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CCIR welcomes Costa Mesa mayor to their next meeting

by Jammer CC Monday, Jan. 09, 2006 at 1:05 PM

The CCIR welcomes Costa Mesa mayor Allan Mansoor to their next meeting.

http://www.ccir.net/MEETINGS/060125.html

MEETING DATE: Wednesday, January 25, 2006

Apparently the mayor of Costa Mesa will be a guest at the next CCIR meeting. It's not known for sure at this time(at least by me) if Mansoor will be speaking at the meeting. Nor is it known(again, at least by me) if he has made or is planning on making an affiliation or otherwise supportive relationship with the likes of the CCIR, Jim Gilchrist, or anyone else affiliated with them.

Anyone attending the meeting with a video camera or audio recording device(like say, Watchdog) is requested to make a recording and provide footage or audio for people to see/hear.

CCIR leader Barbara Coe, along with Jim Gilchrist and a number of their supporters, demonstrated at the last city council meeting in Costa Mesa in support of Mayor Allan Mansoor on Jan. 3rd, 2006.

Will Mansoor join the ranks of the CCIR and Minuteman Project? Will even his presence at the CCIR meeting be at odds with those who demonstrated against him in Costa Mesa on Jan. 3rd, 2006? Time will tell.
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they don't have to the sense to be

by Border Raven Monday, Jan. 09, 2006 at 7:01 PM

There is areason auto insurrance companies, pay lower rates to adults over 25 years of age -- brain development and maturity.



Teenage Brain: A work in progress

A brief overview of research into brain development during adolescence.

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/publicat/teenbrain.cfm

Making Connections:

How Children Learn

http://www.ed.gov/pubs/ReadWithMe/makconn.html

Wired! Wired for Action

http://www.pfizer.com/brain/etour3.html

http://home.iprimus.com.au/rboon/StagesofBrainDevelopment.htm



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poor dweeb

by what? Monday, Jan. 09, 2006 at 9:34 PM

> Mexicans have no tradition of democracy
Didn't they outlaw slavery before the USA?

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There is still slavery in Mexico

by mexican Monday, Jan. 09, 2006 at 10:13 PM

Ask any campesino in the Mexicali Valley.

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Regarding this Call to Action

by johnk Monday, Jan. 09, 2006 at 11:31 PM

He's a politician trying to get some votes. He probably won't join the group.

Also, CC, WRT to border issues, you're an opponent of most of the groups that consider imc to be their news source. Why would they heed your alert?

They are opposed to Mansoor and Costa Mesa's position even if he won't join the fascists. Even if he denounced the CCIR, they'd be opposed to CM and him, strictly on policy grounds. Some might even personally *like* the guy and other councilmembers, but, would oppose for policy reasons.

(FYI - by the time alerts go up on IMC, almost all of them have been discussed by groups of people committed to the action.)

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Sorry

by TheWatchdog Tuesday, Jan. 10, 2006 at 12:08 AM

I'll attend the meeting but I won't be videotaping it.

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reply

by Jammer CC Tuesday, Jan. 10, 2006 at 2:01 AM

I wasn't tryinng to call for action or a protest. I would never in my life call for a "riot." I thought this would be interested to people involved or observing the events in Costa Mesa.

I would however advise mayor Mansoor to reconsider before attening a CCIR meeting. Especially as a publically announced guest. Some say CCIR is a hate group. I wasn't at the last meeting, but was at the two meetings before the last. Looking under a layer or two, I do see some symptoms of a hate-like collective.

If a public official is making policy involving immigration against immigration laws, working with the likes of Jim Gilchrist or the CCIR should not be a requirement. Infact, I would highly recomend against it.

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by Jammer CC Tuesday, Jan. 10, 2006 at 2:20 AM

Due to the past protest events in Garden Grove and the complications of the Theresa Dang trial, I would not recomend anyone go to the CCIR meeting to protest this month.

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To Jammer

by Hola Colored Amigo V Tuesday, Jan. 10, 2006 at 3:54 AM

If there is any type of trouble at Costa Mesa - Jammer should be held liable.

The Police Department reviews this website. Information about jammer has been forwarded.

Hopefully, Jammer will get the slammer for his yammer.

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reply

by Jammer CC Tuesday, Jan. 10, 2006 at 3:56 AM

Ain't gonna happen. Anyone could have found out about Mansoor being a guest at the CCIR meeting. I just brought it here sooner. And I didn't call for a protest, nor would I collaborate such an effort in the particular groups who oppose the CCIR. Anyone who actually protests onsite at the CCIR meeting is doing on his/her own free will. Sorry, try again.

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A protest will only give CCIR more press

by Think tactics that work Tuesday, Jan. 10, 2006 at 4:42 AM

Better to send some one undercover to monitor their plans.

It's time not to stop playing into Jim & Joe's publicity stunts.

Think tactics that work.

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I know there is NO way SOS would have

by SOS Tuesday, Jan. 10, 2006 at 6:53 AM

gotten this much media on one year without you guys. Thanks

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ISN

by johnk Tuesday, Jan. 10, 2006 at 7:21 AM

If people are interested in an activist perspective about immigration, there's a site that a local activist runs:

http://www.immigrantsolidarity.org/

Siu Hin's good at keeping up on immigrant policy news and solidarity actions. Maybe some ideas will come from that. I'm reading the page about the Sensenbrenner/King bill.

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Media

by Muggs Tuesday, Jan. 10, 2006 at 7:35 AM

SOS says "I know there is NO way SOS would have

gotten this much media on one year without you guys. Thanks"

The Minutemen in Arizona got all kinds of positive media attention with almost no opposition.

With headlines like "Few Drawn to llegal Immigration Protest" on the Drudge Report yesterday how can you guys pretend that is positive media?

Drudge is a right-winger who would love to get behind a group like SOS but the world now knows you guys are losers.

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Senssenbrenner Bill

by guess Tuesday, Jan. 10, 2006 at 7:35 AM

I just read some annoying information. Grace Napolitano, who represents part of East LA, Bell Gardens, Montebello, Pico Rivera, La Puente, and Pomona, who is in a Civil Rights protected district (that is, a minority-majority district), didn't vote on this bill. I had to write a letter to her, on her web page:

I just read up on the votes for H.R. 4437. I see that you were not voting against it. Please, in the future, vote against this and similar bills that erode our freedoms and attack immigrants. This bill was a double whammy against us. Your colleague, Solis, in an adjacent district, did her job and voted against it.

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A Protest is Needed

by PROTEST Wednesday, Jan. 11, 2006 at 10:51 AM

Jammer you are wrong, wrong, wrong. We need to protest! As a matter of fact we need a big protest, EVERYONE should be at this protest because this is no longer an issue that only concerns day laborers but this has now become an issue of racial profiling, racist policy and about preserving our civil rights! The issue of immigration police and Jim Crow Laws has officially moved me over from spectator to activist and I will not be denyed my 1st Amendment Rights!

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Well

by Confused Wednesday, Jan. 11, 2006 at 4:00 PM
na na na

I read this

" just read up on the votes for H.R. 4437. I see that you were not voting against it. Please, in the future, vote against this and similar bills that erode our freedoms and attack immigrants. This bill was a double whammy against us. Your colleague, Solis, in an adjacent district, did her job and voted against it."

This is no suprise. When Congressman does not feel stong enough ( or agrees) on an issue that there party may or may not oppose they avoid the vote.

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Not about racial profiling, about Laws on the books

by Border Raven Wednesday, Jan. 11, 2006 at 4:01 PM

CALIFORNIA CODES

PENAL CODE

834b. (a) Every law enforcement agency in California shall fully cooperate with the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service regarding any person who is arrested if he or she is suspected of being present in the United States in violation of

federal immigration laws.

(b) With respect to any such person who is arrested, and suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws, every law enforcement agency shall do the following:

(1) Attempt to verify the legal status of such person as a citizen of the United States, an alien lawfully admitted as a permanent resident, an alien lawfully admitted for a temporary period of time or as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of

immigration laws. The verification process may include, but shall not be limited to, questioning the person regarding his or her date and place of birth, and entry into the United States, and demanding

documentation to indicate his or her legal status.

(2) Notify the person of his or her apparent status as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws and inform him or her that, apart from any criminal justice proceedings, he or she must either obtain legal status or leave the United States.

(3) Notify the Attorney General of California and the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service of the apparent illegal status and provide any additional information that may be requested

by any other public entity.

(c) Any legislative, administrative, or other action by a city, county, or other legally authorized local governmental entity with jurisdictional boundaries, or by a law enforcement agency, to prevent or limit the cooperation required by subdivision (a) is expressly

prohibited.

STOP SPECIAL ORDER 40



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Is the Mayor a Republican?

by Fredric L. Rice Wednesday, Jan. 11, 2006 at 6:06 PM
frice@skeptictank.org

I'd expect a Republican Mayor to go to Nazi rallies -- is this Mayer a Republican?

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Re: Not about racial profiling, about Laws on the books

by dhs Wednesday, Jan. 11, 2006 at 7:01 PM

Border Raven says "Not about racial profiling, about Laws on the books"

Since when is there a difference?

But NJ highway patrol said the same thing and they were wrong, too. small miracle, small hope.

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Not about racial profiling, about Laws on the books

by Border Raven Thursday, Jan. 12, 2006 at 4:46 PM

CALIFORNIA CODES

PENAL CODE

13519.4. (a) The commission shall develop and disseminate guidelines and training for all law enforcement officers in California as described in subdivision (a) of Section 13510 and who adhere to the standards approved by the commission, on the racial and cultural differences among the residents of this state. The course or courses of instruction and the guidelines shall stress understanding and respect for racial and cultural differences, and development of effective, noncombative methods of carrying out law

enforcement duties in a racially and culturally diverse environment.

(b) The course of basic training for law enforcement officers shall include adequate instruction on racial and cultural diversity in order to foster mutual respect and cooperation between law enforcement and members of all racial and cultural groups. In

developing the training, the commission shall consult with appropriate groups and individuals having an interest and expertise in the field of cultural awareness and diversity.

(c) For the purposes of this section the following shall apply:

(1) "Disability," "gender," "nationality," "religion," and "sexual orientation" have the same meaning as in Section 422.55.

(2) "Culturally diverse" and "cultural diversity" include, but are not limited to, disability, gender, nationality, religion, and sexual orientation issues.

(3) "Racial" has the same meaning as "race or ethnicity" in Section 422.55.

(d) The Legislature finds and declares as follows:

(1) Racial profiling is a practice that presents a great danger to the fundamental principles of a democratic society. It is abhorrent and cannot be tolerated.

(2) Motorists who have been stopped by the police for no reason other than the color of their skin or their apparent nationality or ethnicity are the victims of discriminatory practices.

(3) It is the intent of the Legislature in enacting the changes to Section 13519.4 of the Penal Code made by the act that added this subdivision that more than additional training is required to address the pernicious practice of racial profiling and that enactment of this bill is in no way dispositive of the issue of how the state should deal with racial profiling.

(4) The working men and women in California law enforcement risk their lives every day. The people of California greatly appreciate the hard work and dedication of law enforcement officers in protecting public safety. The good name of these officers should not be tarnished by the actions of those few who commit discriminatory practices.

(e) "Racial profiling," for purposes of this section, is the practice of detaining a suspect based on a broad set of criteria which casts suspicion on an entire class of people without any individualized suspicion of the particular person being stopped.

(f) A law enforcement officer shall not engage in racial profiling.

(g) Every law enforcement officer in this state shall participate in expanded training as prescribed and certified by the Commission on Peace Officers Standards and Training.

(h) The curriculum shall utilize the Tools for Tolerance for Law Enforcement Professionals framework and shall include and examine the

patterns, practices, and protocols that make up racial profiling. This training shall prescribe patterns, practices, and protocols that prevent racial profiling. In developing the training, the commission shall consult with appropriate groups and individuals having an interest and expertise in the field of racial profiling.

The course of instruction shall include, but not be limited to, adequate consideration of each of the following subjects:

(1) Identification of key indices and perspectives that make up cultural differences among residents in a local community.

(2) Negative impact of biases, prejudices, and stereotyping on effective law enforcement, including examination of how historical perceptions of discriminatory enforcement practices have harmed

police-community relations.

(3) The history and the role of the civil rights movement and struggles and their impact on law enforcement.

(4) Specific obligations of officers in preventing, reporting, and responding to discriminatory or biased practices by fellow officers.

(5) Perspectives of diverse, local constituency groups and experts on particular cultural and police-community relations issues in a local area.

(i) Once the initial basic training is completed, each law enforcement officer in California as described in subdivision (a) of Section 13510 who adheres to the standards approved by the commission

shall be required to complete a refresher course every five years thereafter, or on a more frequent basis if deemed necessary, in order to keep current with changing racial and cultural trends.

(j) The Legislative Analyst shall conduct a study of the data being voluntarily collected by those jurisdictions that have instituted a program of data collection with regard to racial profiling, including, but not limited to, the California Highway Patrol, the City of San Jose, and the City of San Diego, both to

ascertain the incidence of racial profiling and whether data collection serves to address and prevent such practices, as well as to assess the value and efficacy of the training herein prescribed with respect to preventing local profiling. The Legislative Analyst

may prescribe the manner in which the data is to be submitted and may request that police agencies collecting such data submit it in the requested manner. The Legislative Analyst shall provide to the

Legislature a report and recommendations with regard to racial profiling by July 1, 2002.

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Re:Is the Mayor a Rebublican?

by Richard Friday, Jan. 13, 2006 at 1:40 AM

Frederic:

Equating the republican to the Nazi party is patently absurd and is one reason why the republican party is doing a lot better than the democrat party.

Left wingers are constantly trying to paint the most extreme portrait of the republican party and calling them nazis is certainly swinging for the fence. About 43% of the American voting public is registered republican. My home town is about 80% republican and if you think republicans act like nazis you should go to the library and look up what the nazis s did. Because you are totally clueless of history if you make such a stupid comparison.

To most left wingers anyone who disagrees with the left on any subject is labelled a nazi. (All white conservatives are also considered racists, but I digress) Calling 40% of America nazis is a tactic only the left could dream up. The implied statement is "I will call you a racist until you agree with me."

Keep calling me and every Conservative American a Nazi, Frederic . Most Americans know what a load of crap that is and when they hear you and yours saying it they will stop listening to anything else you guys might say. So keep it up, it will help conservatives more than anything else you could do. And its a good measurement of your reasoning skills and grasp of history.

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"We call things racism just to get attention.

by Morleigh Friday, Jan. 13, 2006 at 1:45 AM

"We call things racism just to get attention. We reduce complicated problems to racism, not because it is racism, but because it works."

--- Alfredo Gutierrez, political consultant, as quoted by Richard de Uriarte, The Phoenix Gazette, March 14, 1992 (quoted in The ProEnglish Advocate, 1st quarter, 2002).

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Mayor Mansoor

by rasicm Friday, Jan. 13, 2006 at 6:29 AM

Mayor Mansoors policy is tantamount to reinstating Jim Crow laws. I can't beleive that in 2006 this type of RACISM still exists. Don't dilute yourselves, it IS racisim and to many "Mayor Mansoor is just a good 'ol boy trying to set things right." "Come on boys lets go git dem mesicans and have ourselves a good 'ol fashion bar-b-que, yeeehaaawww!"

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What utter stupidity

by Fredric L. Rice Friday, Jan. 13, 2006 at 8:02 PM
frice@skeptictank.org

> Equating the republican to the Nazi party

> is patently absurd

Looks like someone is a FOX "News" Syndrome victim and hasn't noticed this fascist regime's crimes against humanity and treason, all of which is indistinguishable from that committed in Nazi Germany.

Bush Republicanism is Nazism, right down to this fascist regime's "USA PATRIOT Act" being a mirror copy of Germany's "Enabeling Act."

Trying to pretend Repoublicanism isn't fascism is pretty silly. Only a FOX "News" Syndrome victim would believe such a silly notion.

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Freddy

by Scorpio Friday, Jan. 13, 2006 at 10:19 PM

You said: "...this fascist regime's crimes against humanity and treason, all of which is indistinguishable from that committed in Nazi Germany. "

Yeah... especially all those camps all over the country where we've been gassing millions of people to death. And lets not forget about the US gov't Super Race (Uberman) Project. And I can't tell you how many times the US Gestapo has kicked in my front door looking for spies. Yep.... you really have to be careful these days in the USA...

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Re: Well

by johnk Friday, Jan. 13, 2006 at 10:52 PM

>This is no suprise. When Congressman does not feel stong enough ( or agrees) on an issue that there party may or may not oppose they avoid the vote.

She agrees with my position, and has voted in the pro-immigration direction before. Also, I think most of her constituency agrees. All that happened was that she didn't vote for some reason.

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Fascism

by johnk Friday, Jan. 13, 2006 at 11:05 PM

There was also fascism in Spain and Italy, and they didn't have death camps. They did have a police state, a strong national identity, chosen corporations/cronyism. What they had that we don't yet have are organized street gangs (aka, patrols) and control over the police.

As for your comment about police harrassment... you're posting to a site that's part of a network that's been raided by the FBI a few times. A fascist police don't go after police apologists and defenders of the right wing -- they go after leftists.

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Also, the fascist party

by j the weatherman Friday, Jan. 13, 2006 at 11:18 PM

There also isn't a strong, explicity fascist party. The fascist party in America is the American Independent Party, which ran Gilchrist in OC. I think their platform Fascist, with an American bent to it.

Right now, I think the Libertarian Party, which is not fascist, but is a capitalist party, is still more influential over the GOP. With this war, however, their fortunes have shrunken considerably, and AIP opportunism can bear (strange) fruit.

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AIP

by El Chivo Friday, Jan. 13, 2006 at 11:58 PM

Dont for get the American Independent Party aka the Constitution Party is also John Birch Society.

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johnk - Free Sppech Fascist

by Scorpio Saturday, Jan. 14, 2006 at 12:18 AM

You like to entertain the fantasy that you live in a fascist police state because doing so supports your pathetic and self destructive 'victim status'. Your problem isn't the country you live in. Your problem is your belief that you're a victim. Get over yourself.

By the way.... there is nothing 'fascist' about nationalism. The vast majority of countries in the world are fiercly nationalistic... that doesn't make them fascist.

As for IMC being raided by the FBI... Are you surprised? IMC has been a virtual fountain of seething hatred that sometimes borders on criminality, such as the not infrequent suggestions that the President be assasssinated. I have also seen quite a number of threads on various IMVC sites that explicitly attempt to incite violence against both people and property. Now, you can start babbling about free speech, and I agree that free speech needs to be protected, but you, johnk, as a known censor of this site, are the last guy who should open his mouth about free speech. The bottom line is that IMC and sites like it attract some seriously disturbed people who sometimes make serious threats. The Left has a well esatablished track record of actually committing violent acts, from arson (ELF) to physically attacking people. Given that, its not suprising that the FBI looks into these things on occasion. But that doesn't make this a fascist police state... it just means that you associate with with people who have absolutely no respect for the law or other people. If you hang out with criminals expect to have more contact with law enforcement.



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Frederic is proof America is free

by Richard Saturday, Jan. 14, 2006 at 1:40 AM

People like Frederic is proof that we live in a free society. Frederic can say anything he wants to about this country and nothing happens. He is free to call Bush a Nazi a racist a bigot AND NOTHING HAPPENS. In Nazi Germany you would have been shot, In many countries today like Cuba, China, North Korea Iran Mozambique you would likely disappear.

Thank you Frederic for showing us all the greatness of this country

Richard

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Hold on there

by johnk Saturday, Jan. 14, 2006 at 6:51 AM

I didn't say we're living in a fascist state. Fred said that.

In fact, I was involved in a discussion, and asserted not only that Bush isn't a fascist, but that what we're in right now isn't fascism.

The reason why the IMC gets subpoenad by the FBI relates mainly to the stuff posted on the newswire, and not anything the collectives do. I don't feel "victimized" by this. It was mentioned because, IMC is the not a website on which you could not convincingly argue that the state doesn't repress political spech, given that it has been visited by the police.

It's like trying to argue that there's no more racism in a room full of people from, say, Africa, Asia, or Native American reservations.

On to nationalism -- most nations are nationalistic because they are nations :-) American people aren't that nationalistic, except during war. In many countries, different groups were put into a single state, so people have tribal, ethnic, or regional allegiances. (Like in Iraq.) Consequently, most wars happening today are within a single country's borders, between ethnic or religious groups.

As for the ELF -- I don't agree with their tactics, but, it's notable that not a single person has perished or been injured by their arson activities. The ELF has done significant property damage, at no cost of human life.

The Right also has a long and rich history of arson and murder in the US, in case you didn't know. It's worse than the Left's. and they don't hesitate to enlist the support of the police.

And regarding hiding comments -- I report, then hide around 10-20 a week. The rest are hidden after someone else reports them via the buttons on each article. The primary censors on Indymedia, today, are the readers. Many (perhaps most) of the reported messages are by right wingers wishing to hide leftist messages. Those often do not get hidden (by me, at least). That is my editorial bias.

Maybe we should go toward a slashdot-like community moderation system.

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johnk, Hi!

by SD Saturday, Jan. 14, 2006 at 4:13 PM

What is slash-dot-like?

Wouldn't the problem be from a few dedicated IPs?

Wondering. Thank you.

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Woops! FOX "News" Syndrome

by Fredric L. Rice Saturday, Jan. 14, 2006 at 7:54 PM
frice@skeptictank.org

> Yeah... especially all those camps all over the

> country where we've been gassing millions of

> people to death.

Damn, the guy's got full blown FOX "News" Syndrome.

You _are_ aware that this baby killing fascist regime you defend has been and continues to commit war crime atrocities against humanity, right? Isn't your FOX "News" station at least showing you that much?

How about your Fuhrer's treason against America? Is FOX giving you any hint of that?

Jesus fucking H. Christ. Republicanism is fascism -- and all the good Germans come to the fascist regime's aid.

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Woops! Time to start thinking

by Fredric L. Rice Saturday, Jan. 14, 2006 at 7:59 PM
frice@skeptictank.org

> Frederic can say anything he wants

> to about this country

And you'll note that I'm not talking about "this country." I'm talking about the fascist baby killers that have hijacked the country. You'll also note that everything I saw about your Fuhrer and his baby killing monsters is 100% accurate, falsifiable, and undeniably evidenced.

I wonder if this FOX "News" Syndrome victim has been able to notice this brutal fascist reghime's "Free Speech Zones" and the terrorist "USA PATRIOT Act" which negated the U. S. Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Obviously not. Anyone who defends this fascist terrorist regime is incapable of reason. They're engaged in the same mindset that the people of Nazi Germany labored under when their own Fuhrer was doing everything this fascist regime's Fuhrer is doing now.

The Bush terrorists are guilty of the same war crime atrocities and crimes against humanity that Molosovitch was put in prison for.

Note that both war criminals are Christians.

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Freddie... Leftist Freak

by Scorpio Sunday, Jan. 15, 2006 at 12:35 AM

"brutal fascist reghime's ..."

I love it when guys like you rant like this. It tells me 2 things: First, you aren't living in reality. Second, you are suffering because of your own paranoid delusions.

I would normally suggest that someone like you is free to leave this 'brutal fascist reghime' but in your case I insist you stay. This will ensure your continued freak out for the entertainment of rational people.

Well done!

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Woops! Forgot to present evidence

by Fredric L. Rice Sunday, Jan. 15, 2006 at 12:39 AM
frice@skeptictank.org

> I love it when guys like you rant like this.

Translation: The rightard couldn't find anything wrong with what I posted. The rightard surrendered totally.

When you can find anything I post that's "sadly mistaken" or in any way inaccurate or unevidenced, do email me about it and let me know, won't you?

Thank you so much for your prompt assistence.

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Freddie... Lost in Space

by Scorpio Sunday, Jan. 15, 2006 at 1:43 AM

Mindless shills like you Freddie aren't about facts. You are about emotions, accusations and name calling.

But like I said, keep on keeping on because I and many others find the chemically stupid very entertaining!

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Translation: Total surrender

by Fredric L. Rice Tuesday, Jan. 17, 2006 at 8:06 PM
frice@skeptictank.org

> Mindless shills like you Freddie aren't about facts.

Woops! Your total surrender is noted.

The facts remain: This fascist baby killing regime is committing Christian crimes against humanity and treason against America, the regime's atrocities are equal to anything Molosovich and Saddam ever committed.

Now we see this brutal baby killing Christrian terrorist regime has slaughtered at least another 25 innocent people in Pakistan, with all the usual Christian terrorists -- every one of them white, of course -- proclaiming that slaughtering those innocent people was acceptable -- "gotta break egs to make an omlet."

The fact is that these white Christian Republican terrorists are slaughtering innocent childeren and babies because they have brown skin and worship the "wrong" gods. Oh yeah, and they also happen to be standing on this fascist terrorist regime's oil.

And another fact while we're dishing it out to the FOX "News" Syndrome victim: This brutal fascist regime could have had Osama bin Laden at any time it wanted. But he's a Saudi Arabian royal family member -- a business partner to this mass murdering Christian butcher who's still doing business with the Saudis even after 15 of the 19 people who attacked New York were Saudis.

Speaks volumes about Bush republicanism. It also speaks volumes about the majority of Christianity today.

We see a year and a half ago an eye-witness door-to-door study on the minimum and maximum likely number of innocent Iraqis slaughtered by this fascist regime and the most likely number at that time was 100,000. Since then this fascist terrorist regime has completely destroyed Falluja -- adding another 20,000 to 30,000 innocent brown people to Republicanized Christianity's bloody body count.

You want facts? You want specific news reports on your Fuhrer's crimes against humanity _and_ this regime's treason against America? Email me, clown. I'd be happy to rub your fucking face in what it is you support, applaud, and defend.

No charge. Call it a free public service I afford to all FOX "News" Syndrome rightards who have not a clue what their Fuhrer George W. Bush and the rest of his mass murdering terrorist baby killers are doing.

No offense intended, I'm sure.

My opinions only and only my opinions.

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by to Frederic L. Rice Wednesday, Jan. 18, 2006 at 12:19 AM

You always put the link to your web site on every comment. It's no better than advertising. Please refrain from doing so in the future. Thanks.

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by Fredric L. Rice Wednesday, Jan. 18, 2006 at 7:41 PM
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> Please refrain from doing so in the future.

Request denied.

If you would like to address the _issues_, please do so. I'd be happy to deunk you further.

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by pete nice Wednesday, Jan. 18, 2006 at 7:41 PM

Your link leads to a bunch of elmer fudd nonsense...

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"request denied"

by to Frederic L. Rice Wednesday, Jan. 18, 2006 at 9:09 PM

Then you are considered a spammer.

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Woops! COuldn't address the issues

by Fredric L. Rice Thursday, Jan. 19, 2006 at 7:38 PM
frice@skeptictank.org

Amusing. The rightard complains about how his intellectual and moral superiors are spammers and yet he can't address the issues. That's the SOSMM mentality right there, folks.

No wonder the clowns get out numbered and out witted every time they show their white faces.

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not one of them

by not one of them Thursday, Jan. 19, 2006 at 8:08 PM

I'm actually one of you, but am tired of your spam. Advertise your site elsewhere.

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Fredric L. Rice is a racist and a bigot

by Border Raven Thursday, Jan. 19, 2006 at 8:38 PM

"No wonder the clowns get out numbered and out witted every time they show their white faces."

Freddy, at least we aren't afraid to show our multicultural faces.

got a picture of your face?

show it or shove it.

what have you got to lose, punk?





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no, let's show your face

by johnny Thursday, Jan. 19, 2006 at 8:48 PM

no, let's show your ...
img_0269.jpg, image/jpeg, 480x640

Border Raven is so cool!!

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Ah, then you may begin at any time

by Fredric L. Rice Friday, Jan. 20, 2006 at 12:47 AM
frice@skeptictank.org

> Freddy, at least we aren't afraid to show our

> multicultural faces.

Huh. Then there must be some other reason why you don't.

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Oh. Yeah, I do.

by Fredric L. Rice Friday, Jan. 20, 2006 at 12:49 AM
frice@skeptictank.org

> got a picture of your face?

Why sure! Sweet Baby Jesus, pal, my photograph is all over the frocking place. Check out:

http://www.skeptictank.org/mine006.jpg

That's me! And yes, I'm 10 times the man you are. }:-}

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I'm 10 times the man you are?

by Border Raven Sunday, Jan. 22, 2006 at 4:59 AM

Really Freddy, then you will have a few other pictures, of you in different places.

faker

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Naui, What happened?

by Border Raven Friday, Jan. 27, 2006 at 7:40 AM

Naui, have you gone Hollywood?

I saw you on the news. You was at the CCIR meeting. It looked a bit conflicting.

BR





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