Some agree with burning the Mexico's Flag

CatPatrol: I don't see anything wrong with burning a flag, especially Mexico's flag.

BlackCatsinOntario: ...it doesn't hurt to "punch them back" by buring a Mexican flag..

Minuteman Pilot: WE ARE PISSED AND WE"RE NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE. I will lend you my USMC lighter.

spillz1(a Mexican aka Vince): I say "Just do it".

Kathy58: So yes, I'd be all for burning the mexican flag...

Save Our State (aka Joe Turner): I have often thought about burning or stomping on the Mexican flag.

Flag burning is bad for the environment, but good for the spirit.

Flags are symbols of nationalist expansion and conquest.

Someone should burn an American flag, at least a paper one, for the occasion.

Burn all the flags except the earth flag. We are one people with one future.

Burning the Mexican flag, in the case of Moderate Mammal, is a case of "Targeted non-Violence", directed towards the Mexican government for their failure to make Mexico, a good place for Mexicans to live, prosper and raise their families.

A basic human right is the freedom of expression.

He has my support too.

then your saying it's alright if somebody burns any national flag too including america's flag 'cuz they have the right. it's a symbol only.
in my opinion, i disagree people displaying any national flags 'cuz it is a sign of nationalism. to me nationalism is bad 'cuz it shows superiority to the other and it's racist.
I heard in germany, the citizen doesn't display the flags like americans do 'cuz it does remind them of the hay days of hilter.

SOS, CCIR, Minuteman Project, and others fringe groups i.e. National Alliance are the worst kind of nationalism.

Nationalism is NOT a bad thing. It is rooted in cultural identity, something which leftists are very fond of.

Nationalism is NOT equivalent to racism. Mexicans are very nationalist, just as US citizens are. Does that mean Mexicans are racist? Of course not. African nations have their own national flags and are just as nationalist as americans are. Are they racist??? No. Nationalism has nothing to do with racism, it has everything to do with symbolically unifying people under a common social and political structure.

Further, getting rid of all national identity and having everyone live under one flag (no doubt you'd want it to be the UN flag) is both silly and impossible. I thought leftists cherished 'differences' and 'cultural identity' and 'diversity'? If you get rid of national flags people will simply find another symbolic way of differentiating themselves from others. It's human nature.

If these people want to burn a Mexican flag let them. Right now flag burning is protected under free speech.

I never hear leftists on this site complain when an american flag is burned. In fact, I see them cheer it and encourage it.

Give it a rest.

It's not at all surprising or unexpected.

It's also just one small step away from burning brown people.

My opinions only and only my opinions.

Fred Rice said: "It's also just one small step away from burning brown people. "

This is the sort of irrational, over the top idiocy that defines the left in this country today. Have you ever taken a critical thinking class, Fred? Or do they teach that in school anymore?

If your statement is true then I guess burning the american flag is 'just one small step away from burning white people'... Is that correct Mr. Rice?

It's very sad that things as simple as this must be explained to you and your functionally illiterate minions.

What is your bases for calling america a white nation? I dont think so. America is made of immigrates. even whites migrate here. It's you and SOS, CCIR, MMP, National Alliance thinks america is a white nation. WAKE UP TRAMP!

When anti-war protesters burn a US flag it's to protest a policy.
When SOS-MM burn a flag it's racist.

State-Nationalism, Ultra-nationalism in general is not a good thing.

otherwise it is descrimination.

Some Mexicans are very nationalistic, and some are pretty racist too. I know that some Japanese people who are from the nationalist/imperialist era are racist. People are quick to say that Israelis are racist. Same for Farrakhan. These nationalistic people are also racist. Maybe they're not racist 24/7, but they get racist.

The rhetoric of the old KKK, the contemporary National Vanguard, and many "white nationalist" groups is nationalism, but, obviously, they're racist groups.

If you spend a lot of energy and money defining who is *in* the nation, and *out* of the nation, you get defensive about what you created.

As for leftists and nationalism -- there are leftist nationalists. I think, globally, most leftists *are* nationalistic. Many nations are still shaking off the yoke of imperialism (or wish to). In the US, leftists tend to be "internationalist" -- that is, they respect national soverignty, support national self-determination, and so forth. Anarchists are the only really "anti-nationalistic" faction who have little respect for sovereignty and believe that people tend to *not* form nations.

I don't think there's anything "natural" about a nation. Human beings have existed for some million years or so, but nations and empires seem to have arisen only in the past 5,000 years or so. It's a relatively new phenomenon, and some say that modern nations didn't exist before 1800. Read this page on Wikipedia about Nationalism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism

No borders said: "When anti-war protesters burn a US flag it's to protest a policy.
When SOS-MM burn a flag it's racist. "

Obviously it didn't occur to you that burning the Mexican flag is in protest of the policy of the Mexican government. The Mexican government is actually ENCOURAGING its people to cross the border.

I'm not part of SOS or the MinuteMen, but I would happily burn a Mexican flag to protest their policies. That doesn't make me a racist.

Leftist Philosophy: If you disagree with me you are by default a racist.

Also, you can burn the america's flag too because America is a big part of why Mexico is having problems. The problems are the neoliberlism agenda. SOS and MMP does not see this as the problem. they only scapegoating people. This is racist Tramp.

All this talk around the issue.
I think racism is the deliberate avoidance of the fact that we are all brothers and sisters here,
Excuse me for buting in,

> I'm not part of SOS or the MinuteMen, but I would happily burn a Mexican flag


You're not part of anything constructive but happily play on *any* negative dynamic as a hook in your role of trolling for amusement.

so what else is new ?

El Chivo said: "they only scapegoating people. This is racist Tramp."

Wrong again. They are protesting Mexican gov't policy. That's not racist.

This is the problem with the illiterate, juvenile Left... EVERYTHING that they disagree with is RACIST. EVERYTHING. You go LOOKING for racism in everything, fully expecting to find it there. It's a circular, self fulfilling prophecy. Most of you don't understand what the definition of racism is to begin with. This is why the Left can't be reasoned with.... because they lack the capacity for it. For the Left its all gut, visceral emotion.

Its sad that so many minds have been wasted like that. We can thank our Government schools for that.

But you go right ahead with your constant search for racism in everything from border control to bubble gum. Don't let common sense cloud your thought.

you are wrong Tramp. this is just one of there threads. I bet you havent visit there website and read the whole thing from the start to the end. you'll have a sense there racist. this is one of there website www.saveourstate.org also, the Minuteman project and California Coalition for Immigration Reform. and why did National Alliance gone to there rallies to support there cause? and have you gone to there rallies to protest them. I did.

The National Alliance people come to our events for the same reason Brown Beret, MECHA, La Raza etc come to your events. At least we ask them not to carry their agenda with them, unlike what I've seen from coming from your end

Actually, "El Chivo", I have been to their website, quite a number of times. There is NOTHING racist about it. They are simply fighting to enforce our border laws. Are you against enforcing our border laws?

It's very easy to sit back and say "Hey... those people coming across the border illegally are brown. SOS wants to stop this. But its my OPINION that they want to stop it because they are brown, not because they are breaking the law. Therefore I will call them racists. And anyone who agrees with them must also be a racist."

The SOS website makes it very clear what their objective is: To stand up for enforcing the law. Its says nothing about the hispanic race, or anyone's skin color. Their site doesn't support your claim that they are racist.

As for neo-Nazi's... They're a bunch of ignorant yahoos who ARE racist, but they don't represent SOS. They show up to these rally's because they can. Blending Nazi's and SOS together in your own mind doesn't make that a reality.

Frankly, as a white male, I'm getting a little tired of being accused of being a racist everytime I state that I would like to see better border enforcement. If you are incapable of distinguishing the difference between legitimate concern for border enforcement and racism then it's YOU who are the racist.

The Left keeps telling the world they are 'nuanced', yet nearly every day simple distinctions like this must be explained to them.

Back when I was in the military, in Japan, I burned a few American flags. At the time I was maintaining the flags at the base HQ, and when a US flag became too worn it had to be destroyed. In 65 to 80 mph winds the flags do get tattered -- just like the ones on your cars as your drive about.

Now, yes I confess, I burned the American flag, it was part of my job. I did it in private, after work, at home, in my back yard, in a cardboard box, on the barbeque grill. I did it without ceremony or any effort to attract attention. It was a somber occasion. I followed the US Flag Code. I saved some of the brass rings.

I did the same with the UN and Japanese flags too.

Today, though I'd burn Fredric L. Rice, before I'd burn another American flag. How about it Fred. Are you available?

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Hey Fred, if a white guy set you on fire would that be racist?

I know it would be murder and evil and all of that, I'm just wondering if it would be racist?

Please speak English correctly.

You can say "the Mexican Flag"
or
"Mexico's flag"

but not " The mexico's flag"

that does not make sense.

Can you kiss my ass?

Technically, he's not "speaking" English. He's writing it.

Also, BR and AG, when you burn a flag in public, you can't say "I'm burning it for this specific reason." The point is that you're insulting the nation that the flag stands for.

If we were to accept your arguments, you could just as easily argue that when people burn American flags, it's only against specific policies of the US government. You could say Americans getting upset over it are just foolish and need to learn to read footnotes, or at least reference the press conference that was held at the event related to the flag burning.

Remeber that when someone's setting the stars and stripes aflame, then stomping on it, and putting out the embers with a hot stream of urine, it's only to protest the actions of the Bush administration in Iraq from 2003 onward. Specifically, it's about the torture in Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo, and not about all the other things that have happened around this war.

Burning any flag is a symbolic event. It is also protected, I believe anyway.

Simple enough, no?

Does everyone here realize that one of the countries that has a law against burning the flag is China?

I ask myself why do yall do this 10 years ago people wernt like this people used to read the bible pray and sing for god, the congress used to pray togethr and so did the president, now its all racism, whitepeople say that us mexicans take thir jobs but cicerly i didnt know yall like to mow laws, clean houses, work hard in coinsructions sites, the white people i know work in offices are architects and a-lot live in a house where latinos made it. so think abhout it if it wernt for us yall wouldnt have haouses as strong and well designed, wouldlt have anything cause if you peek out your houses window a-lot of mexicans carry an american flag either in thir cars have a god bless america sign and all that cause they want the us to be the US more than years ago...... GOD RWEALLY BLESS AMERICA

...especially on easter sunday or x-mas day, to protest:

the current christan crusade against the people of Iraq;

the enslavement, rape, genocide of the indigenous peoles of this hemisphere in the name of "jezzuz";

the enslavement, rape, and genocide of Africans in the name of "jezzuz";

the enslavement, rape, and genocide of Asians in the name of "jezzuz";

the brutal oppression of gays, lesbians, bisexuals in the name of "jezzuz";

the rape and enslavement of women in the name of "jezzuz";

can I get an Amen?

It's funny how the Minutemen and SOS people act all mad when the US flag is stepped on, burned, or turned upside down and saying it's bad. But when they talk about burning the Mexican flag, of course they'll defend this act of free speech and are encouraging it. Even LAPhil from SOS agreed with me when I spoke against burning a Mexico flag, but now he seems to have submitted to his peers and is all for it too. What a tool.

I got the latest CCIR newsletter in the mail today. They still send that to me hahaha. Anyways, lots of interesting stuff this time. Their issue before this was boring. In this one they of course keep harping on that US flag that was turned upside down at one freaking high school, out of how many in the US? It was a bunch of students doing something likely on the spur of the moment. It wasn't a calculated plan by some organization as far as I know. Who cares, get over it. Anyways, when my suscription to the CCIR newsletter runs out, maybe I'll take them all back to a CCIR meeting and ask for a refund.

"One Inch Group" and "Obey" from the Nazis/SOS burned the Mecican flag and hung it where the Jornaleros congregate in El Toro.


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So it's 'free speech' to burn an American flag but now all of a sudden that 3 color Mexican rag is some sort of holy cloth?...give me a friggin' break....you aren't going to do squat,'mano....just more macho posturing.....I think I'll burn one tomorrow just to prove my point....if you have a problem with MY free speech right to do that then you need to go back to the land of your birth where free speech is still only a theory