to what Indymedia is about as much as I could, being informative and making people aware of what goes on in Lake Forest. I stated that I was across the road and stated what I saw and heard. If what you say is truthful, okay you fill in some gaps I suppose. But you also continue to show your aggressive psuedo tough man attitude.

"Oh, by the way...while I was being talked to by the cops, a $600.00 leather jacket was stolen off my truck... All I've got to say about that is....whoever ripped it off better throw it out...cuz I ever catch you wearing it... "

I know, I heard you say that when the officers were speaking to me. I told them at least a couple times that if a theft happened, they can take care of that first while I wait to state what I witnessed.

"We won't be dancing."

And what exactly do you mean by that?

"Oh, by the way Cliffie. I am not, nor have I ever been...a Minuteman. I am a Save Our State member, and am very happy doing things our way. "

Alright fine, you're an SOS member who reacts to taunts by pulling your truck onto a sidewalk in front of day labor workers, parking at a red curb, and confronting people in an aggressive manner while smoking a ciggarette.

"Your MMP angle is also a dead end."

How so? This isn't an angle. This is real life.

"Maybe you should change your name from CCJammer to "Half the Story Chicken Little". "

No thanks, I think Jammer CC is just fine. And I state what I know and questions I wish to have answers to.

And any moderators, 1inchgroup called me a "dipshit" but that's okay. No need to delete or hide his posts, unless you personally wish to. But I'm okay here.

God, you are ignorant. As if he would answer any of these questions. Do you really think he is that naive?
Please get over yourself, oh great organizer of the OC. Keep driving down wages and then you'll have your people complaining about $7.00 an hour instead of $8.50.

Slavedriver.

"We won't be dancing."

And what exactly do you mean by that?

--
That usually implies a knee injury. Rather painful.
I know.

BR

BTW -- I like the new look of LA Indy. Easy on the eyes, although, now I'll need areading lamp at night.

The Inch Group does not do interviews, especially with front groups for Neo Cons.

Well, Mr. Earl...I'll answer one of those...maybe two...although you have a habit of sending incorrect information out...(referencing your interview with Gilchrist)...

1. I cannot answer your first question. I would advise everyone thinking about bringing a blade...don't bring a knife to a gunfight.

1a. Absolutely. If someone pulls a knife on me, they can expect at a minimum one round center mass, and one round in the face. I was trained properly, I don't shoot to disable, I shoot to stop the threat. Dead stops the threat.

2. That's simply asinine. As a legal gun owner, I cannot leave the scene...go home and retrieve a weapon, then return and shoot. That would be against the law....since I am no longer in immediate danger.

3. I have a number of firearms. They have all been legally obtained, and in particular situations, carried... My favorites...in order of preference are...

1- 2 shot .38 caliber derringer
2- .45 ACP, carry model...with bobbed edges and a nice light trigger pull
3- .45 ACP, full size

4. I cannot answer this question.

5. I resolve threats to my person in a way that is appropriate. If there are no weapons, I will have no weapon. If there is a knife...I will go one step up. I don't carry knives because you have to be very skilled with a blade to keep it during a fight. I do carry a handgun on occasion, my skills are up to par with that weapon.

6. No.

7. Irrational affect? What is irrational about telling someone obviously trying to blindside me...that may be carrying a weapon, where he stands...? I can't show it to people while carrying it concealed...that is called brandishing...and gets you in a bit of trouble. A firm warning was all he got. IF he pulled the knife, yes, I would have shot him in the face. Popped him in the face...I'm using those terms interchangably. Yes, I do tend to get pissed off when confronted by pussies that will do nothing unless your back is turned. There wasn't a man among the entire bunch of them.

That just about do it?

If you respect law enforcement like Gilchrist says he does, well let's look at what the officer said to me. He said that both sides, you guys(Minutemen and SOS) and those who protest against you are being knuckleheads. And he said that both you and the other guy were responsible for the incident in that you two did not back off. You stayed and yelled to further drive up the tension. It looked like you were trying to show them who's boss by saying "you're a f***ing bitch!" Are you trying to defend yourself or retaliate with anger and profanity. Because those things don't mix.

Anyways, the officer said you two could have been hauled to jail and he said he'd let the judge/court decide.

Thanks for increasing the hostility and hatred in our community in Lake Forest, which is exactly one of the criticisms I have about the whole Gilchrist/MM/SOS thing. I hope you're proud.

If the cops did their jobs, and the gov't did their jobs...

Those people wouldn't be there. We wouldn't be there.

We're gonna keep going until they're gone.

Speaking for myself alone here, I'm tired of your (collective, not specifically you) crap. I'm not just going to listen to your (collective, not specifically you) crap anymore. Now you're (collective, not specifically you) going to listen to my crap.

If you hassle a woman, you're gonna hear it.
If you hassle an elderly person, you're gonna hear it.
You start with the coconut shit, you're gonna hear it.

I'm done being nice and listening. What did you (collective, not specifically you) expect? This is what you wanted, right? A response...? We were nice for too long, again...in my opinion. Think it's time you (collective, not specifically you) got some back. See how you like the taste. So, suck it up and take a bite...

And, yes. I am very proud of myself and the people I stand with.

Dear 1 Inch:

Thanks for your candid answers to my interview questions. I feel that I have a much better understanding now of your intentions, if not your inner motivations and the root cause of your rage, which surely isn't Mexicans standing on a street corner. But perhaps you can reveal that in a future interview?

Also, it's interesting that you think that my interview with Mr. Gilchrist, who claims that he (the Minuteman Project) has 240 million supporters, even though he can't get elected in the most conservative county in the USA, gave out inaccurate information. If it did, surely you realize that the only one to blame for that is Mr. Gilchrist, speaking in his own words and of his own free will.

Sincerely,
John Earl
http://www.ocorganizer.com

No problem. Keep in mind, though that this is a war.

A critical weapon of war is disinformation.

You may only now know what I want you to know...could have pulled all that outta my ass.

;)

Some on the Minuteman side may see it as a war, like those CCIR meetings would have people see it as. And some from the other side surely see it as survival. I saw the issue of survival even back during the time of the Sept. 24th Laguna rally last year. It's really a wonder why I stayed involved any longer after that.

Anyways, I find this war mentality concerning.

Jon Earl when monkeys fly out his butt. No more questions.

is 1inchgroup your lapdog? i am just asking.

IN a message 1inchgroup posted here earlier, he admits that he owns three metal penises. Do you suppose this is a way for 1inchgroup to compensate for the lack of a having a real fleshy penis? Maybe 1inchgroup has had several bad sexual experiences with "day laborers" in the past. Perhaps one of them "yanked his chain" the wrong way and he's seeking revenge?


1inchgroup writes:

3. I have a number of firearms. They have all been legally obtained, and in particular situations, carried... My favorites...in order of preference are...

1- 2 shot .38 caliber derringer
2- .45 ACP, carry model...with bobbed edges and a nice light trigger pull
3- .45 ACP, full size

How in the HELL does anyone get a concealed weapons permit in California? I didn't think it was possible unless it was law enforcement.

the OC Sheriff hands out CCW permits like candy!!!!

pay attention here:
Even with a permit, you may not carry a concealed handgun in the following areas:
- Any law enforcement or correctional facility;

- Any space occupied by state or federal employees;

- A financial institution;

- Any premises where the carrying of a concealed handgun is prohibited by the posting of a statement by the controller of the premises;

- Educational property;

- Areas of assemblies, parades, funerals, or demonstrations;

See this link:
http://www.co.orange.nc.us/sheriff/concealed_handgun_permits.htm

"Also, it's interesting that you think that my interview with Mr. Gilchrist, who claims that he (the Minuteman Project) has 240 million supporters, even though he can't get elected in the most conservative county in the USA, gave out inaccurate information. If it did, surely you realize that the only one to blame for that is Mr. Gilchrist, speaking in his own words and of his own free will."

Jim Gilchrist (I/(R))*, had a few months to get on the campaign trail, and drum up support. He was a hopeful, but a long shot. He ran on only one district, and in a special election, that was hurriedly thrown together. In his district, and in the special election, only 25 percent of the voters came out. He got 25 percent or the votes, or about 7 percent of the district. But, that was only one district.

He ran as an Independent. His platform was illegal-immigration, which addresses illegal-immigraion, health care, prisons, education, homeland security, and the border.

Nation-wide Jim Gilchrist, would have a greater number of votes, state-wide a lesser number, county-wide less, in one district a smaller number, but again it was a hastily assembled campaign, in a special election.

Jim Gilchrist, continues to gain greater recognition, and more supporters, and more votes, so that in a regular election, he may get more voters in greater turnout. County-wide even better, State-wide more better, Nation-wide more votes.

* Jim Gilchrist is a Republican, but he had to run as an Idependent to get on the ballot.

240 million supporters Nation-wide, unable to vote in local elections.

BR

Hmm. Nope, I told you what my three favorites were. Never said how many I had. Also said I could have pulled it all out of my ass. How much personal information do you think I'd spill all over the enemy's site? Dah.

Also, you guys seem to be unnaturally fascinated by penii. Good luck with that.

I signed up on some AIP candidate's list, and they wouldn't take me off. The AIP is, basically, the extremist far-right party. They're into the whole "God and Country" idea. Creeping fascists, iMnShO.

Here's a quote from their website:

We claim, second to worshiping God, that our greatest responsibility as Americans is vigilance in protecting our God-given Constitution and rights, both for ourselves and our posterity.

Ohhhhh keeeeee. I think they forgot to include the part about "divine right of the President, as selected by God."

Since when did the CHURCH become the fourth estate? Should we elevate Gilchrist to the title of Ayatollah or "His Lordship"?

This also happened last Saturday in Lake Forest. A Gilchrist Minuteman basically told me that I'm a "traitor" because I don't like Gilchrist.

http://media.putfile.com/Minuteman-says-Im-a-traitor

On a side note but related to Lake Forest, some on the Minuteman side were defending the arrest of Coyote in that Costa Mesa city council meeting. They may say they're all nice and proper. But if that argument comes again, I have a clip of a Minuteman who very loudly interrupted a girl who was speaking at a Lake Forest city council meeting. He was escorted out by an officer.

these crazy ideas?

hat all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Not many men have the guts to walk into a crowd of hostile like that.

Notice how he elbows the guy who shoves him.

Obviously he is professionally trained in martial arts.

Yes that weapon he had: obviously a master of cigaret-jitsu.

I was watching pbs and Gilchirst was interview about his candidacy the interviewer asked him about Global Warming and his answer was it was God doing. I was laughing out loud because he has no clue about it.

Jim Gilchrist>> I prefer to think that the global warming issue really is more of an act of God than an act of man. It might rise another degree over a century, but then it might go back for the next century after that by two degrees. I think it's self-adjusting. I think it's something that has occurred over eternity.

reveal that he is most likely a current or former law enforcment officer.

He was marine sharpshooter, thus the nick name "one inch group.' He fought in the Gulf War. He does not post under aliases.

He has never joined Minumten Project, which would require a background check.

He, and not the more visable Old Preach started Save Our State with Joe Turner.

A lot more action happened there today. Ken Mock was there was a large "Let Them Work" sign. He's the guy who emailed me his account of his encounter with Gilchrist, when he was called an "Anarchist." Others were there too.

Some eggs were thrown at the Minuteman participants, which I'd rather not happen.

One of the Minuteman participants pushed Naui, which I saw and don't condone either.

I spoke with a nice lady who supports the workers and she came back with some water and food for the workers, which was greatly appreciated and eagerly recieved.

I spoke some more with the workers, with Naui translating for me, and some more understanding resulted. They still call me "Zorro" which is pretty cool, because I wore a bandana over my face one day a while back when I was an "American Observer" with the Minuteman participants.

Speaking of which, that was way back when I wanted no more part in blocking poor workers from getting much needed work and made in clear. I've had this issue with the Minutemen for roughly the past 5 months.

Today I explained all that and I'm confident they understand me better. I think one of them said "you're one of us now." I was honored that while they seemed to need the food the lady provided, one guy still handed me an orange. I still have it here on my desk top.

The Progressive Democrat guy was there again with his American flag. Right on with that, right on.

Not sure if the Minutemen will be back next Saturday. They probably didn't expect the opposition they got today. But if they'll return on Saturday, I'll likely be there.

I'll prepare some photos and footage of today.

Hope you didn't pay too much for that investigation. It's faulty. :)

I won't fix the misconceptions in the interest of chaos...but calling me a sharpshooter is an insult. I'm a goddamn surgeon.

A surgeon who turned away for a bit and lost his jacket and cellphone. Real sharp for a surgeon.

Bought that jacket in the early 90's, chump.

About the best leather your hands will ever touch.

By the way...your video shows everything but the theft. Edit it out to protect one of those innocent felons?

Hmmm?

Ha, you wish I did just so you can say I did. If I had that on tape, I'd have went straight to the Lake Forest PD with it regardless of who's items were stolen. I even wanted the police to go and assist you while I wait, on the principle that a theft had taken place. What took a while is that the officer wanted me to translate for him to speak to one of the guys you were arguing with. But I didn't realize that until later and it was an honest misunderstanding. Anyways, if you want I can show all the footage directly from my Mini DV tape to Border Raven or someone else next time to show that I don't have the theft on tape.

1inchgroup and Jammer CC sound like a couple. can you guys kiss and make up?

Is he up for it?

There you go again....you guys and your fascination with penises. Don't you know those are for girls?

If you're lucky, maybe I'll make you my bitch this weekend.

Enjoying your 15 minutes of fame?

Time: 14:58

....here's why.

1) he's a dumbass; and
2) no surgeon who performs delicate and intricate procedures on his patients would subject his hands to the brutal recoil forces produced by a stainles steel framed .45 caliber ACP. 1 Inch Cock has admitted two owning two of these firearms. Shooting such firearms , over time, would cause damage to the ligaments and tendons of said "surgeons" hands, impairing the ability to perforn surguries, and thus ending his career.

That's mild.
Try a .44 mag.
Ask him the name of the dual serpent staff.
My grand father was a surgeon.

If this 1inchgroup is an adept at martial arts, the delicate sensory and dexterity of his hands would suffer and degrade his ability to perform surgery.
At least the forms I have studied with the exception of Ken-Jitsu or Bo-Jitsu.

not too bright

the surgeon reference meant he's more accurate than the 1 inch group

as far as I could tell..

now don't shoot me if I'm wrong !

Yeah careful, he may shoot us in the "f***ing face" and pass it off as patriotism.

You don't want to mess with her, trust me. She is fighting to defend her 'hood and her homies.

BR

"Which eye do you favor, the right or left? I want to know, so when I shoot you, you'll see it coming, even if for a brief moment, as it will be the last perception passing through your optic nerve."

a surgeon

http://www.sniper.ws/04%20April%20urban%20sniper%20training%202.JPG

OK Mr. Bad.
Are you now saying you are a SNIPER?
What next? Soon you'll be Delta force?
Wasn't being a surgeon good enough?
Much laughter @ this end. Keep it going.
Ha ha ha ha

So what you are saying is that you have a propensity for being a lying sackOshit.
I get it now ha ha ha ha
I must remember to bring goulashes to the next SOS demonstration.
Since the tide of crap seems to be rising.
Are you an example of the intellectual might of the cretins who can't seem to figure out who the enemy is?
You can always go kick a stray dog to death if it's not too large or healthy.

Hey we're not the ones who lost a leather jacket and a cellphone hahahahahahaha. What else did you lose? Good thing your wallet wasn't in the jacket. Or was it? If so, you drove the truck without a license. Not to mention you parked at a red curb. Of course that was after you pulled up on the sidewalk corner right in front of a few day labor workers, looking like you were trying to hint at running them over.

You may act as if you don't like posting here but really, you're a star now. You keep coming back and acting your part. Trying to be some bald badass with a cigarette in his mouth. You walk around your truck and drop your jacket on the truck bed thinking it was such a badass move. Then it gets stolen hahahaha. If Debbie wasn't in the truck, your truck may have been gone too!

My property wasn't lost. It was stolen, by criminals. Nails were put in people's tires, by criminals. My vehicle would have been stolen too, you say? Even you admit they're a bunch of criminals...and you support them. If that doesn't get you nominated for douchebag of the year, I'm not sure what will.

Tires can be patched, and jackets can be replaced. The damage you've done to the public's perception of you (Inclusive, not specifically you) and those criminals you support is not repairable.

The damage done to Law Enforcement's perception of you and those criminals you support is not repairable.

Ding. Fries are done.

MMP / SOS 80
Weirdo hairyarmpitted women 0

Double or nothing?

Well seriously I actually doubt they would have taken your truck. Also, who's to say it was a day labor worker who stole your jacket? Yes it was stolen, and that in itself is a loss for you. Even if it was a day labor worker, that's just one person making that choice out of many. You'll see that in populations everywhere, if you want to distinguish between class, race, location, whatever.

The perception the Lake Forest police have of us is that both sides are being "knuckleheads." The officer told me that personally. And you were also very CLOSE to being hauled off to jail. Count your lucky stars. And he also said I sound educated, so I'm not worried about their perception of me personally.

As for us being nothing without you guys. Well alright, then you and the rest of the MM/SOS folks are nothing without the day labor workers. So there. You folks are obsessed with this. We're saying let the workers work.

When I referred to the "knuckleheads" comment from the LF police officer, he was referring to the Minutemen and their folks and those who protest against them. Not to day labor workers.