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Public Extermination Project
by Janet C. Phelan •
Saturday, Aug. 14, 2004 at 1:45 PM
(213) 861-6139 P.O. Box 2941 Venice, CA 90294
A specifc public works project became "classified" following 911. This project, which has been on-going throughout the U.S., has lethal capabilities for innocent U.S. citizens.
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There has been intensive media attention since 911 to the resultant war on terrorism and our aggression in Afghanistan and Iraq. The media has, however, failed to report a shocking post 911 “project” here in the U.S.
Following 911, there began intensive and concentrated infrastructure work that has lethal capabilities and intent. In an extremely non-forthcoming governmental atmosphere, I have been able to document a small portion of this work, which was ongoing in Los Angeles County in the spring of 2004.
Through the use of t-valves, the government can regulate, on an individualized, residence by residence basis, the introduction of another substance into the water lines. As fluoride goes in at the plant, we are not dealing with the capability to add fluoride. It is quite a bit more nefarious than that.
In the first interview in May, 2004, with Engineer Mike Downs and Head Engineer Julie Spacht, Department of Water and Power, downtown Los Angeles office, the two engineers issued a blanket denial that t-valves were used in any capacity by DWP. Spacht stated that she had never heard of t-valves, and asked, somewhat disingenuously, whether I could draw one so that she could see what they looked like.
Several days later, I happened upon surface work by DWP contractor Spiniello Co. The work involving t-valves is generally done under the street; however, the surface work on La Brea Avenue between Washington and Venice Blvds. revealed a t-valve in front of every house.
When I informed Downs that I had the valves on film, it seemed to jog his memory. When I asked him to state in writing the DWP policy on t-valves, he submitted a fax (Exhibit A) stating that t-valves were never used in mainline construction (note the capitalization and bold type used for emphasis).
Photograph 1 is a t-valve on mainline construction on Washington Blvd. and Harcourt, under the authority of DWP.
According to Spiniello workers, every single t-valve is being replaced by ones that respond to computer commands. The Spiniello foreman at this job site revealed that the main computer is in a centralized location.
Photograph 2 features the replacement t-valve. It is manufactured by Tyton. The picture was taken at the above site, prior to installation.
We must now consider why DWP, through Downs, is misstating fact about something as seemingly benign as regulatory valves. As a rule of thumb, there is generally no cover-up unless there is something to hide.
I have secured a sample directly from a DWP water line. It is simply toxic, causing extreme cardiac discomfort. However, it tastes just like water.
In order to fully understand the implications here, we must comprehend the larger context. Students of history are aware of the striking similarities between 911 and the Reichstag fires in Hitler’s pre-war Germany. Briefly, Hitler had his own troops burn down the German Parliament. Hitler then blamed the fires on the Communists, in order to obtain the powers to govern under a bogus “state of emergency.”
911 and the resultant Patriot Act have essentially duplicated the political situation here in the U.S. The media has dutifully reported the increased incidence of surveillance, the governmental intrusion into library and bookstore records, and other losses of civil liberties. However, the media has failed to explicate that we have also lost the right to “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.” More specifically, the right to life. Ask any civil rights lawyer. If you can still find one.
The tie in the t-valve project now becomes clear: our government is denying the capability of making additions into the water system when the work is ongoing. If the introduction of a toxic substance into the lines were planned, would they admit it? It might cause a generalized panic.
For those concerned how our own leadership could possibly be involved in such a questionable matter, one needs to understand the ongoing relationship between the Bush family and Adolph Hitler. It has been well documented by Webster Tarpley and Antonin Chaitkin in the book, “George Bush: An Unauthorized Biography,” that our President’s grandfather, Senator Prescott Bush, was funneling millions of dollars into Hitler’s war effort through Union Bank Corporation. In October, 1942, the government seized UBC under the Trading with the Enemies Act, declaring the bank to be a Nazi front. Prescott Bush was at that time a director of UBC. For those who are interested in further documentation of this, I refer you to chapter 2 of the above cited book.
The Bush-Hitler connection did not end with the seizing of the bank. It simply became more covert and less easy to detect. It was continued on through Skull and Bones, the Yale secret society with massive Nazi connections, into which both Presidents Bush immersed themselves at Yale.
It is important here to understand that using water as a medium for poisoning had its genesis in the Nazi prison camps, where the first introduction of the hotly debated compound sodium fluoride was used as a form of hippocampal dulling.
According to Charles Perkins, who was appointed post-war head of the German chemical giant I.G. Farben, “The real reason behind water fluoridation is not to benefit children’s teeth…The real purpose behind water fluoridation is to reduce the resistance of the masses to domination, control and loss of liberty…The German chemists worked out a very ingenious and far-reaching plan of mass-control which was submitted to and adopted by the German General Staff. This plan was to control the population in any given area through mass medication of drinking water supplies…Repeated doses of infinitesimal amounts of fluoride will in time reduce an individual’s power to resist domination, by slowly poisoning and narcotizing a certain area of the brain, thus making him submissive to the will of those who wish to govern him.”
His remarks were reinforced by Dr. E.H. Bonner, who was the great Albert Einstein’s nephew: “Even in small quantities sodium fluoride is a deadly poison to which no effective antidote has ever been found.” For those wishing a more complete reading on this subject, please reference “The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben,” by Joseph Borken.
It is necessary to reiterate here that in the case of the Los Angeles DWP sample, we are not dealing with fluoride. This report touches on the Nazi use of fluoride as an example of using the water system for purposes that were contrary to the welfare of those imbibing the water.
To recap, there are definite similarities between 911 and Hitler’s Reichstag fires.
Because of 911, we have lost the right to live.
An introduction of another substance into the water lines could prove deadly.
According to Mike Downs, the water records became “classified” the week after 911.
He is attempting to deceive this reporter by denying that the valve that simply has the capability to introduce another substance into the water system is even used by DWP.
Add to this galmaufrey the extensive relationship between the Bush family and Adolph Hitler and his spiritual descendants, and the picture comes into focus.
Through the use of t-valves, concentration camps become unnecessary. The U.S. government now has the capability of exterminating whoever they wish through its own water system. No muss, no fuss, no heart-wrenching scenes of rounding people up and transporting them off to a highly uncertain future.
When they are ready for the Big Kill, when they have determined which residences will receive “death water” and which will be bypassed (the function of a t-valve in front of every residence), a switch will be thrown and what Hitler began will be accomplished.
In this context, the reason for the “oops-no-weapons-of-mass-destruction” war in Iraq becomes transparent. We now have a base with proximity to Israel. When Israel, the refuge established for the Jewish people after the horrific events perpetrated by Hitler, gets hit and expunged from the planet, we will face, once again, genocide. This time it will occur in the flagship for democracy in the world.
Hitler had his showers; Bush has his water lines.
God help us all.
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Janet C. Phelan August 7, 2004
There have been enormous obstacles to obtaining any documentation for this story. Within 24 hours of my first request for water records at Santa Monica City Hall, I was forced to resign from my position as columnist for the Santa Monica Daily Press.
Nevertheless, I continued on. The first request produced the letter from Joseph Lawrence, Assistant City Attorney, featured in attachment B. A reading of the Public Records Act indicated that Lawrence was misstating the PRA in his refusal to give records. In addition, his declaration that there were no documents responsive to the request is also dubious, in view of the fact that at that very time there was water line work in progress at the Santa Monica Pier, two blocks away from Lawrence's office.
My second request produced the letter featured in attachment C. This letter from the Santa Monica City Attorney's office misstated ths substance of my request. I had requested work orders on t-valves since September 2001, not in September 2001.
Recognizing that I was getting smoke blown at me, I filed a request with the City Clerk, Maria Stewart, to address the City Council concerning misstatements of the PRA and non-responsive communications from the City Attorney's office.
Ms. Stewart denied my request to be put on the agenda, and offered a slot under item 14, which requires no response from the City Council.
I then approached the City Manager's office concerning inaccessibility of appropriate channels to address this matter. That office produced the letter in attachment D, stating that my request for obtaining the work orders on t-valves was denied because of homeland security.
Despite the refusal of records, an on-site DWP worker offered to let me view blueprints he had in his company truck.
A perusal of the blueprints for the Washington-LaBrea area substantiated my hunch. There was a t-valve demarcated in front of every edifice. The worker also assured me that in the case of a multi-unit building, there was a t-valve for each individual unit.
There was also a second line.
In order to make an addition into the water system, a second line would be necessary.. The worker explained that this line was merely a conduit for transporting water great distances.
However, there were service lines connecting the second line onto the main line, as well as to the lines branching off onto the side streets, which calls into question the assertion that the second line is merely a transport line.
With the DWP worker's permission, I photographed a blueprint. The prints came out somewhat fuzzy, although the demarcation of two lines was clear.
I then secured the services of a professional photographer, and we arranged to go to a Spiniello work site to commit the blueprints to film, hopefully with greater resolution. When I called Spiniello, located in Santa Fe Springs,California, to inquire at which lcoation a crew would be, I was refused that information. The supervisor refusing to reveal where the DWP contracing company was working the first week in August, 2004, only identified himself as "Greg," and would not reveal his surname.
Considering the enormous difficulties in obtaining information on public works water projects, the documentation for this story is at this time not as complete as this reporter would have wished.
However, we have offered photos of valves that simply have a certain capability, and the denial by DWP that these are used at all in the capacity photographed.
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Attachment B
by Janet C. Phelan
Saturday, Aug. 14, 2004 at 1:45 PM
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Attachment C
by Janet C. Phelan
Saturday, Aug. 14, 2004 at 1:45 PM
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Attachment D
by Janet C. Phelan
Saturday, Aug. 14, 2004 at 1:45 PM
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Public Extermination Project
by Janet C. Phelan
Tuesday, Aug. 24, 2004 at 3:58 PM
Ms. Phelan is obviously onto something. DWP is constantly talking about "reclaimed water" with all the chemicals in it and putting all this pipe in the ground, it's pretty obvious that there's a parallel distribution system to provide good water to sections of town and bad to others. Guess who gets the good water? With flouride (rat poison), chlorine (chemical warfare agent), other "treatment chemicals" (highly toxic acids and bases), along with chemicals in "reclaimed water" it's obvious that DWP is putting poisonous, mutagenic water into the drinking water to affect changes at the behest of the New World Order. As you know, Bush is from Skull and Bones and therefore a high level member of the Illuminati. This doesn't bode well and is why I only drink pure rainwater. Do you understand Mandrake?
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Public Extermination Project
by Janet C. Phelan
Friday, Nov. 26, 2004 at 5:23 PM
TX
I live in the Dallas, TX area and have noticed this same activity for 2 years: Richarson, Garland, Sachse, Wylie, Dallas, Plano. What made it noticable was that construction started by schools first: elementary, middle. Then moved on to neighborhoods, mostly those of middle to low income. Seemed very strange. When coupled with the info in your article now seems to make sense.
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Public Extermination Project
by J Johnson
Friday, Nov. 26, 2004 at 5:25 PM
TX
I live in the Dallas, TX area and have noticed this same activity for 2 years: Richarson, Garland, Sachse, Wylie, Dallas, Plano. What made it noticable was that construction started by schools first: elementary, middle. Then moved on to neighborhoods, mostly those of middle to low income. Seemed very strange. When coupled with the info in your article now seems to make sense.
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STUART HASSEL
by STUART HASSEL
Thursday, Jan. 06, 2005 at 11:37 PM
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I heard the interview with Eben Rey and have further read on this website. Now what? I'm feeling very touched, empathetic and motivated. I want to help. What can I do? - Stuart
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STUART HASSEL
by STUART HASSEL
Friday, Jan. 07, 2005 at 12:12 AM
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I am feeling very sad and moved by your situation, your mother, and everything else that has happened, and feel like I would like to do something about it, to help.
The sadness and injustice is so overwhelming. I have also experienced much injustice and sadness in my life but not of such a magnitude. As passionate as I have felt about my experiences and situations - losing sleep, unable to function, no one to turn to - I can't imagine what you must have been through. I know it can feel like an eternal fire burning inside, like an obsession, especially when the situation never lets up but only gets worse.
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Mr.
by Bill Phillips
Monday, Jun. 27, 2005 at 8:56 PM
Service lines going to every building have a valve to shut off the water supply when needed. Service lines also have water meters, many of which are remotely read through radio waves by a drive-by or central computer. Spiniello's contracts and the blue-prints are readily available by requesting them from the project owner.
This article is based on some serious delusion, lack of basic understanding how water systems work and lack of logic. If someone wanted to contaminate the water supply they would do it at the plant or just downsteam from the plant, not at every building. There are 15 million people in the LA metro area. Why would someone try to tap into every service line when they could just connect to the mains?
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Disregard Phelan, Disregard Thatcher Collins...Mr. Nascar Knows What's Best!
by Roberto Chicago
Monday, Jun. 27, 2005 at 11:31 PM
Well, we should certainly all agree with arch-skeptic "thatcher collins."
A municipality seeking to quietly install the ability to shut off--via remote control-- any residence's or neighborhood's drinking water....why, that's even less convincing than a chemtrail!
And certainly Ms. Phelan's information is suspect or even totally worthless because her literary style or grammatical precision does not appeal to Mr. or Ms. " thatcher collins."
We can always depend upon the thatcher collinses of the nation to scoff at every "conspiracy theory" which threatens to disturb their blissful afternoon nap.
For my own part, I was more disgusted by Phelan's recounting of how the Santa Monica water department invoked the ridiculous "homeland security" mantra...than I was alarmed by the news that S.M. is installing parallel carrier lines and remote-control spot shutoffs.
Despite the imminent threat to the quality of our post-brunch siesta, whenever we hear "sorry, can't tell you because of homeland security" our cerebral bullshit alarms should begin to wail. The trouble is that for every redoubtable, critical-thinking Phelan, there's at least 144 smugly self-assured "thatcher collinses" who bridle whenever any dissonant news or notion threatens to blow a little grit onto their next glorious three-foot submarine sandwich repast. AM radio puffball/faker Art Bell's recent attack on all 9-11 skeptics is a fine example of this sub sandwich protectionism reflex.
The rooster can crow all it wants in the morning; if Farmer Brown has wads of cow dung stuffed into his ears and a pillow held tightly over his eyes, the new day--or a tornado-- will catch him snoring and unprepared..
Yep, we must agree with the excellent thatcher collins...to hell with alarmists and "chemtrail" paranoids! Let's look to a few of the many examples of paranoid alarmism in recent history, and see what fools the Chicken Littles of the world have been....
* So what if Pol Pot was quietly passing out thousands of axe handles and sledge hammers to his cadres, and setting up mysterious confinement camps in the hinterland?
* So what if the U.S. so-called Supreme Court rules that Wal-Mart can conspire with any corrupt municipal government to raze an entire street of apartment buildings, and turn the land those apartments formerly "blighted" into a superstore parking lot?
* So what if those thick-necked thugs with the toothbrush moustaches and diarrhea-brown home-made uniforms were scissoring rabbis' beards on the formerly tolerant streets of 1930s Berlin?
* So what if the USA's staunchest charity case/blackmailer/ally (Israel) has been repeatedly caught stealing Yankee defense secrets, and passing those stolen secrets on to Murkuh's purported enemies?
* So what if a steel-framed highrise building has never before in history collapsed due to fire...so what if even FEMA and NIST offer no explanation for the neat little falldown of WTC #7?
*So what if (un)depleted uranium has definitely been found to cause cancers and birth defects in both military and civilian populations present in conflict areas where DU was and still is sprayed about by Our Courageous Freedom-Bringing Troops?
*So what if the DEA decides ( in order to better justify its criminally useless existence) to attack, terrorise, and imprison random, critically ill people in the name of the mindless-but-profitable-for-some War On Hemp?
*So what if frail, befuddled octogenarians and terrified little children are now being assaulted by the Big Brother's post-9-11 version of the cattle prod?
*So what if Paul Wellstone's plane crashed in clear, calm weather, rather than the deadly, raging ice storm first touted by the mainstream lickass press? Didn't the worried airport manager _somehow_ take off in his plane, just 15 minurtes after the Wellstones' plane flew directly into the ground? Why hasn't anyone in the lamestream press asked how that airport manager could take off in weather which caused a more powerful aircraft (Wellstone's) flown by two experienced pilots, to crash and more oddly still, to burn into a small pile of white ash?
Any number of "thatcher collinses" in the mass media would urge you to "disregard" all such unrelated informational gobbledegook as conspiracy theory chemtrail stuff, and you know they're right.
As my good friend Mr. Nascar says: that's all conspiracy theorist NOISE, goddammit, and it's hard enough for me as it IS, layin' flat out on this saggy old busted couch, tanning in my TV's opioid moonglow, trying to scope out--beyond the Mt Fujiyama of my rhino-size fast-food belly--all of that hot lil' Paris Hilton as she boogies around on my cathode ray altar. Stop bothering me with your craziness about fluoride, anyways! So what if the guy what introduces that TOTALLY SAFE fluoride into my local water reservoir has to suit up like he's going to walk on the moon??? The American Dental Association says fluoride is good for us. Just like they said serious gum problems from mercury fillings, and allergic reactions, didn't (hardly) (almost totally never-ever) _ever_ happen, even when plenty of peer-reviewed scientific literature proved completely otherwise."
" Jeeze," Brother Nascar sayeth, "listen to Our Leaders and get a grip. You can't go around living your whole life in FEAR...how would you have a good time at DisneyWorld or the Firecracker 500 if you bought into that conspiracy stuff?"
" Lookit: even in the worst case, so what if next Monday the gub'mint announces they're going to levy a 15% War Tax on every single working Murkun, and when we kick up a fuss, they'll just shut down resistance by cutting off our water, via those remote-controlled T-valves? Shit happenz. Now, where the hell'd I put them cheeze-dipt pretzels?"
Taking my cue from Monsignore NasCar, I urge the reader to disregard Phelan, and even to disregard "thatcher collins." Heed instead the comfortable and canny Nascar, and be happy while the world again gradually bursts into flames from Pole to Pole. It's very shortly going to be time for us to revisit 1914 and 1939...the killers among us won't have their destructive urges thwarted as long as the party-hearty/Army Of One crowd.... are the majority of Murkuns.
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Brilliant!
by unknown erisian
Tuesday, Jun. 28, 2005 at 1:25 AM
You certainly lend an air of credibility to these arguments, to be sure. Especially when you perform the literary equivilent of gesticulating wildly.
And yet you wonder why conspiracy theorists catch so much hell from people....
When you are polarized by the "us v.s. them" mentality you just fuel the fires of dichtomy. The manifestation of greed, self-importance, mania, violence, etc. etc. in society at large is merely a reflection of the mass consciousness. It isnt just a handful of people at the top - its all the mindless drones underneath as well.
In other words, welcome to planet Earth.
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you wouldnt know awake if it slapped you in the face
by hail eris
Tuesday, Jun. 28, 2005 at 2:07 AM
Dont forget to wear your tinfoil hat, you bad-ass!
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Ahh the hat
by Mr. Kat
Tuesday, Jun. 28, 2005 at 4:47 AM
The final, out of gas, retort. Pissed off is right.
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WELL SAID MR. BROWNING!
by CONCERNED FOR OUR LIVES
Tuesday, Jun. 28, 2005 at 5:13 AM
Well said Sir! We do live in a dangerous world with no government representation in Washington DC. As with the article written here, I would have NO DOUBTS that something is taking place in LA. I live in a tiny lil podunk town in Nowhere'sville West Virginia and I've seen contractors all over the place putting WATER LINES in, even clear out in the Boonies on dirt /gravel roads where those people that live out there have perfectly good SPRINGS or WATER WELLS for their needs. WHY??? I sure do smell something rotton, and it ain't in Denmark! As for you poor misguided souls that think Bush and his neocon Zionist pigs are looking out for your interests, I pitty you in your ignorance. The true patriots of this Nation ARE pissed off at what we can clearly see going on. You need to get off the MSM tit like faux news and check out sources of TRUTH! Hell, the Europeans know more about what's going on here in the USA than most of YOU do. If you have guts enough to get an education, here are some websites to start with. http://www.davidicke.com Click on POPULAR HEADLINES. http://www.voxfux.com-features-stranger_than_fiction This is a short but quite well documented history of the USA and where and how Zionism affects us today. Every one should read this.
http//www.davidicke.com
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RE: VOXFUX LINK
by CONCERNED FOR OUR LIVES
Tuesday, Jun. 28, 2005 at 5:31 AM
CONCERNED FOR OUR LIVES
The link for voxfux didn't work. Will try it again here.
http--www.voxfux.com-features-stranger_than_fiction.htm
This link works.
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DWP Fiasco!!
by Michelle Jones
Tuesday, Jun. 28, 2005 at 6:11 AM
I find that a great deal of the article is most likely true. What I don't understand is your intent to discredit her. This is purely information, and informative it is. Do you not know the history of the Bushes and Hitler? It seems that we as Americans are walking around with blinders on, refusing to believe that our current government is slowly but surely (unless we raise or antennas and take action) intending to cause our demise. Look,Listen,Pray, and create love through knowledge and information(light). Ask questions, search for answers and intend to help in whatever way possible. the time is NOW! Peace, Michelle Jones
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Well water
by A rope leash
Tuesday, Jun. 28, 2005 at 6:54 AM
Here's a little story for America's "Heartland".
A few years back, I had a well dug on my family's property to supply my new home. All wells must be tested for contaminants, and ours was tested four times, each time coming up as positive for dangerous microbes.
Thus we were told not to drink , cook, or bathe in the water. Coincidently, the county had begun installing public water lines, and for a fee I could have hooked up to that, but, heck, I had already spent thousands on the well. I don't often drink the well water, but I bathe, shower, and cook with it. No one has gotten ill yet.
But wait, there's more. Another well on the property has been in use since the 1950s. I grew up drinking this water, as did many others in my family. We bragged on its qualities.
Recently, my brother decided to open a restaurant on the property. The health department tested the well water from the old well, and declared it unfit for consumption. They offered no explanation as to why we aren't all dead or sick from drinking it all of our lives. They forced my brother to hook up to the public water supply, at not a small cost. That public water stinks of chemicals, and tastes of them as well.
All of us here agreed that the non-certification of our wells was probably some kind of political ruse. I don't know it there is any conspiracy to drug the population, but I do know this from many years of experience: Folks who live in the city and drink flouridated water have better teeth than those who drink from wells. Conversely, most of the radical thinkers I know live in the boonies, and wouldn't drink public water on a bet.
As for whether or not the t-valve conspiracy story is valid...well, all I can say is that I wouldn't put it past them...
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t-valves
by cheech
Tuesday, Jun. 28, 2005 at 7:20 AM
they don't want to "contaminate" the water they want to enhance it where and when they wish. in case you've forgotten, flouridation back at the start was a governmental decision. no public input to the decision was allowed. the amount of flouride necessary to "prevent cavities" is cumulatively poisonous. why do you think we are instructed to spit out flouridated toothpaste? the effects on the mind are more prevelent than those on the teeth! why else did america stand by and watch g.w. bush and co. steal the presidential election and subsequently get re-elected? we all were witness to the fraud but did nothing. lets take the first step in controling our water supply and our minds and demand that the gov't stop flouridating our water. i think you'll be surprised by the gov't reaction to such a request.
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Speak Truth To Power
by JARnex
Tuesday, Jun. 28, 2005 at 8:01 AM
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People are getting annoyed.
Part of it may be as a result of talking until we are blue in the face about the rancid lies eructing freely at every opportunity from the mouths of the Bush Administration, and part of it may be the people who have read about how the 9/11/01 terrorist attacks were carried out by forces within the Bush Administration (this based on FACTS, not magical thinkspeak from Bush, Cheney blah blah blah).
I'd like to float a solution to this to continue the dialogue, and it is not to fight. We can all get angry, we can all get scared, but the continuing attacks on us as humans are within our control. Speak Truth to Power at every stage. I don't just mean in the unlikely event of meeting out beloved leader at a BBQ in your back yard (remember that crap?), but to police, local government, libraries, corner stores who ask for your ID to buy milk...whatever it is. Gather the facts, understand the mechanism and confront it at every stage, ALWAYS. Be loud and proud of who you are, and make sure they hear you. I can't promise that you won't go to jail, I can't promise that you won't suffer abuse. However, when we take ourselves into the mindset of KNOWING what these criminals are doing to OUR country, I wonder what will happen when 500,000 or a million AMERICANS turn up at the doors of power, at the Courts, at the Congress, at the White House, and demand answers? We will know for sure what the intentions are. And never forget, Bush will be just as scared as we are now if we just confront them all the time. There are 290 MILLION of us, and one of him.
Good luck everyone.
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water
by talentkeyhole
Tuesday, Jun. 28, 2005 at 8:09 AM
obviously maybe connect the dots
ruffzarfumbra anyone? the government has no hold on me. it's no longer live and learn, but learn and live. the days of winning the hearts and minds of the populace are over. the attack is straight forward. if they come for you it is because you are a threat, be it however small, to the program. be prepared. the psy-war waged against the citizenry of america is almost complete, ushering in the technological implementation of electromagnetic mind stimulation to complete the process. this government is not by or for the people. it is unwavering in its agenda and total in its motivation. in-between no longer exists. you are in or out and both are losing prospects. the insurgents known as "free thinkers" are on the endangered species list and are on their way to extinction. who will succeed? will the will of the american people prevail? or will it be manipulated and used against us? time will tell.
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Concerned
by Suspicions Confirmed
Tuesday, Jun. 28, 2005 at 8:11 AM
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I have long suspected this was the New World Order's next carnage. I live in Dearborn Michigan and there is the same type of construction and installation of water pipes and such in neighborhoods across the city.
The solution? DO NOT drink the TAP Water, buy bottled distilled water or water from a trusted source.
Anyone with half a brain after reading the numerous coincedental construction going should be outraged and sickened. There is a governmental conspiracy to establish a quasi world Empire/Kingdom, if you are of the feeble minded and Do Not have knowledge of this or you don't believe it you are a POOR soul.
Many people are asleep at the wheel, many good intentioned persons are like walking zombies and oblivious as to what is transpiring around them.
Start speaking up NOW! NOW! Or else these Evil masters will soon get their New World Order and then it will be too late for all of us.
WAKE UP AMERICA!
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Mass assembly
by A rope leash
Tuesday, Jun. 28, 2005 at 8:29 AM
I agree with JAR that mass assembly is about all we can do at this point. I'm thinking about The Berlin Wall, or Tiannemen Square.
But, I also think it's too late. Remember the '60s? Abbey Hoffman, Jerrry Rubin. Those movements had leaders. How can we do anything without some kind of leadership and organization?
We are in an odd situation where there are huge numbers of angry people, but they have no real ability to act on it. Our media, for the most part, denies this anger, and acts as if it doesn't exist, so many of these angry folks tend to think they are the minority.
Millions standing in front of the W house will have an effect, but will the mainstream media even notice it?
...and if they do, will it matter to our sold out "representatives"?
The truth is urgent on this point: We must get out there now and make a huge fuss before the madmen in power have the time to take us into another conflict (probably Iran). After that happens, (and hopefully it will happen without another staged "terror attack" on us), we will be hard pressed to fight these nuts in any arena.
Some of these guys with big money , like Soros, or even someone like those Hollywood celebrities who are always complaining about our country, needs to take some of that cash and start organizing the angry into a viable force for change.
I've read around that there's an impeachment march being planned for 9/24/05. Well, impeachment takes too long and really does not address the real problem, which is bought-off politicians of the R or D variety. 9/24/05 will also be way too late, as I suspect we are already at war with Iran, just as we were at war with Iraq months before "shock and awe".
All of us are just hanging out wringing our hands about this. Blogging, speaking, writing letters to authority are all good, but real action is now required. Read your Constitution, read your Bill of Rights. That is your country, not whatever current governent is in power.
We could be heros. Who will lead?
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Why the denial???
by Insurgent
Tuesday, Jun. 28, 2005 at 10:17 AM
r_klj@yahoo.com
To all the denyers -- Why is DWP denying the existence of the T-valves, second, why is this information classified?
Nice try to discredit, better luck next time! (must've been the Zionists)
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America Land of the Dumb and Blind
by William Cooper Ghost
Tuesday, Jun. 28, 2005 at 10:27 AM
Collin and the other idiots are what I called government disinforments, who discredit people like Janice, who take upon themselves to question the actions of this so called government! She questions, rather than sit there like an idiot and think that her government is looking for her best interest. Americans have no government and no one to represent them. Our supposed Chief is taking us to the bottomless pit of hell and once he see that Americans do not approve of him, he will take an adverse action to keep him in power. Americans do not know or not aware the kind of power a president has in a time of war. America and the World is in the final stages of the New World Order, the only reason it has not hit us is because America is the only country left that bears arms! The UN has taken up the task to disarm America and it's all documented. AMERICA NEEDS TO WAKE UP AND FIGHT THIS TRANNY OF GOVERNMENT! OUR FORE FATHER MUST BE TWIRLING IN THEIR GRAVES!
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Wake Up & Smell The Coffee
by Jon Boy
Tuesday, Jun. 28, 2005 at 10:31 AM
pyramus@blueyonder.co.uk Midlands United KIngdon
As a big fan of http://www.davidicke.com I must confess that I thought America and it's citizens were waiting for the sword of Damacles to drop without knowing it was coming, how wrong I was! Well done to all those who beleive G Dubya is an out of control meglamaniac. He is selling the USA down the river but most UK and US citizens seem only interested in what's on the box. We live in a box, we watch a box and we'll get put in a box so why not STOP-LOOK & LEARN. It's all too easy for my mates in UK etc to say " I know there's something wrong, but what can little old me do?". I'll tell them and you folks...WAKE UP, SPEAK UP, that's what. Tony Blair is a mind controlled, manipulated fascist bastard and is as equally corrupt as Bush, he's even sent his son out to the States to learn the ways of the USA government! David Icke is known for his accurate forecasting of unfolding events and in UK more and more are waking up to the reality of life. Resist one world armies, centralised control of government, dump NATO, dump the EEC, keep the dollar, resist all efforts to alienate the Chinese (the illuminati's next Target), say no to personal micro-chipping, avoid goverment vacination proposals (for your safety...yeh right!). Don't contribute to the mind set of the puppets, don't buy newspapers, don't get depressed over negative news or events (they want you to be depressed), stop watching CNN (Claptrap no news) and then , as a priority, go and hug your wife( or partner) and children and tell them you'll love them always. Without them and love in your life you'll amount to nothing. A nation who's citizens love each other is a tough one for any government to control. In the words of Getty, if you want to be successful in any endeavour ( survival and happiness) look at what 90% of the population is doing and then do and say the complete opposite. Let your damn neighbour take the piss and call you a conspiracy freak! He might wake up when 'They' stop showing mind numbing crap on his telly (chewing gum for the masses). Until that time my fellow fighters, fight on and love each other, even though it's hard sometimes. THe Illuminati want fear and hatred, so let's give them bravery and love...no contest there. In the words of our saviour, forgive them, for they know not what they are doing! (or do they?)
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Mr.
by chris
Tuesday, Jun. 28, 2005 at 11:05 AM
cw03roma@yahoo.com (512)9195313
They already have food manipulated and in their darkside. water is of course next. But to really destroy us they will have to conquer the air next.... Then we can become week enough to sell as a food source for aliens or whatever.... food water air...at least they cant take the soul.
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Mr.
by Richard Dyer
Tuesday, Jun. 28, 2005 at 11:40 AM
rdyer@micmac-nsn.gov
This news about "T-valves" comes as no surprise. You may also be interested in reading a little about TANOX Biosystems. A company involved in creating superstrains of nasty germs & bugs...primarily mycoplasmic renditions of existing strains of influenza, small-pox etc. The Board of Directors is also interesting George HW Bush & James Baker!! Type in TANOX in combination with mycoplasma and you will recieve many hits. These mycoplasms may well be responsible for "Gulf War Syndrome." Remember these people consider us all to be "useless eaters," so to get rid of us means nothing to them...
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Coal miners used a "canary"
by BirdMan
Tuesday, Jun. 28, 2005 at 11:53 AM
The coal miners of old used a canary to detect dangerous gases in a mine.
I suggest, if you use public water, to buy the most delicate tropical fish you can find at the pet store. Put him in an aquarium and use it as your "canary".
Change the water frequently in the tank. With any introduction of harmful chemicals in the water, this fish will surely die before you do.
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action
by cheech
Tuesday, Jun. 28, 2005 at 12:26 PM
any "uprising" with sufficient numbers that are opposed to, and deemed a threat to national security (which includes any threat to the sovereignty of the government) can and will qualify as a national emergency. the first step for bush is to have it declared so. 2nd, once a national emergency has been declared martial law can and will be instituted. 3rd, in times of national emergency and martial law, elections, to include that of the presidency, can and will be postponed securing bush as president indefinately. not to say that it will happen, but that it can happen. small, scattered gatherings will give bush all the fodder he needs to institute the program of national emergency/martial law in so much as a total picture they represent a collective effort to disrupt government and alter policies forcibly. any movement on washington, and against the bush maniacs must be all involving. all for one and one for all. any half-hearted effort will initiate the end game and god help us from there on.
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Why Not Just Use the Mains? Did You MISS the Point?
by Robert-Harley :Meloy
Tuesday, Jun. 28, 2005 at 1:13 PM
Mr. Phillips, the answer to your question, 'why not just use the mains?' is repeated over and over in the article. It's the whole point of the article.
The idea being put forward by Ms. Phelan is that such toxins would be SELECTIVELY applied to SELECTED homes. Not to EVERYONE, just to CERTAIN ones; namely, those who have exhibited a tendancy to challenge or question our gracious fatherland security overlords.
THAT'S why they don't just dump poison in the main supplies, professor einstein. Okay?
As for Thatcher Collins: 1st off, the "skywriting" going on continually right over your head is NOT NORMAL. I realize that's a kooky statement for someone of your erudition; please bear with me & humor those of us who spin silly conspiracy theories. I realize I should simply trust the wonderful track-record of our fearless leaders, who are loath to abuse their god-like powers. (Prosecutors routinely charge people with 'conspiracy to do this' and 'conspiracy to do that'; they literally see conspiracies in every corner, every nook & cranny. Strange that you haven't labelled the nation's prosecutors and district attorneys as delusional paranoids and 'conspiracy kooks'...) Second, nobody cares about her use, misuse, or lack of prepositional phrases. Her meaning is more than sufficiently cogent to elicit an intelligible, cohesive idea, thrust, gist, theme. Besides, even if a ranting, inarticulate man were to insist the whole neighborhood's on fire, and seems quite sincere, I'm at least going to walk outside and check it out, given the grave consequences if his claims are true. It's called considering the message, not the messenger. Worrying unduly about some purported lack of proper sentence structure (which I didn't particularly notice, myself) seems to be more in the nature of desperately "grasping at straws", rather than a sincere effort to alert readers to the grim danger of meritless arguments. In fact, I believe you yourself are guilty of imperfect grammar/composition when you left out an important word (which instead must be inferred or supplied by the reader) in the first or second sentence of your post. (I would quote it, but then I'd have to go back to the previous page to find it, & my time has value too. Yet I take the time to write this response anyway, because of the potentially disasterous nature of Ms. Phelan's allegations.-see more below) We're all just doing the best we can, Thatcher. You're just another bozo on this bus, just like the rest of us; we're all just doin' the best we can to navigate through this crazy world we found ourselves in. So get off the high horse and join the human race, buddy. Now, when Ms. Phelan shows you proof (which you do you dispute as authentic and genuine, as far as I can tell) that the city has DENIED the use of these normally innocent valves... that SHOULD at least give you pause, to wonder: 'If these valves ARE in fact perfectly innocent, either inherently, or in any potential application, then... WHY DID THE CITY LIE ABOUT IT?' I realize asking such simple, straightforward questions makes me a flighty tinfoil-hat kook, but hey, whatcha gonna do? This lie is REPEATED in the city's written responses.... not to mention PROVEN to be a lie by the PHOTOGRAPHS of that very valve being used in every single instance available for photographing. Probably just another fantastic coincidence. Then, when the city AGAIN denies the local equivalent of an "FOIA" request, with their city att'y FALSELY stating that such requests are not for research, when in fact it appears that is exactly what they are for, that should give you FURTHER pause........ but it does not.
And lastly, when the city finally just summarily says, 'Sorry, the valves we use are SENSITIVE information that is protected under FATHERLAND SECURITY secrets".... well, any sensible person of ordinary intelligence should be able to piece together the liklihood of their truthfulness for himself. Once he finds said liklihood to be very low, based on the records entered into evidence & not disputed as genuine, he then must honestly ask himself, "WHY would they:
(a) deny the existence & use of these valves, and then
(b) claim fatherland security protection over the information which would confirm their existence and use or otherwise. Thank you, gentlemen, for your tolerance of my outlandish raving. I hope my prepositional phrasing was to your liking. If I have misspelled any words, I hope you will not seize upon such errors as an excuse to summarily dismiss any suggestion that our caring, loving warlords are in reality liars, criminals and traitors.
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Something missing
by Skeptic
Tuesday, Jun. 28, 2005 at 3:28 PM
What's missing is any indication that Ms. Phelan took the simple step of asking anyone who is both independent and knowledgable about the subject (for example, a plumber who deals with residential water service connections) to look at her photos before she started spinning her tales of remote-controlled poisoning setups and hounding the poor buggers at DWP.
Perhaps she did, and leaves it out of her narrative because informed comment didn't support her conspiracy theory. There's no way to tell. What is certain is that the claims she makes are conclusions drawn in ignorance.
What neither she nor any of the other PCTs on this thread seem to have noticed is that if these valves are intended to be used to introduce chemicals into selected individual service lines, the chemicals have to come from some source. Since the service lines and their associated cutoff valves are buried, this implies the need for a chemical main running parallel to the water mains, connected to the valves which so frighten her and, so that the flow would go in the correct direction, operating at higher pressure than that in the water main.
She does not appear to have produced any evidence of this "poison main" infrastructure's existence.
The whole thing has a pronounced odor of a technically ignorant person jumping to an uninformed conclusion and using the customary backwards "they deny my accusations so they must be true" conspiracist reasoning to reinforce them.
A bit unusual to see such an ancient hidden thread suddenly drawing a lot of comments. It is a rather boring day over at GLP, which is probably to source of all the woo-woos turning up here.
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T Valves
by M.Juan
Tuesday, Jun. 28, 2005 at 4:04 PM
How more quick and effective it would be if.... it was a very contagious and deadly virus.....working like that in clusters in cities...Exterminate...nuff said
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Already said
by Brie
Tuesday, Jun. 28, 2005 at 5:03 PM
BB12@yahoo.com
Because u can control or eliminate dissenters and not others. I am sure those out there with brain cells that the flouride and mercury missed can think of more reasons. The government here is showing signs of labelling dissent as terrorism already. Don't allow it. Being American means distrusting government. The agenda being advanced is anti American.
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wow
by Brie
Tuesday, Jun. 28, 2005 at 5:15 PM
"ascribing near-magical quantities" ...what an uneducated moron, grammatically speaking that is! I think you wanted "qualities for one thing. Second, she was trying her best to figure out what was being done and admitted to not having all the facts due to fascist secrecy. And she should be argumentative considering how she was treated, including by you I'm sure.
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What a complete piece of bunk!
by Bat Man
Tuesday, Jun. 28, 2005 at 5:29 PM
>I have secured a sample directly from a DWP water line. It is simply toxic, causing extreme cardiac discomfort. However, it tastes just like water.
Wow! What a fantastic discovery! LOL!! Did you think to save any for the lab? Or did you just decide to quaff this stuff down before you flew off topic? I am glad to see that people are concerned with known toxic chemicals like chlorine and flouride being added to their water. There are certaintly corrupt things going on with the nation's water supply. But trying to draw a connection between Bush, the Nazis, and your local water project without establishing any proof first is steering straight into kookdumville. And will work only to discredit you.
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Stop and smell the coffee
by Jonboy
Tuesday, Jun. 28, 2005 at 6:38 PM
I couldn't agree with you more! Do not be afraid! Fear is what they feed on! My family is the only thing that keep me going...and most of us are on the same page. When the defecation hits the rotating oscillator, we will not be caught off guard -- Lock and Load! The globalist are starting to get nervous -- consciousness-raising information wars are going out at lightning speeds and hard to control at this juncture. The only way they can combat the information that is advancing the globe is by disseminating groups of agent provocateurs and disinformation into the mix to keep people either confused or totally disregard the information as nothing more than a conspiracy theory. History and knowing some history is key. For instance, knowing about sodium fluoride and that it DOES NOT prevent tooth decay --It accelerates brain decay! Knowledge is POWER. As I recall Stalin and Hitler both used it on prisoners. Keeping large amounts of people sedated, either on psychotropic drugs or increments of sodium fluoride are much easier to command and control. If there were great numbers of resistors than they might fear getting caught up in the crossfire. "When the government fears the people, that is LIBERTY. When people fear the government, that is TYRANNY." ~ Thomas Jefferson "It is the old practice of despots to use a part of the people to keep the rest in order." ~Thomas Jefferson May God Help America! Oh! I would recommend that people who are concerned about their water they should check out: Big Berkey Water Filtration System! http://www.radioliberty.com/BigBerkey.html Checkout these sites for more knowledge. Time is of the essence... http://www.infowars.com http://www.prisonplanet.com http://www.whatreallyhappened.com
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Independent Researcher
by Myself
Tuesday, Jun. 28, 2005 at 7:29 PM
msmith@petersontractor.com 707-725-1888 1700 Alamar Way
Those of you who think you can avoid contaminated water by drinking rain water are suffering from "delusions of grandeur" or what ever you want to call it! WAKE UP! Look to the skies! Do you see the CHEMTRAILS!?! Try the website "Carnicom.com" Or "weatherwars.info" and if that isn't enough, just type "chemtrails": into any search engine! There is no such thing as an "Organic Vegetable" anymore due to the fallout from the sky.... Have you noticed that the milky way is not as visible lately? We are being poisoned from above....for what purpose I don't know. Social Security is SAFE!
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A "skeptic" is one who questions, not blindly trusts, canonized orthodoxy
by Robert-Harley :Meloy
Wednesday, Jun. 29, 2005 at 2:13 AM
You ain't no skeptic, Skeptic; you're a True Believer.
Perhaps you should reaquaint yourself with the definition of the word "skeptic" in a good standard dictionary. You might then do a comparative study with such antonyms as as "believer", "follower", "lemming", and et cetera.
Skeptic means one who questions everything -- ESPECIALLY hallowed authority and canonized orthodoxy -- not one who blindly trusts the same, even when to do so would require to him to deny his own grandma.
It's as if I'd said, "Ted Bundy just told a fib", and you replied, "Bull! I'd have to see conclusive, indisputable proof of such a claim. You are stretching credibility and defaming his character. Just because it's been conclusively proven that Ted Bundy committed multiple atrocities, killing and eating numerous people, is no reason to now believe he'd stoop to LYING! You better have some solid PROOF before slandering his good name like that!" Problem is, there is no good name to slander. He, like our own soviet socialist American police state, has consistently shown itself to be the worst, most murderous criminal enterprise in the history of the planet.
You might try reading the post above yours by one "Roberto Chicago" titled "Disregard Phelan, Disregard Thatcher Collins...Mr. Nascar Knows What's Best!", whose author lists a small sampling of our government's good deeds over the years. (Unlimited power always seems to bring out the best in folks, doesn't it? Especially when it's all kept as a "just-trust-us" secret.)
You wrote, quite correctly, that "...if these valves are intended to be used to introduce chemicals into selected individual service lines, the chemicals have to come from some source."
Obviously. Did you think Phelan was concerned that poisonous chemicals were going to somehow be "beamed" by "remote-control" matter-teleportation to their respective destinations? Were this elaborate scenario being proposed, then clearly pipelines and valves, no matter their configuration, would be totally superfluous to any extermination agenda. In fact, with such capability, deception and subterfuge would probably be rendered altogether obsolete.
One must have the ability to connect facts (the validity of which I've heard nobody dispute so far, only the facts' significance, the MEANING of their relationships to each other.) Facts must fit; they can't be taken as separate, unconnected items. For example:
Fact #1-City flat-out DENIES "t-valves" are EVER used, in any capacity, for ANY reason, no way, no how.
Fact #2- A photo taken in the La Brea area (which authenticity is not disputed, so far) shows a t-valve part awaiting installment in THAT VERY SAME CITY which had so vehemently DENIED that any such valves are now or ever have been in use.
A subsequent photo shows the same part actually INSTALLED.
Remember, the very existence of this type of valve, anywhere in the City's public works inventory, was CATEGORICALLY DENIED.
Don't try to ignore that, as if it was on some seperate island by itself, & needn't be considered in light of the pictures to the contrary. These two facts, the denial AND its photographic contradiction, MUST be RECONCILED.
Conclusion: The City is LYING about "t-valves" not being used in its public works projects. (How simple, how neat & efficient. Occam's razor.)
Now, this is a no-brainer, folks (unless, of course, you're disputing the validity of these two photographs, and/or the validity of Phelan's letters from the City, etc. If you do, by all means speak up, & we'll get to the bottom of it.).
I find no reason to dispute the facts presented, having found through bitter experience that municipal corporations ooze with corruption from every pore. F'rinstance, does anyone in the world think the L.A. Police Dept. isn't as crooked as a dog's hind leg? (If so, I guess that qualifies them as "skeptics" in the upside-down bizzarro dictionary.)
Having now inexorably reached the above conclusion (provided the photos & letters are undisputed as real & genuine), one is confronted @ this point with a choice, a veritable "fork in the road":
He can either take the next logical step, or... he can shrink back, retreating into his false sense of security.
Yet the "next logical step" MUST be taken, if he is to be intellectually honest. That step is to ask the question:
WHY, WHY, O WHY did the City: (a) make such vehement denials on the one hand? and yet (b) install such very elements, in such a universally widespread manner as to immediately be discovered at a RANDOMLY SELECTED site?
Let's say you worked for the city water dep't. Somebody asks you, "Do you buy pre-manufactured tubing?" ... and you reply, "Heavens, No! We would never DREAM of doing such a thing! I refuse to even entertain such allegations! I won't further dignify your absurd insinuation with a response!"
Most people would think such defensiveness innapropriate to the question. Why? Because there's Nothing WRONG with purchasing tubing, joints & parts; no one expects the city to manufacture their own water pipes.
Such defensiveness usually arises when someone is raising an allegation of WRONGDOING of some kind or another; the more wrong the alleged deed, the stronger we would expect the defensiveness and denial to become in proportion. (In general, that is. There are always some exceptions; why go into those when you have yet to explain the vast majority of non-exceptions?) This would be true whether such allegation was true, partially true, or completely false; the same sort of defensive reaction in either case would surprise no one, were the allegation sufficiently serious.
But when something IS vehemently denied, and then proven to be true, we cannot escape the logical probability of a criminal deception -- esp. when the (now established) liar is an incredibly corrupt city machine/commercial corporation like CITY OF LOS ANGELES, INC.
(In other words, you just don't see city officials going to such great lengths of deception over tiddly-winks. Doesn't happen.)
In such a case, it is perfectly normal & rational to suspect foul play.... REGARDLESS of whether we've learned exactly HOW something is to be implemented -- or even, for that matter, the overall purpose of the deception. It is enough to know that there almost certainly must be something horribly wrong being covered up by such a deception... not something warm 'n' fuzzy.
Of course, the "t-valve" idea implies (to me) the idea of seperate FEEDS. I'm not technically inept, I worked on motorcycles for years, replaced auto transmissions, studied planetary gears & differentials, got straight A's in electronics. If I don't know the flow-paths of such-and-such system, I can usually figure it out; in fact, it's usually pretty obvious.
Unfortunately, we CAN'T SEE BELOW THE ASPHALT, and can't even see around its edge from just a picture.
(It would have been helpful if Ms. Phelan had taken a flash-photograph from as far down inside of the hole as possible, at an angle looking upward in both directions, both 'upstream' & 'downstream', so to speak, with the goal of seeing at least what, if any, (& if any, how many) inlets/outlets fed into/outflowed from this sample t-valve pictured after installation.
I'm sure she'd be more than happy to do that very thing, next time, but..... well, there's a problem with that.
Y'see... the City has REFUSED TO TELL HER the Official State Secret of WHERE the public works crews are working!
That's cause they have nothing to hide, right, Skeptic?
Ask yourself: what INNOCENT thing could such behavior be hiding? Probably NO innocent thing! Yet they are hiding SOME thing. So, if NOT innocent & wholesome, what's left to hide?
Something INCRIMINATING.
Now, let's take stock of the story thus far & realize that we ALREADY HAVE ENOUGH info to raise the hue and cry at this point... We don't NEED to have established all the particular details (although I agree that exactly HOW the SEPERATE poison water is conducted isn't just a mere 'detail'; still, forked tongues lying about forked valves inspire the basic idea of a ADDITIONAL, ALTERNATIVE INLET (& its corresponding outlet, to conduct the toxic water on down the line to the next "undesirable").
And since we can't x-ray the pictured VALVE BODY, we don't even know for certain that it's even a "normal" t-valve internally; to suppose it is would be an assumption.
It may consist of totally seperate channels, each with seperate internal valves, joined together to LOOK like a 'standard' t-valve, for example.
Why do such a thing, you ask? Perhaps to allow for TWO SEPERATE, UNCONNECTED LINES to be physically joined together at each service offshoot,(waters kept seperated) yet appear to be mingled as if a single, normal t-valve (if there is in fact such a thing as a normal t-valves for such an application; i.e., public water supply). As for these service lines in front of each house, only SOME of the 'secondary' lines would be RIGGED to ALLOW passage of the 'altered" water through those particular services to those particular houses.
To sum up this idea: the altered water & the normal water could be conducted via what looks like a single conduit, (bundled in a single tubing jacket) but inside are actually two seperate, unconnected conduits.
To expand on this reasonable speculation:
EACH HOUSE would have the poisoned water flow PAST it...... but only CERTAIN ones have a working valve coming off the poisoned line. Or, alternately, only certain houses have valves magnetically activated by chip from a "remote control" command. Maybe there's even a signal-wire running alongside the 2 seperate, yet single-appearing bundle of water lines, by which two conduct such electrical signals... (although, even I will admit, that seems a bit too elaborate).
Or, it could just be something as simple as the source adding a slight extra pressure to the poisoned line, (remember, this would take place all along the entire line, for blocks or miles, not just 'magically' at certain locations), raising it to a pressure level sufficient to mechanically cause those pre-selected service valves to open, while the other ones are sealed shut, or even dummy valves. That doesn't require any computer chip, "remote control" hoodoo voodoo, or other super-sophisticated technology; its just simple 19th century mechanics, combined with stage magician-style misdirection.
Or, maybe the standard type is already inherently configured (either by design or, more likely, by coincidence) to do the job, and some hotdog figured out after the fact that - "Hey, I just realized it can be rigged to carry out alternate functions, without any alteration!" Maybe there's some kind of "trick valve" between the two sets of inlet and outlet ports in each valve body (a feature which may or may not be part of the original construction); maybe this "trick valve" or "secret slding panel", like a butterfly valve, can make the switch from "Off" to "Open" on the selected houses, if triggered by a sufficient increase in water pressure along that entire secondary, 'poisoned' line.
Who knows? The City isnt exactly forthcoming with helpful blueprints, etc., in case you hadn't noticed. Such particular details would be unknowable at this point.
But what IS known is the INESCAPABLE fact that the City is VEHEMENTLY going OUT OF THEIR WAY to LIE ABOUT THE WHOLE THING. That point REFUSES TO GO AWAY. It only APPEARS to go away when you choose to ignore it & deny its existence, or deny it has any significance.
This whole rambling excercise isn't just about valves, or waterworks...... it's about inductive and deductive reasoning; it's about ANY approach to ANY mystery.
It's about HOW to think & ponder questions, in a GENERAL application. Just ask yourself, how would Sherlock Holmes or Columbo react to Ms. Phelan's information? Then, pretend that you are they.
If you're honest, I bet you won't wind up dismissing the whole thing as fluff.
So again, it DOESN'T MATTER whether we have ascertained the whole exact MEANS by which the theorized plan would be implemented; that can be discovered later. What DOES matter at this point is the ESTABLISHED FACT of deception & cover up. Where there's smoke, there's fire.
Again: such deceptions aren't undertaken over tiddly-winks.
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A "skeptic" is one who questions, not blindly trusts, canonized orthodoxy
by Robert-Harley :Meloy
Wednesday, Jun. 29, 2005 at 2:16 AM
You ain't no skeptic, Skeptic; you're a True Believer.
Perhaps you should reaquaint yourself with the definition of the word "skeptic" in a good standard dictionary. You might then do a comparative study with such antonyms as as "believer", "follower", "lemming", and et cetera.
Skeptic means one who questions everything -- ESPECIALLY hallowed authority and canonized orthodoxy -- not one who blindly trusts the same, even when to do so would require to him to deny his own grandma.
It's as if I'd said, "Ted Bundy just told a fib", and you replied, "Bull! I'd have to see conclusive, indisputable proof of such a claim. You are stretching credibility and defaming his character. Just because it's been conclusively proven that Ted Bundy committed multiple atrocities, killing and eating numerous people, is no reason to now believe he'd stoop to LYING! You better have some solid PROOF before slandering his good name like that!" Problem is, there is no good name to slander. He, like our own soviet socialist American police state, has consistently shown itself to be the worst, most murderous criminal enterprise in the history of the planet.
You might try reading the post above yours by one "Roberto Chicago" titled "Disregard Phelan, Disregard Thatcher Collins...Mr. Nascar Knows What's Best!", whose author lists a small sampling of our government's good deeds over the years. (Unlimited power always seems to bring out the best in folks, doesn't it? Especially when it's all kept as a "just-trust-us" secret.)
You wrote, quite correctly, that "...if these valves are intended to be used to introduce chemicals into selected individual service lines, the chemicals have to come from some source."
Obviously. Did you think Phelan was concerned that poisonous chemicals were going to somehow be "beamed" by "remote-control" matter-teleportation to their respective destinations? Were this elaborate scenario being proposed, then clearly pipelines and valves, no matter their configuration, would be totally superfluous to any extermination agenda. In fact, with such capability, deception and subterfuge would probably be rendered altogether obsolete.
One must have the ability to connect facts (the validity of which I've heard nobody dispute so far, only the facts' significance, the MEANING of their relationships to each other.) Facts must fit; they can't be taken as separate, unconnected items. For example:
Fact #1-City flat-out DENIES "t-valves" are EVER used, in any capacity, for ANY reason, no way, no how.
Fact #2- A photo taken in the La Brea area (which authenticity is not disputed, so far) shows a t-valve part awaiting installment in THAT VERY SAME CITY which had so vehemently DENIED that any such valves are now or ever have been in use.
A subsequent photo shows the same part actually INSTALLED.
Remember, the very existence of this type of valve, anywhere in the City's public works inventory, was CATEGORICALLY DENIED.
Don't try to ignore that, as if it was on some seperate island by itself, & needn't be considered in light of the pictures to the contrary. These two facts, the denial AND its photographic contradiction, MUST be RECONCILED.
Conclusion: The City is LYING about "t-valves" not being used in its public works projects. (How simple, how neat & efficient. Occam's razor.)
Now, this is a no-brainer, folks (unless, of course, you're disputing the validity of these two photographs, and/or the validity of Phelan's letters from the City, etc. If you do, by all means speak up, & we'll get to the bottom of it.).
I find no reason to dispute the facts presented, having found through bitter experience that municipal corporations ooze with corruption from every pore. F'rinstance, does anyone in the world think the L.A. Police Dept. isn't as crooked as a dog's hind leg? (If so, I guess that qualifies them as "skeptics" in the upside-down bizzarro dictionary.)
Having now inexorably reached the above conclusion (provided the photos & letters are undisputed as real & genuine), one is confronted @ this point with a choice, a veritable "fork in the road":
He can either take the next logical step, or... he can shrink back, retreating into his false sense of security.
Yet the "next logical step" MUST be taken, if he is to be intellectually honest. That step is to ask the question:
WHY, WHY, O WHY did the City: (a) make such vehement denials on the one hand? and yet (b) install such very elements, in such a universally widespread manner as to immediately be discovered at a RANDOMLY SELECTED site?
Let's say you worked for the city water dep't. Somebody asks you, "Do you buy pre-manufactured tubing?" ... and you reply, "Heavens, No! We would never DREAM of doing such a thing! I refuse to even entertain such allegations! I won't further dignify your absurd insinuation with a response!"
Most people would think such defensiveness innapropriate to the question. Why? Because there's Nothing WRONG with purchasing tubing, joints & parts; no one expects the city to manufacture their own water pipes.
Such defensiveness usually arises when someone is raising an allegation of WRONGDOING of some kind or another; the more wrong the alleged deed, the stronger we would expect the defensiveness and denial to become in proportion. (In general, that is. There are always some exceptions; why go into those when you have yet to explain the vast majority of non-exceptions?) This would be true whether such allegation was true, partially true, or completely false; the same sort of defensive reaction in either case would surprise no one, were the allegation sufficiently serious.
But when something IS vehemently denied, and then proven to be true, we cannot escape the logical probability of a criminal deception -- esp. when the (now established) liar is an incredibly corrupt city machine/commercial corporation like CITY OF LOS ANGELES, INC.
(In other words, you just don't see city officials going to such great lengths of deception over tiddly-winks. Doesn't happen.)
In such a case, it is perfectly normal & rational to suspect foul play.... REGARDLESS of whether we've learned exactly HOW something is to be implemented -- or even, for that matter, the overall purpose of the deception. It is enough to know that there almost certainly must be something horribly wrong being covered up by such a deception... not something warm 'n' fuzzy.
Of course, the "t-valve" idea implies (to me) the idea of seperate FEEDS. I'm not technically inept, I worked on motorcycles for years, replaced auto transmissions, studied planetary gears & differentials, got straight A's in electronics. If I don't know the flow-paths of such-and-such system, I can usually figure it out; in fact, it's usually pretty obvious.
Unfortunately, we CAN'T SEE BELOW THE ASPHALT, and can't even see around its edge from just a picture.
(It would have been helpful if Ms. Phelan had taken a flash-photograph from as far down inside of the hole as possible, at an angle looking upward in both directions, both 'upstream' & 'downstream', so to speak, with the goal of seeing at least what, if any, (& if any, how many) inlets/outlets fed into/outflowed from this sample t-valve pictured after installation.
I'm sure she'd be more than happy to do that very thing, next time, but..... well, there's a problem with that.
Y'see... the City has REFUSED TO TELL HER the Official State Secret of WHERE the public works crews are working!
That's cause they have nothing to hide, right, Skeptic?
Ask yourself: what INNOCENT thing could such behavior be hiding? Probably NO innocent thing! Yet they are hiding SOME thing. So, if NOT innocent & wholesome, what's left to hide?
Something INCRIMINATING.
Now, let's take stock of the story thus far & realize that we ALREADY HAVE ENOUGH info to raise the hue and cry at this point... We don't NEED to have established all the particular details (although I agree that exactly HOW the SEPERATE poison water is conducted isn't just a mere 'detail'; still, forked tongues lying about forked valves inspire the basic idea of a ADDITIONAL, ALTERNATIVE INLET (& its corresponding outlet, to conduct the toxic water on down the line to the next "undesirable").
And since we can't x-ray the pictured VALVE BODY, we don't even know for certain that it's even a "normal" t-valve internally; to suppose it is would be an assumption.
It may consist of totally seperate channels, each with seperate internal valves, joined together to LOOK like a 'standard' t-valve, for example.
Why do such a thing, you ask? Perhaps to allow for TWO SEPERATE, UNCONNECTED LINES to be physically joined together at each service offshoot,(waters kept seperated) yet appear to be mingled as if a single, normal t-valve (if there is in fact such a thing as a normal t-valves for such an application; i.e., public water supply). As for these service lines in front of each house, only SOME of the 'secondary' lines would be RIGGED to ALLOW passage of the 'altered" water through those particular services to those particular houses.
To sum up this idea: the altered water & the normal water could be conducted via what looks like a single conduit, (bundled in a single tubing jacket) but inside are actually two seperate, unconnected conduits.
To expand on this reasonable speculation:
EACH HOUSE would have the poisoned water flow PAST it...... but only CERTAIN ones have a working valve coming off the poisoned line. Or, alternately, only certain houses have valves magnetically activated by chip from a "remote control" command. Maybe there's even a signal-wire running alongside the 2 seperate, yet single-appearing bundle of water lines, by which two conduct such electrical signals... (although, even I will admit, that seems a bit too elaborate).
Or, it could just be something as simple as the source adding a slight extra pressure to the poisoned line, (remember, this would take place all along the entire line, for blocks or miles, not just 'magically' at certain locations), raising it to a pressure level sufficient to mechanically cause those pre-selected service valves to open, while the other ones are sealed shut, or even dummy valves. That doesn't require any computer chip, "remote control" hoodoo voodoo, or other super-sophisticated technology; its just simple 19th century mechanics, combined with stage magician-style misdirection.
Or, maybe the standard type is already inherently configured (either by design or, more likely, by coincidence) to do the job, and some hotdog figured out after the fact that - "Hey, I just realized it can be rigged to carry out alternate functions, without any alteration!" Maybe there's some kind of "trick valve" between the two sets of inlet and outlet ports in each valve body (a feature which may or may not be part of the original construction); maybe this "trick valve" or "secret slding panel", like a butterfly valve, can make the switch from "Off" to "Open" on the selected houses, if triggered by a sufficient increase in water pressure along that entire secondary, 'poisoned' line.
Who knows? The City isnt exactly forthcoming with helpful blueprints, etc., in case you hadn't noticed. Such particular details would be unknowable at this point.
But what IS known is the INESCAPABLE fact that the City is VEHEMENTLY going OUT OF THEIR WAY to LIE ABOUT THE WHOLE THING. That point REFUSES TO GO AWAY. It only APPEARS to go away when you choose to ignore it & deny its existence, or deny it has any significance.
This whole rambling excercise isn't just about valves, or waterworks...... it's about inductive and deductive reasoning; it's about ANY approach to ANY mystery.
It's about HOW to think & ponder questions, in a GENERAL application. Just ask yourself, how would Sherlock Holmes or Columbo react to Ms. Phelan's information? Then, pretend that you are they.
If you're honest, I bet you won't wind up dismissing the whole thing as fluff.
So again, it DOESN'T MATTER whether we have ascertained the whole exact MEANS by which the theorized plan would be implemented; that can be discovered later. What DOES matter at this point is the ESTABLISHED FACT of deception & cover up. Where there's smoke, there's fire.
Again: such deceptions aren't undertaken over tiddly-winks.
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by Blister
Wednesday, Jun. 29, 2005 at 7:56 AM
Imagine you're a Bad Guy, and you want to eliminate troublemakers. Do you run an entire parallel water system, complete with valves to every house? Especially when you can't be sure that your intended target will drink the water? Wouldn't it be easier, and cheaper, to send out the men in trenchcoats and fedoras to bop your troublemaker on the head?
Come on people, this water system woo-hoo is just a distraction from the real problem, which is the conspiracy to control our thoughts with special computers secreted in talking dogs from outer space. Look out that window. Do you see the Pug frolicking on your lawn? Of course you don't; that's what proves he's there.
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by David Burnett
Wednesday, Jun. 29, 2005 at 8:54 AM
roninpom@aol.com UK Wimborne UK
Dear All, Picture One (in the mud) looks like an ordinary small stop-cock for a one-house supply. Picture Two, ( the big red valve) is what you'd expect to control a whole street's supply. We can imagine the usual system for distributing the main water supply. Where do the Tee-valves go, and how big are they? Do they control another house-by-house supply that is allowed into the main water supplies of particular houses?
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by LED
Wednesday, Jun. 29, 2005 at 1:38 PM
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