SOS has about 15-20 people on there side. And on our side we have about 140-150 people.

Were the workers _with_ the protestors?

Then they were protestors.

Mexica Movement RACISTS?

You ARE kidding.

After analyzing the photo evidence, conducting background and reference checks, we can recalculate the official number of non-racist SOS members in attendance. When the Nazis members and American racists are not included with the official number (as some seem to be requesting), SOS had ZERO people in attendance, so the event never even happened. Of course we can use the original count and give the radical racist organization credit for continuing their violent war against the workers of the world.

You are one of goons, Mimbreno.

I am confused. As an American, you don't sound very American. Isn't it YOUR philosophy and very justification for forming this country that….

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

It is funny that I don’t see anything in there about race, national origin, religion, or country of citizenship. It seems to say that ALL people are equal, with equal rights. Further, that everyone has a RIGHT to the pursuit of happiness, which REQUIRES the ability to sustain life. Since your country has DESTROYED the ability for Latin America to sustain life through 400 years of corruption, exploitation and oppression, then doesn’t it seem at all reasonable for those people to have a RIGHT to come here? And if your or your government doesn’t like it, doesn’t that same document say….

“That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

Got to love the American framers, huh…..

And Thomas Paine, one of the true leaders for independence, didn't he write:

"The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion."

See the trouble is, you racist pieces of trash are at your very core, un-American. But the comment above just drives home the point that I made above. Your group is, in its very essence, racist.

During these demos, day laborers will join the counter-protest, so they are legitimately counted. Also, this was openly a protest against the day laborer site, not Home Depot, as the SOS has always claimed. So all day laborers at the site should be counted.

Likewise, when anyone comes out for the MM side, even if they are supposedly "not with the MM", they are still part of that side.

It doesn't matter if you don't agree 100% with your allies, because, for the duration of the demo, you're on the same side.

I started my day, with an early morning visit to a few sites, beginning at 4:30am. I moved from one to the next.

I was at the Pomona site, early enough to see jornaleros, getting breakfast at the 7/11. I watched as about 30 jornaleros assembled outside the gate of the Pomona DLC.

I watched as Mike Nava, "Executive Director", dragged his roller-bag from his car to the gate of the DLC, unlocked and opened up the trailer, 6:00am, and turned on the lights, allowing the jornaleros, to go inside.

I saw the lights come on, in the parking lot, and the trash truck service the dumpsters, at 6:15 -6:20.

I was bored and tried, so I left to get breakfast and tried to sleep.

Around 7:30 -8:00am, I went to the Rancho Cucamonga DLC. I was there for a while, when who should arrive, but Mike Nava, with a van-full of jornaleros, having driven the 12 miles from Pomona to Rancho Cucamonga, crossing the San Bernardino County line, and four cities, with suspected illegal aliens.

This is Jammer CC, I'm on a computer at a different location. Brea to be exact. "Marvin" can confirm that. I just realized the name posted at the first reply. I did not make that reply, that wasn't me.

~real Jammer CC

"Mexica Movement RACISTS?

You ARE kidding. "

I didn't say that, someone replied using my Adbusters name. I rarely use the word "racist" to describe anyone unless I'm sure of it. Like say if the person blatantly says he/she is racist. Infact I don't think I've ever called anyone a racist in person in my life. As for referring to someone else, I don't remember because I'm extremely careful with that term.

A moderator please hide the first reply because that was not me.

~real Jammer CC

Jammer here. I'm at my home computer, if any moderator is able to detect that. The two replies above are me. The first one, which was hidden, was an impersonator. Thank you.

Like I said, I have not stated that the Mexica Movement is racist or not racist, whether by my opinion or in any way. Thanks.

The first problem with the idea that America is a propositional nation is this: what is the proposition? Ignoring answers invented on the spot without even pretence of historical justification, the most common answer is that it is,

"We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

The first problem with the claim that this is our national proposition is this: this is not the law of the land. These words come from the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution. One might as well say that America is founded on Tom Paine’s assertion in his pamphlet Common Sense, that "an island cannot rule a continent." Both these assertions may be true, they may be noble, they may have contributed to the subsequent founding of our country, but they are not law and are therefore not morally binding on Americans. The Constitution is the actual, legally-binding, law of the land, upon which our other laws, and thus the structure of our society, are based. It is the foundation of our nation, not the Declaration. The Declaration could have been followed by any number of constitutions, which would have established our society in any number of ways, proving that the Declaration itself does not establish the character of our society. It is even arguable that that the constitution that follows from the Declaration is the failed Articles of Confederation, and that America didn’t work until the ideology of the Declaration was at least partially rejected in the more conservative Constitution.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=1232

The declaration is actually citing a philosophy that is, at least in theory, the foundation for the constitution. It is a form of Natural law, which makes human rights self-evident. The framers tried to identify and official recognize these natural rights in the bill of rights. More importantly, it established a moral perimeter for the constitution. Any constitution would be justifiable, so long as it conformed to the natural rights identified in the declaration. In the case any law of the land did not conform to these natural rights, then the people were morally obligated to reject those laws, and overthrow the political body establishing them. In many ways, the declaration is more important then the constitution since it identified the very spirit of liberty and justice that empowered the people to revolt and establish a constitutionally limited government.