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Remembering My Purpose Here At Indy Media Indy Media has the potential to sift out foolishness; deception, and attacks on people, leaving only discussions that are capable of legalizing progressive change for all people. . Thanks Richard
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"bringing together both left and right" Translation: Indymedia is here to provide a soapbox for the enemies of Global Justice.
Bullsh*t! See also: www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=71422&type=otherpress&results_offset=120
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the enemy Shall we have instead, certain unreachable gate keepers?
The forum of public dissent and the common majority of morality is a very effective grinding stone for the 'truth'. Give the keys of public dissussion to a select few and you have situations like IMC NY where certain subjects like 9-11 are "edited". No thanks, nessie.
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I think If Indymedia were to stay true to that, I think the moderators should delete any posts that reveal or attempt to reveal anyone's personal information, including addresses and phone numbers(Vince of SOS, Megan of Stormfront, etc). That is, if the posts were meant to provide information without permission or consent of whoever such info belongs to. Especially for purposes of harrassment and mischeif. No matter who they are, even if they happen to really be people we hate or are public menaces.
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what? no way to prohibit information being posted.
You wouldneed real time ( unavailable due to work load ) analysis. Public information is a heavy, blunt tool. Be careful. Duh.
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"no way to prohibit information being posted." SF-IMC does just fine at it.
>You wouldneed real time ( unavailable due to work load ) analysis. So recruit more people. At SF-IMC, we have people from all over the place who help us out with this. You can, too. If you notice an politically inappropriate or factually incorrect post, just email us and we'll deal with it ASAP: sf@indymedia.org The alternative is to have whatever good that Indymedia can do for the Global Justice Movement be negated by the machinations of its enemies. If that's what you want, then *you* are an enemy. > The forum of public dissent and the common majority of morality is a very effective grinding stone for the 'truth'. That is the role of the internet as a whole, not the role of Indymedia. Indymedia's role is to provide a credible alternative to the ubiquitous propaganda mill of the corporate-government complex.
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The enemy The enemy is control, by a few, of what the many get to participate in.
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Factual errors I can understand wanting to get rid of factual errors. But someone may post what some see as factual errors when it's really debatable. If some persons wanted to, I guess they should be able to investigate and debate all they want. It's the personal information posted for mischief purposes that I'm really concerned about.
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"Shall we have instead, certain unreachable gate keepers?" It's that or trolls, disinfo and enemy propaganda. Would you rather have trolls, disinfo and enemy propaganda? Why? Be specific.
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"Be specific" I couldn't help notice
it was either "unreachable gatekeepers" or trolls, spam, etc one extreme or another no middle ground there's moderation on here - some posts get hidden, but many good ones that other IMC's hide don't. and some subjects like the 911 evidence are important - people are starting to leak more details the put options paper trail being the best example what Cheney was doing that morning is another what one person thinks are facts isn't always ground in stone - sometimes further data comes up that invalidates it. it's important to allow new data to come in. otherwise the newswire ends up being one point of view's billboard frozen in dogma some people you think are devisive trolls are peers as in peer review and i'd be cool as hell if you could just post as one handle insted of the constant shell game of guess which 'forced to read and think about carefully' words are really yours sometimes I don't feel like doing so your words aren't especially wise - you're just especially tricky
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look... you can keep the SF board just as neat and controled as you want but this is LA.
I like a good range war. It brings out the skunks and snakes for road cakes.
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"it's important to allow new data to come in." The s0-called "data" you're talking about is widely available across the net. Providing an alternative doesn't suppress any of it. If you want to read chaotic, incoherent, inconsistent, seldom credible crap, read usenet. If you want to hang out with puerile and disruptive liars, go hang out on a middle school BBS.
That's not the purpose of Indymedia. Indymedia is here to provide a credible alternative to the ubiquitous propaganda mill of the corporate-government complex, not to aid and abet it. Providing a soapbox for the enemies of global justice is just plain bad politics. Publishing disinformation is worse politics and even worse journalism. For Indymedia to be able to be taken seriously as a source of valid, believable information, it must exercise the most basic principle of journalism, fact checking. Disinformation on any IMC discredits all IMCs as sources of credible journalism, and every IMCista as a credible journalists. Publishing enemy propaganda discredits us as activists. Why would anyone want to discredit Indymedia activists as both journalists and as activists? Think hard. It'll come to you.
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blinded by the hype > The s0-called "data"
you miss the point right up front - what if your wrong ? as to being available elsewhere the same can be said for anything including some "truth" you've peddled, if your rules were in force when D.I.R.T. went down for example neither Green or me would have gotten the TRUTH about D.I.R.T. out - thanks to your attitudes- the "bad politics" being more important.. not exactly one to be gushing about the virtue and value of truth at all costs are you ? yet it's used to bludgeon others.. and this extremism is still happening - either your version of all truth or total chaos some things really are more important - like live reports and pictures from protests. streaming audio from live protests broadcast over the air tell me - how much signal on the radio is available on usenet ?
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credible alternative I just am concerned that the sensibilities of the enforcing group can and will be subjected to compromise or assumptions of 'higher' understandings about the issues.
I do believe that more strict enforcement of the existing ( LA IMC ) guidelines needs to occur. I just am wary of any autocratic gate keeper. People change as do their loyalties, not that I question yours, but pressure is always exerted from the enemy particularly at information choke points . It's up to the readership to be able to intervene and cross examine any post. You assume a very low standard of intelligence on behalf of the citizen when I think it's a matter of under staffing at the LA collective to deal with the nasty troll droppings. Your eager ones up there would be welcome to help within these guide lines in my opinion. Exactly how much integration takes place between the IMCs is only my guess. I'm way in the depths of this **%#^@##! mine and I can't be there. Let's talk about it. How does that sound?
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"the TRUTH" One guy says one thing, one guy says another. Why should we believe Hex? Never once has he demonstrated that he can be trusted. Au contrair.
>what if your wrong ? Demonstrate something on SF-IMC is factually incorrect, it will be removed. Keyword: "demonstrate" Saying something is untrue doesn't count. Saying that somebody else said it was untrue doesn't count either.
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the operative word being 'we' > Never once has he demonstrated that he can be trusted. Au contrair.
the truth is the trust - when someone posts the truth over & over that's pretty convincing the "we" thing presupposes you speak for more than yourself which I know better - the people on #radio know better too trust is based on truth, and URLS to generally academic sources are provided I have more dirt on D.I.R.T. for example - bet your truth/trust torch doesn't burn so bright on that subject "why should WE trust" - standing in your glass house throwing rocks
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excuse me, dude Not talking about your pet moss garden here Hex
Your* ( chuckle ) interrupting an adult conversation. Don't be a pest. It's rude.
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it's very bad form what adult conversation ?
bar none ?
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"the most dangerous - who cares anyway" D.I.R.T went from being the most dangerous trojan ever to a politically embarrassing skeleton to be kept hidden in the closet, nevermind the danger
and anyone who brings it up owns a moss garden... such is "truth"..
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it could well mean... the guidelines being up for review or refinement as well as enforcement. Things they do at SF which I like are:
Reasons ( like they SOMETIMES) give at SF for editing. -my minor peeve- is here they have ( tell me it's not so! ) even -choke- hidden some of mine for still undetermined reasons. Security, here at LA, as was mentioned, is poor. Disclaimers are in order, at least. How about that snitch link page, to fill out, on helping report abuse? You ought to listen to me.
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as long as there's no chemtrails/ENMOD crap things are fine
looking back a few years there were death threats making front page space along with major trolling/spamming plus crashing just the spamming didn't seem like such a bad thing back then.. it's to your dismay that chemtrail/ENMOD is hidden, and to nessie's dismay that dirt on D.I.R.T. isn't truth and real science stands for something on here I'm grateful to see
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and I would rather not have we sure don't need any self proclaimed icons of ultimate truth like Hex to decide what is cogent.
I let him do the gopherwork in the other threads so he can claim credit for the public information. He's usefull.
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the giveaway "icons of ultimate truth"
barb well no, science isn't about one person always being right about everything matter of fact I was wrong about those Iraq rape pics being Russian porn truth, trust, trust, truth, truth, trust, trust, truth, truth, trust nessie name something you was wrong about sheepdog name something you was wrong about truth, trust, trust, truth, truth, trust, trust, truth, truth, trust
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" I have more dirt on D.I.R.T." We've been over this before, years ago. I'm not convinced.
Yo review: Hex, a guy I never heard of, tells me one thing over the internet. People I know personally, friends of mine, tell me face to face that he's wrong. They explained why in jargon that I do not understand. I'm not a programmer, so all I have to go on is what I know about people, which after all these years is not inconsiderable. My friends have never lied to me. Strangers on the internet lie to me, and about me, every single day of the week. All I know about Hex's moral stature is that he has demonstrated repeatedly that he does not have Indymedia's best interests at heart, or those of the Global Justice Movement in general either. D.I.R.T is not the issue here. It's a fallacy of distraction. The issue is that Hex, among others, is publicly advocating policies that discredit Indymedia as a source of credible information, and discredit every IMCista as a credible activist. Indymedia was created to stand for something, not to be chaotic and incoherent swill trough like Usenet. It's important to stand for something. If you wont stand for something, you'll fall for anything. At this critical juncture of history it is crucial that there exists a credible alternative to the ubiquitous propaganda mill of the corporate-government complex. Indymedia could be that alternative. Certain individuals, and not a few organizations, are trying to insure that it wont be. What's that make them? More important, what should the rest of us do about it?
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stop this nonsense Indeed this problem of who holds the keys to the public trust is critical.
I favor the full public light of my and other's ability to bring to view what I believe to be information. Apparently you have a low opinion of general consensus and you haven't responded to the matter of democratic analysis versus autocratic control. Your trust level in the readership ( aside from the weasels ) is unjustifiably low. The zionazi and spatter posts are usually dealt with in the 'flay them alive' mode which I favor. It's a learning process for newbees. Why don't you show us a nasty one that was allowed to park unmolested here at IMC?
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character attacks insted of D.I.R.T. > D.I.R.T is not the issue here. It's a fallacy of distraction. The issue is that Hex
no it's a simple question, changing it to my character IS the distraction a.) you can't admit you was wrong about D.I.R.T. b.) you can't admit your wrong about anything - ever a person can't always be right - refusing to ever admit your wrong means you're misleading - LYING - at least some of the time then you bring up trust... now this pigeonhole you've constructed about "Indymedia's best interests" narrowly defined within YOUR framework constitutes a strawman attack since innocent readers might assume your defination is the same as theirs, with the likewise narrowly defined benefit to the "global justice movement" - bet it doesn't include BROADCASTING for example.. you know no matter how you wave & shout that I'm the problem and *your perfect*, lack of simply posting some example where you've made a mistake TO SHOW YOU CAN BE TRUSTED TO PUT THE TRUTH AHEAD OF YOUR EGO that's a simple concept - under nessie's rules the truth about D.I.R.T. would never have got out, only nessie's version of the truth would be available, nessie wants technical data that proves what D.I.R.T. really is suppressed, the subject dropped, me demonized and his control spread like a cancer on other IMC's so he can stamp out dissenting scientific process, discovery and peer review. He's got his own idea of what IMC is all about, cookie cutter stamped approved news only, with no comments of discovery or dissent outside the realm of "his friends" expert knowledge in which error is not possible and new development does not occur - so they would never lie to you and it's this mysterious scientific panel that appears out of nowhere that I'm up against - and they get to say I'm wrong but *present no evidence*... so I ask you to cough up something you were wrong about, and the best you can do is say a secret panel says *I'm* wrong, while me asking after saying so myself is changing the subject, but you attacking my character isn't..
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Roads to Carpaltunnel But 'in everyone's life, there must fall a little flutter' just to keep the horse spooked.
Still waiting. :>)
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two birds with one stone you both are afraid of scientific peer review
both refuse to admit your ever wrong sheepdog you can discuss chemtrails all you like - but when the "evidence was destroyed in the OKC bombing" but you keep spamming it anyway, that's not peer review nessie - when "your friends" have one opinion about D.I.R.T. and I present new data directly from the trojan it'self but you want to suppress it, that's not peer review having scientific debate, discussion and discovery is the cure for both - is what occurs now, and is what I advocate funny you two have a problem with it
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resistance nah.
not worth the ammo.
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"you . . . you . . . you" (1.) When I'm wrong, I admit it. I'm not the least bit convinced I was wrong about D.I.R.T. Hex simply hates it that I wont take the word of a stranger on the internet word over that of my friends, but so what? All that proves is his understanding of human nature is deficit. Maybe he should try shutting off the computer sometime and relate to some flesh and blood.
What I am absolutely certain of is that Hex, and people like him, are acting to discredit Indymedia as a source of credible information and to discredit IMCista as activists. Some are doing it consciously, some out of well meaning ignorance. Either way, the result is the same. Indymedia can't be trusted. (2.) It's not about me. It's not even about Hex. It's not about any one individual. It's about the future of Indymedia. Do you (pl) want Indymedia to be a place where people can expect that what they read to be true, and where the values of the Global Justice Movement are displayed to the world, or do you want it to be a cesspit of lies and enemy propaganda like usenet? That's not a rhetorical question. Be specific.
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yak yuk yawn then quit making it about you and him.
Stop Listen Answer Specifics? "do you want it to be a cesspit of lies and enemy propaganda like usenet?" That's a question? Let me think about this for awhile.... uh, no. Now, You want Indymedia to become the highly filtered sometimes capricious ( like IMC NY ) platform or a board where certain chosen adversaries ( like scottie and Sky King on SF ) are allowed to post their drek and certain friendly adversaries ( like Angie ) are allowed full riegn? Get back with me on that, okay?
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"I am absolutely certain" about "a guy I never heard of"
I'm not the only one in the world that says D.I.R.T. is a scam ^
"I am absolutely certain" pretty stong words for 1.) someone you don't know 2.) something you *have no data to back up* in the past you used that exact reason - you not knowing who I am therefore how can I be trusted - yet somehow you are now "absolutely certain" about my motivations - a ghost you don't even know.. and about D.I.R.T. - I HAVE THE ACTUAL TROJAN plus it's user guide plus technical data FROM SECURITY EXPERTS "your friends" are saying not just me, but a whole group of people are wrong it's not me v you/your friends I'm not *the only person who found out differently* 1.) credible is YOUR VERSION of credible, SOMETIMES YOU ARE WRONG, peer review is normal & healthy 2.) " It's not about any one individual. It's about the future of Indymedia. Do you (pl) want Indymedia to be a place where people can expect that what they read to be true, and where the values of the Global Justice Movement are displayed to the world, " you make it about you when you censor data you don't agree with - that's the whole point. You can't always be right, but if you *always act as if you are and censor to suit* YOU become the problem at that point this pigeonhole - either nessie's rosy narrow version of what IMC is about, for, doing - or -" "cesspit of lies and enemy propaganda" one extreme or another - no middle ground, RHETORICAL > That's not a rhetorical question actually is IS - just you claiming it isn't doesn't make it so, like ; "Saying something is untrue doesn't count." and these "friends" of yours that claim we're wrong about D.I.R.T. but PRESENT NO EVIDENCE - "Saying that somebody else said it was untrue doesn't count either." odd isn't it - you make character attacks that your "absolutely certain" about "a guy I never heard of" and these nameless friends get to dictate what truth is yet they never have to cough up any evidence to back it up, while anyone saying something (posting proof) isn't good enough, but YOU saying something IS Maybe if you say up front your rhetorical pigeonholed statements aren't rhetorical that makes it so too ? either IMC is exactly what I want or it's chaotic, incoherent, inconsistent, seldom credible crap, chaotic and incoherent swill trough, cesspit of lies and enemy propaganda one extreme or the other "If you wont stand for something, you'll fall for anything." all or nothing my way or the highway NESSIE YOUR D.I.R.T. DATA IS NOT CREDIBLE - YOU POSTED IT ON IMC AS "TRUTH" - therefore according to your OWN RHETORIC YOU are damaging IMC's image and it's not just ME saying so -
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"I am absolutely certain" about "a guy I never heard of" "I am absolutely certain" about "a guy I never heard of" because I read what he writes. He openly advocates policies that discredit Indymedia. He doesn't even deny it.
Disinformation, spam, gibberish and enemy propaganda discredits Indymedia. So do people who say Indymedia should publish it. As for D.I.R.T., people disagree. Some people say one thing, other people say something else. In cases like that, I always err on the side of caution. Also, when I have to choose between people I know, and the internet, I go with with the people I know. Occasionally this proves later to have been the wrong choice, but not bloody often. And if I were to rely on the internet, why should I believe one site and not the other. What makes stuff on the Register inherently true and stuff on Security Focus inherently not true? Nothing, nothing at all. Do your own research. Draw your own conclusions. While you're at it, try to find out why this guy Hex is trying to discredit Indymedia. His whole obsession with D.I.R.T sounds pathological. It puts me in mind of SmashTheLeft's obsession with that account I published of Harry Hay's memorial service, or of his long standing attempt to convince people that I might have once made a typo once and then (oh, the horror) fixed it. It's sick. Sick people obsess like this. Do we want Indymedia to be a place where sick people act out their psychopathology and alien they very people we're trying hardest to reach, or a place where our readers can expect to find credible information that they can't find through the ubiquitous propaganda mill of the corporate government complex? That's the issue here, not me, not Hex and not D.I.R.T. Do we want to talk about the issue, or are we going to let these people distract us with lies, irrelevancies and logical fallacies?
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feathers or lead? here, let me help.
1st both of you are wrong. It's all about ME. That having been settled. can we address ANY of my specifics, questions ot comments or do you two want to keep dancing?
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I see visions of a scary lifeless waste of "nessieland" > err on the side of caution
the truth doesn't bend - when it does it's no longer the truth > advocates policies that discredit Indymedia / Disinformation, spam, gibberish and enemy propaganda that pigeonhole - either exactly what you want or COMPLETELY something else the words "peer review" never cross your keyboard... > wrong choice, but not bloody often finally - light at the end of the tunnel ! the deal is new data becomes available - this is part of scientific process - you don't hold on to old data because "people I know" haven't found out yet your "disinformation, spam, gibberish and enemy propaganda" is simply an UPDATE as new information becomes available when you split hairs, you create an artificial contrast so that everything becomes blak & white you become stuck in the past and stifle the *news gathering process* people anywhere can post whatever they see, then COMMENTS VARIFY the news peer review lately things have been going fine on here - without heavyhanded moderation we're still getting some troll bait which (thankfully) people are starting to ignore.. the danger of commentators pointing out, exposing, debunking and otherwise correcting keeps things pretty clean typically on here anytime something untrue is posted it is quickly challenged - usually with refuting data myself I concentrate on FOIA's and the most solid and credible URL's I can get that's better than some "nameless secret panel of people you know" at least for the readers > Hex is trying to discredit Indymedia. preserving peer review = discrediting IMC > His whole obsession with D.I.R.T sounds pathological. It puts me in mind of SmashTheLeft's obsession D.I.R.T. is a easy point - as I can easyly prove your wrong about it. Your avoidance of it is evasive - readers may want to ask themselves why if a person needs to be pathologicaly obsessed to get a straight answer out of you, how is peer review going to work ? SmashTheLeft - directly comparing me with a known right-wing-nut troll now it's; "sick people act out their psychopathology and alien(ate) they [sic] very people we're trying hardest to reach, or a place where our readers can expect to find credible information" I'm sick and not credible "very people we're trying hardest to reach" how many people do I reach with my signal ? ~ 30,000 what information ? - Unwelcome Guests (is that credible?) live IMC streams aired if I was trying to DISCREDIT the global justice movement/IMC why would I do that ? I air live IMC streams to a base of 30,000 people - "Hex is trying to discredit Indymedia" I say the peer review process we have here now is fine, nessie wants strict sf-imc like censorship - People on here specifically challenge lies and post truth/data to refute them. This peer review allows new data to come in yet keeps uncredible noise under control - through shared readership effort. The news gathering process depends on the free flow of information - not a chokepoint with a stranglehold on the truth - a choker can't always be right, as my "obsessive, sick, lying" self is distractingly pointing out; "distract us with lies, irrelevancies and logical fallacies?"
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peer review is sick > ANY of my specifics, questions ot comments
post data to back up your chemtrails/ENMOD. if you can't withstand peer review, the info has no business on here - as nessie said (me & nessie only disagree on what is credible relating to specific security issues and iron out how news gathering co-exists with the desire to elevate IMC's image) your question of how do you get by with posting flake shit without any hard data to back it up IS the distraction as you can see nessie is a real slugger - he pulls no stops in his efforts to demonize me all I said was he's "not especially wise" but when such a small pea shot bounces off his giant meth-addict-on-steroids ego you see the result - a barrage of insults, putdowns.. and the words "peer review" and "broadcast" never cross his lips
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sorry, Whizz don't want to dance. Go on with yer solo.
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"Specifics" > Indy Media is everyone’s media.
No, it is not. It belongs to the people who make it happen.
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people who make it happen and exactly whom would that be?
The techs The authors The readership Apparently some people want to offer a 'non co-ordinated' but total control over subject material. Some for tactical reasons and some for more sinister ends. The fit and function of this forum MUST have an instrumentality of control shared by the awakening readership. This totality of control is dangerous in the hands of a select few, It compromises the concept from the other side. If you idiots want to continue on this ancillary side step and slap fight, I will begin to believe that this is just another stage production from the enemy. Which does reticule this forum.
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"an instrumentality of control shared by the awakening readership." We tried that. It didn't work. It was like going into battle without any armor. A significant portion of the readership is not "awakened." They are enemies, against whom we must defend with utmost vigor, or they will overwhelm us.
We're in a war here, and not just on Indymedia and not just on the internet, either. If we pretend and behave otherwise, we will lose. There is too much at stake to allow that to happen. This is not an intellectual exercise. Real people are really dying in the real world. Thirty to forty thousand a day die from starvation alone, almost all of them children. Some of us want to use Indymedia to help put a stop to that. Others want to use it for mental masturbation. I say, throw the wankers out. We have a powerful weapon here. To put it in the hands of our enemies is foolhardy. Let's use it to win the war, not to arm our enemies or jerk each other's brains off.
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war is hell - just ask nessie > and exactly whom would that be?
I knew the answer to that right as it was stated - why even BOTHER to ? > defend with utmost vigor, or they will overwhelm us. the all or nothing rhetoric again, one extreme or another > We're in a war here / We have a powerful weapon here / Let's use it to win the war when you have a hammer everything looks like a nail the second all or nothing rhetorical attitude is that *by just doing this one thing* suddenly everything will change, things will be different and better, we will "win" readership, people, the general public only the last group will "win", but the last group *doesn't even read IMC* as many aren't even ON the internet at all but they DO have radios and do listen to them.. so nessie decides to "take over" other IMC's by alienating, dividing and weakening (atomizing) so he can gain more control and run things HIS WAY, which just happens to include throwing the baby out with the bathwater but WHO CARES - it's not HIM we're talking about and he can *claim* it's both for the good of the global justice movement AND will make some big difference that will "win the war" a rosy future awaits those who submit and *allow other's to do your thinking for you* - that way he can do all the mental masterbation himself - thinking is bad & dirty otherwise, and it's his mission to *protect us* from doing so peer review, broadcasting and the fact that the vast majority of IMC's are doing fine without his war-like heavyhanded moderation seems to escape him everything is crouched in terms of war and enemies and it's all or nothing Nessie you made your bed - now lie in it. Wash your own linin, don't try to steal our sheets, swap them or shortsheet us because of a problem YOU CREATED YOURSELF and now want to spread your misery and be perfectly clear that a pirate broadcaster is one of the "wankers" you want to "dump" - a wanker that reaches people you can never reach no matter how many IMC's you take over.. you stole my concept - I already said if we reach out to enough people we can really make a change (via broadcasting). You've mutilated that into "if we make enough IMC's into cookie-cutter clones of your (in my mind) failure example" (just look at the traffic statistics!) then by doing this AND "dumping" people already onboard, that will magically draw huge crowds of people which will then cause real changes, leading us to "winning the war" - dumping one of the very few "wankers" who really does reach out - to people that don't even have computers. WHEN IMC PUBLISHES A NATIONAL PAPER - a real physical paper that the average Joe with no computer can buy & read (or better yet just read) then we'll talk
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brass tacks You tried one approach and it didn't work. Yes the enemy can call for nealy unlimited intervention and this is a problem. I have proposed a few solutions. We should try them 'cause all the other methods are either autocratic or anarchist.
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and if your concern is about creditability I think a good measure of creditability is the traffic and popularity of a site.
Nothing much goes on in a nunnery unless you're a priest. Take Poetland, for instance (pun) Portland has high traffic and vigorous debates and involvement in a much wider venue than SF or even LA because, I believe, the readership is empowered and engaged. That's credibility and power. Their compost bin works well as an editorial tool as does their willingness to communicate with the readership. They get cranky too but overall they cook. Having been on the receiving end of, in my humble and usual proscrostnating miserable self evaluated opinion; of editorial misconduct, I, uh, have issues with this.
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1.) an IMC newsletter regularly published, reprinted then copied by local IMC's made available to THE GENERAL PUBLIC EVERYWHERE
this newsletter will have whatever the collective deems best (just like the front pages do now) - this effort is mostly done already anyway - take that last step and get it out on the street this represents the single most effective action we can take 2.) a special IMC flyer to hand out at protests outlining a network of phone support where a person can find out how to come to meetings - beyond simply internet - the image should be of "come join the fun" 3.) a place where long term discussions can happen without constant threat of being pulled for some "higher purpose" and little moderation to encourage the free exchange of data, the gathering of news and the peer review test If IMC patrons had such a place officially set aside it would eliminate people like nessie trying to take over, plus would clean up the newswire (a few could use some polishing but most are doing fine - nowhere near the doom & gloom, all-or-nothing "war" he tries to paint) This IMC is actually doing better than most, and the system of peer review (that's mental masturbation to you war mongers out there) is working - now 4.) encourage more over-the-air broadcasting by supporting pirate broadcasters and acknowledging thier value (as opposed to demonizing, ignoring, dumping and claiming they're agents out to harm IMC or the movement) that's 4 solutions there - and none of them involve nessie's ideas as to the mess he's found himself in, and his even more incompetent "solutions" - trying to spread his mess to other IMC's to pull them down to his level - all in the name of the good of the movement (naturally) I've been monitoring him since Seattle '2000 I could write a book about what he's done which I'm not going to go into here, but it's safe to say I have more dirt on him than anyone else.. Is it any surprise he want's to demonize & dump me ? That the main points I represent, peer review as part of the scientific and news gathering process, and pirate broadcasting to people he'll never see - it's as if these concepts don't even exist - for to exist would require acknowledgement that there's something positive about me and in that all-or-nothing "information war" such weakness would surely lead to doom just ask him ask about peer review and see if you get an answer beyond "it didn't work" (nevermind it's working here & now, the only time it doesn't work is when the censor with his finger on the button is technically incompetent and lies to suit his whims making him as bad as the trolls he's arguing with - *I've seen him doing it*) When a person spends his time second-guessing his way through life sooner or later he'll meet someone who really does know what he's talking about then watch the sparks fly that person will be public enemy # 1, the truth be damned (D.I.R.T. is a perfect example) then he'll never see or admit anything positive about the person - will be blind and actively ignore even when you bring up the points yourself (he used to call it "bragging") he's never admitted he's ever been wrong about anything - the closest was "not bloody likely" - non-specific and weak and this axe grinding truth bashing control freak is whom we're supposed to trust to clean IMC's of "wankers" in some all-or-nothing ultimate struggle of total good v total evil where we will either obtain a clear victory and "win" or we will "loose" to the "enemy" in this "war". if you repeat over & over it's all-or-nothing, that it's doom & gloom and what's not working in your neck of the woods must apply everywhere else, MAYBE SOMEONE WILL BITE Nessie has it all worked out He knows who all the trolls are, knows who to "dump", how often to and where. Once a troll always a troll - no matter how many hours you spend defending truth, IMC newswires or how many progressive radio shows you broadcast none of that matters once you cross the great & powerful, everlasting know-it-all PERFECT "nessie" from then on everything's bad, and nothing good about the victim can even be mentioned much less discussed, plus he gains the ability to read the victim's mind at a distance and is thus "absolutely certain" he knows completely and exactly what the victim is about I could make a long list of all the things nessie has been wrong about... But wrong/right (truth) isn't the issue here - except when he wishs to use it as a bargining point to beat people over the head with {if we could just get rid of a few trolls that discredit (non-truth) everything would be fine and we will "win"} funny the truth is out the window when *he's* on the other side of it.. Like with sheepdog the truth isn't the most important thing (DIRT/TESLA) "Information warfare" is - they both talk about it in war-like terms, they both trash the truth anytime it suits them then loudly scream and drown out (or censor out) the offending truth I have first hand experiences with both of them on this.. Nessie just happens to have coup'ed an IMC and censors where sheepdog merely name-calls and ignores I posted new updated scientific data on AIDS and nessie censored it - upfront claiming the data wasn't perfectly accurate therefore completely worthless (that all-or-nothing extremism again) and behind my back claiming I'm a "disinformation artist out to harm IMC/global justice/HIV positive people" in the most demonizing way possible (naturally) Whereas the exact same data posted on here resulted in ; 1.) no censorship 2.) a little discussion comparing notes and *encouraging further research* 3.) better informed readership knowing all the bases are covered that scientific peer review did it's job - 1.) the technical details are too boring for trolls 2.) any troll with the courage to post bait is easyly refuted with additional data 3.) no effort on the part of IMC staff/editors is required 4.) the persons conducting peer review dig harder and find more information for the challenge (Fresca actually brings a higher standard of information due to the effort required to soundly refute her - perfect example of a brain-dead right-wing-nut mentality we all deal with in real life - data good enough to debunk fresca is good enough for the worst of them) Kept in line not by censorship but by TRUTH, arrived at via peer review.. Yes it DOES work on here - the volume of troll spam has went way down because of it The same thing was happening on the main (original) IMC before nessie ruined it too A handful of regular readers *when they avoid troll games and simply post the truth* can do wonders compared to the downward spiral of more control, more censorship, more vindictive spam as punishment, followed by even more censorship then you end up seeing people as "the enemy" and treating them as such, end up having a black & white all-or-nothing way of seeing things you create your own situation by the way you react in the first place, yet are too incompetent and narrow minded to think of ways to *change poison into medicine* insted you want bloodletting - "dump the wankers"
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wow wow
manic for sure wow
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soon to come... I know the soon to be released IMC Fieldguide to Trolls is going to be a real hit.
I like chapter 4 The Rabid Weasel
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creditability - truth or dare looking at "dang"/"@$100"/"wow"'s example -
> has high traffic and vigorous debates and involvement in a much wider venue than SF or even LA because, I believe, the readership is empowered and engaged. That's credibility and power. although it's a tainted example, free republic is like this.. you KNOW what he'll say - this is strictly a news organ and peer review has no place here (my how convenient for his agenda) nevermind it's actually working here & now, nevermind it's the *one thing he never has due to his meddling know-it-all second guessing truth-out-the-political-window personality* nevermind it's what made IMC what it is today - the critical element of the news gathering has always been the ablility to anonymously post news as it's happening without worry of censorship Nessie want's to change all that - because *what he's doing isn't working* - his heavyhanded war-like censorship of a never-ending WAR between himself and trolls not between THE TRUTH and trolls like on here.. > the receiving end of / editorial misconduct. Well again truth reigns - if your proof didn't conveniently get destroyed in huge explosions and you didn't loose the power of speech when challenged, yet the spam re-appears still with no evidence to back it up.. this peer review behooves the trickster - just as it does the extremist bloodletting control freak Personally I think IMC should embark on a nationwide network of micropower stations along WITH a newsletter or we could just infight and splinter into atoms spending our time jabbing the delete button some people find that "stimulating" it seems and can't get enough if it..
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'free republic is like this' uh no, t's not.
It's a scripted platform of talking points. Just like you. And I like they was you give fresca credit for anything.
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well I haven't actually spent any time on there, but from what I've read about it while datamining, it's a huge discussion board with tens of thousands of posters..
started by one man - there's some censorship I read, but because of the sheer volume of posts many areas are practically un-moderated as to fresca I only brought her up as an example to show how peer review is strengthened by debunking the worst of them Fresca represents a *bad* example and how to deal with it.. On a right-wing-nut board I'm sure she feels quite at home and welcomed. accepted... No so here You know a thought occured to me - Nessie is "absolutely certain" I'm bad... Funny - I talk about truth, peer review, exposing trolls and broadcasting progressive shows what troll does those things ?
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;cause you & me you lie about what I say and you lie about what you say.
You probaly lie about what other's say. And we both know why,
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"I think a good measure of creditability is the traffic and popularity of a site.&quo Gauging credibility by gullibility is a totally bogus analysis.
There is one way and one way only to determine how credible a site. Determine how much of what it says is consistent with the empirical data. The number of readers is irrelevant. If a million people believe a lie, it's still not true. If a hundred million people believe a lie, it's still not true. Corporate news sites, and even Howard Stern, get decimal places worth of more traffic than any site on the Indymedia network. Does that make them more credible? I don't think so.
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"you lie" prove it
prove anything you can't even present evidence on the flake shit you spam the newswire with, much less anything I said/didn't say But it would be refreshing to see some proof for a change Tesla ? Chemtrails ? ENMOD ? your background - your legal judgement, the stuff you sell - you can't even be honest *to begin with* and fess up.. there's nothing to prove because there's nothing to stand on - and you keep it that way on purpose truth is a selling ploy to you - it has no value in it'self lies suppose truth.. but you're not prepared to present any to begin with hey - why not just adopt another handle and call me some more names !
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different media One is dieing due to it's disassiciation with the public.
The other one is evolving. And growing.
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empirical data - the catchphrase New data resulting from further experiments and tests, update to established info
under nessie - rejected, censored then trumpeted as "beating off the trolls" success.. here - posted, talked about, compared, forwarded to update that empirical database todays radical new breakthrough of information is yesterday's empirics scientific proccess demands new data see the light of day otherwise it's not scientific - it's dogma Scientists do this everyday - see something new that doesn't mesh with older outdated findings Nessie want's the newswire to be a wiki insted of a dynamic news gathering peer reviewed process ; em·pir·ic (ĕm-pîr'ĭk) n. 1.) One who is guided by practical experience rather than precepts or theory. 2.) An unqualified or dishonest practitioner; a charlatan. adj. Empirical. [Latin empīricus, from Greek empeirikos, experienced, from empeiros, skilled : en-, in; see en–2 + peirān, to try (from peira, try, attempt).] TO TRY
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"different media . . . you can't compare" That's a straw man. I'm not comparing media. I'm comparing credibility.
Credibility cannot be determined by popularity. See: http://www.datanation.com/fallacies/pop.htm
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you think so? You were comparing them to begin with.
Look, I just believe that limiting the menu to what certain groups approve of, is unwise. :>)
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"You were comparing them to begin with." Learn to parse. I did no such thing. I merely pointed out that less credible media gets a larger audience. In fact, the correlation is so strong that it almost implies a causal relationship.
>Look, I just believe that limiting the menu to what certain groups approve of, is unwise. Does that mean you think it is wise to provide a soapbox to our enemies?
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a double cheeseburger, fries and a large peer review please audio: MP3 at 694.1 kibibytes > Credibility cannot be determined by popularity
it can be by peer review however say it with me; P-E-E-R _ R-E-V-I-E-W > certain groups approve of it's not a question of approval - it's a matter of PROOF lacking proof it's a waste of time, bandwidth and credibility Nessie want's no peer review because it would expose when he's wrong Sheepdog wants no peer review because it would expose when he's wrong see a pattern ?
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dangit the SF template is not that used by the readership.You wouldn't want me there.
It's constained to acceptable authors and posts that seem to me as a defensive and stationary posture. Not ever good tactics. No doubt you're well dug into operating procedures on troll abaitment. Good for you and let's see if it takes off. I believe in aggressive counter attacks to the current dogma and echo babble. You can't think for me and I can't provide the comfort of depending upon your attitudes about creditability.
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"You wouldn't want me there" If you tell the truth, or pass along the truth somebody else has told, don't promote values contrary to those of the Global Justice Movement, write coherently, and don't use the capslock, you're welcome to post. Everyone is welcome to read.
For SF-IMC content is everything. We aren't here to cater to the egos of our writers, but to inform and educate our readers. It's not BBS, a debate club or usenet. It's a news site. It exists to provide news and analysis by, for and about activists of the Global Justice Movement, their friends, their allies and their potential friends and allies. It is not for anyone else. It's particularly not for racists, homophobes, misogynists, warmongers, profiteers and apologists for exploitation and ecocide. We're aiming for quality, not quantity. If you're not willing to practice the basic principles of journalism, and adhere to the ideals of the Global Justice Movement, then no, we don't want you to post, nor will we let you, so don't waste your time or ours. But if you want to contribute hard, verifiable news and cogent analysis from the Global Justice perspective, then yes, we do want you to post. So it's up to you.
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' The number of readers is irrelevant' you think so?
I tend to disagree. Shouting down a well does not awaken the public. Also, this forum will ALLWAYS be under attack and the enemy as well as ourselves know the very concept of open information channels, so soon to arrive and bringing the specter of historic upheaval, with this infant technology is going to be under direct physical assault. Our window is small and the ammo has got to be poured on. You were never in, were you? Once the target is acquired ( and in this case it's outrages of criminal system as well as the goon squads and weasels and moles that attempts to silence ideas or the obvious or not so obvious attempts at psyops or disinfo and even issues that may be uncomfortable to members of our brotherhood/sisterhood ) I do believe quantity outweighs the merits of controlled and constrained, slow moving posts. Firepower kills. It does have to be accurate and strike the selected targets. That's a metaphor. :>) That's why I think we could attempt a fusng of the various IMCs that wish to participate in an overwatch of editing that are respectful of the selected guidelines. What do you think?
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WAR IS PEACE - IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH under attack
the enemy physical assault ammo target Firepower strike targets war-like conflict based reasoning skills information warfare things are fine the way they are now - the "heat" can stay where it is, peer review is working great here, the most "heat" we get here is FROM nessie's neck of the woods problem-reaction-solution nessie causes most of the problems himself via his personality DEFECTS problem; 1.) heavy-handed never wrong/always right hamfisted secret expert panel supported censorship 2.) taboo subjects leaving the field wide open for trolls reaction; 1.) the heat spreads here -pretends A.) it's everywhere, B.) peer review doesn't control it 2.) all-or-nothing, military war-like confrontational fear mongering framing/rhetoric solution; 1.) pretends the mess that sf-imc is in, is good for other IMC's/movement 2.) rosy future painting with fallback to blaming the trolls - as usual when you can never be wrong SOMEONE ELSE ALWAYS HAS TO BE BLAMED so it's not nessie's fault - it's our fault. A person (obsessed naturally) who has the goods on him - has the DIRT is an even greater danger then actual trolls are. Hence the "absolutely certain" demon shows his face.. SO we have 2 people - neither of which can ever admit they're wrong about anything person A is "absolutely certain" I'm bad person B says "I lie alot" neither have provided even *a shred of evidence* to back this up - we're expected to take them on their word - person A's word consists of an secret expert panel of "friends" person B's word consists of papers destroyed in a huge explosion both use war-like confrontational all-or-nothing rhetorical framing, both demonize those they disagree with - attack the messenger rather than the message, both are AD HOC practitioners "whizzard", "sick", "lying", "pathologically obsessed" > What do you think? I think nessie & sheepdog should get together as a team - they were made for eachother
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"Shouting down a well does not awaken the public." (1.) Neither does shouting lies from a rooftop.
(2.) If we wanted to reach a large audience, we'd be publishing porn and celebrity gossip. That's not what we are trying to do. SF-IMC is not broadcasting. It's narrowcasting. We are aimed at a *very* specific audience, activists of the Global Justice Movement, their friends, their allies and their potential friends and allies. It is not for anyone else. We're not "spraying and praying." We're aiming.
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don't need porn or gimmics. The LA board was very active with a huge audience before the flame wars and elimanatable noise overwhelmed the staff with guideline violations and they closed the comments page.
Could have used some help then for sure, Lies from the rooftop. That's why we have an active audience. When we have weasels defending trivializing or providing phony data or logic to suppress such issues as DU global contamination or the prevalent use of aerosols over our cities, for sinister reasons. there should be open discussion. The subjects come up in our lives and our children's lives. So when team Hex/fresca/Simple Simon/Bush Admirer or other jump into the forum for their own ends, it's open season.
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narrow thinking yields narrow results > publishing porn and celebrity gossip / narrowcasting
one extreme or another - yet again while broadcasting I take the risk of the signal reaching people who don't like progressive values - they are free to call the FCC and complain so I risk having them show up at my door with loss of equipment, fines even arrest. Yet also reach out to people of alike mind - people all too commonly who lack a computer/internet. In some cases I end up burning the shows to CD for them (a few don't even have a CD player only a radio) This outreach isn't presented on MY terms - it's on theirs. The only other media I could offer are newsletters/flyers IT WOULD BE NICE if IMC offered these in a consistant comprehensive format (PDF's you have to have printed up from only selected IMC's, replicating the effort, by "unknown" persons like myself doesn't quite cut it, a world-wide web hit making effort that has wider impact along with printouts/copies on a mass scale already being handed out publicly is needed) Risk is part of the game - I take the bad with the good for the cause of social justice.. Narrowcasting represents the polar opposite of this spirit - being exclusionary, elitist, closed In such an atmosphere risks are blown all out of proportion, while the benefits of a wider reach are ignored first we need to "win this war" which necessitates getting the general bulk of the population involved - major outreach then next thing we know it's "narrow", narrow scope, narrowly defined for a narrow set of values aimed at a narrow audience double-speak, blowing smoke up our asses, wasting time I doubt sf-imc has 30,000 patrons, I doubt any of them DON'T have internet access... ps - I can up that to 80,000 by raising my power and antenna or adding more sister stations (or both) IF OTHER PEOPLE did this too... but no let's just have a web site among 64,000,000,000 other websites accessable only by spending money & time (computer & internet access) while Mr. average Joe simply tunes in a signal on the air to get his news - for free, with a radio he already has then pretend that website will "win the war" of reaching out to the TAX BASE that the whole success or failure of the movement hinges on, *if only even more people can be excluded from that website* or worse yet spread this dysfunction to other like websites YES ! "narrowcasting" is where it's at ! Scared child-like feeble attempts to stay safe for the sake of - nothing important - where monsters abound and the enemy is everywhere - where the *people we are trying to reach become the enemy* whenever I say so for whatever reason I can make up.. You know nessie I have more courage than 10 of you put together - while I risk everything everyday to reach out to "enemies", you're busy thinking of ways to be even more narrow and exclude even more people for your 1 in 60 billion web sites - there's only a handful of pirate stations *especially one's that have been on the air for as long as I have* - I've been broadcasting since the 70's, and started collecting the same data IMC deals with on the internet in the mid 80's (from BBS's then a UNIX shell) I was attracted to IMC in 2000 because I saw them posting the same stuff I already have in my archive.. Started streaming, airing and saving the Studio X programming, have thousands of like radio shows archived, did most of it on dial-up too.. Now your getting narrow(er)
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want some flaked cheese with your whine ? > DU global contamination
I posted FOIA documents proving this to be false > or the prevalent use of aerosols over our cities No data to support this has EVER been presented, matter of fact 80 % of these claims come from one person and one geographical area. Most recently, you caimed the proof was all lost in the OKC bombing > there should be open discussion. this IS open discussion - POST YOUR *PROOF* > team Hex/fresca/Simple Simon/Bush Admirer or other I'm not connected in any way with Ned & Clara or Jerry other then to expose them. I represent traditional hard science on here - all claims and accusations need to be supported with DATA Lacking such data your posts amount to nothing more than flake shit, and by posting it over & over while neglecting said data, amounts to spam. I don't control anything on here - I don't have my finger on the delete button like nessie does - any action that happens is strictly due (if connected to me) to the weight of my words and most importantly URL's - proof. For this situation to change ; 1.) post proof 2.) provide proof you are NOT drawing patrons to your COMMERCIAL WEBSITE to sell them trinkets and info, by posting who you are (if not billder) My datamining says you are - prove otherwise
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tell you what, Hamsted You post proof you're not fucking my sheep. They keep complaining about you.
Otherwise yer shit is weak and I notice you never provide links to any of the things you've said I've said. Your data mining is weak 'cause you have me confused with someone you say shares certain words or phrase groups I use, again w/o links or other references. And you are the slut king of rabid accusations. Your list of BS is amazing and you can't even remember what is going on. In short, yer weak. Blow me.
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sheepdog explodes again > fucking / shit / slut / BS / Blow me
so much for open discussion - nice proof you have there alternates between whining and cursing You know Ned, Clara, Garry and Jerry aren't too happy with me either - for that matter neither is nessie.. that's 6 people I've managed to piss off - BUT, latest comments are back, spam is low, crashing has stopped and trolls are on the run I guess I can live with the stigma...
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thatt was not an explosion I have a few of them from my Mr. Whizzard.
The Hex Files. Please stay tuned. :>) Another thread? Hey, SF, what do you think about a meeting between IMCs? On guideline enforcement assistance?
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LOL! " You know Ned, Clara, Garry and Jerry aren't too happy with me either - for that matter neither is nessie..
that's 6 people I've managed to piss off - " Yeah except for the fact that Ned, Clara, garry (a new one!) and Jerry only exist to post on this board in your imagination. Sorta like your schizophrenic 9-11 theories.
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the spam king wants to fly again > Another thread
I already challenged you to post your proof - right here, right now And the subject is the message, not the messagener. Your best attempt was DU - FOIA documents proved you dead wrong http://thememoryhole.com/nukes/dod_nuke_emissions.pdf > guideline enforcement assistance translated ; please let me spam the newswire with flake shit linking to my commercial website so I can sell "bio-rings" and fake antiques (like I've already done 250 times)
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Lets light a floating candle... The original post that started this thread says... "Indy Media will succeed in bringing together both left and right..."
That's a crock. IMC isn't about bringing anyone together. It's about advancing Socialism and the destruction of capitalism. It's about the defeat of the concept of the individual and the creation of a Welfare State where every single individual is forced to suckle at the teet of Mother Government for their daily survival. IMC is about the lowest common denominator and an infantile jealousy of high achievers. IMC is about pan nationalism and a One World Government under the United Nations. IMC is about making everyone the same... Where everyone makes the same amount of money, lives in athe same kind of home and is 'provided for' in exactly the same way by the Great Nanny State.... it's about removing all differences and making the world grey. IMC is the opposite of a noble cause because it seeks to destroy rather then create.
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"Hey, SF, " > what do you think about a meeting between IMCs?
On guideline enforcement assistance? Good idea. Write to me. This is better discussed in private.
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that's NAFTA, CAFTA etc. except for the only good part, the socialism.
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"gumby" your rhetoric just gave you away Militia of Montana Page
MILITIA FEVER The Heritage Foundation David Icke THE MILITIA MOVEMENT Midnight Cry Ministries http://www.freerepublic.com http://www.unitedrepublicansofcalifornia.org William Cooper Stars and Bars The Heritage Foundation http://www.traditionalvalues.org http://www.freerepublic.com Friends of Liberty The Patriots Page KKK-FORUM The Firing Line http://www.freeworldalliance.com End Time Now Militia_paper
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sure, SF, I'll drop you some text This, however is a matter that is best developed between your respective collectives. I'm just an annoying dog but I do, however like to be informed and involved.
As does the legitimate readership. This is a very critical issue that is also very sensative. The potential for being a wedge issue is all too apparent. As is the nature of the protocol in editing. Co operation and response to requested assistance is important. The IMC network still needs to evolve with such programs as mutual assistance and updates on IMC problems and solutions with action plans, either confidential or public, in the intrests of creditability. Like I said, I'm not a member, just a contributer and author.
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"I'm not a member" That's part of IMC's problem.
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sure, I'll drop you $ 100 > creditability.
you wouldn't know what credibility was if it came up and bit you on the ass > I'm not a member, just a contributer and author. your a spamming liar and abuser - nothing more
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?HEX ?EXPLODES!!! was that a sneeze?
Wipe your nose now.
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oh and keep away from the sheep
I found thisphoto of Hex's ( with my datamining 'rabid weasel spider roto mawl program' { it uses cascading vector addition to produce a traveling wave that causes furious burn paths after it flashes the victim file with scalar EMP [ with secret Tesla technology] and with the 45 acres of super computers hidden in the depths of this @%**!! mine, can pick up by pirate patches into NSA decripted down links from the data burst as the circuits fry}so I know the data is realo trulo- believe me- no kidding the truth. Sorry about the damage.
Hex ( Mr. Whizzard ) why is this picture on your desktop?.
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sheepdog BLOSSOMS > I found thisphoto of Hex's ( with my datamining 'rabid weasel spider roto mawl program'
C:Program FilesTeleport Propro.exe > believe me- no kidding the truth. http://thememoryhole.com/nukes/dod_nuke_emissions.pdf "believe" this declassified FOIA document still having problems with truth aren't you
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believe me - don't believe me ThePDF file I downloaded was not any FOIA but I didn't examine the download header.
What I got was another file. Directly off that link. The correct file, the FOIA still doesn't address ( unless you can show me otherwise) any discussion on contamination plumes or ecological distribution as in food chain or enviornmental issues such as active transport. You are hereby invited to show, from this document the page involved with these subjects. This is a paper on fission reaction products, not DU in a chemical reaction. Nice try.
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I already did high concentrations of Uranium are needed, and only stratospheric events are global
The document discusses what nuclear processes CAN be global, going over the various daughter elements (isotopes) produced *and their effects* you're just too stupid to digest the data - so I also posted a layman's explaination version of it as well - specificly addressing these points we've been over all this before
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oh my no Whizz,
Not fission reaction. And no they (.1 micron and smaller U238 oxide by products from The burning of this material) tend to act lke a solution due to Browneian movement at these particle sizes and don't 'drop out like battery lead' ( para phrasing to be true, and I can provide links and quotes to support this analogy from Hex ( Mr. Whizzard) and travel on the winds, only being reduced by rain and sorting. We get it here.
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this is bullshit this is the 3'rd time now you've brought that up as if it has some magic meaning that gives weight to the idea that the whole earth would have to be one dry dust storm to spread it around globally and even then it would be highly dispersed with the FOIA doc proving high concentrations are required because it's only slightly radioactive
this is now the 3'rd time I've explained it
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don't explode now high concentrations?
Your 'reasoning' is that radiation has to be at levels you concede dangerous. And that would be? 'not very radioactive' 'only a little pregant' 'only a little cancer' 'only a few birth defects' yup.
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little Johnny Little Johnny was in his 5th grade class when the teacher asked the children what their fathers did for a living. All the typical answers came up --- fireman, policeman, salesman, etc...
Little Johnny was being uncharacteristically quiet and so the teacher asked him about his father. "My father's a welfare queen who frequents gay bars. Sometimes, if he gets lucky at closing time and he catches the eye of someone desperate, and if the offer's fair, he'll go out to the alley with some guy and make love with him for money." The teacher, obviously shaken by this statement, hurriedly set the other children to work on some coloring or Play-Doh, and took Little Johnny aside to ask him, "Is that really true about your father? "No," said little Johnny, "He's an editor at the SF-IMC, but I was too embarrassed to say that in front of the other kids."
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"He's an editor at the SF-IMC" He also eats babies, f*cks sheep and worships the devil:
http://www.sfimc.net/news/2002/11/1546540_comment.php#1693585
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oh no why does the EVIL and DREADED 'editor at SF IMC' continue to bask in the glow of his enemy's hate and rancor?
It keeps him warm... :>)
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and pulls the kittens off butterfly wings.. I thought it was "eats sheep , f*cks babies and worships the devil"
silly me
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"f*cks babies" He's very sympathetic to NAMBLA.
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just ask winner Winner knows all about NAMBLA.
Ask him about it.
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I'll tell you Connect the dots. Let Google help you.
nessie Harry Hay "great man" Communist NAMBLA bound together books
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you don't mean Harry Hays was a communist a great man and he bound together books.
And nessie made him do it. I think I read that thread.
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you've got it backwards Nobody forced you to write a fawning schoolgirl piece about a NAMBLA idol.
You simply did. Very telling, no?
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FAWNING!? I can't even begin to comprehend how a writer produces the grand eloquence that one such as yourself has been able to demonstrate.
I mean for a chimpanzee, that is.
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and furthermore He likes dogs.
I like the thing he wrote about being able to trust a dog to love its master enough to die for but still not be able to refrain from eating his sandwich. :>)
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chimps Like, wow, man, I've never been called a chimp before. You're quite the original thinker.
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nap time, Bonzo You can see why mom likes him.
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"your Dad" What a comeback! Must've cost you all your milk money too.
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come back It wasn't me who posted the proud family picture,
I know it isn't your mom cause she is a blond.
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come back It wasn't me who posted the proud family picture,
I know it isn't your mom cause she is a blond.
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jesus christ this whole conversation got ahead of me..
Yes I have seen something about nessie's um- "background" - I didn't know whether it was true or not Looks like more than a few people are unhappy with him (which either he or one of his ghost writers/clones always frames as because it's something he's doing *right*) yet - YET, sf-imc doesn't stand above in any benefit to the social justice movement that I'm aware of SO I'd say it's evidence of something he's doing *wrong* I know he was doing wrong back in the old days on the main IMC (seattle - the original one) because he was doing wrong *to me* Did he change since then ? Did he stop lying at every turn and stop stonewalling ? Or did he just get worse I think his "fans" might have an answer to that.. Seems like the answer lives right here in the comments above.. I mean sure I have a few "enemies" - 1.) Gary (was kobe on here) 2.) Clara (fresca on here) 3.) Ned (bush admirer on here) 4.) Jerry (was daveman on here) 5.) nessie 6.) billder (sheepdog on here) but these are bad people doing bad things sheepdog's caught rabies, now he's chasing me around openly taunting me for the past 2 days so far.. Sorry dawg - "I don't dance"
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I didn't think you were You can't dance.
But you can shuffle pretty.Your friends can't dance either.
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I don't have any friends on here. It's just me.. Whoever's here has nothing to do with me.. I just got here and saw all these new posts.. I was watching "Enemy Image.avi" and decided to check here after it was over..
But sheepdog - you can waste all the time you like posting "I don't believe you" 'till you're blue in the face for all I care. there's nothing I need to prove to ANYONE IMPORTANT that I haven't already.. Like the staff that runs this newswire for example... YOU are NOT important - just because you want to be a big ol' sour puss because you can't freely spam your flake shit.. If you can't post proof to back your shit up, that's your problem, not mine, and not anyone else's here go post on "chemtrail central" some more
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pretty good movie I was watching "Enemy Image.avi" ^
"I don't believe you"
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"why does the EVIL and DREADED 'editor at SF IMC' continue to bask" >in the glow of his enemy's hate and rancor?
See: http://la.indymedia.org/news/2005/10/137910_comment.php#138171 (snip) If I wasn't doing something right, people like this wouldn't trying so hard to discredit me. Experienced activists grasp this immediately and tell me f2f. For reasons that should be self evident by now, they're the ones whose opinions I actually care about. (snip)
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trying so hard to discredit me ....trying so hard to discredit me....
Pathetic. An old fart pushing 60, still trying to relive the unglorious '60's, thinks it's special, because its various communal mothers told it so. William F. Buckley also chases a troll around the world and posts xeroxed spam about COINTELPRO, using "make a shorter link" which is designed for HTML cripples.
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It's like this... You can tell the side someone is on by the tone of their comrades.
Do they sound like people you would trust? Sounds like smashtheleft has a new coworker.
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trust Does nessie come across as someone you could trust?
http://pittsburgh.indymedia.org/news/2004/05/14010_comment.php
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If you reaad this Pitt thread You can see how Hex and Smashy work as a team.
Nuff said.
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designed for HTML cripples I thought it was to hide how he's constantly self-promoting by linking back to his bread & butter pages
(nessie makes money off of IMC the same way sheepdog does - by selling information other people give away for free, and like sheepdog well actually not as bad as sheepdog since what sheepdog sells is almost all worthless Nessie simply collects info that anyone can collect - and without his "taint" applied to it Smashtheleft - hmmm that handle rings a bell
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"Hex and Smashy work as a team" that's BS - I haven't even been to any of those IMC's - I posted a single post on Portland (about AIDS research) when it came up in google and the story wouldn't take so I posted it here & forgot it
Obviously someone else has the goods on him.. Hey sheepdog - maybe if you're real nice to him and keep stroking his ego he'll let you post some of your flake shit.. naw - forget I said it, you're too old
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I'm not "Smashy" nessie thinks I am, however. It's part of building his sterling "reputation" that he throws out names and hope they stick.
He does know who I am, however. I'm pretty much in his back yard. But he's such a mental cripple that he hasn't figured it out. Or maybe he's so "busy" with his authentic journalism. Hold 'em down, "Hex". You more than hold your own against the juveniles, and speaking of juveniles, here's nessie's reference to gardening, which will make more sense to you now. He posted it at North Texas. Note the childish talk: This is great!!! by pointer Wednesday, Oct 26 2005, 9:33am Community gardners rule! And you're not alone, either. Check out the community gardening scene in San Francisco: (link typically given to Feds and spammers and IP harvesters removed - yeah, that's what I said - nessie harvests IP's and sells them to the Viagra spammers too. He needs money for dog food, ya understand). Outta here....
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working on it You're working as a team now, however.
Made a new friend?
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yes Has anyone here ever met Bush Admirer. Do you know what he's like in person?
I would conjure up an image of a Danny Kay clone with multiple goiters, tangled long nose hair, a same sex orientation, and a ripe unwashed odor. I would surmise that Bush Admirer has never been able to hold a job. Just wondering if that can be confirmed.
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Oh sweetest Bush Admirer Poor man I know how you feel.
But @ 65 yo you don't have to put up with it for much longer considering your type A personality. I know I wont miss you.
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No welfare checks friend You see, I don't work for a government subsidized Agricultural concerns Military contractors or an Intelligence agency.
I also work and pay taxes which are drained into these sinks. The local social services dry up like schools and clinics and desperate people begin to commit crimes to survive due to Republican and Democrat NAFTA and son of NAFTA deals that ship jobs, at tax payer expense overseas. Oh that's right you're a Republican. The tax and steal party. Big deal. Proud of the asshole in the white house eh? No wonder.
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Has anyone here ever met Nessie I heard a rumour that nessie doesn't really exist, that it's either a group of ghost writers in capacity of amusement, to gov agents - from a pool effort, to a machine - a chat bot program. I've got a few of them and at times they sound remarkably like him
(babble & dawn in particular) -when I paste nessie's soundbites into babble it goes wild and spits out a long series of nessie-talk afterward.. http://www.lebanon.k12.mo.us/Software/babble.exe (improperly self-extracting zip, rename to zip then extract)
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Oh I forgot to mention The cost of this war in money alone would have gone better spent on any domestic public works, levee building, school upgrades, bridge repair etc.
You know, American interests. Not wall street interests by corporate owners who show no loyalty to their country by avoiding taxes. I think Bush Admirer would be proud of both parties. But I think he's here to manufacture a " difference" between them. Not a good sell, here on this board.
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levee building it just struck me - what bush spent on the war caused a bigger loss then 9/11 when he stole the levee money
bush is worse than the terrorists
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lord what a mess Damn, Bush Admirer, that was a huge heap of horse shit.
I mean Huge. What have you been eating?
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so exactly where did you plagerize this text? No I just think it's a huge load of horse shit.
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a huge heap - of pasted shit hahahaaa
I knew I'd get a reaction outta' BA but that was a real gusher - he must have been saving it up or something cave in - to insanity ? pasted from hmm - http://www.conservativetruth.org http://www.heritage.org http://www.freerepublic.com > Michael, that's a strategic plan for a strategic problem Michael Porter, the strategy guru from Harvard, isn't so sure. ... That's why most strategic planning exercises last at least three months. ... http://www.inc.com/magazine/20051001/handson-strategies.html there's your anwser
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BA's horse shit deconstructed - Whew ! 1. We are at war with militant Islam. That's a war against a culture and not against a country.
This smacks of colonialism and crusades, besides "militant Islam" is an American creation > 2. They started it A.) actually we did - we created it B.) it doesn't matter who started it, it's not winnable > 3. That dangerous culture by defination when you want to destroy a whole class of people based on culture that makes YOU dangerous > 4. Most governments are cooperating to some extent to suppress militant Islam A more accurate rendition would be "most governments are capitulating to our pressure" > 5. The worst governments for supporting and hiding Islamic militants are (or were) Iran, Syria, the former Afghanistan, and the former Iraq. Actually Saudi Arabia is the source, the above merely looks like a wish list for Israel 6. Al Queda and it's collaborators would love to take over oil producing countries / Protecting oil production in the middle east is a world priority, not just a USA priority. "Al Queda and it's collaborators" being entirely an U.S. invention is the boogieman used as the excuse to invade other countries at will - which is why no one is interested in catching him - there's no one to catch. The "collaborators" becomes a catch-all for all the ordinary people pissed off by foreigners invading their country - so they can be less than soldiers "enemy combatants" WE HAVE NO BUSINESS OVER THERE to cook up tasty justifications that go down well doesn't change that fact > 7. There was a clear perception that the US was weak the "perception" (a pysops term, "perception management") of the whole world toward America is sharply worse, the problem here is that only a single aspect of the spectrum of perception is considered, but *all of them* enter into how other people and countries treat us > how I see things / This is my own personal take "How would you fight a serious war against a culture like militant Islam Michael?" "Michael, that's a strategic plan for a strategic problem" wasn't quite personal enough
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A true gem " This smacks of colonialism and crusades, besides "militant Islam" is an American creation "
You win Hex! You win for making the most embarassingly inane and laughably, typical leftist statement of the month. How telling that you'll even lay the fault of the creation of islam (militant islam being historically the same thing) on our doorstep. Is there any evil you WON"T blame the us for? You've really outdone yourself with this one.
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boring >You can see how Hex and Smashy work as a team.
Maybe they are the same person. Maybe they are the same person as this guy: http://sisyphus.gnn.tv/ See: http://anthony.gnn.tv/articles/1702/Why_Katrina_Won_t_Change_The_Media > nessie harvests IP's (1.) The feds harvest their own IPs See: http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/24.html (2.) This is straight out of COINTELPRO. See: http://www.radio4all.org/aia/sec_cointelpro.html Security Practices and Security Culture From "COINTELPRO: The Danger We Face" (snip) An actual agent will often point the finger at a genuine, non-collaborating and highly valued group member, claiming that he or she is the infiltrator. The same effect, known as a "snitch jacket", has been achieved by planting forged documents . . . (snip) >Has anyone here ever met Nessie >I heard a rumour that nessie doesn't really exist Intrepid sleuths have tracked this rumor to its lair. Surprisingly enough, sources say, "nessie" is actually a literary character, a creation of the overactive imagination of a bored housewife in Kansas named Wanda Jean Kominsky. See: http://www.sfimc.net/news/2003/12/1666463_comment.php#1670682 >http://www.lebanon.k12.mo.us/Software/babble.exe F*ck yourself over in three easy steps. It's easy, here's how. Step one: Download a .exe file whose origins you don't know. Step two. Kiss your data and/or privacy and/or money goodbye Step three: Reformat hard drive, reinstall system and start all over again from scratch
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The Washington Post outdid it'self ? Islamic Fundamentalism is a British and American Creation
"The primers, which were filled with talk of jihad and featured drawings of guns, bullets, soldiers and mines, have served since then [i.e., since the violent destruction of the Afghan secular government in the early 1990s] as the Afghan school system's core curriculum. " -- Washington Post, 23 March 2002 (A) According to the Post, these violent Islamist schoolbooks, which "served...as the Afghan school system's core curriculum" produced "unintended consequences." Core curriculum? Unintended consequences? Yes, reports the Washington Post, according to unnamed officials the schoolbooks "steeped a generation in [Islamist] violence." How could this result be unintended? Did they expect that having fundamentalist schoolbooks in the core curriculum would produce moderate Muslims? "Even the Taliban used the American-produced books, though the radical movement scratched out human faces in keeping with its strict fundamentalist code." -- Washington Post, March 23, 2002 What about the new textbooks? Will they "teach tolerance and respect for human dignity" as Honest George promises? To be precise (which may be an unwise move in the New World Order) how will the new textbooks that George Bush Junior is shipping into Afghanistan differ from the old ones? You know, those old books that were also designed at the University of Nebraska at Omaha and also paid for by US AID? You know, those old, un-American books that George Bush Junior attacked for "indoctrinating students with fanaticism and bigotry"? You know, those terrible old books that were shipped into Afghanistan by US AID when George Bush Senior was President? Here's the Washington Post again: "On Feb. 4, [Chris Brown, head of book revision for AID's Central Asia Task Force] arrived in Peshawar, the Pakistani border town in which the textbooks were to be printed, to oversee hasty revisions to the printing plates. Ten Afghan educators labored night and day, scrambling to replace rough drawings of weapons with sketches of pomegranates and oranges, Brown said."] - My emphasis, Washington Post, March 23, 2002 So it appears that the only change is that some violent pictures have been removed from the printing plates and some fruit has been added. There is no indication that the texts have been changed. What does a non-fundamentalist Afghan educator think about the new schoolbooks? "'The pictures [in the old schoolbooks] are horrendous to school students, *but the texts are even much worse,'* said Ahmad Fahim Hakim, an Afghan educator who is a program coordinator for Cooperation for Peace and Unity, a Pakistan-based nonprofit.'" -- (My emphasis, Washington Post, March 23, 2002) So the Untied States government is right now shipping into Afghanistan millions of Islamic Fundamentalist schoolbooks whose texts, according to a non-Fundamentalist Afghan educator, are not just "horrendous," they are "much worse." Saudi Arabia also contributed to the creation and nurturing of militant Islam - "the economic and political environment in Saudi Arabia contributed to the creation and nurturing of militant Islam"
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F*ck your school over
http://www.lebanon.k12.mo.us/Software/babble.exe
> F*ck yourself over in three easy steps. It's easy, here's how. become a paranoid as the answer to every problem infect other's with your paranoia paralyse yourself with fear and expect everyone else to
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dependable as an atomic clock nessie again, for the 12458743562.125412547 gazillionth time, posted spam about COINTELPRO.
Where would we be without such a mental cripple?
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"gazillionth time" It's still true. In fact, it's more true today than it ever was. If anyone here could refute that, they would. Instead they try to distract your attention with ad hominems. Blah, blah, blah. "Sticks and stones . . ." etc.
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Uh, no Uh, no. The Washington Times really has nothing to do with this as it's irrelevant to your claim.
Islimism has been around a hell of alot longer than 15 or twenty years. And it's certainly been WELL MORE far reaching than simply the development of al queda in Afganistan. No, the koran created militant islam.
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I'm not > distract your attention with ad hominems
let me draw your attention to the fact that you just called a school a virus haven just to demonize (ad hominem) me
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militant fundamentalist Islamism The Washington Times backs it up via investigative reporting - documenting the curriculum
I also have video footage documenting it
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pole not long enough Uh this link
http://www.lebanon.k12.mo.us/Software/babble.exe is a school link? More trap doors. Trust is hard to come by and more difficult to keep. Wouldn't touch a Hex link with someone else's 10 ft. pole. It's too bad about all the time used to TRY and establish a creditable facade. A year or so back we had Traveler boast that he could infiltrate this board by using our ( progressive ) dialogue and we would all be fooled. Now he's tripping over his spud to hold it together. This must be important to some people.
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Lies, and the lying liars who tell them (1.) This is factually incorrect. He's lying. Scroll up the page and see for yourselves.
(2.) Even if it were true, so what?
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ad hominems It wasn't an ad hominem ,and your protest is to change the subject, an old COINTELPRO trick.
Prove that you're not a mental cripple. Be specific. Give examples.
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"Lies, and the lying liars who tell them" The Google cache doesn't lie, but it does. Draw your own conclusions.
============================ http://pittsburgh.indymedia.org/news/2004/05/14010_comment.php "what's posted after is the original," by Oh, really? Sunday, Mar. 20, 2005 at 6:30 PM Google's cache disagrees: http://makeashorterlink.com/?C45B226BA What is actually happening here is that Zionists are attempting to discredit one of their vocal critics. (SNIP inserted here. Note the attempt to change the subject) http://pittsburgh.indymedia.org/news/2005/02/17333_comment.php "What a guy" by you betcha Tuesday, May. 10, 2005 at 8:30 AM The Google cache lies. See what he *really* wrote: http://www.transbay.net/~nessie/ http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/ http://makeashorterlink.com/?M65521BBA
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an old COINTELPRO trick hahahahahahaaa
I posted the schools web page you dolt http://www.lebanon.k12.mo.us/Software/babble.exe just chop off to this http://www.lebanon.k12.mo.us/ and you'll get the web page I just posted I wouldn't touch your brain with a 10' pole ps- k12 MEANS school
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"I posted the schools web page you dolt" I never said he didn't.
What I said was this is a lie: >you just called a school a virus haven Scroll up the page and see for yourselves.
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"I'm pretty much in his back yard." If this is the truth, it proves he's too cowardly to confront "nessie" f2f.
If this is not the truth, he's a liar. Liar or coward? Either way, he's scum.
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I'll go for the liar AND scum effect So this backyard must be fairly large. Even if he doesn't know much about it.
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games and the game players who play them
this is a lie ?
all the stuff in pink describes viral or trojan attack..
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" all the stuff in pink describes viral or trojan attack" He's lying again. All the stuff in pink describes a *potential*viral or trojan attack. Never, never, never download an .exe fro *anywhere* unless you personally know who it came from. Even then it's iffy.
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I'm lying again *potential*viral or trojan attack.
F*ck yourself over / easy / easy Kiss your data / goodbye start all over again from scratch potential notice a slight SHIFT in his position ?
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no I didn't I see Hex has lied like a rug on various threads.
He makes up shit.
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the clock is ticking
 buh-bye_nessie.jpg, image/jpeg, 278x198 My time is short.
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That Smashy
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looka me, Harry! I kin kopee and payst. clap clap clap wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
http://utah.indymedia.org/news/2005/03/10222_comment.php#12229
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copy and paste nessie is highly suggestive. All you have to do is tell that mental cripple to jump, and it will.
http://utah.indymedia.org/news/2005/03/10222_comment.php#12248 thumbworn little book by a spammer from the SF-IMC Monday October 31, 2005 at 11:51 AM See me. See me copy and paste. See me copy and paste the same old shit. See me waste space on every hard drive in the Collective. We expect it from trolls. Why must I as an editor of an indy act like a troll? Why am I not at my own personal sewer? And how's my career as an authentic filler writer coming along? add your comments "copy and paste" by bunk logic Monday October 31, 2005 at 12:26 PM See: http://www.datanation.com/fallacies/style.htm
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I must obey! 
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"All you have to do is tell that mental cripple to jump, and it will."
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sure as clockwork And just where do two of the robotically posted links end up at?
Make a shorter link! The idiot bastard never fails to amuse. C'mon, mental cripple, post something else. You cannot help yourself. Get out that thumbworn little book of links and have at it.
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smashy hates nessie And reading the dribbling garbage smashy posts, I would say this elevates nessie considerably.
Good going, retarded son of Brainiac .
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Sheepy loves nessie 
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of course you're deleted You have nothing but the same crap over and over and over.
I see that you have upchucked all over the board again with your opinions direct from the freeper cesspit.
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Yo, Bush Admirer Tell us your email address so we can practice our free speech rights in your box.
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"Freeper cesspit" But naturally the sloganeering fuckwits who can't come up with anything but the same old "Bush regime" shit over and over and over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and
over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and.... is just hunky dory. Where would we be without robotic fuckwits? (And in all fairness, some indys aren't as harsh about censoring as others. The worst being of course the one run by the megalomaniacal filler writer cum spammer cum pathological liar cum NAMBLA sympathizer known as nessie. Others, run by cretinous adolescents wielding all the editing skills of glass blowers with muscular dystrophy, include the Bay site, Houston, New Orleans, Cleveland, and Victoria, to name a few. I shouldn't be too hard on them, however, because even they know nessie for the asswipe that it is, and they obliterate that freakshow accordingly).
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"megalomaniacal filler writer cum spammer cum pathological liar cum NAMBLA sympathize And that's his good side! What a guy, eh? They sure don't make 'em like that anymore. He even has his own website. Oh yeah, and don’t forget, his mom killed Jesus Christ.
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awwwwww, more copying and pasting from the Special Journalist! Once again the spammer whips out his little thumbworn list of links. How blessed we all are when a mental cripple graces us with it's presence.
And he graced other places with his little book of grievances too! http://utah.indymedia.org/news/2005/10/12184_comment.php Isn't he *SPECIAL*, everybody? He posted under the name of "bunk logic" and copied and pasted even more links from his Book of Grievances™!
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"Bush admirer" Are you talking to me?
I suggest you wipe the Bush groupie glaze from your eyes and again read what I posted. I'm no lover of Leftist asswipes.
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"sticks and stones" Are you trying to say you're not a NAMBLA sympathizer, nessie?
YES or NO?
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In a word, no. But I'm in favor of their having a right to publish. I don't much care for Republicans, either. But I'm in favor of their having a right to publish, too, as long as they pay their own way. Heck, I'm even in favor of Smashy having a right to publish. I just object to his freeloading parasitism. He should pay for his own bandwidth the way he used to:
http://utah.indymedia.org/news/2005/10/12022_comment.php#12224 Now he just sucks neck like a big old tick.
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I'm not I think NAMBLA should be completely exterminated.
There's nothing about them worth debating or discussing. Their total obliteration is the only answer. Same goes for their sympathizers. That's Free Speech, nessie. Look it up.
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freeloading parasitism You mean the way you're a parasite of the Collective?
Tell everybody I'm wrong. Tell the world that you rate any higher than feces in the eyes of the collective.
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Some people love me. Some people hate me. That's life. There's no way I can please everybody. No one can. So I do what I believe in and those who don't like it can go f*ck themselves. Their opinions do not factor into the equation. The only people whose opinions factor in are those who pull their weight.
I pull my weight. That's a lot more than freeloaders like Smashy, fresca, Bush Admirer, and the rest of the parasites who use IMC's bandwidth but contribute nothing, can say. I contribute time, labor and money to make this project happen. They contribute nothing. They're dead weight, who publish at the expense of we who actually work here. We provide them with virtual welfare, and lazy, selfish bums that they are, they accept it. Then they have the unmitigated gall to complain when what they get is not to their liking. Gimme, gimme, gimme. That's all we hear from these bums. We call the the "shirker brigade." They're all take and no give, useless eaters one and all. You can care about their opinions if you like, but include me out.
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welfare queens I understand why you were on the 'Freud" kick for a few days, posting stale stuff about "projection".
You're on welfare, aren't you? You're on the taxpayers dime, and have been for umpteen years, all the while biting the hand that feeds you, and that includes me. You don't have a job, and won't get one, and you'll sit back and pretend you're nuts to continue getting your checks. Yeah, nessie and his dogs are on the dole. nessie is a paragon of "paracitism".
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Damn, I just invented a new word! If nessie can be a sloganeering fuckwit, an adolescent sack of crap, using the invented word "homophobia", then he can also use a newly invented word, invented by me, the Great and Powerful Smashy™.
paracitizen: America hating welfare queens, nessie being a prime example. My word is free to slanize to your fuckwitted content. Use it in Peace™
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"me, the Great and Powerful Smashy™. " He's talking about this, one of his numerous confessions:
http://pittsburgh.indymedia.org/news/2003/11/10972_comment.php#18185 Here's another one: http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/02/1578184_comment.php#1578989
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changing the subject Don't try subterfuge, nessie.Stay on topic.
You're a parasite, aren't you? You're on welfare. You don't have a job. You live at the indy, right? Or is there a "union mission" close by? You know, soup and a cot? Don't post from your thumbworn little book, nessie. Answer the question with a YES or NO.
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Actually, I'm self employed. Let's take a poll. What y'all think Smashy does for money?
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no changing the subject allowed The cogent analysis and no bullshit continues. We're staying on target, which is you. What kind of employment can you possibly have outside of living at an indymedia? Unless perhaps you're a male prostiture, selling himself? I dunno, even someone like you might make a good living in Sodomite City. Yessir, SF is THE place to be if you're a bug chaser.
But I digress again. So what do you do, nessie, if not whore? Peddle child porn? Scrivening a paen to Harry Hay was certainly a way to advertise, wasn't it? Or maybe you are a dope pusher? Well, whatEVER you are, you couldn't make a nickel off of writing, because, and this is no joke, but you are pathetic at it. Nobody truly cares for hate filled juvenile screeds, no matter if it's you or Morford or Savage or Rall, and as bad as they are, you don't even come close. By the way, you're overdue on your COINTELPRO spam. Whip out the thumbworn little Book of Paranoia™.
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I post to myself 
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"So what do you do, nessie, if not whore?" If that's not a straw man, where *exactly* did I say I wasn't a whore? Be specific.
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"hope pusher" It's a "hope pusher", don'tcha know? Gosh, makes an adolescent and highly suggestive body get all wet and gooey, don't it?
Yep, you're a welfare queen, bitching and moaning on our dime. How about you try that at the indymedia in Cuba or China or North Korea, asswipe? What's that you say? There's no indymedia there? Well, I'll be damned. You really *are* special, aren't you? You get to be a sack of shit Nazi child predator and get paid by the government you hate too! Ain't life just ducky, NAMBLA boy?
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"Ain't life just ducky" Yup, it sure is. It's getting funner by the minute, too. And the second or third best part is all I gotta do is goad him a little once in a while and this fool runs all over the world telling people to pay attention to me. No wonder our server gets over loaded sometimes. There's people in Mumbai, Jakarta, Manila, Zagreb, and who knows where else, that never would have even heard of "nessie" or SF-IMC, and now they think we're famous. And the first thing they learn is what kind of enemies we have. People are known by the kind of enemies they make. Better enemies than we have are really hard to imagine.
Especially Smashy. What a guy.
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thumbworn nessie-ism's You did it again, Brainiac. Jump, fool, because I said to!
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"Mumbai, Jakarta, Manila, Zagreb" If only Jennifer Whitney would have given you even a cursory glance, but she didn't. So you end up posting to yourself, just to get publicity of any kind.
http://utah.indymedia.org/news/2005/10/12184_comment.php#12299 Who knows, maybe SmashTheLeft was all a figment of your demented imagination.
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Remembering My Porpose ...Here at Indymedia...
Flipper was a good mammal. We will miss him. Not only are nessie's admirers making this one of the longest threads in the history of LA IMC, but after answering their own posts in some death grip (Gripe) involving a scale covered imaginary Scottish beastly, they continue to display an obsession bordering upon the absurd. I had no idea the scale of this fetish for someone we would have seldom heard of here . Good going. You individuals are showing a whole different audience just how uncomfortable this guy makes you. And how asinine you can be. Saves our side much trouble showing the mental illness normally reserved for your compatriots, fresca, BA and so forth. Kinda like an auto pilot circumnavigating in Bizzaro World.
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you SHOULD be uncomfortable, Brainiac You should be *very* uncomfortable that someone with control of an indymedia promotes child molestation, but instead choose to be a sycophant, which speaks volumes. There is no middle ground when it comes to our children. Either you defend them or you side with regressive animals which need destroying.
child predators are great men Father of 'Gay Rights' Dies; Media Ignore NAMBLA Connection 10/30/2002 yes, he was a great man He was a great man. cogent analysis Liz by nessie Saturday November 30, 2002 at 04:47 PM nessie: Who are you and why are you here? Liz: My name’s Liz Highleyman and I’m here, basically because as long as I’ve known about him I’ve admired Harry’s work, especially his radical politics and his uncompromising nature. I’ve had some disagreements with him over the years, in terms of the nature of . . . the nature of . . . (apparently she couldn’t think of one off the top of her head, which says a lot about both of them, right there) I think it’s great that Harry was able to build the family he did. The Radical Faeries are a great bunch of people, and let’s hope that we can bring his uncompromising into the work we do. Apparently a mental cripple sympathetic to pederasts couldn't see that perhaps she was struggling to bring up the NAMBLA connection, but decided against it? Where would we be without "authentic journalists" who inject their sense of schoolgirl wetness into everything?
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another dime Wow.
That was Great! I'd say the energy I've spent (minimal) typing a comment causes an avalanche of response, multiples, no; exponentially orders greater! On the road to carpal tunnel, you are way ahead of me. Now you go on. Your turn. :>)
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I will OBEY 
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lazy bastard Lazy bastard. Or maybe the blood supply to your fingers are being restricted though inflammation.
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"lazy bastard" You're not talking about the Authentic Spammer™, are you? You know, the Queen of copying and pasting?
COINTELPRO make a shorter link ad hominems changing the subject forgeries projection incoherent analysis etc, etc, etc....
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Inflammed Could be more than the blood supply to the fingers being restricted.
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"Inflammed" "inflammed"
You wanna try that again, Brainiac?
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pot/kettle/black > COINTELPRO
>make a shorter link >ad hominems >changing the subject >forgeries >projection >incoherent analysis >etc, etc, etc.... See also: "fellators . . . infantile . . . ragheads . . . wet the bed . . . baby raper . . . piss . . . schoolgirl . . . piece of shit . . . Anus of the Universe . . . child predators," etc.
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"heard it before"
Yes, you've heard it before, NAMBLA boy, and you'll hear it again. Why?
Because I can, asswipe. We all know that despite your pathetic strategy, I'm under your skin, and under it bad. You chase me around the world, when a cardinal rule is don't feed the trolls. But you do. You're a control freak who is out of control. You cannot stand the fact that I can slap you around, and I do it so very well. Every time you rear your feces coated head, I bat you down like a Whack-a-Mole. Pretend all you want, asswipe, but I am in control of you, and everyone knows it.
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asswipe, fuckwit, feces Someone is slapping themselves silly. In an anal way, in front of everyone.
Making nessie look better all the time with their obsession with NAMBLA.
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revealing The comment from SheepDog about "obsessions with NAMBLA" is very telling.
NAMBLA needs to be destroyed, yet a burned out druggie freakshow sides with a pederast all the same. Very telling, asswipe.
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"Whack-a-Mole"
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isn't that special? That explains why a pederast follows me all around the world, neglecting it's duties as an Authentic Journalist™, ain't that right?
Which begs the question - since you're here, responding because you cannot help yourself, (I must feed the trolls), have you made all your deadlines, Authentic Journalist™?
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"help yourself" Who could resist so much fun?
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fun So your deadlines have been made, right?
So let's see some links to your latest and greatest opii, not the stale hate filled shit of yore. Let's see nessie the Authentic Journalist™ at it's....retch.... finest.
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nice photo, Zippy But I'm certain with your over compensated inferiority complex, your dick is
about the size of your little finger.
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"So your deadlines have been made, right?" If Smashy had been paying attention, he know that "nessie" is an editor now. He doesn't have deadlines anymore. Now he sets them. Or at least he could if he wanted to. So far, it hasn't been necessary. Timely material has been flowing into SF-IMC in abundance.
See for yourselves: http://sf.indymedia.org
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um, sure, whatever you say Still trying to compensate for Jennifer Whitney ignoring you completely?
Time for you to play Freud again, asswipe. Lay down on the couch and tell the world how you feel since gehrig got mentioned and you didn't. And how about the Bay site, which exists in large measure because you're such a troublemaking old fool? Don't get me wrong, asswipe. The Bay site is almost as much a sewer as your precious SF, considering the stupidity of their "editors". I have to concede that Whitney must have been as drug addled as SheepDip when she made that choice. Be that as it may, I know it blew a hole in your bloated, yet tissue thin, ego.
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Quote of the day http://makeashorterlink.com/?E27754E1C
(snip) "And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you." (snip)
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wow, that really set me straight But nessie doesn't sow discord, does he?
Better to hang a millstone around the neck, NAMBLA boy....
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another qoute
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more of the same, obviously
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I have no purpose  I am utterly useless, a washed up talentless backwater hack, and a child predator.
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"mega street cred" Word on the street is that nessie's brain would sell for about the same price as pre-owned piss.
http://utah.indymedia.org/news/2005/03/10327_comment.php "Can you see your pathetic reputation . . . solidifying even more?" by since you asked . . . Thursday October 20, 2005 at 08:41 AM As a matter of fact, yes. If the fan mail is any indication, the very fact that "nessie" is the target of a smear campaign is providing mega street cred in the only circles that matter.
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you got that right if smashy hates him, he _must_ be cool
la.indymedia.org/news/2005/10/137433_comment.php#138749
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"must" be cool Yes, that's right - second hand piss is kewl.
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