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by Janet C. Phelan Sunday, Aug. 15, 2004 at 10:45 AM
(213) 861-6139 P.O. Box 2941 Venice, CA 90294

Attachment C...
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Public Extermination Project

by Janet C. Phelan Wednesday, Aug. 25, 2004 at 12:58 PM

Ms. Phelan is obviously onto something. DWP is constantly talking about "reclaimed water" with all the chemicals in it and putting all this pipe in the ground, it's pretty obvious that there's a parallel distribution system to provide good water to sections of town and bad to others. Guess who gets the good water? With flouride (rat poison), chlorine (chemical warfare agent), other "treatment chemicals" (highly toxic acids and bases), along with chemicals in "reclaimed water" it's obvious that DWP is putting poisonous, mutagenic water into the drinking water to affect changes at the behest of the New World Order. As you know, Bush is from Skull and Bones and therefore a high level member of the Illuminati. This doesn't bode well and is why I only drink pure rainwater. Do you understand Mandrake?
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Public Extermination Project

by Janet C. Phelan Saturday, Nov. 27, 2004 at 5:23 PM
TX

I live in the Dallas, TX area and have noticed this same activity for 2 years: Richarson, Garland, Sachse, Wylie, Dallas, Plano. What made it noticable was that construction started by schools first: elementary, middle. Then moved on to neighborhoods, mostly those of middle to low income. Seemed very strange. When coupled with the info in your article now seems to make sense.
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Public Extermination Project

by J Johnson Saturday, Nov. 27, 2004 at 5:25 PM
TX

I live in the Dallas, TX area and have noticed this same activity for 2 years: Richarson, Garland, Sachse, Wylie, Dallas, Plano. What made it noticable was that construction started by schools first: elementary, middle. Then moved on to neighborhoods, mostly those of middle to low income. Seemed very strange. When coupled with the info in your article now seems to make sense.
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STUART HASSEL

by STUART HASSEL Friday, Jan. 07, 2005 at 11:37 PM
StuartHassel@aol.com

I heard the interview with Eben Rey and have further read on this website. Now what? I'm feeling very touched, empathetic and motivated. I want to help. What can I do? - Stuart
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Mr.

by Bill Phillips Tuesday, Jun. 28, 2005 at 5:56 PM

Service lines going to every building have a valve to shut off the water supply when needed. Service lines also have water meters, many of which are remotely read through radio waves by a drive-by or central computer. Spiniello's contracts and the blue-prints are readily available by requesting them from the project owner.

This article is based on some serious delusion, lack of basic understanding how water systems work and lack of logic. If someone wanted to contaminate the water supply they would do it at the plant or just downsteam from the plant, not at every building. There are 15 million people in the LA metro area. Why would someone try to tap into every service line when they could just connect to the mains?
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Disregard Phelan, Disregard Thatcher Collins...Mr. Nascar Knows What's Best!

by Roberto Chicago Tuesday, Jun. 28, 2005 at 8:31 PM

Well, we should certainly all agree with arch-skeptic "thatcher collins."

A municipality seeking to quietly install the ability to shut off--via remote control-- any residence's or neighborhood's drinking water....why, that's even less convincing than a chemtrail!

And certainly Ms. Phelan's information is suspect or even totally worthless because her literary style or grammatical precision does not appeal to Mr. or Ms. " thatcher collins."

We can always depend upon the thatcher collinses of the nation to scoff at every "conspiracy theory" which threatens to disturb their blissful afternoon nap.

For my own part, I was more disgusted by Phelan's recounting of how the Santa Monica water department invoked the ridiculous "homeland security" mantra...than I was alarmed by the news that S.M. is installing parallel carrier lines and remote-control spot shutoffs.

Despite the imminent threat to the quality of our post-brunch siesta, whenever we hear "sorry, can't tell you because of homeland security" our cerebral bullshit alarms should begin to wail.

The trouble is that for every redoubtable, critical-thinking Phelan, there's at least 144 smugly self-assured "thatcher collinses" who bridle whenever any dissonant news or notion threatens to blow a little grit onto their next glorious three-foot submarine sandwich repast. AM radio puffball/faker Art Bell's recent attack on all 9-11 skeptics is a fine example of this sub sandwich protectionism reflex.

The rooster can crow all it wants in the morning; if Farmer Brown has wads of cow dung stuffed into his ears and a pillow held tightly over his eyes, the new day--or a tornado-- will catch him snoring and unprepared..

Yep, we must agree with the excellent thatcher collins...to hell with alarmists and "chemtrail" paranoids! Let's look to a few of the many examples of paranoid alarmism in recent history, and see what fools the Chicken Littles of the world have been....

* So what if Pol Pot was quietly passing out thousands of axe handles and sledge hammers to his cadres, and setting up mysterious confinement camps in the hinterland?

* So what if the U.S. so-called Supreme Court rules that Wal-Mart can conspire with any corrupt municipal government to raze an entire street of apartment buildings, and turn the land those apartments formerly "blighted" into a superstore parking lot?

* So what if those thick-necked thugs with the toothbrush moustaches and diarrhea-brown home-made uniforms were scissoring rabbis' beards on the formerly tolerant streets of 1930s Berlin?



* So what if the USA's staunchest charity case/blackmailer/ally (Israel) has been repeatedly caught stealing Yankee defense secrets, and passing those stolen secrets on to Murkuh's purported enemies?

* So what if a steel-framed highrise building has never before in history collapsed due to fire...so what if even FEMA and NIST offer no explanation for the neat little falldown of WTC #7?

*So what if (un)depleted uranium has definitely been found to cause cancers and birth defects in both military and civilian populations present in conflict areas where DU was and still is sprayed about by Our Courageous Freedom-Bringing Troops?

*So what if the DEA decides ( in order to better justify its criminally useless existence) to attack, terrorise, and imprison random, critically ill people in the name of the mindless-but-profitable-for-some War On Hemp?

*So what if frail, befuddled octogenarians and terrified little children are now being assaulted by the Big Brother's post-9-11 version of the cattle prod?

*So what if Paul Wellstone's plane crashed in clear, calm weather, rather than the deadly, raging ice storm first touted by the mainstream lickass press? Didn't the worried airport manager _somehow_ take off in his plane, just 15 minurtes after the Wellstones' plane flew directly into the ground? Why hasn't anyone in the lamestream press asked how that airport manager could take off in weather which caused a more powerful aircraft (Wellstone's) flown by two experienced pilots, to crash and more oddly still, to burn into a small pile of white ash?

Any number of "thatcher collinses" in the mass media would urge you to "disregard" all such unrelated informational gobbledegook as conspiracy theory chemtrail stuff, and you know they're right.


As my good friend Mr. Nascar says: that's all conspiracy theorist NOISE, goddammit, and it's hard enough for me as it IS, layin' flat out on this saggy old busted couch, tanning in my TV's opioid moonglow, trying to scope out--beyond the Mt Fujiyama of my rhino-size fast-food belly--all of that hot lil' Paris Hilton as she boogies around on my cathode ray altar. Stop bothering me with your craziness about fluoride, anyways! So what if the guy what introduces that TOTALLY SAFE fluoride into my local water reservoir has to suit up like he's going to walk on the moon??? The American Dental Association says fluoride is good for us. Just like they said serious gum problems from mercury fillings, and allergic reactions, didn't (hardly) (almost totally never-ever) _ever_ happen, even when plenty of peer-reviewed scientific literature proved completely otherwise."

" Jeeze," Brother Nascar sayeth, "listen to Our Leaders and get a grip. You can't go around living your whole life in FEAR...how would you have a good time at DisneyWorld or the Firecracker 500 if you bought into that conspiracy stuff?"

" Lookit: even in the worst case, so what if next Monday the gub'mint announces they're going to levy a 15% War Tax on every single working Murkun, and when we kick up a fuss, they'll just shut down resistance by cutting off our water, via those remote-controlled T-valves? Shit happenz. Now, where the hell'd I put them cheeze-dipt pretzels?"

Taking my cue from Monsignore NasCar, I urge the reader to disregard Phelan, and even to disregard "thatcher collins." Heed instead the comfortable and canny Nascar, and be happy while the world again gradually bursts into flames from Pole to Pole. It's very shortly going to be time for us to revisit 1914 and 1939...the killers among us won't have their destructive urges thwarted as long as the party-hearty/Army Of One crowd.... are the majority of Murkuns.

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you wouldnt know awake if it slapped you in the face

by hail eris Tuesday, Jun. 28, 2005 at 11:07 PM

Dont forget to wear your tinfoil hat, you bad-ass!
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Ahh the hat

by Mr. Kat Wednesday, Jun. 29, 2005 at 1:47 AM

The final, out of gas, retort.
Pissed off is right.
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WELL SAID MR. BROWNING!

by CONCERNED FOR OUR LIVES Wednesday, Jun. 29, 2005 at 2:13 AM

Well said Sir! We do live in a dangerous world with no government representation in Washington DC. As with the article written here, I would have NO DOUBTS that something is taking place in LA. I live in a tiny lil podunk town in Nowhere'sville West Virginia and I've seen contractors all over the place putting WATER LINES in, even clear out in the Boonies on dirt /gravel roads where those people that live out there have perfectly good SPRINGS or WATER WELLS for their needs. WHY??? I sure do smell something rotton, and it ain't in Denmark!

As for you poor misguided souls that think Bush and his neocon Zionist pigs are looking out for your interests, I pitty you in your ignorance. The true patriots of this Nation ARE pissed off at what we can clearly see going on. You need to get off the MSM tit like faux news and check out sources of TRUTH! Hell, the Europeans know more about what's going on here in the USA than most of YOU do. If you have guts enough to get an education, here are some websites to start with.

http://www.davidicke.com
Click on POPULAR HEADLINES.

http://www.voxfux.com-features-stranger_than_fiction
This is a short but quite well documented history of the USA and where and how Zionism affects us today. Every one should read this.




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RE: VOXFUX LINK

by CONCERNED FOR OUR LIVES Wednesday, Jun. 29, 2005 at 2:31 AM
CONCERNED FOR OUR LIVES

The link for voxfux didn't work. Will try it again here. http--www.voxfux.com-features-stranger_than_fiction.htm This link works.
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DWP Fiasco!!

by Michelle Jones Wednesday, Jun. 29, 2005 at 3:11 AM

I find that a great deal of the article is most likely true. What I don't understand is your intent to discredit her. This is purely information, and informative it is. Do you not know the history of the Bushes and Hitler? It seems that we as Americans are walking around with blinders on, refusing to believe that our current government is slowly but surely (unless we raise or antennas and take action) intending to cause our demise. Look,Listen,Pray, and create love through knowledge and information(light). Ask questions, search for answers and intend to help in whatever way possible. the time is NOW!
Peace,
Michelle Jones
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Well water

by A rope leash Wednesday, Jun. 29, 2005 at 3:54 AM

Here's a little story for America's "Heartland".

A few years back, I had a well dug on my family's property to supply my new home. All wells must be tested for contaminants, and ours was tested four times, each time coming up as positive for dangerous microbes.

Thus we were told not to drink , cook, or bathe in the water. Coincidently, the county had begun installing public water lines, and for a fee I could have hooked up to that, but, heck, I had already spent thousands on the well. I don't often drink the well water, but I bathe, shower, and cook with it. No one has gotten ill yet.

But wait, there's more. Another well on the property has been in use since the 1950s. I grew up drinking this water, as did many others in my family. We bragged on its qualities.

Recently, my brother decided to open a restaurant on the property. The health department tested the well water from the old well, and declared it unfit for consumption. They offered no explanation as to why we aren't all dead or sick from drinking it all of our lives. They forced my brother to hook up to the public water supply, at not a small cost. That public water stinks of chemicals, and tastes of them as well.

All of us here agreed that the non-certification of our wells was probably some kind of political ruse. I don't know it there is any conspiracy to drug the population, but I do know this from many years of experience: Folks who live in the city and drink flouridated water have better teeth than those who drink from wells. Conversely, most of the radical thinkers I know live in the boonies, and wouldn't drink public water on a bet.

As for whether or not the t-valve conspiracy story is valid...well, all I can say is that I wouldn't put it past them...
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t-valves

by cheech Wednesday, Jun. 29, 2005 at 4:20 AM

they don't want to "contaminate" the water they want to enhance it where and when they wish. in case you've forgotten, flouridation back at the start was a governmental decision. no public input to the decision was allowed. the amount of flouride necessary to "prevent cavities" is cumulatively poisonous. why do you think we are instructed to spit out flouridated toothpaste? the effects on the mind are more prevelent than those on the teeth! why else did america stand by and watch g.w. bush and co. steal the presidential election and subsequently get re-elected? we all were witness to the fraud but did nothing. lets take the first step in controling our water supply and our minds and demand that the gov't stop flouridating our water. i think you'll be surprised by the gov't reaction to such a request.
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Speak Truth To Power

by JARnex Wednesday, Jun. 29, 2005 at 5:01 AM
jarnex@gmail.com

People are getting annoyed.

Part of it may be as a result of talking until we are blue in the face about the rancid lies eructing freely at every opportunity from the mouths of the Bush Administration, and part of it may be the people who have read about how the 9/11/01 terrorist attacks were carried out by forces within the Bush Administration (this based on FACTS, not magical thinkspeak from Bush, Cheney blah blah blah).

I'd like to float a solution to this to continue the dialogue, and it is not to fight. We can all get angry, we can all get scared, but the continuing attacks on us as humans are within our control. Speak Truth to Power at every stage. I don't just mean in the unlikely event of meeting out beloved leader at a BBQ in your back yard (remember that crap?), but to police, local government, libraries, corner stores who ask for your ID to buy milk...whatever it is. Gather the facts, understand the mechanism and confront it at every stage, ALWAYS. Be loud and proud of who you are, and make sure they hear you. I can't promise that you won't go to jail, I can't promise that you won't suffer abuse. However, when we take ourselves into the mindset of KNOWING what these criminals are doing to OUR country, I wonder what will happen when 500,000 or a million AMERICANS turn up at the doors of power, at the Courts, at the Congress, at the White House, and demand answers? We will know for sure what the intentions are. And never forget, Bush will be just as scared as we are now if we just confront them all the time. There are 290 MILLION of us, and one of him.

Good luck everyone.
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water

by talentkeyhole Wednesday, Jun. 29, 2005 at 5:09 AM
obviously maybe connect the dots

ruffzarfumbra anyone? the government has no hold on me. it's no longer live and learn, but learn and live. the days of winning the hearts and minds of the populace are over. the attack is straight forward. if they come for you it is because you are a threat, be it however small, to the program. be prepared. the psy-war waged against the citizenry of america is almost complete, ushering in the technological implementation of electromagnetic mind stimulation to complete the process. this government is not by or for the people. it is unwavering in its agenda and total in its motivation. in-between no longer exists. you are in or out and both are losing prospects. the insurgents known as "free thinkers" are on the endangered species list and are on their way to extinction. who will succeed? will the will of the american people prevail? or will it be manipulated and used against us? time will tell.
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Concerned

by Suspicions Confirmed Wednesday, Jun. 29, 2005 at 5:11 AM
tone@myway.com 313-580-3414

I have long suspected this was the New World Order's next carnage. I live in Dearborn Michigan and there is the same type of construction and installation of water pipes and such in neighborhoods across the city.

The solution? DO NOT drink the TAP Water, buy bottled distilled water or water from a trusted source.

Anyone with half a brain after reading the numerous coincedental construction going should be outraged and sickened. There is a governmental conspiracy to establish a quasi world Empire/Kingdom, if you are of the feeble minded and Do Not have knowledge of this or you don't believe it you are a POOR soul.

Many people are asleep at the wheel, many good intentioned persons are like walking zombies and oblivious as to what is transpiring around them.

Start speaking up NOW! NOW! Or else these Evil masters will soon get their New World Order and then it will be too late for all of us.

WAKE UP AMERICA!
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Mass assembly

by A rope leash Wednesday, Jun. 29, 2005 at 5:29 AM

I agree with JAR that mass assembly is about all we can do at this point. I'm thinking about The Berlin Wall, or Tiannemen Square.

But, I also think it's too late. Remember the '60s? Abbey Hoffman, Jerrry Rubin. Those movements had leaders. How can we do anything without some kind of leadership and organization?

We are in an odd situation where there are huge numbers of angry people, but they have no real ability to act on it. Our media, for the most part, denies this anger, and acts as if it doesn't exist, so many of these angry folks tend to think they are the minority.

Millions standing in front of the W house will have an effect, but will the mainstream media even notice it?

...and if they do, will it matter to our sold out "representatives"?

The truth is urgent on this point: We must get out there now and make a huge fuss before the madmen in power have the time to take us into another conflict (probably Iran). After that happens, (and hopefully it will happen without another staged "terror attack" on us), we will be hard pressed to fight these nuts in any arena.

Some of these guys with big money , like Soros, or even someone like those Hollywood celebrities who are always complaining about our country, needs to take some of that cash and start organizing the angry into a viable force for change.

I've read around that there's an impeachment march being planned for 9/24/05. Well, impeachment takes too long and really does not address the real problem, which is bought-off politicians of the R or D variety. 9/24/05 will also be way too late, as I suspect we are already at war with Iran, just as we were at war with Iraq months before "shock and awe".

All of us are just hanging out wringing our hands about this. Blogging, speaking, writing letters to authority are all good, but real action is now required. Read your Constitution, read your Bill of Rights. That is your country, not whatever current governent is in power.

We could be heros. Who will lead?

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Why the denial???

by Insurgent Wednesday, Jun. 29, 2005 at 7:17 AM
r_klj@yahoo.com

To all the denyers --

Why is DWP denying the existence of the T-valves, second, why is this information classified?

Nice try to discredit, better luck next time! (must've been the Zionists)
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America Land of the Dumb and Blind

by William Cooper Ghost Wednesday, Jun. 29, 2005 at 7:27 AM

Collin and the other idiots are what I called government disinforments, who discredit people like Janice, who take upon themselves to question the actions of this so called government! She questions, rather than sit there like an idiot and think that her government is looking for her best interest. Americans have no government and no one to represent them. Our supposed Chief is taking us to the bottomless pit of hell and once he see that Americans do not approve of him, he will take an adverse action to keep him in power. Americans do not know or not aware the kind of power a president has in a time of war. America and the World is in the final stages of the New World Order, the only reason it has not hit us is because America is the only country left that bears arms! The UN has taken up the task to disarm America and it's all documented. AMERICA NEEDS TO WAKE UP AND FIGHT THIS TRANNY OF GOVERNMENT! OUR FORE FATHER MUST BE TWIRLING IN THEIR GRAVES!
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Wake Up & Smell The Coffee

by Jon Boy Wednesday, Jun. 29, 2005 at 7:31 AM
pyramus@blueyonder.co.uk Midlands United KIngdon

As a big fan of http://www.davidicke.com I must confess that I thought America and it's citizens were waiting for the sword of Damacles to drop without knowing it was coming, how wrong I was! Well done to all those who beleive G Dubya is an out of control meglamaniac. He is selling the USA down the river but most UK and US citizens seem only interested in what's on the box. We live in a box, we watch a box and we'll get put in a box so why not STOP-LOOK & LEARN. It's all too easy for my mates in UK etc to say " I know there's something wrong, but what can little old me do?". I'll tell them and you folks...WAKE UP, SPEAK UP, that's what. Tony Blair is a mind controlled, manipulated fascist bastard and is as equally corrupt as Bush, he's even sent his son out to the States to learn the ways of the USA government! David Icke is known for his accurate forecasting of unfolding events and in UK more and more are waking up to the reality of life. Resist one world armies, centralised control of government, dump NATO, dump the EEC, keep the dollar, resist all efforts to alienate the Chinese (the illuminati's next Target), say no to personal micro-chipping, avoid goverment vacination proposals (for your safety...yeh right!). Don't contribute to the mind set of the puppets, don't buy newspapers, don't get depressed over negative news or events (they want you to be depressed), stop watching CNN (Claptrap no news) and then , as a priority, go and hug your wife( or partner) and children and tell them you'll love them always. Without them and love in your life you'll amount to nothing. A nation who's citizens love each other is a tough one for any government to control. In the words of Getty, if you want to be successful in any endeavour ( survival and happiness) look at what 90% of the population is doing and then do and say the complete opposite. Let your damn neighbour take the piss and call you a conspiracy freak! He might wake up when 'They' stop showing mind numbing crap on his telly (chewing gum for the masses). Until that time my fellow fighters, fight on and love each other, even though it's hard sometimes. THe Illuminati want fear and hatred, so let's give them bravery and love...no contest there. In the words of our saviour, forgive them, for they know not what they are doing! (or do they?)
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Mr.

by chris Wednesday, Jun. 29, 2005 at 8:05 AM
cw03roma@yahoo.com (512)9195313

They already have food manipulated and in their darkside. water is of course next. But to really destroy us they will have to conquer the air next.... Then we can become week enough to sell as a food source for aliens or whatever.... food water air...at least they cant take the soul.
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Mr.

by Richard Dyer Wednesday, Jun. 29, 2005 at 8:40 AM
rdyer@micmac-nsn.gov

This news about "T-valves" comes as no surprise. You may also be interested in reading a little about TANOX Biosystems. A company involved in creating superstrains of nasty germs & bugs...primarily mycoplasmic renditions of existing strains of influenza, small-pox etc. The Board of Directors is also interesting George HW Bush & James Baker!! Type in TANOX in combination with mycoplasma and you will recieve many hits. These mycoplasms may well be responsible for "Gulf War Syndrome." Remember these people consider us all to be "useless eaters," so to get rid of us means nothing to them...
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Coal miners used a "canary"

by BirdMan Wednesday, Jun. 29, 2005 at 8:53 AM

The coal miners of old used a canary to detect dangerous gases in a mine.

I suggest, if you use public water, to buy the most delicate tropical fish you can find at the pet store. Put him in an aquarium and use it as your "canary".

Change the water frequently in the tank. With any introduction of harmful chemicals in the water, this fish will surely die before you do.
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action

by cheech Wednesday, Jun. 29, 2005 at 9:26 AM

any "uprising" with sufficient numbers that are opposed to, and deemed a threat to national security (which includes any threat to the sovereignty of the government) can and will qualify as a national emergency. the first step for bush is to have it declared so. 2nd, once a national emergency has been declared martial law can and will be instituted. 3rd, in times of national emergency and martial law, elections, to include that of the presidency, can and will be postponed securing bush as president indefinately. not to say that it will happen, but that it can happen. small, scattered gatherings will give bush all the fodder he needs to institute the program of national emergency/martial law in so much as a total picture they represent a collective effort to disrupt government and alter policies forcibly. any movement on washington, and against the bush maniacs must be all involving. all for one and one for all. any half-hearted effort will initiate the end game and god help us from there on.
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Why Not Just Use the Mains? Did You MISS the Point?

by Robert-Harley :Meloy Wednesday, Jun. 29, 2005 at 10:13 AM

Mr. Phillips, the answer to your question, 'why not just use the mains?' is repeated over and over in the article. It's the whole point of the article.

The idea being put forward by Ms. Phelan is that such toxins would be SELECTIVELY applied to SELECTED homes. Not to EVERYONE, just to CERTAIN ones; namely, those who have exhibited a tendancy to challenge or question our gracious fatherland security overlords.

THAT'S why they don't just dump poison in the main supplies, professor einstein. Okay?

As for Thatcher Collins: 1st off, the "skywriting" going on continually right over your head is NOT NORMAL. I realize that's a kooky statement for someone of your erudition; please bear with me & humor those of us who spin silly conspiracy theories. I realize I should simply trust the wonderful track-record of our fearless leaders, who are loath to abuse their god-like powers. (Prosecutors routinely charge people with 'conspiracy to do this' and 'conspiracy to do that'; they literally see conspiracies in every corner, every nook & cranny. Strange that you haven't labelled the nation's prosecutors and district attorneys as delusional paranoids and 'conspiracy kooks'...)
Second, nobody cares about her use, misuse, or lack of prepositional phrases. Her meaning is more than sufficiently cogent to elicit an intelligible, cohesive idea, thrust, gist, theme. Besides, even if a ranting, inarticulate man were to insist the whole neighborhood's on fire, and seems quite sincere, I'm at least going to walk outside and check it out, given the grave consequences if his claims are true. It's called considering the message, not the messenger. Worrying unduly about some purported lack of proper sentence structure (which I didn't particularly notice, myself) seems to be more in the nature of desperately "grasping at straws", rather than a sincere effort to alert readers to the grim danger of meritless arguments. In fact, I believe you yourself are guilty of imperfect grammar/composition when you left out an important word (which instead must be inferred or supplied by the reader) in the first or second sentence of your post. (I would quote it, but then I'd have to go back to the previous page to find it, & my time has value too. Yet I take the time to write this response anyway, because of the potentially disasterous nature of Ms. Phelan's allegations.-see more below) We're all just doing the best we can, Thatcher. You're just another bozo on this bus, just like the rest of us; we're all just doin' the best we can to navigate through this crazy world we found ourselves in. So get off the high horse and join the human race, buddy.
Now, when Ms. Phelan shows you proof (which you do you dispute as authentic and genuine, as far as I can tell) that the city has DENIED the use of these normally innocent valves... that SHOULD at least give you pause, to wonder: 'If these valves ARE in fact perfectly innocent, either inherently, or in any potential application, then... WHY DID THE CITY LIE ABOUT IT?' I realize asking such simple, straightforward questions makes me a flighty tinfoil-hat kook, but hey, whatcha gonna do? This lie is REPEATED in the city's written responses.... not to mention PROVEN to be a lie by the PHOTOGRAPHS of that very valve being used in every single instance available for photographing. Probably just another fantastic coincidence.
Then, when the city AGAIN denies the local equivalent of an "FOIA" request, with their city att'y FALSELY stating that such requests are not for research, when in fact it appears that is exactly what they are for, that should give you FURTHER pause........ but it does not.

And lastly, when the city finally just summarily says, 'Sorry, the valves we use are SENSITIVE information that is protected under FATHERLAND SECURITY secrets".... well, any sensible person of ordinary intelligence should be able to piece together the liklihood of their truthfulness for himself. Once he finds said liklihood to be very low, based on the records entered into evidence & not disputed as genuine, he then must honestly ask himself, "WHY would they:

(a) deny the existence & use of these valves, and then

(b) claim fatherland security protection over the information which would confirm their existence and use or otherwise.
Thank you, gentlemen, for your tolerance of my outlandish raving. I hope my prepositional phrasing was to your liking. If I have misspelled any words, I hope you will not seize upon such errors as an excuse to summarily dismiss any suggestion that our caring, loving warlords are in reality liars, criminals and traitors.

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Something missing

by Skeptic Wednesday, Jun. 29, 2005 at 12:28 PM

What's missing is any indication that Ms. Phelan took the simple step of asking anyone who is both independent and knowledgable about the subject (for example, a plumber who deals with residential water service connections) to look at her photos before she started spinning her tales of remote-controlled poisoning setups and hounding the poor buggers at DWP.

Perhaps she did, and leaves it out of her narrative because informed comment didn't support her conspiracy theory. There's no way to tell. What is certain is that the claims she makes are conclusions drawn in ignorance.

What neither she nor any of the other PCTs on this thread seem to have noticed is that if these valves are intended to be used to introduce chemicals into selected individual service lines, the chemicals have to come from some source. Since the service lines and their associated cutoff valves are buried, this implies the need for a chemical main running parallel to the water mains, connected to the valves which so frighten her and, so that the flow would go in the correct direction, operating at higher pressure than that in the water main.

She does not appear to have produced any evidence of this "poison main" infrastructure's existence.

The whole thing has a pronounced odor of a technically ignorant person jumping to an uninformed conclusion and using the customary backwards "they deny my accusations so they must be true" conspiracist reasoning to reinforce them.

A bit unusual to see such an ancient hidden thread suddenly drawing a lot of comments. It is a rather boring day over at GLP, which is probably to source of all the woo-woos turning up here.
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T Valves

by M.Juan Wednesday, Jun. 29, 2005 at 1:04 PM

How more quick and effective it would be if....
it was a very contagious and deadly virus.....working like that in clusters in cities...Exterminate...nuff said
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Already said

by Brie Wednesday, Jun. 29, 2005 at 2:03 PM
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Because u can control or eliminate dissenters and not others. I am sure those out there with brain cells that the flouride and mercury missed can think of more reasons. The government here is showing signs of labelling dissent as terrorism already. Don't allow it.
Being American means distrusting government. The agenda being advanced is anti American.
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wow

by Brie Wednesday, Jun. 29, 2005 at 2:15 PM

"ascribing near-magical quantities" ...what an uneducated moron, grammatically speaking that is!
I think you wanted "qualities for one thing. Second, she was trying her best to figure out what was being done and admitted to not having all the facts due to fascist secrecy. And she should be argumentative considering how she was treated, including by you I'm sure.
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What a complete piece of bunk!

by Bat Man Wednesday, Jun. 29, 2005 at 2:29 PM

>I have secured a sample directly from a DWP water line. It is simply toxic, causing extreme cardiac discomfort. However, it tastes just like water.

Wow! What a fantastic discovery! LOL!! Did you think to save any for the lab? Or did you just decide to quaff this stuff down before you flew off topic? I am glad to see that people are concerned with known toxic chemicals like chlorine and flouride being added to their water. There are certaintly corrupt things going on with the nation's water supply. But trying to draw a connection between Bush, the Nazis, and your local water project without establishing any proof first is steering straight into kookdumville. And will work only to discredit you.
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Stop and smell the coffee

by Jonboy Wednesday, Jun. 29, 2005 at 3:38 PM

I couldn't agree with you more! Do not be afraid! Fear is what they feed on!

My family is the only thing that keep me going...and most of us are on the same page. When the defecation hits the rotating oscillator, we will not be caught off guard -- Lock and Load!

The globalist are starting to get nervous -- consciousness-raising information wars are going out at lightning speeds and hard to control at this juncture.

The only way they can combat the information that is advancing the globe is by disseminating groups of agent provocateurs and disinformation into the mix to keep people either confused or totally disregard the information as nothing more than a conspiracy theory.

History and knowing some history is key. For instance, knowing about sodium fluoride and that it DOES NOT prevent tooth decay --It accelerates brain decay! Knowledge is POWER.

As I recall Stalin and Hitler both used it on prisoners.

Keeping large amounts of people sedated, either on psychotropic drugs or increments of sodium fluoride are much easier to command and control. If there were great numbers of resistors than they might fear getting caught up in the crossfire.

"When the government fears the people, that is LIBERTY. When people fear the government, that is TYRANNY." ~ Thomas Jefferson

"It is the old practice of despots to use a part of the people to keep the rest in order."
~Thomas Jefferson

May God Help America!

Oh! I would recommend that people who are concerned about their water they should check out:

Big Berkey Water Filtration System!
http://www.radioliberty.com/BigBerkey.html

Checkout these sites for more knowledge. Time is of the essence...
http://www.infowars.com http://www.prisonplanet.com http://www.whatreallyhappened.com
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Independent Researcher

by Myself Wednesday, Jun. 29, 2005 at 4:29 PM
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Those of you who think you can avoid contaminated water by drinking rain water are suffering from "delusions of grandeur" or what ever you want to call it! WAKE UP! Look to the skies! Do you see the CHEMTRAILS!?! Try the website "Carnicom.com" Or "weatherwars.info" and if that isn't enough, just type "chemtrails": into any search engine! There is no such thing as an "Organic Vegetable" anymore due to the fallout from the sky.... Have you noticed that the milky way is not as visible lately? We are being poisoned from above....for what purpose I don't know. Social Security is SAFE!
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A "skeptic" is one who questions, not blindly trusts, canonized orthodoxy

by Robert-Harley :Meloy Wednesday, Jun. 29, 2005 at 11:13 PM

You ain't no skeptic, Skeptic; you're a True Believer.

Perhaps you should reaquaint yourself with the definition of the word "skeptic" in a good standard dictionary. You might then do a comparative study with such antonyms as as "believer", "follower", "lemming", and et cetera.

Skeptic means one who questions everything -- ESPECIALLY hallowed authority and canonized orthodoxy -- not one who blindly trusts the same, even when to do so would require to him to deny his own grandma.

It's as if I'd said, "Ted Bundy just told a fib", and you replied, "Bull! I'd have to see conclusive, indisputable proof of such a claim. You are stretching credibility and defaming his character. Just because it's been conclusively proven that Ted Bundy committed multiple atrocities, killing and eating numerous people, is no reason to now believe he'd stoop to LYING! You better have some solid PROOF before slandering his good name like that!" Problem is, there is no good name to slander. He, like our own soviet socialist American police state, has consistently shown itself to be the worst, most murderous criminal enterprise in the history of the planet.

You might try reading the post above yours by one "Roberto Chicago" titled "Disregard Phelan, Disregard Thatcher Collins...Mr. Nascar Knows What's Best!", whose author lists a small sampling of our government's good deeds over the years. (Unlimited power always seems to bring out the best in folks, doesn't it? Especially when it's all kept as a "just-trust-us" secret.)

You wrote, quite correctly, that "...if these valves are intended to be used to introduce chemicals into selected individual service lines, the chemicals have to come from some source."

Obviously. Did you think Phelan was concerned that poisonous chemicals were going to somehow be "beamed" by "remote-control" matter-teleportation to their respective destinations? Were this elaborate scenario being proposed, then clearly pipelines and valves, no matter their configuration, would be totally superfluous to any extermination agenda. In fact, with such capability, deception and subterfuge would probably be rendered altogether obsolete.

One must have the ability to connect facts (the validity of which I've heard nobody dispute so far, only the facts' significance, the MEANING of their relationships to each other.) Facts must fit; they can't be taken as separate, unconnected items. For example:

Fact #1-City flat-out DENIES "t-valves" are EVER used, in any capacity, for ANY reason, no way, no how.

Fact #2- A photo taken in the La Brea area (which authenticity is not disputed, so far) shows a t-valve part awaiting installment in THAT VERY SAME CITY which had so vehemently DENIED that any such valves are now or ever have been in use.

A subsequent photo shows the same part actually INSTALLED.

Remember, the very existence of this type of valve, anywhere in the City's public works inventory, was CATEGORICALLY DENIED.

Don't try to ignore that, as if it was on some seperate island by itself, & needn't be considered in light of the pictures to the contrary. These two facts, the denial AND its photographic contradiction, MUST be RECONCILED.

Conclusion: The City is LYING about "t-valves" not being used in its public works projects. (How simple, how neat & efficient. Occam's razor.)

Now, this is a no-brainer, folks (unless, of course, you're disputing the validity of these two photographs, and/or the validity of Phelan's letters from the City, etc. If you do, by all means speak up, & we'll get to the bottom of it.).

I find no reason to dispute the facts presented, having found through bitter experience that municipal corporations ooze with corruption from every pore. F'rinstance, does anyone in the world think the L.A. Police Dept. isn't as crooked as a dog's hind leg? (If so, I guess that qualifies them as "skeptics" in the upside-down bizzarro dictionary.)

Having now inexorably reached the above conclusion (provided the photos & letters are undisputed as real & genuine), one is confronted @ this point with a choice, a veritable "fork in the road":

He can either take the next logical step, or...
he can shrink back, retreating into his false sense of security.

Yet the "next logical step" MUST be taken, if he is to be intellectually honest. That step is to ask the question:

WHY, WHY, O WHY did the City:
(a) make such vehement denials on the one hand? and yet
(b) install such very elements, in such a universally widespread manner as to immediately be discovered at a RANDOMLY SELECTED site?

Let's say you worked for the city water dep't. Somebody asks you, "Do you buy pre-manufactured tubing?" ... and you reply, "Heavens, No! We would never DREAM of doing such a thing! I refuse to even entertain such allegations! I won't further dignify your absurd insinuation with a response!"

Most people would think such defensiveness innapropriate to the question. Why? Because there's Nothing WRONG with purchasing tubing, joints & parts; no one expects the city to manufacture their own water pipes.

Such defensiveness usually arises when someone is raising an allegation of WRONGDOING of some kind or another; the more wrong the alleged deed, the stronger we would expect the defensiveness and denial to become in proportion. (In general, that is. There are always some exceptions; why go into those when you have yet to explain the vast majority of non-exceptions?)
This would be true whether such allegation was true, partially true, or completely false; the same sort of defensive reaction in either case would surprise no one, were the allegation sufficiently serious.

But when something IS vehemently denied, and then proven to be true, we cannot escape the logical probability of a criminal deception -- esp. when the (now established) liar is an incredibly corrupt city machine/commercial corporation like CITY OF LOS ANGELES, INC.

(In other words, you just don't see city officials going to such great lengths of deception over tiddly-winks. Doesn't happen.)

In such a case, it is perfectly normal & rational to suspect foul play.... REGARDLESS of whether we've learned exactly HOW something is to be implemented -- or even, for that matter, the overall purpose of the deception.
It is enough to know that there almost certainly must be something horribly wrong being covered up by such a deception... not something warm 'n' fuzzy.

Of course, the "t-valve" idea implies (to me) the idea of seperate FEEDS. I'm not technically inept, I worked on motorcycles for years, replaced auto transmissions, studied planetary gears & differentials, got straight A's in electronics. If I don't know the flow-paths of such-and-such system, I can usually figure it out; in fact, it's usually pretty obvious.

Unfortunately, we CAN'T SEE BELOW THE ASPHALT, and can't even see around its edge from just a picture.

(It would have been helpful if Ms. Phelan had taken a flash-photograph from as far down inside of the hole as possible, at an angle looking upward in both directions, both 'upstream' & 'downstream', so to speak, with the goal of seeing at least what, if any, (& if any, how many) inlets/outlets fed into/outflowed from this sample t-valve pictured after installation.

I'm sure she'd be more than happy to do that very thing, next time, but..... well, there's a problem with that.

Y'see... the City has REFUSED TO TELL HER the Official State Secret of WHERE the public works crews are working!

That's cause they have nothing to hide, right, Skeptic?

Ask yourself: what INNOCENT thing could such behavior be hiding? Probably NO innocent thing! Yet they are hiding SOME thing. So, if NOT innocent & wholesome, what's left to hide?

Something INCRIMINATING.

Now, let's take stock of the story thus far & realize that we ALREADY HAVE ENOUGH info to raise the hue and cry at this point... We don't NEED to have established all the particular details (although I agree that exactly HOW the SEPERATE poison water is conducted isn't just a mere 'detail'; still, forked tongues lying about forked valves inspire the basic idea of a ADDITIONAL, ALTERNATIVE INLET (& its corresponding outlet, to conduct the toxic water on down the line to the next "undesirable").

And since we can't x-ray the pictured VALVE BODY, we don't even know for certain that it's even a "normal" t-valve internally; to suppose it is would be an assumption.

It may consist of totally seperate channels, each with seperate internal valves, joined together to LOOK like a 'standard' t-valve, for example.

Why do such a thing, you ask? Perhaps to allow for TWO SEPERATE, UNCONNECTED LINES to be physically joined together at each service offshoot,(waters kept seperated) yet appear to be mingled as if a single, normal t-valve (if there is in fact such a thing as a normal t-valves for such an application; i.e., public water supply). As for these service lines in front of each house, only SOME of the 'secondary' lines would be RIGGED to ALLOW passage of the 'altered" water through those particular services to those particular houses.

To sum up this idea: the altered water & the normal water could be conducted via what looks like a single conduit, (bundled in a single tubing jacket) but inside are actually two seperate, unconnected conduits.

To expand on this reasonable speculation:

EACH HOUSE would have the poisoned water flow PAST it...... but only CERTAIN ones have a working valve coming off the poisoned line.
Or, alternately, only certain houses have valves magnetically activated by chip from a "remote control" command. Maybe there's even a signal-wire running alongside the 2 seperate, yet single-appearing bundle of water lines, by which two conduct such electrical signals... (although, even I will admit, that seems a bit too elaborate).

Or, it could just be something as simple as the source adding a slight extra pressure to the poisoned line, (remember, this would take place all along the entire line, for blocks or miles, not just 'magically' at certain locations), raising it to a pressure level sufficient to mechanically cause those pre-selected service valves to open, while the other ones are sealed shut, or even dummy valves. That doesn't require any computer chip, "remote control" hoodoo voodoo, or other super-sophisticated technology; its just simple 19th century mechanics, combined with stage magician-style misdirection.

Or, maybe the standard type is already inherently configured (either by design or, more likely, by coincidence) to do the job, and some hotdog figured out after the fact that - "Hey, I just realized it can be rigged to carry out alternate functions, without any alteration!" Maybe there's some kind of "trick valve" between the two sets of inlet and outlet ports in each valve body (a feature which may or may not be part of the original construction); maybe this "trick valve" or "secret slding panel", like a butterfly valve, can make the switch from "Off" to "Open" on the selected houses, if triggered by a sufficient increase in water pressure along that entire secondary, 'poisoned' line.

Who knows? The City isnt exactly forthcoming with helpful blueprints, etc., in case you hadn't noticed. Such particular details would be unknowable at this point.

But what IS known is the INESCAPABLE fact that the City is VEHEMENTLY going OUT OF THEIR WAY to LIE ABOUT THE WHOLE THING. That point REFUSES TO GO AWAY.

It only APPEARS to go away when you choose to ignore it & deny its existence, or deny it has any significance.

This whole rambling excercise isn't just about valves, or waterworks...... it's about inductive and deductive reasoning; it's about ANY approach to ANY mystery.

It's about HOW to think & ponder questions, in a GENERAL application. Just ask yourself, how would Sherlock Holmes or Columbo react to Ms. Phelan's information?
Then, pretend that you are they.

If you're honest, I bet you won't wind up dismissing the whole thing as fluff.

So again, it DOESN'T MATTER whether we have ascertained the whole exact MEANS by which the theorized plan would be implemented; that can be discovered later. What DOES matter at this point is the ESTABLISHED FACT of deception & cover up. Where there's smoke, there's fire.

Again: such deceptions aren't undertaken over tiddly-winks.
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A "skeptic" is one who questions, not blindly trusts, canonized orthodoxy

by Robert-Harley :Meloy Wednesday, Jun. 29, 2005 at 11:16 PM

You ain't no skeptic, Skeptic; you're a True Believer.

Perhaps you should reaquaint yourself with the definition of the word "skeptic" in a good standard dictionary. You might then do a comparative study with such antonyms as as "believer", "follower", "lemming", and et cetera.

Skeptic means one who questions everything -- ESPECIALLY hallowed authority and canonized orthodoxy -- not one who blindly trusts the same, even when to do so would require to him to deny his own grandma.

It's as if I'd said, "Ted Bundy just told a fib", and you replied, "Bull! I'd have to see conclusive, indisputable proof of such a claim. You are stretching credibility and defaming his character. Just because it's been conclusively proven that Ted Bundy committed multiple atrocities, killing and eating numerous people, is no reason to now believe he'd stoop to LYING! You better have some solid PROOF before slandering his good name like that!" Problem is, there is no good name to slander. He, like our own soviet socialist American police state, has consistently shown itself to be the worst, most murderous criminal enterprise in the history of the planet.

You might try reading the post above yours by one "Roberto Chicago" titled "Disregard Phelan, Disregard Thatcher Collins...Mr. Nascar Knows What's Best!", whose author lists a small sampling of our government's good deeds over the years. (Unlimited power always seems to bring out the best in folks, doesn't it? Especially when it's all kept as a "just-trust-us" secret.)

You wrote, quite correctly, that "...if these valves are intended to be used to introduce chemicals into selected individual service lines, the chemicals have to come from some source."

Obviously. Did you think Phelan was concerned that poisonous chemicals were going to somehow be "beamed" by "remote-control" matter-teleportation to their respective destinations? Were this elaborate scenario being proposed, then clearly pipelines and valves, no matter their configuration, would be totally superfluous to any extermination agenda. In fact, with such capability, deception and subterfuge would probably be rendered altogether obsolete.

One must have the ability to connect facts (the validity of which I've heard nobody dispute so far, only the facts' significance, the MEANING of their relationships to each other.) Facts must fit; they can't be taken as separate, unconnected items. For example:

Fact #1-City flat-out DENIES "t-valves" are EVER used, in any capacity, for ANY reason, no way, no how.

Fact #2- A photo taken in the La Brea area (which authenticity is not disputed, so far) shows a t-valve part awaiting installment in THAT VERY SAME CITY which had so vehemently DENIED that any such valves are now or ever have been in use.

A subsequent photo shows the same part actually INSTALLED.

Remember, the very existence of this type of valve, anywhere in the City's public works inventory, was CATEGORICALLY DENIED.

Don't try to ignore that, as if it was on some seperate island by itself, & needn't be considered in light of the pictures to the contrary. These two facts, the denial AND its photographic contradiction, MUST be RECONCILED.

Conclusion: The City is LYING about "t-valves" not being used in its public works projects. (How simple, how neat & efficient. Occam's razor.)

Now, this is a no-brainer, folks (unless, of course, you're disputing the validity of these two photographs, and/or the validity of Phelan's letters from the City, etc. If you do, by all means speak up, & we'll get to the bottom of it.).

I find no reason to dispute the facts presented, having found through bitter experience that municipal corporations ooze with corruption from every pore. F'rinstance, does anyone in the world think the L.A. Police Dept. isn't as crooked as a dog's hind leg? (If so, I guess that qualifies them as "skeptics" in the upside-down bizzarro dictionary.)

Having now inexorably reached the above conclusion (provided the photos & letters are undisputed as real & genuine), one is confronted @ this point with a choice, a veritable "fork in the road":

He can either take the next logical step, or...
he can shrink back, retreating into his false sense of security.

Yet the "next logical step" MUST be taken, if he is to be intellectually honest. That step is to ask the question:

WHY, WHY, O WHY did the City:
(a) make such vehement denials on the one hand? and yet
(b) install such very elements, in such a universally widespread manner as to immediately be discovered at a RANDOMLY SELECTED site?

Let's say you worked for the city water dep't. Somebody asks you, "Do you buy pre-manufactured tubing?" ... and you reply, "Heavens, No! We would never DREAM of doing such a thing! I refuse to even entertain such allegations! I won't further dignify your absurd insinuation with a response!"

Most people would think such defensiveness innapropriate to the question. Why? Because there's Nothing WRONG with purchasing tubing, joints & parts; no one expects the city to manufacture their own water pipes.

Such defensiveness usually arises when someone is raising an allegation of WRONGDOING of some kind or another; the more wrong the alleged deed, the stronger we would expect the defensiveness and denial to become in proportion. (In general, that is. There are always some exceptions; why go into those when you have yet to explain the vast majority of non-exceptions?)
This would be true whether such allegation was true, partially true, or completely false; the same sort of defensive reaction in either case would surprise no one, were the allegation sufficiently serious.

But when something IS vehemently denied, and then proven to be true, we cannot escape the logical probability of a criminal deception -- esp. when the (now established) liar is an incredibly corrupt city machine/commercial corporation like CITY OF LOS ANGELES, INC.

(In other words, you just don't see city officials going to such great lengths of deception over tiddly-winks. Doesn't happen.)

In such a case, it is perfectly normal & rational to suspect foul play.... REGARDLESS of whether we've learned exactly HOW something is to be implemented -- or even, for that matter, the overall purpose of the deception.
It is enough to know that there almost certainly must be something horribly wrong being covered up by such a deception... not something warm 'n' fuzzy.

Of course, the "t-valve" idea implies (to me) the idea of seperate FEEDS. I'm not technically inept, I worked on motorcycles for years, replaced auto transmissions, studied planetary gears & differentials, got straight A's in electronics. If I don't know the flow-paths of such-and-such system, I can usually figure it out; in fact, it's usually pretty obvious.

Unfortunately, we CAN'T SEE BELOW THE ASPHALT, and can't even see around its edge from just a picture.

(It would have been helpful if Ms. Phelan had taken a flash-photograph from as far down inside of the hole as possible, at an angle looking upward in both directions, both 'upstream' & 'downstream', so to speak, with the goal of seeing at least what, if any, (& if any, how many) inlets/outlets fed into/outflowed from this sample t-valve pictured after installation.

I'm sure she'd be more than happy to do that very thing, next time, but..... well, there's a problem with that.

Y'see... the City has REFUSED TO TELL HER the Official State Secret of WHERE the public works crews are working!

That's cause they have nothing to hide, right, Skeptic?

Ask yourself: what INNOCENT thing could such behavior be hiding? Probably NO innocent thing! Yet they are hiding SOME thing. So, if NOT innocent & wholesome, what's left to hide?

Something INCRIMINATING.

Now, let's take stock of the story thus far & realize that we ALREADY HAVE ENOUGH info to raise the hue and cry at this point... We don't NEED to have established all the particular details (although I agree that exactly HOW the SEPERATE poison water is conducted isn't just a mere 'detail'; still, forked tongues lying about forked valves inspire the basic idea of a ADDITIONAL, ALTERNATIVE INLET (& its corresponding outlet, to conduct the toxic water on down the line to the next "undesirable").

And since we can't x-ray the pictured VALVE BODY, we don't even know for certain that it's even a "normal" t-valve internally; to suppose it is would be an assumption.

It may consist of totally seperate channels, each with seperate internal valves, joined together to LOOK like a 'standard' t-valve, for example.

Why do such a thing, you ask? Perhaps to allow for TWO SEPERATE, UNCONNECTED LINES to be physically joined together at each service offshoot,(waters kept seperated) yet appear to be mingled as if a single, normal t-valve (if there is in fact such a thing as a normal t-valves for such an application; i.e., public water supply). As for these service lines in front of each house, only SOME of the 'secondary' lines would be RIGGED to ALLOW passage of the 'altered" water through those particular services to those particular houses.

To sum up this idea: the altered water & the normal water could be conducted via what looks like a single conduit, (bundled in a single tubing jacket) but inside are actually two seperate, unconnected conduits.

To expand on this reasonable speculation:

EACH HOUSE would have the poisoned water flow PAST it...... but only CERTAIN ones have a working valve coming off the poisoned line.
Or, alternately, only certain houses have valves magnetically activated by chip from a "remote control" command. Maybe there's even a signal-wire running alongside the 2 seperate, yet single-appearing bundle of water lines, by which two conduct such electrical signals... (although, even I will admit, that seems a bit too elaborate).

Or, it could just be something as simple as the source adding a slight extra pressure to the poisoned line, (remember, this would take place all along the entire line, for blocks or miles, not just 'magically' at certain locations), raising it to a pressure level sufficient to mechanically cause those pre-selected service valves to open, while the other ones are sealed shut, or even dummy valves. That doesn't require any computer chip, "remote control" hoodoo voodoo, or other super-sophisticated technology; its just simple 19th century mechanics, combined with stage magician-style misdirection.

Or, maybe the standard type is already inherently configured (either by design or, more likely, by coincidence) to do the job, and some hotdog figured out after the fact that - "Hey, I just realized it can be rigged to carry out alternate functions, without any alteration!" Maybe there's some kind of "trick valve" between the two sets of inlet and outlet ports in each valve body (a feature which may or may not be part of the original construction); maybe this "trick valve" or "secret slding panel", like a butterfly valve, can make the switch from "Off" to "Open" on the selected houses, if triggered by a sufficient increase in water pressure along that entire secondary, 'poisoned' line.

Who knows? The City isnt exactly forthcoming with helpful blueprints, etc., in case you hadn't noticed. Such particular details would be unknowable at this point.

But what IS known is the INESCAPABLE fact that the City is VEHEMENTLY going OUT OF THEIR WAY to LIE ABOUT THE WHOLE THING. That point REFUSES TO GO AWAY.

It only APPEARS to go away when you choose to ignore it & deny its existence, or deny it has any significance.

This whole rambling excercise isn't just about valves, or waterworks...... it's about inductive and deductive reasoning; it's about ANY approach to ANY mystery.

It's about HOW to think & ponder questions, in a GENERAL application. Just ask yourself, how would Sherlock Holmes or Columbo react to Ms. Phelan's information?
Then, pretend that you are they.

If you're honest, I bet you won't wind up dismissing the whole thing as fluff.

So again, it DOESN'T MATTER whether we have ascertained the whole exact MEANS by which the theorized plan would be implemented; that can be discovered later. What DOES matter at this point is the ESTABLISHED FACT of deception & cover up. Where there's smoke, there's fire.

Again: such deceptions aren't undertaken over tiddly-winks.
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Mr.

by Blister Thursday, Jun. 30, 2005 at 4:56 AM

Imagine you're a Bad Guy, and you want to eliminate troublemakers. Do you run an entire parallel water system, complete with valves to every house? Especially when you can't be sure that your intended target will drink the water? Wouldn't it be easier, and cheaper, to send out the men in trenchcoats and fedoras to bop your troublemaker on the head?

Come on people, this water system woo-hoo is just a distraction from the real problem, which is the conspiracy to control our thoughts with special computers secreted in talking dogs from outer space. Look out that window. Do you see the Pug frolicking on your lawn? Of course you don't; that's what proves he's there.
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Mr.

by David Burnett Thursday, Jun. 30, 2005 at 5:54 AM
roninpom@aol.com UK Wimborne UK

Dear All, Picture One (in the mud) looks like an ordinary small stop-cock for a one-house supply.
Picture Two, ( the big red valve) is what you'd expect to control a whole street's supply.
We can imagine the usual system for distributing the main water supply. Where do the Tee-valves go, and how big are they? Do they control another house-by-house supply that is allowed into the main water supplies of particular houses?
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Mr. LED

by LED Thursday, Jun. 30, 2005 at 10:38 AM
erikspam2@yahoo.com

There has been work on the water lines out in front of the houses in my neighborhood in the past few weeks. The City says it's a new higher pressure water line. Folks in my area approve since our water pressure could be better, but could THEY be installing a house by house poision delivery system?!?! Let's look it from an engineering standpoint, since that's what I do for a living.

1) Someone already hinted at the first problem. You need to deliver not only high pressure water to each home, but also high pressure poision as well. Even if your valve forces a concentrated poision into the water, you need a separate line with the toxin. That means you have to run a main FULL of poision to every house. Let's look at the implications of this. For one thing, you would need (for a city like Houston where I live) tens or hundereds of thousands of gallons of poision just to fill the system. For another thing, you'd need to be SURE that no one ever opened a line to see what you were pumping into their water. People dig up water lines all the time. If they saw a suspicious (and necessarily small) line T into their water, do you think NO ONE would ever have it tested by a chemist? And again, why didn't our illustrious author have this "toxin" tested? If you suspect something is a poision.. WHO IN THE NAME OF CHRIST DRINKS IT?!??!

2) The second problem is one of logistics. I have the same problem with the whole "chemtrail" thing. An operation the size of either of these would require thousands of everyday people to be involved. Sure you could keep the scientists in charge of the design of the system quiet, but how do you keep the grunts on the ground from talking? I don't think they pay the grunts in the orange coats working in my front yard enough to keep them from telling SOMEONE they they have been installing a funky two pipe system in front of EVERY house in town. Sure lots of them are too dumb to know what they are doing. Lots of them never question the job, they just do it, but surely ONE of the people (of the thousands required) has a big enough brain to wonder what's going on. Until that person comes forward with a chemical analysis, this is all just speculation.

3) As someone else also mentioned, there is no guarantee that the home owner is going to drink the water. I use around 5000 gallons of city water a month for my family and I, and most of it is washed down the drain from showers, baths, toilets and washing. Since we drink a lot of juice, milk, coke and other bottled beverages, only a TINY fraction of the water that comes into my line gets consumed. I expect that people who actually water their lawns use more water than 5000 gallons, and what if your target decides to fill his swimming pool? Do you poision all 50,000 gallons of his pool? Don't you think that would be A) expensive and B) easy to trace?

Come on people. Whoever said it would be easier to get a guy with a trench coat to bop offenders on the head was right. My water bill would be a hell of a lot more than $20 per month if I had to pay for the infrastructure we are talking about here. There IS a valve in front of everyone's house, and they city may well be wiring them all into a computer for easy shut off, but AFIK those valves are to turn off the water so you can work on your plumbing. I actually dug up the valve at my old house to do just that, and there was nothing more sinester there than a few spiders in the hole.

THEY should get to my front yard in the next two to three weeks, and I will be sure to look into the hole to see what goes in there. I'll look into the eyes of the guys digging the pit and see if I see any dark intentions, and I'll be sure to put out the word if I see more than one pipe going to my house, but seriously folks, I think the only thing going in is a new high pressure line.


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IF YOU WANT...

by Rainbow Swan Thursday, Jun. 30, 2005 at 12:29 PM

If you want to get someone's attenton, whisper. The louder you speak the less likely people are to listen. Not because they are disinterested so much as the fact that we tend to tune out the noise. In this day and age of car alarms, fire engine's screaming, police sirens wailing, traffic horns blaring and the occational overhead helicopter or jet blasting the relative peace and quiet of the summer evening, noise levels just seem to get louder and louder every day. It tends to hypnotize the population.
They find comfort in the noise without realizing it or hearing it. Drop these noise addicts into a quiet forest and they will turn into wild beasts with withdrawal symptoms.
I agree with you on most of your sentiment, all the way up to the last statement. Here I disagree on the basis that as long as we can wake one more person to the subtle yet real dangers that exist, there is hope for us. As long as we awaken to awareness we have a chance. Those that refuse to pull their heads out of the sand will wake up too late if at all. It may just come down to them or us. There's only so much effort you can expend on their behalf. Remember, "Hindsight is only helpful if you are still alive.
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Water can be imprinted...

by Just a guy... Thursday, Jun. 30, 2005 at 1:53 PM

As anybody who really knows about water, all water can be either chemically or even electronically imprinted. So, kind Sir, your argument doesn't hold up if you know this truth...

You can take a poison, measure the "frequency" of the water which is measured as a number. Then this "number" can be electronically imprinted on the water. Of course, the amount of the imprint is of a homeopathic nature... one part per billion, etc. but it all builds up over time. So, you don't have to have chemical supply lines running along with the water. All you need is a computerized device that would imprint the water upon demand. Very simple. Check out radionics, homeopathics, etc. Not new stuff, either. But not generally known in the mainstream. These guys, if this is real, are downright evil.
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T Valves

by Scotty the watcher Thursday, Jun. 30, 2005 at 2:18 PM

This theory ignores three (at least) important facts.

1.) She indicates that multi-unit housing is also targeted. There is to my knowledge, no database of apartment dwellers and renters. If there WERE one, it would add more people and potential leaks of the "truth". Additionally, many people, especially ones that big brother might be interested in reside in a home that has absolutely no ties to their name.

2.) Many drink bottled water exclusively these days thereby nullfying the effects of what must be a massively expensive project.

3.) What about other city water supplies. There are MANY communities which are no reliant upon DWP water.

Given the above, I have to call BS on this story. There are much cheaper and more efective ways of achieving the end goal of this purported project.
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T Valves @3

by Scotty the watcher Thursday, Jun. 30, 2005 at 2:22 PM

Looking at this it looks just like the water main valve to my house which is on the sidewalk out front. The pipes to the left and the right of thevalve probably lead to other turn-off valves and the large diameter pipe probably feen them.

Doesn't look particularly suspicious to me. Nice try though.
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T Valves 3

by Scotty the watcher Thursday, Jun. 30, 2005 at 2:26 PM

Has anyone bothered to check out how many million resideces and business' are serviced by the DWP? She is talking about adding a valve for EACH one!

C'mon now. That would take years and 10's of millions of dollars and only take care of those serviced by the DWP. Cheaper to send in the jack-booted stasi and take 'em out.

Wake up and smell the coffee. This story is B.S.
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T Valves 4

by Scotty the watcher Thursday, Jun. 30, 2005 at 2:57 PM

Sorry, the more I look at the photo the more obvious it is that this is a standard Water Co. Shut off valve (mail valve).

This is really irritating because there enough REAL things to worry about with the Gov't without chicken little running around throwin out "Red Herrings".

Think about it, the valve has a square head, just like the one under the little concrete cover in the sidewalk in front of your house (go look right now, you'll see the same square head). Valves are NOT buried, it would be stupid to bury it because then to service it (and valves go bad ALL the time) you'd have to dig up every thing just to get to the darned thing.

You don't have to be an engineer to see that his is not a T-Valve. If it WERE a T-Valve it would be in the intersection of all of the pipes, not on the northern most brance (duh). The northern most branch which has the valve on it is smaller than the rest indicating to me that it feeds a residence or business. I mean LOOK at it, what would happen if you turned the valve? Is there another pipe to divert into it? NO. If you turned it it would only effect the pipe that it is on and have nothing to do with the other three visible pipes.

As I said earlier, this is probably a main (the southern pipe) and the East and West pipes probably go to other residences where they are terminated by a similar valve. Past the valve, the pipe continues North to the residence.

Lastly, it's obvious that this is a sidewalk by the thickness of the concrete and lack of aggregate (gravel) in the concrete.
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T-valves: Deadly?

by markalanwhittle Thursday, Jun. 30, 2005 at 7:53 PM
mwhittle@mountaincable.net Hamilton Mountain

Surreal story. I wonder what else id going on, as city hall seems out of the picture, by design?

MAW
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Don't Drink the Water!

by green knight Thursday, Jun. 30, 2005 at 9:46 PM

The valve in the 2nd picture is an ordinary gate valve. Tyton does not manufacture "T" valves. If the fascists want to exterminate a bunch of us, they won't have to work very hard at it--they'll just continue to fight their resource wars, amass their wealth, continue dancing in the ballroom on the Titanic, and ignore the fate of the common folk. We're expendable. Most of those who have NOT been paying attention to the Peak Oil issue will starve anyway. Stop wasting your time on paranoid water-poisoning illusions and start planting a garden and organizing your community to deal with powerdown!!!
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Needs more evidence to conclude

by gl2 Friday, Jul. 01, 2005 at 8:27 AM

Janet, we can all see that Bush is eroding basic rights, and surely that's an emotional issue but you should take another look at your evidence. When you let fear gain control (and there is much to fear) it can make you think that a taste of the water affects your heart, but that's the fear, in all likelihood. If you think something is poision, you may notice a taste that you otherwise don't. My advice: use your time off to relax and do a little more basic research, then, if your facts don't bear out, don't fret. Find another writing venue and go on.
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Thatcher Collins

by BB Friday, Jul. 01, 2005 at 1:54 PM
BB@home.com

Who cares at about grammar? Not me, I am more concerned with your lies and inability to be forthright with your statement. A public official is responsible to the people of the Unites States of America, NOT, to higher government officials. You should be ashamed of yourself for lying to the American public and withholding vital information regarding public safety. You should be fired immediately and I will personally see to it that you are.
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about the water project

by windwalker Friday, Jul. 01, 2005 at 8:04 PM

If this work putting these t-valves in is true, with a second line for additives to our drinking water then this situation really sucks big time!
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Toxic Showers

by Me Friday, Jul. 01, 2005 at 9:13 PM

I'm not here to agree or disagree with any of what has been said so far. Since I've moved to West L.A. very recently, I've been plagued with a nasty skin disorder. I've spent weeks trying to figure out the cause. I've been careful not to drink the tap water, and purchased an air filtration system as well. I've just discovered the link between the skin problem and my shower. So I did a bit of poking around on the web, and learned of the harmful effects related to showering in toxic water . Not only can the chemicals be absorbed transdermaly, their ill effects are compounded by breathing the steam. Since I abandoned the tap water from the shower head, my skin has healed. So I would recommend to anyone who is interested, to not only drink pure water, but shower in it as well.
Me
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Help for contaminated water

by Dan Fogelberg Friday, Jul. 01, 2005 at 10:12 PM

Help for contaminate...
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Democracy is self-regulating. Evil will be punished!
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Freedom aha!

by william phone Saturday, Jul. 02, 2005 at 7:08 AM

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OF OURSELVES TO OURSELVES,NOT TO THE BUREAUCRATICBULLSHIT THAT HAS BECOME OUR
GOVERNMENT.
 THINGS LIKE "HOMELAND SECURITY"IS LIKENING TO STEALING THE VERY LIBERTIES
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Get Organized not Occupied

by Thomas Wrathburn Saturday, Jul. 02, 2005 at 3:40 PM

Look at how easily all of you get occupied by strange stories and a neat lilttle interactive technology, now often referred to as the blogosphere. T-valves are required to deliver water to each house. The idea that the skull and bones crew would have water distribution re-worked for EVERY HOUSEHOLD in the country is utterly absurd. For you reactionary types - this does not mean a blatant disregard for conspiracy theories - it's called critical thought folks. I could spend time looking further into this. You know, do the legwork, find out if there every really was a Janet C. Phelan working at the Santa Monica Free Press, but for what? Use your head folks. It's working class people who do public works and construction for water systems. Do you really think your neighbour is going to install an infrastructure for deliberately poisoning the public? These are engineers we are talking about here, they're not stupid. All of this is to keep you occupied. I'm not saying that Janet C. Phelan is a plant of any kind, I'm saying it doesn't matter! As previous posts have said, we are F***ED. So start getting yourselves organized in your communities - get prepared for the future, for whatever it might hold, and stop wasting time here (like I am right now).

Peace,
Tom Wrathburn
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Complete Nutjob Theory

by Mister E Saturday, Jul. 02, 2005 at 4:50 PM

You all HONESTLY believe the government is going to put a value in front of everyones house in the entire USA? That's just ridiculous. There are MANY MORE quick, simplier, cost effective, and discrete ways to wipe out a massive group of people... Plus, pipes distrubuting poison would be EASILY detected if they were ALL OVER AMERICA! Come on! The only way at all this could even feasably work would be if they were OPEN about it, and even then, people would stop drinking the water once it was know its potentially poisoned!

Have some faith in your government. You all have been dilluted and mislead. America is the best damn country in the world.

Please everyone, use some common sense! A small group of Yale Students and Allumni do not secretly control the world!

-Mister E
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Possible Advantages of Surreptitious Exterminations vs. Traditional Mass Executions

by Robert-Harley :Meloy Sunday, Jul. 03, 2005 at 12:01 AM

You're right--there are MANY simple, clumsy, ham-fisted, resistance-inspiring methods by which to eliminate whole masses of people, & most such ways have already been implemented more than once (& not just by foreign governments -- ours is right up there near the top), such as:

The cold-blooded murder of lining up a hundred of our troops to stand outside & absorb the effects of a close-range atomic blast (the photographs of just such an event are available for you to see, showing numerous soldiers, unshielded, (not even their eyes), watching a mushroom cloud in the desert daylight at what appears to be about a mile or half-mile away from their position...

Or, the eugenics sterilization of black women carried out - in THIS country, not Nazi Germany - up until as recently as 1979!

The POINT of an elaborate, surreptitious method like the one Phelan suspects, (and which she makes very clear), is NOT simply to wipe out a bunch of people (let alone random people) but to make such mass executions QUIET.... not noisy & attention-grabbing, like visibly storming in with tanks & rounding up masses of "enemies of the state" IN FRONT OF THEIR NEIGHBORS & FELLOW TOWNSFOLK, a la Waco & Ruby Ridge, to cart off to the concentration camps (photos of which ALSO exist, if you'll lift a finger to find them. Infowars.com shows photographs of the camps, some with floor shackles, others with signs @ gate in both English & Russian, guard towers & barbed wire on the INSIDE; as well as video of John Jay Sheehan's NATO "training" excercises in Oakland & Georgia, (years BEFORE 911) performed by Danish, Russian, German troops ON AMERICAN SOIL - you can HEAR them SPEAKING their various languages (or rather, barking commands in them) - including door-to-door mock gun searches, crashing in doors and windows with paid "civilian" actors being "processed", screaming such things as "Don't take our unalienable rights!" and "Please don't take our guns!", "please don't forcibly inject our bodies with your dubious vaccines", etc.) (Ok, I made that last one up.)

The point of such an elaborate set-up as Phelan theorizes would be to AVOID the "NEGATIVE PUBLICITY" of an OVERT IRON FIST, Waco-style....

...In other words, to make such "clean-sweeps" far more QUIET, UNOBTRUSIVE, SELECTIVE, & DIFFICULT to TRACE BACK to the REAL CAUSE, especially over long periods of time, since the phenomenon of all these people getting sick would SEEM to be random, perhaps even sporadic (just some asbestos/"radon gas" deaths in homes built in a certain era, or with certain materials), therefore, no reason for it even OCCUR to anyone to even LOOK for a more deliberate, sinister connection between such deaths in the 1st place.

(Great risk of exposure, you say, in placing these all over the country? Who's going to tear up the sidewalk to examine them, & risk prosecution & heavy fines--that is, before anybody even knew to LOOK for such things? And how many people would readily recognize them for what they were, even if they were to do so? How many people would immediately recognize the various possible dual functions which the supposedly "special" valves might actually be designed for? Wouldn't it be necessary to disguise their dual nature to begin with, if for no other reason than just to keep the men installing them from realizing their 'real' purpose?)

Also, who said the targeted people would have to DRINK the water? Don't most people use water to COOK & CLEAN, too? But let's say they all use bottled water for ingestion. Wouldn't most of such targeted people still take numerous SHOWERS? Wouldn't they shower ROUTINELY? DAY IN, & DAY OUT, pritnear EVERY SINGLE DAY? --- absorbing toxins through the skin & breathing them in, in as a mist, ON A DAILY BASIS, which would SLOWLY, GRADUALLY, kill or incapacitate them OVER TIME (thus neutralizing their potential for resistance) and in such a way that THEY DON'T ALL GET SICK & DIE @ the SAME TIME, but at staggered, sporadic times, spread out over years? (depending ofcourse on each victim's age, health, & various other widely-diverse factors?) Or would they all have water purifiers purifying the water that comes out of every outlet in the house, to protect them from poisoned shower-water too?

Or, could it be even simpler - just being able to SHUT OFF the pre-selected homes' water, period? Forget the need for poisoning at all? This could also require a split or double-valve, for reasons at present unknown, but not at all beyond rational plausibility. That would probably wind up being just as deadly.

The real purpose of discussing this issue is for the mental excercise of training the mind not to dismiss something just because it goes against dearly-held beliefs (or is otherwise discomforting).

The only valid problems I can see so far are:
(a) disputing the authenticity of the city's denials, and/or disputing the correct identification of the valves - by whatever they're actually called - as being the same ones which the city categorically denies using; and, even more importantly,
(b) that it may distract from other, more productive & far more provable evidence of a global population reduction agenda, such as that implicity advocated in the Georgia Guidestones (Google the term if you're not familiar with it; don't just gloss over it-- INVESTIGATE prior to ridiculing it) as well as UN population-thinning; the CDC & WHO "losing" hundreds of viral samples, sent to labs all over the world; the CIA (created thu Hitler's Reinhart Gehlen and Project Paperclip) feeding plutonium to children in their breakfast cereal just to "see what would happen" to them; mercury found again & again in big pharma's (I.G.Farben, etc) vaccines. These are all quite real, confirmed & repeated happenings which you are at liberty to verify for yourself at any time--more often than not through mainstream, "respectable" sources or the actual, original "confession" memos themselves (Project for a New American Century, Proactive Preemptive Operations Group, Operation Northwoods document, etc.)
You have no excuse to claim ignorance of the above, especially nowadays, with the information highway at your fingertips. If FOREIGN criminals like Mengele can commit unconscionable experiments on children, what makes you think OUR government is magically immune from the same sort of thing?
Why would torture-lovin' Alberto Gonzales...
...or ex-KGB, dual citizenship/divided loyalty Chertoff (your new head of Fatherland Security)...
...or death-squad master extraordinaire Negroponte be somehow exempt from similar suspicions?

It doesn't matter how "outrageous" it SEEMS to YOUR perception, YOUR preconceived ideas, YOUR wishful thinking, but only whether it's true or not - period. Given the advantages of QUIET, UNOBTRUSIVE, UNTRACEABLE, & SELECTIVE mass deaths outlined above, there is, strictly speaking, NOTHING outrageous in just the speculation IN & OF ITSELF, as a pure matter of logic or intellectual excercise. Absolutely NOTHING.

I can only find ONE convincing argument, thus far, for returning to more solid approaches for exposing of governent criminality: i.e., that such outlandish-SEEMING suspicions, EVEN IF TRUE, could be used as a discrediting "giggle factor" against ANY claims of government-sponsored atrocity against its own people. This is a REAL consideration.

THIS objection - and ONLY this objection - causes me to consider whether it is wise to devote undue energies to a mystery which could prove harmful to the overall credibility of the freedom movement.
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Thank you

by Josephine Kuchera Sunday, Jul. 03, 2005 at 1:33 AM

Thank you so much for bringing this up. My family fled the Jewish Bolsheviks in Poland before WWII many of our (ethnic German) people were left behind and perished. I am not asking for a holocaust memorial, or a holocaust day or a holocaust awareness week or even reparations , just some recognition that the bastards who did this were Jews.
There were street massacres and mass killings of ethnic Germans and Polish patriots. When the German National Socialists came, they actually liberated ethnic Germans living in Poland, and, rightly or wrongly, allowed a few ethnic German people to get their own back on their oppressors for the racist attacks and discrimination they had endured. After Poland was "liberated" from the "Nazis" by the Allies (which is the garbage-story we get from our school history books) the Red Army took Poland again and Polish Patriots and ethnic Germans were rounded up into concentation camps. Stalin deliberately chose Jews to run these camps. If you do not believe me google seach "Solomon Morel". Many people died in these camps - no memorial, no holocaust day, no compensation.

To say that the Communists were not Jews is like saying that the German National Socialists were not German. It is only partly true.

There have been numerous books by Jewish authors, most recently "The Court of the Red Tsar" by Simon Sebag-Montefiore, which have written out the Jewish connection to Communism. I find this very upsetting, because they killed 30 million people, even some Jews (Jews who opposed them, just at Hitler killed Germans who opposed him) to serve their own evil ends.

We have to remember that the Communists were Jews otherwise they will do it again. We must never forget.

To call Bush a "Nazi" defames the German National Socialists. Although he certainly has similar imperial ambitions the motivation is dishonourable. Let me explain.

In my mind there is only one reason to kill someone, and that is if they are first attacking you or a member of your family. I do not believe that German National Socialism was perfect, but put in context, it was a reaction to Communism and possibly even Zionism, both of which pre-date German National Socialism by about 30 years if not longer.

Iraq was not attacking the US. Saddam Hussein was not even threatening to attack "America's friend" Israel. The Germans however, faced a very real threat - Bolshevism.

You could argue that Bush is worse than a "Nazi" because he is only in it for the $$ and power and he is defending no-one and nothing but the finanicial interests of a few, as I will explain later.

There are a lot of people calling Bush a "Nazi" and this is because they want to whitewash the fact that he is surrounded/abetted by Zionist Jews who are taking advantage of America's patriotism for their own ends. America does not need the oil. Using only 6% of agricultural land America could grow enough (eco-friendly) biofuel to meet demands, but the Bush and Harriman family have been blocking the propagation of HEMP, which is the most efficient source of biofuels, for about 80 years.

The only reason we are having these oil wars is to serve these power hungry imperialist monsters. You wait and see... these devious people make Adolf Hitler look like the Avon Lady as they seek power simply for its own sake, with no humanitarian motivation whatsoever. (not that Hitler was perfect etc.)

How many people remember the atrocities committed by the Clinton adminstration? Madeleine Albright's (the Jew) cluster bombing of Serbian civilians has not been forgotten, my friend Natasha saw the little yellow packets in Belgrade, the US has denied this. What do we think of someone who said that the death of 400000 innocent children in Iraq due to sanctions was worth it "just to get Saddam". The Clinton administration also bombed Sudan's only pharmaceuticals factory claiming that it was making chemical weapons, which was rather hypocritical.

America imperial ambitions are causing a lot of problems and HATE.

So, we have these stories circulating calling Bush a Nazi. It is a Jewish cover-up. Jews are hugely implicated in America's... the world's.... problems. But that is not the whole story.

There is another twist to the tale - anti-semitism!

The system LOVES anti-semites. Why? Because it draws attention away from the corrupt evil non-Jewish global elite. People like the Bushes, who are no better than the rich Globalist Jews.

With regard to water purity. Take advantage of the situation and buy yourself a Berkefeld Water Filter (world standard) with the Fluoride attachment and/or a water distiller which removes 99% of all impurities. If you are worried about losing mineral salts, DON'T because you can get everything you need from fruit and vegetable juices. You can add a little pure rock salt to your water if you prefer the taste. (himalayan rock salt is the best)

Also, grow wheatgrass, and try the raw food vegan/ fruitarian diet. Eat organic. It is a kind, humane less ecologically damanging diet which has been used to cure cancer. Practise yoga, it makes you a peaceful person, and helps others to find peace. Tell other people about this. Speak the truth but do not spread hate. Remember, rabid anti-semitism is strategically important to the globalists, both Jewish and non-Jewish.
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'Communists were Jews'

by Sheepdog Sunday, Jul. 03, 2005 at 5:12 AM

Dear lady, please reconcider your logic and parameter sets.
Typical error. Lagre set cannot exist within the boundries of the lesser set.
Think about it.
Your take on history is ... interesting to say the least. I shall dig on it.
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Test the Water Regularly

by Mary Jacobs Sunday, Jul. 03, 2005 at 8:26 AM
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Why not just get some water-testing kits and see if any poisoning is going on? It may cost some money and even be difficult to get the testing kits, but I know that it is possible. Findo ut if there is some evidence- some chemical evidence, and then go to the press with it, or to the street corners. The ability to poison us is there, but is the reality of it? You need to test the water first, before you claim this. I am skeptical, but also worried.
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Seeing is Beliving

by Ben Sunday, Jul. 03, 2005 at 12:34 PM
bynrdskynrd@yahoo.com

As far as flouridating the water, I see that everyday on the faces of the neighbors who can't or won't stay away from the tap...I've been drinking bottled water, and noticed that I have been a little sharper in the morning, not needing that kick of java that I've been used to.

But for the rash of chemtrails over the Portland/Vancouver area here colludes with the rash of miscarriages that I've heard throug friends and family members living here in the area. There was a week where I would go outside and see the hashmarks in the air... Afterword, from three women whom I knew to be pregnant lost their children. One of the women I knew stated that she had another girlfriend who was pregnant, and lost her baby as well. Hate to say this, but if it quacks like a duck and waddles like a duck...
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poison all over

by John Sunday, Jul. 03, 2005 at 2:33 PM

I enjoyed reading this thread and think that all posters have their eyes and ears open and working minds. After thinking about it a while, I didn't come up with much as most angles have been broached already. The only thing I can think of is to participate in this system as little as possible. I drink tap and bottled. What's stopping any one from poisoning bottled water? I'm 38 and just got my first bank account last year. No insurance, house, kids, or car. This consumer lifestyle is not working, and I do not consume as the average American does. A Hawkwind song has the lyric, "...statistically more people survive if they think only of themselves..." I think that's a good way to think these days. I feel that bad things will continue to go on and get worse until critical mass happens, rapture, ragnarok, day of reckoning,whatever you want to call it. If we march on the powers it's gotta be huge and unprecedented, otherwise doomed to failure. How to organize such a situation and stay off radar is beyond me, much less infiltration, etc. All this bullshit must unfold until change occurs, and it's gonna be ugly on a scale that is ridiculous. Communicating via computer is good but won't help much, it was all born of the military anyway, just like most other technologies. I see the fear and unhappiness all around me in the eyes of people on the street everyday while I'm going through this life and perhaps they see it too but for the most part, if I wind up talking to somebody, they are good people, just saddled with things in life that just aren't necessary but don't know what to do. I'm the same way. I don't trust the government. Everything must stop, and it will, because it seems it's what "they" want to happen anyway, otherwise the powers would not continue this unsustainainable farce. This way of life/behavior just isn't working. I think it would be a good idea to have a community/social based primitive way of life such as the few remaining native tribes have. It wouldn't be easier, but there would be no bullshit. Imagine a healthy, spiritual lifestyle were you know what to eat, trust yourself and others, are familiar with the terrain and wildlife around you and live unburdened with things like money, "job", technology, trends, etc. Who cares about understanding Mars or Jupiter when we can't understand ourselves or the planet we are on? What help will that information really afford us? I know there are a few good people in the system but it doesn't matter, in the end or as they climb the ladder they are subverted and compromised. From the top all the way down it's fucked. I don't know. All I'm doing is trying to change my own behavior for the better, whilst trying to remain happy. I can't control anything else so I try not to worry about it. So after all this rant I'm still no closer to an answer. I probably won't live to see it but think that if we don't exterminate ourselves a new way of perceiving and understanding will manifest. I mean, we just got here really, what a shame if we can't figure out how to make it because of a few thousand or how ever many rich old men think they know better. Peace to all y'all.
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Complete Bullshit

by Scotty the Watcher Sunday, Jul. 03, 2005 at 3:04 PM

Complete Bullshit...
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I posted above. This is your standard water main turnoff. If it were a T-valve it would be where the intersection of the pipes is. This is the valve that is on the sidewalk in front of a house.

THe other two lines on he east and west probably go off to other residences and other valves.

What a nutjob.
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Two-tier water system

by Geneva Sunday, Jul. 03, 2005 at 7:27 PM
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Says Janet Whelan: "...it's pretty obvious that there's a parallel distribution system to provide good water to sections of town and bad to others." This may be the key here.

Since water supplies are being privatized, and most other services are becoming two-tier, why not water, too? It's a logical business move. People who don't want to drink the swill that comes from the tap may soon be able to pay extra for premium quality water. Or, more equitably, homes may have lower-quality water piped to baths, washing machines and lawns, and better water to sinks.

A number of municipalities have been passing strange bylaws related to rainwater catchment. It would be interesting to find out if there is any connection. Bolivia tried to tax rainwater.
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Public Extermanation Project

by Janet C. Phelan Monday, Jul. 04, 2005 at 6:41 PM
angelicamagnolia@yahoo.com

Janet ,
I want to thank you for taking the time to rerearch what you were allowed to research.
I do find it rather bazar that you had some road blocks put in your way, it certanly does leave room for question.
I was under the impression the facts were available to us not confidential material.
Heck if we can go to a registry office and find out any imfo on a neighbour lol which to me should be personal.
I have to admit I have gone threw registry info all the time makes no sence why they put you off the garden path, it does make my radar go up as to what really were they hidding.
I am proud of you for pressing on and writting what you had concluded whith what you were given to write with .Keeo up your great work .If we all stood still much would not surface for a good reason, THEY ARE HIDDING SOMETHING
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communist jews

by talentkeyhole Tuesday, Jul. 05, 2005 at 2:43 PM

11 million jews died at the hands of the soviets (muscovite and jew exterminators alike) during ww2. it's not brought up because the allies won the war. to the victors go the spoils. between russia and nazi germany over 17 million jews were executed. the world was afraid of russia so no war crime trials there. all you can do is try to learn from the past and not repeat it. although i fear that is not the case (croatia).
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REM

by BDAZZLED Thursday, Jul. 07, 2005 at 8:58 AM

Everyone has one, you know an opinion and an asshole. I agree with most of the posting public on the DPW case. Having served in the Military for most of twenty three years I can attest from long experiance that the Government does not give a RATS ASS about the general public and the sooner the sheepal realize this the better. Alas now is the winter of our contentment, The number twelve hour is quickly approching. The old timer was right in his statement that he made. For those of you that are still asleep now is the time to wake up and prepair for the worst. this country is either going to blow up or blow over but either way we truely are in a world of shit and all I see is sorrow and dispar for most of its citizens. Get right with your maker and arm and hored because like the old song says " I SEE THE BAD MOON A RISEN"
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Drinking water

by Kat Hak Sung Thursday, Jul. 07, 2005 at 2:18 PM
kathaksung@aol.com San Jose, Ca.

187. Drinking water (12/11/03)

We used to buy drinking water from coin operated water machine stood outside the super market. Sometime in late 2000(?), my wife told me to buy water from a store. She bought a member card there, so when I went to buy water, I only have to tell the staff the name of my wife and needed not to pay. (She bought a membership card there) It was a drinking water store newly opened in shopping center.

In my house, my father in law drank tea which using boiling tap water. My wife rarely drank at home or she drank with boiling water too. Only my daughter and I drank the cold water bought from machine. Sometime at that period my daughter started to drink bottle water. I noticed this because bottle water is much expensive than the water bought from water store. When I saw my wife bought case of bottle water, I thought she was too spoil our daughter to waste money. But I said nothing about it. How could I knew this meant something else?

Then I had a pain in arm bone. As the pain became more frequently happened, I worried. I recalled a news story. Quite a lot of people lived in a city of Japan got a strange illness - bone ache. At last they found it was because their drinking water was polluted by a chemical compound of mercury(forgot the name). Linked this story, the newly opened water store, and I becoming the only person who drank the water from that store. I realized where the problem came from. I stopped drink the water from that store. The pain in bone did not disappeared right away. It faded gradually as time pasted and at last, no more.

It's easy to switch the water supply from normal tank to poisoned water tank. What happened when there were other people buying water at the same time? There is a row of water tap there. I think they don't care. Because each time the dose is small and won't cause immediate problem.
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evil gov't

by talentkeyhole Saturday, Jul. 09, 2005 at 8:17 PM

as a matter of what governments are capable of, madcow disease comes from feeding cows and bulls (vegetarians) ground up remains of cows and bulls effectively makeing cannibals out of them. they tell us madcow is a deterioration of the animals brain but what they do not tell us is that "madcow, creutzfeld jacobs(excuse the spelling) and the neuro-disease of the cannibals of papua" are all the same thing, deterioration of the brain caused by enzymes introduced to the body through cannibalism. i do'nt know anyone personaly who eats people but consider this; add up all the people in america who die from various disease, accidents, suicides and the like and you have a number well into the millions. heart disease and cancer alone kill over a million people let alone adding aids(if you can believe the reports). now, i do'nt know about anyone else but i can count the number of funerals i come across in a year on one hand! so if the statistics are true where are the bodies? that many people dieing throughout the year would produce quite a staggering number of funerals, no? "soylent green" ring a bell?
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Disregard Phelan, Disregard Thatcher Collins...Mr. Nascar Knows What's Best!

by Roberto Chicago Tuesday, Jul. 12, 2005 at 12:59 PM
juliannemckinney@yahoo.com

Roberto Chicago omitted one "So what if...." Which surprised me, considering his grasp of conspiracies "in plain view," and their implications in the long term.

Mr. Chicago, how about adding, ...

So what if HUNDREDS of U.S. citizens are complaining of being used as involuntary test dummies in violent government experiments with directed-energy weapons systems? Hundreds of the SAME complaints about the SAME types of near-lethal pain, and there ain't NOBODY willing to talk about it, much less, do anything about it. Certainly not your good friend NASCAR.

Don't talk about past holocausts, Mr. Chicago. You've got the makings of real nice one right here, staring the world in the face."
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Even if its NOT true

by Your Mom Monday, Aug. 01, 2005 at 1:58 AM

Even if this story is NOT true, we should all act as if it is.

I'm telling you, if we all started crying foul of this, maybe, at the very least, They will de-classify the info regarding this topic.

If the story about people being deathly afraid to even drink water made it to the national news, maybe there would be some public outcry about the classification of info about Public Works.

LETS NOT FORGET, THE WATER IS OURS. AT least we have the right to know where it is coming from, and that it is clean.

God knows, we've already allowed our "public" national parks to be handed over the UN and the Globalists, dont let it go further. Review Executive Order 12986, and Take back whats YOURS!
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To Thatcher Collins

by Vicky Wednesday, Aug. 31, 2005 at 11:13 AM
eyeswideoopen

Thatcher,

Your description of the meeting with Phelan is not quite satisfactory. You are attempting to dismiss her because she couldn't describe the flow of your system. NOBODY could without the access to the layouts and even then, one would need to be an engineer to understand them. That doesn't mean that she or I or anybody else can't under the conceptual idea of what you are doing. .

I've read about systems designed to use gray water (recycled) for watering lawns. Of course, nobody has home plumbing designed to handle gray water except for the prototype developments designed for it.

Be honest Mr. Collins - the new water systems are designed to provide a mix of gray water and fresh water - or probably gray water in the poor neighborhoods and fresh water to the wealthier neighborhoods. And the valves will be computer controlled to decide who gets what.

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Suicide_Bopper

by rambo, john j Monday, Sep. 26, 2005 at 7:30 PM

the only solution to all of these problems
is to speak the language your enemy understands

we have been given the
impetus to take back what is rightfully ours
by the folks who created this place


buy more guns + lots of ammo
learn how to shoot

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impetus

by slayer Monday, Sep. 26, 2005 at 7:32 PM

the only solution to all of these problems
is to speak the language your enemy understands

we have been given the
impetus to take back what is rightfully ours
by the folks who created this place


buy more guns + lots of ammo
learn how to shoot

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Pepper

by Pepper Tuesday, Sep. 27, 2005 at 12:30 AM
ppfg1@centurytel.net

Well, Roberto, I deeply understand your frustration ( which was very well presented), however, I have decided that there is a sliver of light in this otherwise dark realm of sleep walking by most Americans and its this:

People like you and I will be prepared and they won't. In addition, that means they will all be gone and only those who "knew" what was coming will be left and that means the powers that be will be in big doodoo.

That is the silver lining. We will survive to become their worse night mare and frankly I am looking forward to it.
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Pepper

by Pepper Tuesday, Sep. 27, 2005 at 12:35 AM
ppfg1@centurytel.net

Well, at least he will survive with that tin foil hat and you will not have time to remember you were warned when you are in the process of drawing your last breath.

Be careful now, we are coming into a time where everyone will have to make a decision and it could be the most important decision of your life.

Remember also in Germany there were those called "collaborators" and they were treated as traitors and executed accordingly. Best start hiding that from those who are going to be done away with or they will see you as the enemy.
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2bornot2b

by Megan McAuley Tuesday, Apr. 25, 2006 at 7:15 PM
meganmcauley@yahoo.com

Mr. Led;
It is now 2006, April and just happened upon this thread because I had Ms. Phelan to my house for dinner 2 nights ago and started doing my on research about her credibility.
But my question to you is this, you say that you drink very little water in your home but are you aware that your skin is the largest organ in your body and the water that it is surrounded by when you shower or bath is contaminated by chlorine and floride and who knows what in the future.
Chemtrails are a realilty, just look up!
Old wise saying, "We keep being brought to a point of choice until we choose correctly for ourselves."
Megan
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"Real" TRUTH is sometimes stranger than fiction

by Whitewraithe Thursday, Jun. 29, 2006 at 8:41 PM

While I do appreciate Ms. Phelan’s effort to report another facet in the unending pursuit by TPTB to destroy us; unfortunately, (maybe fortunately) the revelation reaches us a bit too late. The t-valves are in place at their designated locations, although, for what ‘real purpose’ is eluded. So – what are the citizens of these cities and rural towns to do at this point? They surely cannot dig them up. This appears to be another piece in a long line of disinformation tactics meant to deflect our brains from the real, true issues, which gravely concern every American. Right now, the thought of another piece of infrastructure, one possibly to further hasten my demise, is a moot point. Why, you say? Because it is just another circumstance, that is already in place, perpetrated by the “the Zionist Ruling Class”, that mean to dominate every person on the planet. And we are powerless to change, the already established fact that they (t-valves) are there, regardless of the purpose. Another ‘moot’ point! Since 1954, the country’s water supply has become so contaminated with fluoride, chloramines, etc., which are already highly ‘toxic’ to humans, so one more additional poison will not make that much difference. (http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/chloraminated_water.html) Not to forget, lethal chemicals and contaminants on a daily basis surround America’s general populous; it is a wonder we are still breathing. From the time we awake until we close our eyes at the day’s end; our chemical buddies tag along for the ride. From toothpaste, fluoridated water, toiletries: bathwash, shampoo, beauty products; to laundry products, household cleaners, dishwasher detergents, rinse agents, disinfectants, air/odor spray, in-home bug spray (which stays on the walls, floors, and carpet for months). And this is just the beginning! (http://www.newstarget.com/008511.html) Those of you, that dismiss the 'inconceivable idea' that America is quietly and deceptively being usurped by the Zionist's ruling class, is going to be very surprised when you're hauled off to a FEMA camp by the SSB (Strategic Support Branch). (http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/fema.htm Don't believe me, though - but do make it your primary goal to do the research before discrediting another person's, even though your logical brain tells you that the idea is preposterous, and therefore, irrelevant. Link to the three-part article at Onlinejournal.com for a comprehensive overview on WHO and what the ‘New World Order’ actually is and what it means to each and every one of us, and further – THE REASONS WHY AMERICA HAS RUN OUT OF TIME. My countless hours researching this ‘abomination of humanity’, (if one can actually refer to these monsters as humans), over several years is culminated by Mr. Tibor Friedman and worth everyone’s undivided attention. THE BIGGEST CON: Democrats and Republicans work together to destroy America, Part 1 THE BIGGEST CON: Part 2 THE BIGGEST CON: Part 3 To quote the greatest of fictional detectives, Mr. Sherlock Holmes, "When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth".
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mAdd

by pRoFeSsOr Saturday, Oct. 07, 2006 at 11:08 AM
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Whew !

You know I can understand the mother (Amilie's) poem, and her daughter in the video, why they would think that they were targets merely because they were jewish. Chances are, were I them, I would assume the same. Actually though, it seems pretty apparent to me that the reason that they were targeted was not so much racial prdjudice as it was her work in researching that water project! That would be enough to single someone out for assination where there to be real fire behind that smoke, and because of her deplorable story of the way she was treated, I would say that adds more credence to her story, than all the documentation and photos she supplies, which are no small amount either! There are too many jewish people involved in the new world order though, for me to think that they were planning on extermination of all the jews. But they will sacrifice those jews they have to, to secure their goals, just as the anglo's involved in the NWO will also sacrifice there own brethern too, that will not go along with their program for the dragons electronic rationing system!

I doubt that they would use such a project to totally poison the political dissidents however, because there are to many people disenchanted with the new world order to poison them all via the water supply, without that becoming known, as the dissidents like us are scattered all across the land, and some hospital or some doctor somewheres would do an autopsy and the thing would become known. And becoming known, then the perpratrators would swing from the gallows as public indignation rose up.

Yet, that is not to say that Janets work is not a very good expose of what is planned to become our future. I am merely suggesting that the substance that is to be added selectively to the individual households requiring such Orwellian treatment, that they would most probably not be administered lethal doses of poison, whereby it would be found out quickly. But instead the method would more likely be subtle, not actually killing the victims, just sort of lobotomizing them via drugs.

And if accomplished that way, then coupled with the modern technological methods of profiling the population, whatever drug was administered surreptiously to whichever dissident household, it could be targerted selectively according to the individual so that a variety of drugs could be utilized, creating a variety of responses in the various victims, which of course would leave a much less noticeable pattern for people to wake up and realize what was going on, as the case would be if they all turned up in the morgue dead from the same drug!

The different designer drugs then could be administered via the T-valve in such a way as to create results hard to trace. An example would be to give a young single woman or man in the prime of their life some date rape type of viagra drug, to get them preoccupied with sex and take their mind off of their political resistance, and even perhaps cause them to commit some sex act whereby they could be discredited or imprissoned. And others thought not to be vulnerable to that approach that maybee had an allergy, some substance to irritate their allergies could be administered to decapacitate them from being effective in their resistance without actually killing them, leaving dead bodies all over the place to cause suspicion. While still others they could merely cause them to become addicted to some narcotic which addiction would prevent rational thought.

At any rate, it would be a good idea to use bottled water if you are a dissident and resisting the new world order. That much is glaringly apparent, and a good idea anyway, even not mentioning the T-valve conspiracy, but just considering the quality of the water supply in the cities and towns without even any intentional poisoning of it!

Heh, it is later than most folks think. By the time the system crashes they shall have it all wrapped up so tight that the choices will be hard indeed!
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inducing toxins

by yayaimhipimhip Tuesday, Oct. 24, 2006 at 1:30 PM
yayaimhipimhip@hotmail.com 909-882-3627 1592 windsor st

Believe someone already touched base with this concept, but I'll add for effect. Why are people assuming water must be ingested?

A Shower, bath, doing dishes, washing the car, running thru the sprinkers usually will get one wet. Toxins now have plausibly been introduced to the body.

I'll admit this is a hard concept to swallow, because its such a grandoise scale; but to dismiss it without further research and investigation when enough red flags are raised with the questions then avoidance...and to put it past our government to do such a thing is just

Unamerican

IMMHO, of coarse
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Don't usually agree with Nietzsche

by libdave Monday, May. 21, 2007 at 6:00 PM

But in this case he is right on the money...

The most perfidious way of harming a cause consists of defending it deliberately with faulty arguments.
~ Friedrich Nietzsche
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Solution?

by ReverseOsmosis Thursday, Jun. 07, 2007 at 1:31 AM

Solution.. whole house Reverse Osmosis Filter:

http://www.aaaqualitywater.com/Reverse_Osmosis-Merlin_whole_house_ro_system.html

These have traditionally cost over $20,000.00 or more. These new systems from GE can be purchased for under $4000.00!

Oh, and R/O Filters DO remove flouride!!
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GE Merlin R/O Filter - Whole House

by R/O Man Thursday, Jun. 07, 2007 at 1:35 AM


http://www.google.com/search?q=ge+merlin+%22whole+house%22">Google Search for "whole house" GE Merlin
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Whole House R/O for Under $2,000!

by WooHoo! Thursday, Jun. 07, 2007 at 1:36 AM

http://cgi.ebay.com/GE-MERLIN-REVERSE-OSMOSIS-WHOLE-HOUSE-or-BUSINESS_W0QQitemZ190113554929QQcmdZViewItem">Here's one on ebay for $1990!!
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ms

by susan Thursday, Jun. 07, 2007 at 6:46 PM
workingwonders@aol.com 999-555-1212

Here's a company with a product
for $169.00
a water filteration that works
without an electricity --

FREE ENERGY

IT will allow you to dump in any type of water
incl. stream water
and, purify it

that's quite a good price AT $169.00

THEY ship all over the world

i'd rather be safe than be sorry

and, without the need for electricity to work
every home should have one

it's under the product section
under water products

looks interesting

http://www.rgarden.net/workingwonders
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CHEM-BIO WARFARE ON AMERICANS

by Peter Kawaja Sunday, Jun. 10, 2007 at 8:51 AM
peterkawaja@agwva.org

The origin of the Public Extermination Project by water poisoning was revealed in 1990 by Peter Kawaja at Operation Desert Storm and throughout the years over the internet since 1995 via the document; "THE SADDEST CHAPTER OF AMERICAS HISTORY is now being written". More information can be found by visiting Kawaja's various websites, such as : http://www.againstthegrain.info .
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AlterEgo

by ZenGirl Saturday, Jun. 16, 2007 at 8:40 AM

Just so you know.....there are data bases of apartment dwellers. I'm a realtor. I use the info from those data bases as a way to prospect for new clients. Apartment dwellers are potential home buyers. It does exist.
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17 million jews killed ?

by Britton Wednesday, Jun. 20, 2007 at 4:54 PM

Who was doing the killing? ****** http://www.biblestudysite.com/bcomm.htm
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Remote Shut-Off Or Turn-On Valves

by AV Thursday, Jul. 19, 2007 at 9:06 AM
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Why wouldn't you want remote control valves at every house. You wouldn't have to worry about the log handled "key" wrenches you have to use to turn on and turn off water to those you want to deal with when they start or resume water service or when you wnat to cut them off because of bill non payment. Come on now this is nothing that is so strange or unfathomable nor is it something that is not in the best interests of the water companies. I knew people years ago who used to make "keys" and sell them. What better way to put them and non-bill payers out of business but to install remote control or solenoid controlled valves??
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Remote Shut-Off Or Turn-On Valves

by AV Thursday, Jul. 19, 2007 at 9:08 AM
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Why wouldn't you want remote control valves at every house. You wouldn't have to worry about the log handled "key" wrenches you have to use to turn on and turn off water to those you want to deal with when they start or resume water service or when you wnat to cut them off because of bill non payment. Come on now this is nothing that is so strange or unfathomable nor is it something that is not in the best interests of the water companies. I knew people years ago who used to make "keys" and sell them. What better way to put them and non-bill payers out of business but to install remote control or solenoid controlled valves??
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In re: Well water (Jun. 28, 2005)

by ArthurOgawa Saturday, Sep. 01, 2007 at 8:32 AM

A rope leash wrote concerning well water.

Counties do impose requirements on well water, when the property changes owners or when the use changes (e.g., opening a restaurant). Typically, the requirement concerns the presence of e-coli bacteria, which would be an indication that your well is receiving water from some septic system's leach field or the like.

That said, there is no reason why you cannot continue to use your well water despite the presence of e-coli, particularly if those levels are low, and if you filter your drinking water.

If you do have a choice between using water provided by a governmantal agency and water from your own well, the clear choice would be the latter. You should certainly have your well water checked for micro-organisms and other contaminants (heavy metals, organic chemicals, etc.)

Come to think of it, why not check your municipal water? Having information is always better than ignorance.

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concerned

by Major Bong Sunday, Feb. 10, 2008 at 8:31 PM

check this out: I live in rural Alberta. Canada. if u all remember a few years back, maybe like 10, a small town in the Ontario Province, I think. was poisioned by ecoli and a few people died. since then here in alberta all small towns have been hooking up to the big city water supply. Alll in the name of clean water, What they are not telling people is that Edmonton and Calgary are using floride in their water. Flouride is bad http://www.fluoridealert.org. Dont take my word for it look up the MSDS sheet, practially everything is "unknown" and the stuff that is, says its lethal. its used as a rat poision for God sake!
anyway i made it a point to call everyone , alberta health , environment canada...even my local government official. total wast of time. so i called the guy in charge of putting it into the water supply. I found out they are putting 2 ppm in the water here and studies have shown (http://www.fluoridealert.org) that 1.5 ppm is detremental to our bodies....actually even 1 ppm can harm a small child even kill if u use tap water for baby formula. THIS IS THE SMOKING GUN PEOPLE!!! Here in canada all food products have to label all ingredients in 2 languages, but they don't have to tell us whats in the public drinking water it seems. They are drugging people by the thousands like this...and don't be fooled, unless u actually see the filtration system that bottled water is straight from the tap, I know a friend of mine used to own a major bottled water co. incedentally he was forced to sell......
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by htyg Thursday, Aug. 21, 2008 at 7:21 AM

A pity Major Bong cannot spell.
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weird Water pipe construction

by Gang stalking victim Friday, Sep. 19, 2008 at 4:15 AM

I am a victim of Gang Stalking occouring in Japan.
There are more than two thousands gang stalking victims in Japan alone.
And many of them claim weird water pipe constructions done in their neighbourhoods just like the one you've explained.

I myself is a one of such victims.
I moved many times as I was gang stalked by a gourp of perps.

But then I realized that each time I moved to a new place, there were weird water pipe constructions always start up in front of my house.

And one of the perp yelled at me saying,` we're gonna poison you to death`
I didn't realize what they meant by that at the time,
but now I know it.

I contacted the police about this matter, but you now what, somehow they never do a thing.



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Gazzy

by Gazzy Tuesday, Apr. 14, 2009 at 8:03 AM

When your countrys founded by thieves and murderers who stole the land and raped it of everything it had, do you really expect the decendants of those evil people to give a damn about you? lol!
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Hot tounge

by Rodney Monday, Nov. 23, 2009 at 5:25 PM

I recently taste my water and it burned my tongue. I talked to some plumbers and they said that the water may have mercury or other heavy metals in it.
I remember when they buried those blue lines in my neighborhood and the water has been bad ever since.
Mercury!!! Just like the H1N1 Virus shot
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South Africa New Pipes - What For???

by WTH is going on if this is BS?? Thursday, Apr. 01, 2010 at 9:20 AM

Our tap water has been potable. While the water affairs has it's problems - eg: skilled people have been lost and maintaining water purification could be/is a growing problem.

What HASN'T been a problem are the pipes to the average middle class home.... now all these blue pipes are being planted all over the place...... Why the new pipes when there are other more important priorities...

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Water tampering

by James Monday, Jun. 21, 2010 at 4:03 AM
jameshum@msn.com Albuquerque, NM

Blue pipes. So correct. I too have noticed blue pipes going in all over town.

I have witnessed the city over pressure lines in residential neighborhoods, to blow out he current lines, so that new lines can be installed.

Living in the volcanic SouthWest. Our fluoride background is higher than the federal mandated levels of the substance in water for public use. However if more than 25 people drink form a single source, as city supplied water. Then fluoride must be added. Federal mandate required of all water systems is the United States. This result in additional fluoride added to an already too high level as PPM per volume.

This level has killed fish and other small water living organisms. In fact the water killed one child’s gold fish and when the superintendent heard about it. He laughed and made jokes about it for months after word.

Chlorine addition has come to a new level of poisoning. Chlorine gas was administered at injection sites throughout the city. However qualified personnel to keep the systems working was too expensive to maintain. The city then went to saltwater injection. They call it chlorine injection, however it is in reality only salt water. Mixing 100% concentrated brine (salt) water makes the solution. Running it through an electrolysis system to convert some of the saltwater to chlorine gas. To include other by-products you do not want in the water system. The total conversion of sodium chloride to free chlorine is less than 3%. The rest of the solution is by-products and 90% brine or plain salt water. This does not seem to be much until one realizes the scope of the additions. 6 tons of salt per month is added to each of 40 stations within the city.
That works out to be 480,000 pounds of salt added to the drinking water each month. With a population of about 700,000 in town. This equals out to over ½ pound of salt added to each persons diet every month.

There is an abundance of cardiac, thyroid and other health problems in this city. Wonder why? Seems everyone has blood pressure problems too.

I am not much on knee jerk reaction to conspiracy theories. I try to investigate every claim as well as possible. This is true however on how the water systems are becoming tampered with. I know as I worked for this city for a very-very long time. I became tired of the BS and political atmosphere tied with my job. So I left several years ago, dug my own well, and now I am better off than ever before.


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Water tampering

by James Monday, Jun. 21, 2010 at 4:10 AM
jameshum@msn.com Albuquerque, NM

Blue pipes. So correct. I too have noticed blue pipes going in all over town.

I have witnessed the city over pressure lines in residential neighborhoods, to blow out he current lines, so that new lines can be installed.

Living in the volcanic SouthWest. Our fluoride background is higher than the federal mandated levels of the substance in water for public use. However if more than 25 people drink form a single source, as city supplied water. Then fluoride must be added. Federal mandate required of all water systems is the United States. This result in additional fluoride added to an already too high level as PPM per volume.

This level has killed fish and other small water living organisms. In fact the water killed one child’s gold fish and when the superintendent heard about it. He laughed and made jokes about it for months after word.

Chlorine addition has come to a new level of poisoning. Chlorine gas was administered at injection sites throughout the city. However qualified personnel to keep the systems working was too expensive to maintain. The city then went to saltwater injection. They call it chlorine injection, however it is in reality only salt water. Mixing 100% concentrated brine (salt) water makes the solution. Running it through an electrolysis system to convert some of the saltwater to chlorine gas. To include other by-products you do not want in the water system. The total conversion of sodium chloride to free chlorine is less than 3%. The rest of the solution is by-products and 90% brine or plain salt water. This does not seem to be much until one realizes the scope of the additions. 6 tons of salt per month is added to each of 40 stations within the city.
That works out to be 480,000 pounds of salt added to the drinking water each month. With a population of about 700,000 in town. This equals out to over ½ pound of salt added to each persons diet every month.

There is an abundance of cardiac, thyroid and other health problems in this city. Wonder why? Seems everyone has blood pressure problems too.

I am not much on knee jerk reaction to conspiracy theories. I try to investigate every claim as well as possible. This is true however on how the water systems are becoming tampered with. I know as I worked for this city for a very-very long time. I became tired of the BS and political atmosphere tied with my job. So I left several years ago, dug my own well, and now I am better off than ever before.


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Filter the stuff

by nonk Monday, Jun. 21, 2010 at 4:45 AM

use an activated charcoal filter which should pull out most of the active and inert contaminates. But then, even commercial beverages contain these compounds so don't consume from commercial sources and make your own toothpaste* and beverages.
Stop using commercial deodorants and use baking soda if you want to reduce your toxic load.
Here's the point:
There IS an extermination project going on that dwarfs this minor facet of the population ' overburden' solution, being scrutinized by this piece.

*use a shell flour and ground charcoal and bentinite clay mixture.
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dont drink the water??

by Barb Thursday, Jan. 13, 2011 at 1:27 PM
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Havent you heard? Bottle water is so dangerous becuase no Governm,ent regulates the content or the processing. Besides, the plastic is very bad for your health. This is another method they have at their disposal to get at you. Don't drink the tap water, don't drink plastic bottle water, drink well water!!
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by valerie eggers Friday, May. 06, 2011 at 4:55 PM

Funny, Bush is culprit? What has Obama done to stop this?
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by iEvolutiOne Thursday, Oct. 13, 2011 at 4:35 AM

Check out Section 817 of US Patriot Act of 2001 expanded under Obama 2011 <<< Expansion of Biological Weapons Statue >>> Authorization of poison ‘projects’ “planned use of water as a weapon” against US citizens.
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You Shall Know The Truth and The Truth Shall Set You Free!

by a voice calling in the wilderness Thursday, Jun. 26, 2014 at 3:00 AM

Thank you ms phelan for blowing the trumpet, but there's an even louder trumpet that will sound...

Of all the questions you will ask yourself in life, the most important is, Am I good enough to go to Heaven? The answer to that question will have eternal consequences. The way to find out is to ask yourself if you have obeyed God's standard of goodness, the Ten Commandments. Most would say, "Well, I've broken one or two, but nothing too serious, like murder, etc." So, let's go through them and see how you do:

1. YOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME.
Is God first in your life? Do you love God above all else? Imagine you purchased a TV for your children, but the next evening you arrived home from work and found that they didn't even bother to greet you. They were too busy watching television. By ignoring you because they preferred to watch TV, they were setting their love on the gift rather than the giver, a wrong order of affections. In the same way, if we love anything - our spouse, our children, or even our own lives-more than we love God, we are setting our affection on the gift rather than the Giver, which is a transgression of the First Commandment. In fact, the Bible says that we should love God so much that our love for our family should seem like hatred compared to the love we have for the God who gave those loved ones to us.

Have you loved God with all your heart? If not, you have committed the oldest sin in the Book. You be the judge. On Judgment Day, will you be innocent or guilty of breaking that Commandment? I'm not judging you - I'm asking you to judge yourself before the Day of Judgment.

2. YOU SHALL NOT MAKE FOR YOURSELF ANY GRAVEN IMAGE.
This means that we shouldn't make a god to suit ourselves, either with our hands or with our mind. Have you made a god in your mind that you're comfortable with-where you say, "My god is a loving god who would never send anyone to Hell"? Perhaps your god doesn't mind a "white" lie or fib here and there - in fact, he doesn't have any moral dictates. In reality, that god doesn't exist; he's a figment of your imagination. If your god is not the One revealed in Holy Scripture, then you have made an image of God to suit yourself, something the Bible calls idolatry. Scripture warns that no idolater will enter the kingdom of Heaven (1 Cor. 6:9).

3. YOU SHALL NOT TAKE THE NAME OF THE LORD YOUR GOD IN VAIN.
Have you ever taken God's name in vain-using it flippantly, like "OMG," or in place of a four-letter word to express disgust? Even Hitler's name wasn't despised enough to use as a curse word. If you have taken the holy name of the God who gave you life and used it in that manner, that's called blasphemy, and the Bible says, "The LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain" (Ex. 20:7).

4. REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY, TO KEEP IT HOLY.
I ignored this command for 22 years. Even though God gave me the gift of life, I didn't give Him one day in seven. I was guilty of breaking this Commandment.

5. HONOR YOUR FATHER AND YOUR MOTHER.
Have you always honored your parents implicitly, treating them in a way that's pleasing to God? This doesn't mean you honor them only if you think they are good parents. We are to respect and obey them just because they are our parents. Ask God to remind you of the sins of your youth. You may have forgotten them, but God hasn't.

6. YOU SHALL NOT MURDER.
The Bible warns that if we are angry at someone without cause we are in danger of judgment, and that "whoever hates his brother is a murderer" (1 John 3:15). We can violate God's Law by our attitude and intent. Have you broken this Commandment by harboring anger or hatred toward someone? If so, God sees you as guilty of murder, and "no murderer has eternal life abiding in him."

7. YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY.
Who of us can say that we are pure of heart? Jesus warned, "Whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matt. 5:28). God has seen every thought you have had and every sin you have ever committed. The day will come when you will have to face His Law, and we are told that the impure, fornicators (those who have sex before marriage), and adulterers will not enter the kingdom of God (1 Cor. 6:9,10).

8. YOU SHALL NOT STEAL.
Have you ever taken something that didn't belong to you, regardless of its value? This includes stealing an answer on a test, taking a pen from work, even keeping extra change that you know isn't rightfully yours. If you've taken anything that isn't yours, then you are a thief-and you cannot enter God's kingdom (1 Cor. 6:9,10).

9. YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS.
Have you ever told a lie? Then that would make you a liar. You may not think deceitfulness is a serious sin, but God does. "Lying lips are an abomination to the Lord" (Prov. 12:22), because He is a God of truth and holiness. The Bible warns that all liars will have their part in the Lake of Fire (Rev. 21:8).

10. YOU SHALL NOT COVET.
Have you ever coveted (jealously desired) anything that belongs to another person? That's a violation of the Tenth Commandment, and the covetous will not inherit the kingdom of God (Eph. 5:5).

Who of us can say we are not guilty of breaking these Commandments? All of us have sinned, and just as with man's law, you only have to break one law to be guilty. The Bible warns, "For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all" (James 2:10).

A little girl was once watching sheep grazing and thought how white they looked against the green background. But when it began to snow she thought, "The sheep now look dirty against the white snow!" It was the same sheep, but with a different background. When we compare ourselves to man's standard we look pretty clean, but when we compare ourselves to the pure snow-white righteousness of God's standard, His moral Law, we can see ourselves in truth: that we are unclean in His sight. The Bible says it is appointed for men to die once and then face judgment, and that Law is the holy standard by which humanity will be judged on Judgment Day.

To be good enough to go to Heaven, we must be perfect-in thought, word, and deed. So on the Day of Judgment, will you be innocent or guilty of breaking God's Law? You know you will be guilty. This may sound strange, but the worst thing you could do at this point is to try to clean up your lifestyle; you may realize that you have sinned and think that from now on you will keep the Ten Commandments, do good deeds, say the right things, and think only pure thoughts. But should a judge let a murderer go because he says he will now live a good life? No; the criminal is in debt to justice and therefore must be punished.

Perhaps you think that God is good and will therefore overlook your sins. But if you were guilty of terrible crimes in a civil court and said to the judge, "Judge, I am guilty but I believe you are a good man and will therefore overlook my crimes," the judge would probably respond by saying, "You are right about one thing; I am a good man, and it's because of my goodness that I am going to see that justice is done, that you are punished for your crimes." The very thing that many people are hoping will save them on Judgment Day, God's goodness, will be the very thing that will condemn them. If God is good, He must punish murderers, liars, thieves, etc., and God's place of punishment is the "prison" of Hell.

What a terrible place Hell must be! If you hear that a man received a $5 fine for a crime, you could conclude that his crime was insignificant. But if he received the death sentence, you could conclude that his crime was heinous. In the same way, we can catch a glimpse of how abominable sin must be in the sight of an utterly holy God by the punishment given for it: "The wages of sin is death" (Rom. 6:23) and eternity in Hell. Ungrateful humanity never bothers to thank God for His wonderful blessings of life, color, light, food, joy, beauty, love, and laughter, so He will take those blessings away from them. Instead of showing their gratitude by obeying Him, they use His name to curse. Their punishment will be just and severe to the uttermost. According to the Bible, Hell is a place of eternal, conscious torment, where the "worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched"; there is "weeping and gnashing of teeth," "everlasting punishment," and "eternal fire . . . the blackness of darkness forever."

I am afraid for you, but I am not the only one who doesn't want you to end up in Hell. The person who gave you this tract cared enough to give it to you and risk rejection, and God Himself is not willing that you perish. Because God is rich in mercy, He made a way for you to be forgiven. To make clear what an incredible thing He has done for you, let's look again to civil law: You are standing in front of a judge, guilty of very serious crimes. All the evidence has been presented and there is no doubt about your guilt. The fine for your crime is $1,000,000 or life imprisonment, but you haven't two pennies to rub together. The judge is about to pass sentence . . . he lifts his gavel, when someone you don't even know steps in and pays the fine for you. Justice has been served, the law has been satisfied, and you are now free to go. What's more, the one who paid your fine showed how much he cares for you. His payment was evidence of his love.

That's what God did for you, 2,000 years ago. He sent His Son, Jesus of Nazareth, to pay your death penalty in your place. Jesus died on the cross on your behalf, so that you could live. You are guilty; He paid the fine. It is that simple. The Bible puts it this way: "Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us . . . But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us" (Gal. 3:13; Rom. 5:8).

It was no small thing for Jesus to die for us. The only thing that would satisfy the demands of Eternal Law was the shed blood of the sinless Son of God. What love God must have for you! Jesus suffered unspeakable agony, so that you wouldn't have to be punished for your sins. Then three days later He arose from the dead, defeating death. His sacrificial death and resurrection mean that you need no longer be in debt to the Law, and God can now grant you everlasting life if you obey the gospel.

What should you then do? Simply repent (turn from your sins) and put your trust in Jesus Christ as your Savior and Lord. Don't put it off; you may not have tomorrow - 150,000 people die every 24 hours. Would you sell an eye for a million dollars? How about both for $20 million? No one in his right mind would. Your eyes are priceless to you, yet they are merely the windows of your soul. Your life (your soul) is of such value that Jesus said that you should despise the value of your eye in comparison. He said that if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you, for it is better to enter Heaven blind, than to go to Hell with both eyes. In other words, of all the things that you should prioritize in your life, it's not your health, your vocation, etc. - it's your eternal salvation.

Can you see your predicament? You are guilty of sinning against God Himself, and because He has given you a conscience, you know right from wrong. "Conscience" means "with knowledge," so isn't it true that every time you lied, stole, etc., you did it with knowledge that it was wrong?

Does the fact that you have sinned against God scare you? It should. You have actually angered Him by your sin. The Bible says His wrath abides on you, that you are an enemy of God in your mind through wicked works. But let fear work for your good, in the same way that a fear of jumping out of a plane mid-flight would make you put on a parachute. Let your will to live open your heart to the gospel of salvation.

Think of a man who has committed adultery. His faithful wife is more than willing to take him back, so what is the attitude in which he should approach her? It should be one of tremendous humility, asking for forgiveness, and determining in his heart never to even think of committing adultery again. That's how you should approach God. If you are not sure how to pray, read Psalm 51 and make it your prayer. Turn from your sins and put your faith in Jesus Christ in the same way you would put your faith in a parachute to save you. You don't just "believe" it will benefit you, you actually entrust your life to it by putting it on. The Bible says, "Put on the Lord Jesus Christ" (Rom. 13:14). When you do that, God will forgive every sin you've ever committed and grant you the gift of eternal life. Then read the Bible daily and obey what you read.

Some sites of interests, if you wish to take off the blinkers and step into the light because you've been in the dark to long:

http://www.cfcindia.com/web/mainpages/home_page.php

http://fanaticforjesus.blogspot.co.uk/

http://ephesians511blog.net/

http://galatiansfour.blogspot.co.uk/

http://educate-yourself.org/

http://intheknow7.wordpress.com/2011/02/13/bob-hope-u-s-o-monarch-slave-troupe-over-40yrs-of-mk-ultra-pimpin-video/

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