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Protest Merger of Costa Mesa PD and DHS TODAY

by Street Soldier Saturday, Dec. 24, 2005 at 7:27 PM
matlazinka@hotmail.com

please see below

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE-

March/Protest Against Costa Mesa's Decision to Deputize Police Officers

COSTA MESA, CA - On Friday, December 23, concerned citizens throughout Orange County will converge upon the Costa Mesa Police Department in protest of the City Council's decision to train city police to enforce immigration law. The measure was approved by the council on December 7, 2005. Costa Mesa will be the first United States city to merge police and immigration duties.

This measure raises concern among Mexicans, Central Americans, and other so-called Latinos. People with brown skin will be subject to racial profiling, based on appearance and surname. The measure will also erode relations between immigrants and police, as immigrants will fear reporting crimes. Furthermore, vigilantism may increase, as residents may attack and harass people that they perceive to be "illegal."

Police officers are not border patrol agents! All are invited to demand the repeal of the City Council's decision and prevent racial profiling and unfair attacks on Latinos in Costa Mesa.

WHEN: Friday, December 23, 2005

TIME/WHERE: March begins at 3PM at the corner of Bristol and Sunflower, near South Coast Plaza in Costa Mesa

Protest begins at 4:30 PM at the Costa Mesa Police Department located at 33 Fair Drive

For more information, e-mail matlazinka@hotmail.com

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Fear

by Pachuco Friday, Dec. 30, 2005 at 10:11 PM

Just like the wall, this is another manifestation of fear. What European man or woman can comfortably sleep knowing that the land they live on was stolen from the Indigenous by their ancestors and that one day the Indigenous will come to reclaim their land.

Combing through Latino neighborhoods is a last ditch effort to protect themselves from the restless natives of Abya Yala who are now the majority in the Americas.

Using the legal system does not mask its intent to subjugate the Latino community by intruding on their privacy and provoking hostilities to later justify dragnets and violence. What Immigration laws can someone break in Culo Mesa? There is no border to cross.

Next is war; they will militarize the border. They will send US citizens into Mexico to provoke violence then use it as a justification to take military action. The actions of Culo Mesa are a predecessor to keeping the Latino community controlled while the US wages war on Latin America.

What should we do? Vote. We can vote bills into law that will limit the xenophobic and their hostile actions. Not all white people are evil, and the ones that are should not be considered examples of all white people - they are a few, but they make life miserable for everyone else.
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Fear?

by Quizling Friday, Dec. 30, 2005 at 10:40 PM

So you're going to reclaim the "Stolen Land"?

How?

How is land stolen when there was no concept of ownership 500 years ago?

Got any other good rants ese?
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Ownership

by Pachuco Friday, Dec. 30, 2005 at 11:40 PM

You are trying to understand an indigenous concept with a European mindset, mein kumpel.
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Typical

by Quizling Saturday, Dec. 31, 2005 at 6:35 PM

I am indigenous to this region.
Can you speak without referencing Hitler?

Answer my question. Wandering bands of people who fought amonst themselves and some even had slaves that they had captured from wars with their neighbors and migrated from somewhere else originally also, how does that constitute stealing where another group came in and settled and built and invented systems for which many people of differing backgrounds could try and live together peacefully?

Now that that is covered let's jump back the 21st century (where most people) would rather live then back in wilderness of feudal societies.

The state is called California. It has rules and laws for those that reside in said state. If you want it back you'll haave to turn to violence to take it back. Is that what you're group advocates?
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Indigenous Continent

by Pachuco Saturday, Dec. 31, 2005 at 7:20 PM

What reference did I make to Hitler? You called me "ese" and I called you "mein kumpel" or my friend. You can dish out insults but can't take them.

Being nomadic doesn’t mean lacking territory. Some Arabs remain nomadic to this day; based on that, would you advocate that we take Arabia away from them?

The Aztec claimed to have come from Aztlan. From as far north as Washington, south to Tenochtitlan (Mexico City) and from the Pacific coast east to the Mississippi the most common language families are Uto-Aztec and Aztec-Tanoan – note the word Aztec.

DNA studies have shown that Mexican Aztecs and indigenous from northern Mexico share a 99.99% common ancestry with the Shoshonean, Comanche, Hopi, Paiute, Shoshone, and Ute and a 99.98% with the Cherokee, but share less with the Maya and Indigenous of South America.

Regarding ownership, Africa belongs to the African, India to the Indian, Asia to the Asian, Europe to the European and Abya Yala to us the first nations. We don’t want aliens coming here and trying to tell us what we can do or can’t do on our continents.

If you want to join us and acknowledge our right to determine our own destinies – welcome. If you don’t, then continue to vote for laws that are meant to suppress us and we will vote against them. We will use the system to regain control of our lives.
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Ese?

by Quizling Saturday, Dec. 31, 2005 at 8:20 PM

Ese an insult?

Mein = german = nazi = hitler.

Your genetic trace means nothing.

Illegal votes=0

Nice try.
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Genetics

by Pachuco Saturday, Dec. 31, 2005 at 9:45 PM

Mein = my, Kumpel = friend

Ese is in the familiar. You don't know me and in Spanish you do not address someone in the familiar unless you know him or her or the person is a child or subordinate, therefore the way you have used it is an insult.

Your reasoning is nothing more than American Exceptionalism. Just like the European once invaded Aztlan, so will the Indigenous – there is nothing we can do about that.
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So you're spanish?

by Quizling Sunday, Jan. 01, 2006 at 12:16 AM

There is no Aztlan. Thanks for the lesson in reasoning and the meanings behind Spanish etho's.

What will you do if I don't want to leave my home?
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Forgot

by Quizling Sunday, Jan. 01, 2006 at 12:23 AM

June 1967 guerrilla assault on the courthouse in Tierra Amarilla, New Mexico. During the two-hour assault, Tijerina and 150 terrorist thugs killed Deputy Sheriff Nicainor Saizan, pistol-whipped Undersheriff Dan Rivera, and shot 63-year-old jailer Eugolio Salazar. The Tijerina-led mob also took 20 local citizens hostage in the courthouse before fleeing town. Although Salazar survived the initial assault, he was beaten to death before he could testify at Tijerina's trial. With the jury and material witnesses intimidated by the possibility of another outbreak of violence, Tijerina -- who had shot Salazar point-blank in the face -- was given a two-year sentence, of which he served six months before being paroled.
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Take you shoes off and stay a spell . . .

by Pachuco Sunday, Jan. 01, 2006 at 6:39 PM

No one is asking you or anyone else to leave Aztlan. Aztlan is the Chicano philosophy of liberation from the oppression of racism by becoming educated and socially and politically active. The goal has always been to gain political representation so that we can dictate the course of our own destiny.

Aztlan is also the nickname that us Chicanos gave the Southwest. Our ancestors named every state in the Southwest and most of the major cities, we extend the right to name this land Aztlan and to over 40 million people this is Aztlan. Other countries acknowledge this as Aztlan as well.

If you wish, you can call Aztlan by the regional names of California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Utah (a Uto-Aztec name), Nevada, Colorado, Wyoming, Kansas and Oklahoma. Just remember that when we say Aztlan we mean the Southwest.
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Hoax Story

by Pachuco Sunday, Jan. 01, 2006 at 7:46 PM

That’s a hoax story put out by the Anties to create Xenophobia against Chicanos and Latinos.

The truth is that on June 5, 1967 a small group of 20 members from the Alianza raided a courthouse in Tierra Amarilla, the Rio Arriba county seat to arrest the DA for not enforcing the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo.

The raid on the courthouse resulted in a jailer and a state policeman being shot and wounded – none died, a reporter and a deputy sheriff were taken hostage but both escaped – no other hostages were taken.

Whether Reies López Tijerina knew of the raid or not is open to speculation. In any event, he was arrested and tried for crimes committed. He defended himself and won an acquittal for the courthouse incident.

Later, Federal attorneys pressed charges of conspiracy against López Tijerina and on November 6, 1967, he was acquitted of conspiracy charges, but convicted of two counts of assault stemming from an incident at the Echo Amphitheater and was sentenced to two years in prison and five years probation.

The Echo Amphitheater incident took place in October, 1966 when the Alianza took its first action to regain land grant rights by occupying Echo Amphitheater, part of a national forest and piece of a land grant.

The assault charges were for fires set at homes, hayracks and barns of Anglo ranchers on the disputed land grant. Only property was destroyed and no one was physically assaulted.
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Thanks for the offer but,

by Quizling Monday, Jan. 02, 2006 at 6:40 PM

This is my state and I call it California. This is my home, as it was my parents and their parents before them. The city I grew up in, was built over farmlands and dairies, by returning World War two veterans.

Who are the 40 million and the other nations that recoginize this land as Aztlan?

The old man did die from his injuries at the hands of those that pistol whipped him.

What are your thoughts of the archeological findings of caucasian attributes in the genic pool of the other tribal people in North America dating back over 7 thousand years? Spirit cave.

Anyway that isn't the point anymore. There are more people living in this state, then there were populating the north American continent 500 years ago.

How are the cultural and moral differences going to be settled peacefully? Today.
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Tijerina

by Pachuco Tuesday, Jan. 03, 2006 at 11:07 PM

I can’t find one reference to your statement that anyone died from that incident. Lopez-Tijerina was only charged with conspiracy for the courthouse incident and acquitted because no one could prove he was there.

From my research, no one died from any wounds in any of the two incidents that Lopez-Tijerina was accused of being at. If anyone had died, I’m sure the FBI would have pursued legal charges against Lopez-Tijerina, since they had him in custody for 2 yrs and in probation for an additional 3 yrs. The statute of limitations would not have been exhausted for yrs and, never being charge with murder, there would be no double jeopardy.

The Europeans that came to the Americas 5 kya have been incorporated into the Native blood lines or extinguished. My Native ancestors named all this area Aztlan before my European ancestors renamed California. But, that is not the point. The point is that we should respect the indigenous and stop trying to force our will on them.
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Looking..

by Quizling Wednesday, Jan. 04, 2006 at 5:02 AM

"Reies López Tijerina, began to stand up to developers who threatened to destroy their farmland and their way of life. Explosive battles erupted over water rights and land claims.

A sharecropper's son who began working as a migratory farmworker at the age of seven, Tijerina knew firsthand the plight of Chicanos in rural New Mexico. As a child, he was educated in more than twenty segregated schools as his family moved in search of farm work. He briefly served as a Pentacostal minister before he found his life calling: to restore the Spanish and Mexican land grants of New Mexico's Chicanos.

In 1963, he established the Alianza Federal de Mercedes (The Federal Alliance of Grants). By 1965, when his group had gained support from small ranchers and farmers whose use of national forest lands had been reduced, the Alianza claimed a membership of 20,000. The movement gained national attention when the Alianza occupied an amphitheater in Kit Carson National Forest and subsequently staged a raid on a county courthouse. In 1969, Tijerina was convicted of attempting a "citizen's arrest" of New Mexico's governor and the Chief Justice of the United States, Warren Burger. His larger goal was to create an "Indo-Hispano" movement, which would unite peoples of Indian and Mexican heritage."




I'm trying to dig up the report. I read that the deputy that was beaten in the court room was later beaten to death before he could testitfy in court against Reies.

Explain again about the Euro mix with native dissappearing.

Here's a very interesting link. It's very in the middle and defining. http://www.hfac.uh.edu/gl/mav3.htm

Still, the mythical Aztlan is nothing to those that have gone on before us. Chumash have no linguistic traits with meso american wanders. Still to this day, all the peoples off this land formed: in one way or another, their own cultural sects, differating themselves from each other.

The chicano/Mexica movement, is nothing more then a political power struggle for misperceived injustices.
A racial hedgomony over others and to instill a cult like system of obedience to one race.
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Aztlan

by Pachuco Wednesday, Jan. 04, 2006 at 6:01 PM

Quizling wrote: "I'm trying to dig up the report. I read that the deputy that was beaten in the court room was later beaten to death before he could testitfy in court against Reies."

Pachuco: Please let me know if you find it. I don't recall anything like that during the trials.

Quizling: "Explain again about the Euro mix with native dissappearing."

Pachuco: Some early inhabitants of the Americas have gone extinct. Some managed to intermix with other groups and their mtDNA has remained.

Peñon woman and Kennewick man are both thought of as European because of the narrow skull shape, but many scientist have stated that many paleo people had narrow heads, including Siberians, Asians and Africans – mtDNA studies are pending, but it is believed that these strains of humans went extinct in the Americas.

Quizling: "Here's a very interesting link. It's very in the middle and defining. http://www.hfac.uh.edu/gl/mav3.htm

Pachuco: Thanks

Quizling: "Still, the mythical Aztlan is nothing to those that have gone on before us. Chumash have no linguistic traits with meso american wanders. Still to this day, all the peoples off this land formed: in one way or another, their own cultural sects, differating themselves from each other."

Pachuco: Aztlan is not a myth like Camelot, Shangri-La or Atlantis. There is lots of evidence. Aztlan is the name the Aztec called their land of origin. The Aztec left their fingerprints all over the southwest in the form or language, DNA. Archeological evidence has proven that the Aztec occupied Utah. Mesoamerica is a European term based on borders, borders that didn’t exist in pre-Columbian times. Wanderers don’t have time to build cities, establish trade routes and agriculture. I think the wandering came is an exaggeration to demean Natives and justify Manifest Destiny.

China, Japan, England, Australia, all of Latin America, Isreal, Iraq, Palestine, France, Germany Denmark, Russia, Spain and many more acknowledge the southwestern US as being called Aztlan. I bet if you ask anyone in the US where is the Aztlan that Chicanos refer to they will tell you it is the southwest. Aztlan have two meanings, one is the fight against oppression from racism and the right to dictate your own destiny; the other is the name us Chicanos call the Southwest – nothing you say can change this, C/S.

Quizling: "The chicano/Mexica movement, is nothing more then a political power struggle for misperceived injustices. A racial hedgomony over others and to instill a cult like system of obedience to one race.”

You know nothing of the Chicano Movement and our goals. I lived through the 60s and the injustice that existed then and it was very real, as real as it is today. The goal of the Chicano Movement is political, social, educational and economical, but not based on obedience to one race. The term La Raza comes from Vasconcelos’ La Raza Cosmica. La Raza means “One Universal Race” made of all races on earth. Chicanos accept their European, African and Indigenous ancestral racial mix and acknowledge that the Indigenous have Asian and Australian ancestors, this makes us La Raza Cosmica, or just La

Raza. Read Vasconcelos thesis: http://www.physics.ucla.edu/~urrutia/chicano/RazaCosmicaTranslation.html
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Still Here.

by Quizling Thursday, Jan. 05, 2006 at 3:52 PM

Will answer back, when I have the time.

Little background on me. I spent Junior High and High school in the Paramount school District in the late 60's early 70's. Dog Patch through PV13 mingled with the Piru and Crips all bonded together with stoners.

I know the Chicano movement.

Cosmic race came long after the original "The Race"
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Cosmic Race

by Pachuco Thursday, Jan. 05, 2006 at 7:35 PM

We added the meaning of La Raza Cosmica into the Plan de Santa Barbara in 1969. We got La Raza cosmica from Alurista founder of MEChA and he got it from Jose Vasconcelos' 1948 book La Raza Cosmica.

From El Plan de Santa Barbara - 1969:
"Chicanismo is a concept that integrates self-awareness with cultural identity, a necessary step in developing political consciousness. As such, it serves as a basis for political action, flexible enough to include the possibility of coalitions. The related concept of La Raza provides an internationalist scope of Chicanismo, and La Raza Cosmica furnishes a philosophical precedent. Within this framework, the Third World concept merits consideration."
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