How many people have seen firemen setting up (illegal) roadblocks and soliciting "donations" since 9-11? Where do you think that money goes to?

Did you know a fire department in NY is under investigation by the FBI?

Do you know that many fire departments often have sheepdipped fomer spooks in their ranks?

Did you know right now there is a "war" going on in LA county between some fire departments and cops and sheriffs over funding?

Did you know that fire departments have more information on you than most cops do?

Do you honestly think all these clowns driving around with these firemen's decals on their cars are REALLY FIREMEN? Of course they aren't.....

Ollie North's Enterprise is alive and well.

Mind control lives baby, yeah!

Just ask Mad Maxim.

One of the very bizarre things this group does to me is stage to accidents, usually ahead of my route. This is done in order to impede my journey, and also to bring fire and police response. This has been done to me dozens of times, with the destruction of an unbelievable amount of vehicles, and with all the risk and incovenience that represents for the community at large. They also stage arrests, and block traffic this way, in the direction I am heading. They've done this to me, when picking up packages at CBS studios at 7800 Beverly Blvd., LA 90036, and have simultaneously blocked all exits, except the main gate on Beverly with road work, so that I'll have to go around. Seems like a lot of work for a questionable payoff, but; this is a covert operation, that is intended to leave no evidence. I don't entirely undersatnd the logic of it, but; there probably is some.

When leaving TRIMAR, after donating plasma, in Reseda, on Friday 8/6/04, 10:45am, there was an accident at the corner of Tampa & Reseda, the moment I left the building. I can't prove that this was staged, but; the precise timing of it suggests that it was. Timing that precise would also require the use of one or more spotters, either someone in the parking lot, another doner at Trimar, or a member of the Trimar staff itself. I believe the lic's of the vehicles involved were: 3PGB352 & 4GSC035, (if these prove to be the wrong plates, my complete list for the day of suspect vehicles is below), also the moment I turned onto Ventura Blvd, from tampa, I was immediately passed by two LAFD units, with sirens and strobe lights running, these were units: "293" plus a "LADDER TRUCK." Also, the moment I entered the highway, I was immediately met with LACO unit: 9929479 at the intersection of the freeway onramp and the US 101 SB. Again, I can't prove these were anything other that coincidences, but; if they are, they are certainly unnaturally plentiful, and after what I've been through I think I understand the difference.

3LAS704, 3SFK988, 3VCW115, 5HAX885, 4SIW758, 4ABW819, *1045763 6:30PM, 7H06840, 613 ONLY, 4XPF220, 4DIZ976, 4MI637, ECI II, 5CHG467, RXM5086, 5HCI650, TH USUAL, 4NUZ247

****Also, be on the lookout for vehicles with one bright and one dim headlight. You will see these on passenger vehicles, MTA & School busses, taxicabs, LADWP, Parking Enforcement, Trash Trucks, Parks & Recreations vehicles, SBC & Comcast vans, and a multitude of other vehicles. This is a variation of the one-headlight trick, only this appears to be street legal. When you see this, you can be SURE, that these folks are mobbed up!!!

Also, does anyone besides myself remember the following? For at least four years prior to the last year and a half, there were no beat-up vehicles on California streets and highways. There was a reason for this. California vehicle emmsions standards were so strict that a violating vehicle would often need and engine or emissions system replacement to remain on the road. This along with vehicle retirement programs, often made it economically unfeasable to keep an older car on the road.

So has anyone noticed all the BADDDDLLLYYY beat-up vehicles on California streets and highways now??? Doesn't it seem odd??? That's because IT IS!!! All older beatup vehicles are suspect. THEY DON'T BELONG HERE!!! Period!

David

The comment/photo on the out of state license plates I thought was very interesting and here is a copy of a Modesto Bee article that brings up that point in an FBI surveillance on the Peterson residence - if this is as "good" as the FBI gets no wonder we are losing the war on terror and turning into a domestic police state....I mean, if they can do this to us, why can't they find Osama bin Laden? Because they already know where he is, and will trot him out at the appropriate time to give Bush the election....

The other site you mention by the way is very interesting and I have seen those decals on cars on the freeways too....

Always did wonder how there could be so many "firemen" around.....most of them ARENT....and you are right (posts on other indymedia page) about them looking like gangbangers.....

Interesting stuff - activists need to take note....

__________

Modbee.com
Did FBI film Peterson home?

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By JOHN COTÉ
BEE STAFF WRITER

An FBI surveillance camera used to monitor Scott Peterson's Modesto home may have been attached to a utility poll directly across the street in January, neighbors said Friday.

Peterson's defense is seeking copies of the surveillance logs and videos, saying they could contain evidence that exonerates the 31-year-old fertilizer salesman of double-murder charges.

Three small, boxlike devices -- including one "pointed" at Peterson's home -- appeared on the pole in January after work was performed by a man who identified himself as a Pacific Gas & Electric Co. subcontractor, one neighbor said.

PG&E provides natural gas in Modesto, not electricity.

"I told him PG&E is underground," the neighbor said. The man dismissed the comment and continued working.

Some of the equipment that the neighbors saw attached to the pole may have been installed so media companies could have phone service while camped in front of Scott and Laci Peterson's Covena Avenue home, according to a spokeswoman for telecommunications company SBC.

But the question of surveillance tapes, if they exist, could play a role in the case, legal observers said.

Those tapes are "enormously significant," defense attorney Mark Geragos said Thursday during Peterson's preliminary hearing in Stanislaus County Superior Court. Geragos indicated that the tapes could shed light on a burglary across the street from the Peterson home that police said took place Dec. 26.

Geragos suggested that the burglary could have happened Dec. 24, the day that Laci Peterson was reported missing.

"That would tend to undercut some of the clearance, if you will, of the burglars" in connection with Peterson's death, Geragos said.

If a camera were placed on the utility pole in January, it would not have captured any details of that burglary. It could contain information about a burglary at the Peterson home on Jan. 18, a day after The Bee reported that police had informed Laci Peterson's family that Scott Peterson had been having an affair with a Fresno woman.

Wedding dress burglary

Sources close to the case said Kimberly Ann McGregor, a neighbor who had been active in searches for Laci Peterson, went into the couple's home early on Jan. 18 and left with several objects, including Peterson's wedding dress.

No charges have been filed in that incident, and police origin-ally said it was not connected to Laci Peterson's disappearance. Police have since refused to release information on the break-in, saying it may be part of the case against Peterson. Mc- Gregor declined to comment previously.

Defense attorneys could cite the break-in as yet one more piece of the puzzle in Peterson's disappearance, countering the charges against her husband. He is accused of killing his 27-year-old wife and their unborn son, Conner. Prosecutors are seeking the death penalty.

The surveillance camera came to light when Geragos suggested in court that he would seek to have the charges against his client dismissed if the information is not turned over to the defense.

An internal FBI memo contained in about 27,000 pages of documents already provided to the defense referred to a closed-circuit television camera placed "across the street," Geragos said. The memo did not say when the camera was installed or how long it was in operation.

Senior Deputy District Attorney Rick Distaso said prosecutors did not have such surveillance videos, but would provide them to the defense if they are received from the FBI.

Fellow prosecutor Dave Harris said the defense has yet to show how such videos might exonerate Peterson.

It is "not that uncommon" for FBI agents to use surveillance cameras, said Rory Little, a professor at Hastings College of the Law in San Francisco and a former federal prosecutor.

"It's actually an inexpensive way to do the surveillance you could do with two FBI agents sitting across the street in a car eating doughnuts," he said. "They can put it on a telephone pole, and it looks like part of the cable system."

Often the camera feeds are not monitored live, but the images are recorded and collected daily for review, he said.

FBI officials did not return calls Friday seeking comment.

The neighbors, who asked not be identified, said they thought something was odd about the man working on the utility pole from a cherry picker rig rising from the rear of his white truck, similar to a pickup.

The vehicle had license plates from Alabama, Georgia or another Southern state, the neighbors said. When they asked the man what he was doing, he said he was a subcontractor for PG&E.

Any subcontractors that the utility hires are for natural gas work, and they are local companies, PG&E spokesman Mark Hendrickson said.

"There is not a plausible reason we would have a gas serviceman having anything to do with transmission lines, or a subcontractor for that matter," Hendrickson said.

One neighbor said that after the man finished his work, neighbors noticed a small box apparently attached to a cross bar on the pole, a second device roughly 10 feet off the ground and another attached at the base. It was unclear whether the man installed those devices on the pole.

Box could be for media use

The middle box was the only one of the items that remained Friday. It was labeled "SBC-Pacific Bell Telephone Network Interface."

A spur of severed tan wire protruded. That wire had been connected to the box formerly at the base of the pole, a neighbor said.

An SBC technician Friday removed the network interface, which typically is used for additional phone connections, company spokeswoman Heather Alexander said.

She suggested that the device, which was not connected, may have been installed for media companies.

SBC service records for January were not immediately available, but Alexander said any SBC technician would be in uniform and in a logo vehicle.

"We rarely use contractors," she said. "For the most part, the contractors we use are in-state."

Bee staff writer John Coté can be reached at 578-2394 or jcote@modbee.com.



Posted on 11/08/03 05:55:09
http://www.modbee.com/local/story/7708454p-8611570c.html

George Hodell could "see it" too:

"The biggest obstacles were the total lack of cooperation and candor for the US government. All but one of Freedom of Information Act requests were denied, often for the most absurd reasons, ie, the Drug Enforcement Agency and the FBI didn’t want to invade the privacy of these international drug lords. Not a single government official with personal knowledge these activities would agree to answer to questions. We had public records disappear from court files. We had a witness disappear from a Nicaraguan prison. I was told that I would endanger the lives of DEA agents if we disclosed certain matters....

"I never felt threatened personally, but as my Nicaraguan colleague, George Hodell, noted at one point, “Things are moving all around us.” "

Gary Webb, quoted in interview about DARK ALLIANCE

(THE CIA, THE CONTRAS, AND CRACK COCAINE EPIDEMIC)

Catch of the day:

5FTA496 - Scarface mind controled doper droid, trying to stake us out (extremely poor tradecraft)
7A78784 – Firemens’ helmets
2YAG387 – Yet another wannabe fireman
3XXF080 – the ol’ broken taillight trick
4VFW453 – Big Bear decal
J CAPT – CSFA Firemen’s decals on a white Pickup with AUGUST 03 tags – naughty, naughty, Captain, you call that "INTEGRITY'? We don't...
6B63820 – another 1 taillight job

They might be resorting to using John Kerry bumper stickers, which would be the ultimate joke....

Speaking of Jokes, David and Goliath, we passed your pals at Renzenberger on the 405 again tonight, antennas flapping in the breeze! Wow! Such finesse.

Plates: 483PKU Nevada - mob puppet
5HEM012 Raiders Decal
LOUSJEP, red Jeep Cherokee with the usual assortment of Harvest Festival decals, praying Calvins, and a sleazy looking Mexican chick barking into her cell phone ala two way radio, caught hovering around a marked police unit we were backing up, in a 405 freeway cell with other assorted types, with Renzenberger at the lead.

HUNNERS
4YQH933 - white mini van with a rough looking Asian chick trying to box in the police unit we were backing up (i.e., taking note of the perps tailing the cop and photographing and/or cutting off as deemed necessary....).
5FSD570
3KNH0484PUF459 - HB decal and Hawaiian flower decal
3XOA520
2PBU882

This week it's been an interesting assortment of very damaged cars with bent up fenders, caved in rears, etc., "in the mix"....in addition to the one light on, one light off routine....

Heavy on Asian and Mexican perps.

More of today's haul. The bent up fender trick along with air fresheners and decals, on the 405, behind the Renzenberger van with the BEEEEEEG nasty antennea!

One more, "for the road".

Like we have said before, bad enough these perps pick on civilians, but one thing our Ace Duck-tek-a-tive, Duck Twacy will NEVER tolerate is these perps stalking law enforcement. NOPE!

SO HE PINS IT ON YA, SEE? PINS IT ON YA!

No jokes here. Your "reports" read like you're a paranoid schizophrenic. Please seek help.

whenever i see a jesus fish or a "jesus is god read the bible" bumper sticker, i know the driver is a christian cultist (and deluded).

Get a load of this. Hopefully our friends at CBP will pick this up and have some fun with it.

We sent the pic to a few anti-illegal immigration sources (newspapers and radio shows) and hope they will be circulating it all over the web as we will be.

As quick as they come up with the latest "new" decal, we find 'em....and Duck Twacy PINS IT ON 'EM....

The decal on this window showed up earlier in the evening twice on the 405. Until today, we'd never seen them. Now, they're suddenly everywhere.

AMAZING, AIN'T IT?!?!!

Running ops DOES take some brains ya know, something the drugged up, mobbed up, mind controlled, wannabe spook perps running these gigs, obviously lack. I mean, FINESSE MAY BE AN "F" WORD but it ain't a bad thing to cultivate.

Eh, Bat Fans?

Well, when you have the likes of NeoCons like John K. Singlaub and Ollie North and Porter Goss behind these things, you learn to stop expecting professionals, and just settle for mobbed up trash.

It don't get any lower than those dregs, do it....

Yeah, yeah, I know. You're incredulous. Well suck it up PILGRIMS....

Sit back and ENJOY THE RIDE.

We do, EACH AND EVERY DAY!

Gotta love this shit, and gotta flow with it, or it'll eatcha alive. Keeping mind and soul centered and happy: that is the trick, and it drives the Scientologists nuts.


And some Longshoremen, too. Or so we've heard.

;~)

Give a close look at this clown's plate. Almost looks like it was altered or something, or pounded out, or sanded out. Trying to hide something, is he?

I had to get right up on him to even see the 22.

Some kinda jerk this dude. Must be an anti-government militia nutcase or something, the way he tried to shove us up against a retaining wall.

Where do these "people" come from, anyhow.

Area 51?

Oh, let's NOT even go there.....!

;~ )

As Duck Twacy...drives off into the sunset, its the end of another wonderful, long and hard day, hunting down evil perps, fiendish cop and law enforcement stalkers, mobbed up goomba schmucks, Wackenhut goons, Yakuza backed thugs, mexican cholo trash illegals, pimping Scientology whores, wacked out drug dealers and your usual assortment of coked-up, slumlording, white collar trash.

Sigh.....

Tough job....

But someone's gotta do it.

You guys, ignore this "please seek help" clown who's probably some CIA smut nosepicker on someone's payroll trying to spook you out of what your doing, don't stop because there is a lot of stuff here that you have that I've seen and my friends are all checking this page out now, and they say the same thing, they're beginning to watch for these decals and patterns, and whos' driving and stuff, and they are saying WHOA, we see it too!

It's NOT crock. There is something going on down here alright and it sure looks like you guys (David vs Goliath and Duck Twacy) have nailed it on the head.

Bet these guys ARE pissed...

I'm going to start taking some pics too and load them up here.

Maybe we can drive them out of here!?

Dear Please Seek Help:

Already done that, and again, I sincerely and respectfully sugest that you seek the help of a qualified optometrist. There is photographic evidence here. The kind that can be used as-is or enhanced. If you really can see, which I believe is probably the case, look at the photos on this site and the previous one, but; I suspect this is probably your team anyway huh...

And my question about munchies was related to whether or not you were waiting up, just to see my post for the day, but; if you do smoke dope as well, please seek help. I hear there are several reputable detox centers in town.

David

Dear Ann:

Thank you for your kind and generous support. This kind of thing has been going on for some time in America, and needs to be dealt with as soon as possible. We can never really live in a civil society until it is. The PD and other government agencies neeed to be part of the solution, not part of the problem. The problem is there is too much money involved in being on the take. Those of us who attempt to earn our livings honestly know how hard it is to make ends meet without taking shortcuts. In a way, I don't blame the bastards for trying to use their badges to earn six figure incomes, but; this is something society cannot tolerate.

FYI, there was a commission formed in 1930's in the aftermath of prohibition, to study and deal with poilce corruption. It was found aposteriori, that police corruption in the 1930's was extremely rampant, and there is a standing commitee in congress today that was formed on the basis of these findings. I forget the names of the original commission and the contemporary congressional commitee, but; I will look these up and post them eventually.

David

This is not entirely spying. This is primarily a harrassment operation. There is nothing criminal to prosecute. Do you know anything about these, or why LE, FD and other civic agencies would be involved in such operations?

David

You guys, ignore this "please seek help" clown who's probably some CIA smut nosepicker on someone's payroll trying to spook you out of what your doing,

>>> Wishful thinking, but don't bet on it. I don't give a hoot what these fellows are doing, wasting digital camera batteries and proving nothing.

don't stop because there is a lot of stuff here that you have that I've seen and my friends are all checking this page out now, and they say the same thing, they're beginning to watch for these decals and patterns, and whos' driving and stuff, and they are saying WHOA, we see it too!

>>>> Well, if you'tre the only ones who can see it, just like only drunks can see bugs crawling on them or "psychics" can see the future, that does no one any good.

It's NOT crock. There is something going on down here alright and it sure looks like you guys (David vs Goliath and Duck Twacy) have nailed it on the head.

>>>>> Too bad only THEY can see it. If you're so sure you know Something, take it to the media, who're dying for any scraps they can find to beat Bush this year (but they won't).

And learn how to resize the pics...they slow up the page.

Resizing the pics is a good idea, thank you. We're doin the best we can here with imperfect tech. Go to the media??? That's what I thought I was doing... Well live and learn...

Got a new digital camera. Not much of one, but; since I get so much attention from the Perps, it shouldn't be hard to get some interesting shots. "Show us your smoke," why don't ya?! I'll bet these pricks can't wait to get immortalized on this site. Glad to be of service!

Oh, and here's some BROKEN WINDOWS POLICING, I'd like to see: I think Bratton and Baca, and Mr Lockyer included, ought to bust ALL the freaks running around without proper plates and or tabs (Even if they issued them, haha). Impound the damn vehicles, and keep impounding them... That will get the Perps off the road where they're doing the most harm. Let them resort to stalking people on foot only. At least this is not likely to produce deadly outcomes, as almost happened to me on a number of occaissions; the most recent of which was less than a month ago...

Here's some other ideas I'd like to see implemented, but; might seem a little extreme to some people. But, I can tell you this much, these ideas are not only legal, but peaceful as well. Activism, like LE under ideal circumstances does not have to be brutal, just smarter... Ever hear the old aphorism, work smarter not harder? It applies here as well... Well here goes:

Situation: We currently live in a society where the PD can wiretap anyone's phones or email for what is in essence an indefinite period, and can also walk into our homes to perform a covert search, with notice being given only much later.

Q: How many of you think that any notice will ever be given under such rules?

A: If you guessed NEVER, your on the right track.

Such rules, also pave the way for investigations to be used for harrassment purposes, as in my case, with no legitimate investigative purpose ever intended. That's why we have double jeopardy laws folks... The founding fathers weren't such a bunch of old fuddy-duddies after all. They were experienced in civic life, and their lessons should not be forgeten or dismissed so quickly as being obsolete. Have any of you read the Declaration of Independence? It was a prohetic document and still is... Pay special attention to the "Intolerable Acts..."

Would any of you really like to break the back of the Patriot Act, and restore this country to a rule of law, where warrants must be issued and good cause shown? Heres, how to do it:

Don't pay your telecommunications bills... It's that simple. It would have to be orgaized of course, but; nothing could be more effective. Let's say that a large group of organized Americans simply refused to pay their phone bills, or simply disconnected service altogether, in protest. The telecommunications companies would be in crisis. The Patriot Act would simply not be enforceable, not at all... How long do you think it would take for the administration to CORRECT, the damnable thing. If you're thinking OVERNIGHT, your also on the right track,... and not a damn shot fired.

Napoleon Bonaparte, was once quoted as saying that "Four hostile newspapers are to be more feared than a thousand bayonets." Now that man was onto something, do ya think???

Now let me clear something up. The Patriot Act as written, does not allow the kind of pernicious domestic spying, and certainly not the vigilantism, that's taking place currently, but; LE organizations, which for the most part always overstep their restrictions, have taken it as a green light to engage in ALL KINDS of excesses, the kind that would make King George proud. In order to ensure theat LE is kept honest, they must be given something short of the tools they need to do the job, because they will always make up the difference, in less than constitutional ways. I forget which founding father said this, but; I believe it is still an important idea: "Government is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." Nothing could be more true, especially under the current political climate.

Some good pics on the way, and some video should be available, in about four weeks. I'll try to get some faces too, although since not all of the Perps are sworn LE, and many are not, licences plates should be satisfactory in most cases. Even if untraceable plates are discovered, well that tells us something as well doesn't it. And untraceable plates are only untraceable externally. I'm willing to bet that the PD is required to keep interal records in case of internal corruption, so; writing the plates down is NOT an exercise in futility! It's useful info.

David

Here's a tail I caught in my rear view, headlights and all.

Perp Taxi, show us your smoke, huh....

Burbank Fire Department Paramedics rushing to greet me, on way to breakfast appx 11am.

I found the other website (indymedia page link http://newswire.org/en/newswire/2004/05/803105.shtml) first and said WOW....

A lot of this is Mexican gang related in the LA area.

I've seen this stuff for years and you guys are the first ones to actually document it and post it.

Keep up the good work.

Oh, and please seek help: you need to follow your own fucked up advice

This was the second of at least four LE units, with Perp convoy in tow, to cross my path at right-angles today. When I tried get close enough to photograph the license plate of the Sheriff's unit, I was cut off by two vehicles in the left lane, the after I pulled around the obsructing vehicles, a white van pulled up close to the Sheriff's unit's rear bumper tp prevent me form getting the picture. However; I persisted and got the shot anyway.

Ohhh... Sing a song of six pence. A pocket full of rye. Three Sheriff's Department S____-___S baked in a pie. When IAD was telephoned the cops began to sing...

More to follow, David

See original post "Victim of State Sponsored Domestic Terrorism" at:

http://newswire.indymedia.org/en/newswire/2004/05/803105.shtml

Starting from the LA Sheriffs photo, I'm going to show appx 8 photos together that will make more sense as a series. I believe three will be repeats.

Perp Peon Showing Gang Sign. BTW, this gang sign is referred to as "Show Us Your Smoke," as usually a lit cigarette is help, lit end down, when displaying this sign.

Drove ahaead of me to and from delivery at Paramount mailroom

Tail With Headlights.

In The Box

Burbank Fire Department paramedics rushing to greet, me with strobe lights flashing and sirens howling, at Olive and Verdugo, while on the way to breakfast Sunday 8/15/04 11:00am.

LAFD Firestation 35. They always send a paramedic vehicle out at the exact monent I pass. I used to drive NB on Virgil for years and wonder why there was always a firetruck passing me in the opposite direction. I guess I figured it out...

D & G: You're having way too much fun doing this, reminds us of someone we know (ha).

However I have to say that I don't think of "the bad guys" when I have LE around my car, I usually think the opposite. My experiences have been different than yours too, I guess. I don't see them as trouble when they show up (there have been exceptions of course) but as "back up" to observe the other crap hanging around at that moment - usually mind controlled perp-types, druggie goons, bangers, thugs, etc., driving the requisite decal-ed cars. I note in my situation, when they see the cops/marked units/uc feds, the perps split, which again, is why I do not, and will not, see every cop or sheriff or fed in a "bad" light. I think some of the ones you see, are the same deal: back up, not the threat, but that's my 2 cents worth, for what it's worth.

I'll upload some new plates later. Apparently there was some kind of "firemen's muster" in Central Cal this weekend, which may have something to do with the abnormally large number of firemen's helmet decals sighted Friday PM on the freeways headed out of LA. Those guys you could tell were "legit" - unlike the ones you see, usually drivers who are young chicks or Mexican bangers, with the CSFA decals.

Where are those self-ordained purveyors of truth? Why aren't they here calling this guy a rightwing loony?

See:

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2004/08/115742.php


Well?

Anyone?

Anyone??

Bueller???

I think that is to our credit.

They have begun using football team helmet decals, "tinkerbell" decals, and Dodgers baseball decals.

After tonight, we're going to begin another new link so the page will be new, and upload faster.

D & G: howabout focusing your camera talents on more DECAL sitings....some of the pics you uploaded don't show any of the tradecraft. I'm curious to know why you picked them?

Another one. Also, check out 11th and Cabrillo in San Pedro. Looks like a drop area for vehicles maybe???

Oh, speaking of plates. We promised you some.

DREW 11, 3KDX904, 5DQL016 (KROQ & HAWAIIAN FLOWER), U2420 (HANDICAPPED), 4XEX095 (76 UNION ANTENNEA BALL, BIG YELLOW RIBBON DECAL - BEING USED MORE OFTEN, FYI - AND THE SEA TURTLES, ON A RED SUV, IN O.C., ON AUGUST 13TH, CAUCASIAN MALE AT WHEEL, LOOKING EMBARRASSED OR CONFUSED, OR MAYBE JUST BOTH?). 2USG043, 4WOR687, 3YTD233, 4UZZ039 (KROQ), YTV611 FIREMAN, 4HEG923, 466 MTK UTAH, 4AHC791, 5FPA417, BRW8096 NEW YORK, 4ATS472 (CALVIN PRAYING), 3RYS930, 2RGW061, 4WOL624 (DUB DECALS), 3MFV154 (FIREMAN'S HELMET), 4POU811, 4DUA204 (SEA TURTLES), 2WBN549, 4KMS841, 5BKE933, 2RGW061, 3LXT051 (FIREMANS' HELMET AND BIG BEAR PAW DECAL - PRETTY DAMN STUPID, IF YOU ASK US....), 2XML038, 3TAT533, 3CFY469, 5AYG551, B&B GARAGE DOORS - FIREMANS HELMET AND FOX RACING DECALS (SHADES OF THE PLUMBING COMPANY!), 4MMW518, LOVINHB, 4WOL624 (DUB DECAL), 4TMA897, 5BIC326, 4XOM732, 4JZR240.

Another San Pedro sighting.

A breeding ground for these perps, ya know....

;~)

Amazing huh? Kinda like they all got the same memo, the same page, the same phone call, at the same time? Or? Just cuter than shit, ya know? CUTER THAN SHIT.....!

And dumb as nails we might add.

I picked the first three because of the gang sign. (Arm out window-"show us your smoke sign"). I believe that qualifies as tradecraft, at least it does in my mind. (The image is small, so you'll have to look closely, but; it is there). The photo in my rearview because it was a good example of a tail with daylight headlights. The van lic: TOM VDO, tailed me, or rather drove in front of me in two directions, to and from Paramount Studios mailroom. "In-The-Box" should be self explanatory. The Burbank Paramedic van intercepted my route at Olive and Verdugo, sirens howling, and the shot of Firestation 35 is to aquaint the readers with the image and location.

To me this is a lot more important than decals...

Dave

This page is filled up and takes too long to load.

We're moving over to here:

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2004/08/115838.php

Well, today a source tells us that the longies are oddly mum about who's doing the drawing of the names for this job super-lotto. In the past, you always got tipped off who it was. Palms were greased. It was "the way things were done". But remember, the source says (a former inside man in the union) back then, the guys made nothing compared to what they pull down now for working a lousy three days a week. The newbies nowadays, the source says, are a "different breed", spoiled, and lazy, and the corruption is "of a different, deeper kind". The rules of the game have changed.

Rumors are swirling around that they are nervous because the Feds may/are around in town, watching this "draw" like flies all over shit.

Ya don't suppose....? ;~)


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http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-portjobs18aug18,1,672686.story?coll=la-home-headlines
With Deluge, Longshore Jobs Become Long Shots
By Ronald D. White
Times Staff Writer

August 18, 2004

Hundreds of thousands of applications have poured in for 3,000 temporary jobs at the ports of Long Beach and Los Angeles — about 10 times as many submissions as expected — underscoring just how hungry people are for high-paying work in a weak labor market.

The International Longshore and Warehouse Union was so concerned about the crush of applicants that it asked a mediator Tuesday whether the hiring process could be delayed to ensure that everything runs smoothly. The mediator, however, ordered the union and West Coast shipping lines to proceed with their lottery and begin picking the 3,000 new dockworkers Thursday, as planned.

As word spread Tuesday about the flood of applications, some would-be dock hands were discouraged.

"This is almost like going to the horse track and betting on the long shot," said Raymond Sheets, a 47-year-old tree trimmer from San Diego who hopes to improve his lot by landing a job at the harbor.

The 3,000 slots, which are being offered to help handle a record amount of cargo coming through the ports, will pay $20.66 to $28 an hour — substantially higher than the average $8.38-an-hour entry-level wage in Los Angeles County. On Friday, the state reported that California's employers cut a net 17,300 jobs in July, illustrating how cautious many businesses remain when it comes to hiring.

"It's very rare in this economy, particularly for non-college-educated positions," to be so lucrative, said Michael Mische, a principal at WCL Consulting Co. of Long Beach and an adjunct professor of management at the USC Marshall School of Business. "These are highly desirable jobs, with the opportunity of becoming skilled in a vocation" that could lead to better things down the road.

Indeed, it's not clear how long any of the 3,000 jobs might last. But in at least some cases, if workers accumulate enough hours, they may be able to join the union full-time.

To apply, people were supposed to fill out a postcard bearing name, address and telephone number, and get it in the mail by last Friday. The only requirements: Be at least 18 years old, have a driver's license and be legally eligible to work in the U.S.

A Long Beach post office spokesman said Tuesday that a conservative estimate put the number of mailed-in applications at between 220,000 and 250,000. A shipping lines' representative suggested that the tally could climb substantially higher before Thursday's lottery.

The number of cards may have been inflated by applicants sending in more than one each, though officials have said people who do so would be rejected.

Even the current count far outstrips the most imaginative estimates of both dockworkers and shipping company executives, who were expecting no more than 25,000 to 30,000 to sign up for the jobs.

The hiring spree has not been without controversy.

One longshoreman filed a complaint this month with the National Labor Relations Board, charging that the shipping lines and the ILWU conspired to manipulate the jobs lottery.

The complaint by Neal Schreiner, which alleges that the selection process has been unfairly rigged to favor friends and relatives of union and shipping officials, was first reported by the Daily Breeze in Torrance. The newspaper also first reported the deluge of job applications.

At the heart of Schreiner's complaint is an agreement under which the union and the shipping lines handed out 8,000 special "longshore opportunity interest cards" to friends, relatives and acquaintances of ILWU and company officials.

If, say, 5,000 of these special postcards are filled out and returned, those running the lottery will randomly pick an additional 5,000 postcards from the hundreds of thousands submitted by the public. From there, the final 3,000 will be drawn.

In other words, half the cards in the final drawing will be from people with some kind of connection to the ports. As a result, those applicants "have a chance of maybe one out of two or three" to win a job, Schreiner said.

"The public at large has one chance in about 1,200," he added. "This is a fraud and a scam."

The Pacific Maritime Assn., which represents West Coast shipping lines, had no comment on Schreiner's complaint. An NLRB spokesman also declined to comment.

Experts disagreed about whether the process was improperly biased.

Mark Theodore, an attorney who frequently represents management in labor disputes, said that the ILWU and maritime association, when soliciting applications in newspaper ads, may have erred by not fully disclosing how the lottery would work. When the rules aren't spelled out, "you subject yourself to liability," he said.

But Jerry Hunter, who served as a general counsel of the NLRB in the early 1990s, said that it would be difficult to prove that the process favored those running the lottery, when all of the postcards have been given out to people not formally associated with the union or the companies.

Applicant Sheets was miffed when told about Schreiner's allegations. "It makes me feel very discouraged," he said. "It was supposed to be an even, fair drawing. Why did I even bother?"

In all, the ILWU and shipping lines expect to select 12,000 to 14,000 people out of the lottery. That way, they'll have extra bodies available in case some of the initial 3,000 winners don't pass their physicals or drug tests — or aren't up to the grueling task of lashing 40-foot-long shipping containers so they don't shift around at sea.

Well, today a source tells us that the longies are oddly mum about who's doing the drawing of the names for this job super-lotto. In the past, you always got tipped off who it was. Palms were greased. It was "the way things were done". But remember, the source says (a former inside man in the union) back then, the guys made nothing compared to what they pull down now for working a lousy three days a week. The newbies nowadays, the source says, are a "different breed", spoiled, and lazy, and the corruption is "of a different, deeper kind". The rules of the game have changed.

Rumors are swirling around that they are nervous because the Feds may/are around in town, watching this "draw" like flies all over shit.

Ya don't suppose....? ;~)


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http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-portjobs18aug18,1,672686.story?coll=la-home-headlines
With Deluge, Longshore Jobs Become Long Shots
By Ronald D. White
Times Staff Writer

August 18, 2004

Hundreds of thousands of applications have poured in for 3,000 temporary jobs at the ports of Long Beach and Los Angeles — about 10 times as many submissions as expected — underscoring just how hungry people are for high-paying work in a weak labor market.

The International Longshore and Warehouse Union was so concerned about the crush of applicants that it asked a mediator Tuesday whether the hiring process could be delayed to ensure that everything runs smoothly. The mediator, however, ordered the union and West Coast shipping lines to proceed with their lottery and begin picking the 3,000 new dockworkers Thursday, as planned.

As word spread Tuesday about the flood of applications, some would-be dock hands were discouraged.

"This is almost like going to the horse track and betting on the long shot," said Raymond Sheets, a 47-year-old tree trimmer from San Diego who hopes to improve his lot by landing a job at the harbor.

The 3,000 slots, which are being offered to help handle a record amount of cargo coming through the ports, will pay $20.66 to $28 an hour — substantially higher than the average $8.38-an-hour entry-level wage in Los Angeles County. On Friday, the state reported that California's employers cut a net 17,300 jobs in July, illustrating how cautious many businesses remain when it comes to hiring.

"It's very rare in this economy, particularly for non-college-educated positions," to be so lucrative, said Michael Mische, a principal at WCL Consulting Co. of Long Beach and an adjunct professor of management at the USC Marshall School of Business. "These are highly desirable jobs, with the opportunity of becoming skilled in a vocation" that could lead to better things down the road.

Indeed, it's not clear how long any of the 3,000 jobs might last. But in at least some cases, if workers accumulate enough hours, they may be able to join the union full-time.

To apply, people were supposed to fill out a postcard bearing name, address and telephone number, and get it in the mail by last Friday. The only requirements: Be at least 18 years old, have a driver's license and be legally eligible to work in the U.S.

A Long Beach post office spokesman said Tuesday that a conservative estimate put the number of mailed-in applications at between 220,000 and 250,000. A shipping lines' representative suggested that the tally could climb substantially higher before Thursday's lottery.

The number of cards may have been inflated by applicants sending in more than one each, though officials have said people who do so would be rejected.

Even the current count far outstrips the most imaginative estimates of both dockworkers and shipping company executives, who were expecting no more than 25,000 to 30,000 to sign up for the jobs.

The hiring spree has not been without controversy.

One longshoreman filed a complaint this month with the National Labor Relations Board, charging that the shipping lines and the ILWU conspired to manipulate the jobs lottery.

The complaint by Neal Schreiner, which alleges that the selection process has been unfairly rigged to favor friends and relatives of union and shipping officials, was first reported by the Daily Breeze in Torrance. The newspaper also first reported the deluge of job applications.

At the heart of Schreiner's complaint is an agreement under which the union and the shipping lines handed out 8,000 special "longshore opportunity interest cards" to friends, relatives and acquaintances of ILWU and company officials.

If, say, 5,000 of these special postcards are filled out and returned, those running the lottery will randomly pick an additional 5,000 postcards from the hundreds of thousands submitted by the public. From there, the final 3,000 will be drawn.

In other words, half the cards in the final drawing will be from people with some kind of connection to the ports. As a result, those applicants "have a chance of maybe one out of two or three" to win a job, Schreiner said.

"The public at large has one chance in about 1,200," he added. "This is a fraud and a scam."

The Pacific Maritime Assn., which represents West Coast shipping lines, had no comment on Schreiner's complaint. An NLRB spokesman also declined to comment.

Experts disagreed about whether the process was improperly biased.

Mark Theodore, an attorney who frequently represents management in labor disputes, said that the ILWU and maritime association, when soliciting applications in newspaper ads, may have erred by not fully disclosing how the lottery would work. When the rules aren't spelled out, "you subject yourself to liability," he said.

But Jerry Hunter, who served as a general counsel of the NLRB in the early 1990s, said that it would be difficult to prove that the process favored those running the lottery, when all of the postcards have been given out to people not formally associated with the union or the companies.

Applicant Sheets was miffed when told about Schreiner's allegations. "It makes me feel very discouraged," he said. "It was supposed to be an even, fair drawing. Why did I even bother?"

In all, the ILWU and shipping lines expect to select 12,000 to 14,000 people out of the lottery. That way, they'll have extra bodies available in case some of the initial 3,000 winners don't pass their physicals or drug tests — or aren't up to the grueling task of lashing 40-foot-long shipping containers so they don't shift around at sea.

Longshoremen



Well, today a source tells us that the longies are oddly mum about who's doing the drawing of the names for this job super-lotto. In the past, you always got tipped off who it was. Palms were greased. It was "the way things were done". But remember, the source says (a former inside man in the union) back then, the guys made nothing compared to what they pull down now for working a lousy three days a week. The newbies nowadays, the source says, are a "different breed", spoiled, and lazy, and the corruption is "of a different, deeper kind". The rules of the game have changed.

Rumors are swirling around that they are nervous because the Feds may/are around in town, watching this "draw" like flies all over shit.

Ya don't suppose....? ;~)


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http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-portjobs18aug18,1,672686.story?coll=la-home-headlines
With Deluge, Longshore Jobs Become Long Shots
By Ronald D. White
Times Staff Writer

August 18, 2004

Hundreds of thousands of applications have poured in for 3,000 temporary jobs at the ports of Long Beach and Los Angeles — about 10 times as many submissions as expected — underscoring just how hungry people are for high-paying work in a weak labor market.

The International Longshore and Warehouse Union was so concerned about the crush of applicants that it asked a mediator Tuesday whether the hiring process could be delayed to ensure that everything runs smoothly. The mediator, however, ordered the union and West Coast shipping lines to proceed with their lottery and begin picking the 3,000 new dockworkers Thursday, as planned.

As word spread Tuesday about the flood of applications, some would-be dock hands were discouraged.

"This is almost like going to the horse track and betting on the long shot," said Raymond Sheets, a 47-year-old tree trimmer from San Diego who hopes to improve his lot by landing a job at the harbor.

The 3,000 slots, which are being offered to help handle a record amount of cargo coming through the ports, will pay $20.66 to $28 an hour — substantially higher than the average $8.38-an-hour entry-level wage in Los Angeles County. On Friday, the state reported that California's employers cut a net 17,300 jobs in July, illustrating how cautious many businesses remain when it comes to hiring.

"It's very rare in this economy, particularly for non-college-educated positions," to be so lucrative, said Michael Mische, a principal at WCL Consulting Co. of Long Beach and an adjunct professor of management at the USC Marshall School of Business. "These are highly desirable jobs, with the opportunity of becoming skilled in a vocation" that could lead to better things down the road.

Indeed, it's not clear how long any of the 3,000 jobs might last. But in at least some cases, if workers accumulate enough hours, they may be able to join the union full-time.

To apply, people were supposed to fill out a postcard bearing name, address and telephone number, and get it in the mail by last Friday. The only requirements: Be at least 18 years old, have a driver's license and be legally eligible to work in the U.S.

A Long Beach post office spokesman said Tuesday that a conservative estimate put the number of mailed-in applications at between 220,000 and 250,000. A shipping lines' representative suggested that the tally could climb substantially higher before Thursday's lottery.

The number of cards may have been inflated by applicants sending in more than one each, though officials have said people who do so would be rejected.

Even the current count far outstrips the most imaginative estimates of both dockworkers and shipping company executives, who were expecting no more than 25,000 to 30,000 to sign up for the jobs.

The hiring spree has not been without controversy.

One longshoreman filed a complaint this month with the National Labor Relations Board, charging that the shipping lines and the ILWU conspired to manipulate the jobs lottery.

The complaint by Neal Schreiner, which alleges that the selection process has been unfairly rigged to favor friends and relatives of union and shipping officials, was first reported by the Daily Breeze in Torrance. The newspaper also first reported the deluge of job applications.

At the heart of Schreiner's complaint is an agreement under which the union and the shipping lines handed out 8,000 special "longshore opportunity interest cards" to friends, relatives and acquaintances of ILWU and company officials.

If, say, 5,000 of these special postcards are filled out and returned, those running the lottery will randomly pick an additional 5,000 postcards from the hundreds of thousands submitted by the public. From there, the final 3,000 will be drawn.

In other words, half the cards in the final drawing will be from people with some kind of connection to the ports. As a result, those applicants "have a chance of maybe one out of two or three" to win a job, Schreiner said.

"The public at large has one chance in about 1,200," he added. "This is a fraud and a scam."

The Pacific Maritime Assn., which represents West Coast shipping lines, had no comment on Schreiner's complaint. An NLRB spokesman also declined to comment.

Experts disagreed about whether the process was improperly biased.

Mark Theodore, an attorney who frequently represents management in labor disputes, said that the ILWU and maritime association, when soliciting applications in newspaper ads, may have erred by not fully disclosing how the lottery would work. When the rules aren't spelled out, "you subject yourself to liability," he said.

But Jerry Hunter, who served as a general counsel of the NLRB in the early 1990s, said that it would be difficult to prove that the process favored those running the lottery, when all of the postcards have been given out to people not formally associated with the union or the companies.

Applicant Sheets was miffed when told about Schreiner's allegations. "It makes me feel very discouraged," he said. "It was supposed to be an even, fair drawing. Why did I even bother?"

In all, the ILWU and shipping lines expect to select 12,000 to 14,000 people out of the lottery. That way, they'll have extra bodies available in case some of the initial 3,000 winners don't pass their physicals or drug tests — or aren't up to the grueling task of lashing 40-foot-long shipping containers so they don't shift around at sea.





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Wednesday, August 18, 2004

Entries for port jobs' lottery pass 300,000
SAN PEDRO: Deluge of postcards for a chance at the new part-time longshore positions won't delay drawing, officials say.

By Donna Littlejohn, Daily Breeze




Appearing to surpass all of the original estimates, a flood of lottery cards for part-time longshore applications has poured in since Friday's postmark deadline, with more expected.


No exact figures were available Monday, but Steve Stallone, spokesman for the International Longshore and Warehouse Union office in San Francisco, said as many as 300,000 cards already were in hand for the 3,000 available positions.


The exact number, though, could not be confirmed with local ILWU or Pacific Maritime Association officials.


And while meetings are ongoing and there have been rumors that Thursday's drawing could be postponed, Stallone said Monday that it appeared the process was "proceeding as planned."


The large numbers of postcards, however, could prove a challenge.


"I think it's going to become difficult to process all of these in some fashion," Stallone said.


Weeding out duplicate cards, for example, "is going to be tough to do," Stallone said.


Meanwhile, charges have been filed with the National Labor Relations Board alleging that the process, which gives preprinted industry cards better odds in the lottery drawing, is biased.


Longshoreman and long-time ILWU critic Neal Schreiner filed the charges, naming both the union and PMA, representing employers, in the complaint.


"There's nothing fair about this at all," Schreiner said. "The public at large is being deprived of equal opportunity."


Under the planned lottery system, all of the union and other industry cards (expected to be somewhere between 8,000 and 10,000) will be placed in a separate drum while a matching number of cards from the public -- chosen in a preliminary lottery and leaving out the bulk of public cards sent in -- will be combined for the final drawing.


Union officials defend the practice, saying applicants who live locally and are most familiar with the industry are better prepared to take on the job responsibilities of longshore work.


But others complain the process is unfair to those with no ties to the union.


"They need to put a halt to this until they can work this out to satisfy everybody," said P. Hillman who lives in the Long Beach area and has friends who sent in public cards. "It seems like they're being totally unfair to the public."


There were rumors last week that the union might abandon the so-called "two-drum" procedure in light of potential legal challenges, but ILWU's Stallone said the original plan appears to still be going forward.


"I'm sure things are being discussed, but I have no reason to suspect anything's going to change," Stallone said.


An investigation and decision on Schreiner's NLRB charge is expected to take seven weeks.


"We'll do an investigation and make a determination on whether we think it has merit or not," NLRB regional attorney Bill Pate said of the charge. "If not, we'll dismiss it. If we think it does have merit, we'd attempt to settle with the parties."


ILWU clerical workers also have filed a petition charging that the unit's 750 members were unfairly left out of the distribution of preprinted cards.


The petition was signed by 300 members of the unit, which is affiliated with Marine Clerks Local 63.


"We feel as dues-paying union members in good standing that we should have been given cards," said a member involved in the effort who declined to give her name. "We feel that it's discriminatory."


Some of the ILWU's 2,000 pensioners also were upset that they did not receive the cards.


Members of Locals 13, 63 and 94 received the preprinted cards, along with some casual workers and 500 Pacific Maritime Association member companies, to give to friends and family.


John Fageaux Jr., president of the clerical unit, said he was aware of the petition but did not wish to comment about its merits.


"I haven't seen it, but I heard talk about it," he said. "There were some individuals who felt since we're a sister local that we should have been entitled to the cards."


Publish Date:August 17, 2004

My previous observation was just a trope involving incongruity between what is apparent and what is actually occuring. These two clowns are the resident loonies and it wouldn't surprise me if they co-authored this thread.

See my satire of the work of these goofballs here:

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2004/08/115742.php

I just thought you'd like to know Ive noticed this stuff going on out here in Riverside for a couple of years now. Always wondered what was up.

We have the "bogus firemen" too. I think it's drug related some of this, seems like the guys doing it look mostly to be Mexicans or gang bangers, like you guys are saying.

Maybe it's the military running some kind of deal here to keep us in line - ha - Patriot Act? Or maybe it's just the Mexicanization of the South West.

Or maybe a combo of both?

Seems to be two schools of thought going on in this thread - one thinks it's "police state/surveillance state/big brother" - other seems to point finger more at organized crime operations, drug cartels, and gangs/Mexicans.

Interesting stuff, keep posting it. I think it's gotten worse last few years. Definately noticing it out here, for sure, more than would be if just a "coincidence".

Interesting times we are in....

Tis Max and the other Cheetos Boys, still trying to get their Eagle Scout badges.

FYI, posters: This may be the same "Max" that crapped up another indymedia page. Take a hike, man.

Hey, great posts btw, Duck and David; we have these clowns where I live too, they typically use radio station decals along with some other stuff on their cars, and they appear to be gang members. Both men and women. Kids too.

Cops pop 'em a lot where I live, you see them getting pulled over all the time and cited for one thing or another, the cops don't tolerate them one bit unlike what you guys are saying about LA. They tail them on freeways and so they must know about these guys, like you guys claim they do.

I'm further north btw....

I turned my friends on to this page and they are all going whoa, dude! Seen this, been here! I even posted these links on about six different groups....

I also saw this link posted at a patriot forum and in some Yahoo groups, so you're getting spread around a lot on the web. Keep it up....

I think it's cool, maybe you'll get some "perps" popped by cops or feds like you say....

This is from your other site:

Book Review:
Terrorist Stalking in America
by David Lawson,
reviewer Eleanor White
This page updated April 26, 2004
Copyright 2001
Published by Scrambling News
915 N.W. First Avenue - Suite 2903
Miami, FL 33136-3541 USA
ISBN 0-9703092-0-1
73 pages, indexed

Purchase source:

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** FOUR STARS **
This book is an INCREDIBLE resource for victims of multiple stalking and group harassment. The author accomplished what multiple stalking victims only DREAM about - he penetrated street level perpetrator groups. Although this book does not indicate David Lawson is aware of the full spectrum of advanced electronics some of these groups have and use, this book is likely to be very helpful for victims who are forced to deal with skeptical family, friends, co-workers, and local authorities. It is definitely a breakthrough in the cause of exposing and stopping these criminal gangs who operate freely, while law enforcement only gives their lowest ranking street level members a slap on the wrist now and then (while they den