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Pluto rising

by Astologer Tuesday, Jun. 29, 2004 at 5:14 PM

doesn't look good

Pluto rising...
iraq.jpgpvyxze.jpg, image/jpeg, 444x555

Pluto rising for the chart of Iraqs handover. 2:26 PM GMT. Mars in Leo 8th house.

Lots of religious violence ahead. It's all about money.

Look at Neptune/Uranus/Jupiter+Venus: Ouch...oil fighting the rulers/rulers obsessed with oil/religion, straining any healing to the point where aggression trumps love (Mars)

Iraq may be looking for a strong protector for a long time.

Bi-chart w/USA: America loves the violence and wants dictatorial regimes in it's family. But who can tell which way revolutionary violence will lead? Certainly not arrogant altruism of US capitalism.

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Astrology, do you see a Kerry win?

by Cause no one else does Tuesday, Jun. 29, 2004 at 5:30 PM

Pluto rising for the chart of Iraqs handover. 2:26 PM GMT. Mars in Leo 8th house.

>>>> Amazing how fools will believe the orbit of a cold hunk of rock in space determines human destiny. But these same fools can't see the folly of socialism and failure of communism. Liberals, ho!



Lots of religious violence ahead. It's all about money.

>>>> WOW! Incredible. You should change yuor name to Nostradumbass.



Look at Neptune/Uranus/Jupiter+Venus: Ouch...oil fighting the rulers/rulers obsessed with oil/religion, straining any healing to the point where aggression trumps love (Mars)



>>>> I see a bunch of colored lines drawn by a 7th grader with the edge of a protractor. What they mean is anyone's guess, but it sure looks very neat and organized.

Iraq may be looking for a strong protector for a long time.

>>>> You stole this line from Ms. Cleo.

Bi-chart w/USA: America loves the violence and wants dictatorial regimes in it's family. But who can tell which way revolutionary violence will lead? Certainly not arrogant altruism of US capitalism.

>>>> If only you used your magickal prowess and alerted authorities on September 10, 2001.

>>>> You must be a fraud. All psychics are.

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my predictions

by Meyer London Tuesday, Jun. 29, 2004 at 8:15 PM

Bush will make a fool of himself several more times before the election, unintentionally revealing by what he says in his speeches that he is ignorant, lazy, not well-read, not very bright, a religious fanatic, a narrow-minded provincial, an enemy of everyone who is not white, male and well to do, and seething with racial, gender, homophobic, and xenophobic bigotry.

Iraq will go from bad to worse, with many more Americans killed, many more US troops expressing bewilderment as to why they are there, the pathetic Iraqi government holed up in a fortress somewhere wiht a ring of American tanks protecting it from its own people, and mass protests in the US taking on the proportions of those of the 1960's and the 1930's.

If my predictions come through, will that prove that I have psychic abilities?

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Marx dies here

by astrology nimrods retreat Tuesday, Jun. 29, 2004 at 9:08 PM

Bush will make a fool of himself several more times before the election, unintentionally revealing by what he says in his speeches that he is ignorant, lazy, not well-read, not very bright, a religious fanatic, a narrow-minded provincial, an enemy of everyone who is not white, male and well to do, and seething with racial, gender, homophobic, and xenophobic bigotry.

>>>> If Bush WAS any of those, would he 'intentionally' reveal them?

the "charges"

ignorant--of what? the muslims don't think so as they're whipped from pillar to post.

lazy--the less government does, the better.

not well-read--clinton read "tons" of books and they did

nothing for his character

not very bright-- yet has a Harvard MBA; flew combat jets

a religious fanatic--this comment will be dismissed, as anyone who is not an ACLU atheist patsy is "a religious fanatic" You will NEVER get rid of religion. It never retreats for long. Russian churches are a testament to that.

a narrow-minded provincial--because he doesn't embrace the failures of socialism?

an enemy of everyone who is not white, male and well to do, and seething with racial, gender, homophobic, and xenophobic bigotry.

>>> you've been away awhile, Meyer. These weak-assed, unfounded Boy-who-cried-racism/fascism charges have been exposed for what they are, sneak attacks by cultural marxists against a superior culture. There is no reason to accomodate Orwellian leftists who denigrate American heroes, celebrate perversity and gnash their teeth whenever someone shouts, AMERICA IS THE GREATEST COUNTRY ON EARTH.

Iraq will go from bad to worse, with many more Americans killed, many more US troops expressing bewilderment as to why they are there, the pathetic Iraqi government holed up in a fortress somewhere wiht a ring of American tanks protecting it from its own people, and mass protests in the US taking on the proportions of those of the 1960's and the 1930's.

If my predictions come through, will that prove that I have psychic abilities?

>>> No, just that you're cynical and perhaps will never stop believing a handful of marxist bumpkins, educated beyond their intelligence and with no faith in people, should rule without the consent of the governed. They tried it overtly in Russia and failed, now they're trying it covertly in America. NO MORE.

>>> Who will tell the Iraqi people they were better off being tortured and living in terror of Saddam instead of rising to the challenges of freedom?



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Meyer

by Impartial Observer Tuesday, Jun. 29, 2004 at 9:13 PM

Meyer - If you were half as smart as GW Bush you'd be twice as smart as you are and four times as smart as the average liberal. That would make you eight times smarter than Michael Moore and 32 times smarter than Gore Vidal.

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his dick in a wringer

by Sheepdog Tuesday, Jun. 29, 2004 at 11:08 PM

This meat puppet has no choice. He can't bring the troops back before they're too sick to kick his ass.

They have to be replaced with fresh meat from the Kerry draft after he stamps a whole lot of pardons. Real sick situations. If they don't try to pull another CIA sponsored terrorist event to throw the election the idiots.

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fresca

by oh yeah! Wednesday, Jun. 30, 2004 at 2:23 AM

"another CIA sponsored terrorist event"

Vintage sheepdog delusion.

Still a schizophrenic bug.

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well, blubber butt, ya gotta admit...

by Sheepdog Wednesday, Jun. 30, 2004 at 12:52 PM

...these are interesting times.

Poor bastards.

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another event?

by Meyer London Wednesday, Jun. 30, 2004 at 12:58 PM

Yes, a CIA sponsored "terrorist event" such as another plane crash or a release of toxic chemicals or viruses/bacteria in a big city could take place as part of an effort to bring back voters to Bush. On the other hand, the aim could be even more sinister - to give Bush a chance to declare a national emergency and cancel the election altogether, using the excuse that he has solid evidence that "terrorists" are planning vast numbers of attacks on polling places.

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Simple

by Simple Simon Wednesday, Jun. 30, 2004 at 1:04 PM

Sheepdog, kindly explain your comment about our troops getting 'sick'.

See, the strange thing is, you have for years been peddling the notion that Southern Iraq is some atomic wasteland where thousands die of radioactive poisoning from all the DU rounds we fired in the first Gulf War.

Our boys have been on the ground for over a year, and I haven't heard anything about anyone getting sick. Aside, of course from all the normal maladies associated with a desert environment.

Yet now you claim that our President is intentionally leaving our soldiers in a foreign country to get 'sick'.

Strange.

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yeah right

by Sheepdog Wednesday, Jun. 30, 2004 at 1:51 PM

Like you don't even know that these little exercises of US muscle are not used to test new weapons, NBC, as well as the shit they never cleaned up after Gull Slaughter 1. Ever look at the disability rate of GS1?

I know; they don't use the same brand of baby powder now.

You fucking don't give a shit about the REAL Joes dieing for your grand chorus of greed wrapped in lies. You make me ill, you fucking ass wiper boy for the royalty. My hopes are you become part of the cluster fuck over there in the sandbox. You can replace some or your BF'ed and RF'ed brothers in arms.

Screw you, desk boy, you aren't worth responding to.

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fresca

by quitcher whining Wednesday, Jun. 30, 2004 at 1:56 PM

Sheepdog, you'd be funny if you weren't so pathetic.

Beyond the fact that we are FINALLY fighting a truly righteous war against a flat out plague against humanity (arab islamic culture), you're cloak and dagger misinformation is simply that. Misinformation. Now quit whining and let's hope our boys can move into Syria before to long.

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christ, fresca

by Sheepdog Wednesday, Jun. 30, 2004 at 2:04 PM

I knew it was wrong to respond to you.

Now you're following me around again like a puppy.

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Mr. London

by Sheepdog Wednesday, Jun. 30, 2004 at 2:22 PM

You know Meyer, it seems to me that the next event would be the final straw if they tried to pull it off. Funny how they so transparently know all about these threats but are totally unable to stop them. Policy, no doubt. Can't do it.

The public, I believe is now becoming pissed about the way they've been had. We might possibly have another 'Spanish fly' here as the obvious connections have already been made in the majority of the people where the the real terror is coming from.

This is why the intense resources that ones sees around themselves have been brought to bare in order to whip the public with this terror production is because they are required. The theft of our nation has become apparent. It's good to remind people where it went and who took it.

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Simple

by Simple Simon Thursday, Jul. 01, 2004 at 12:00 AM

Sheepdog, sweetie;

Main Entry: sub·stan·ti·ate

Pronunciation: s&b-'stan(t)-shE-"At

Function: transitive verb

Inflected Form(s): -at·ed; -at·ing

1 : to give substance or form to : EMBODY

2 : to establish by proof or competent evidence : VERIFY

synonym see CONFIRM

Now then, now that you've had your little venting session, (do you feel better?) can we get back to the issue at hand?

For purposes of reiteration:

You have stated above that the President is somehow plotting to leave our soldiers in Iraq until they are 'sick'. You have also stated on many occasions that our soldiers are made 'sick' by our use of DU weaponry.

Why haven't we heard of any illnesses connected to DU exposure? This is especially unusual since you have, FOR YEARS, told us all about the horrors of life in Southern Iraq, and the thousands of people who have been sickened by exposure to dust from our expended weapon systems.

Where are the sick Americans? Britons? Poles? South Koreans? Or do these races have superior resistance to DU? Or have the mad geniuses at the Pentagon concocted a kill-Arabs-only strain of DU?

Why also, since you were fool enough to bring it up, the disparity of cases of "Gulf War Syndrome" from the first to the second Gulf Wars? So many sick Americans in the first, so few in the second.

Hmmm. And Saddam Hussein unquestionably had stockpiles of NBC weapons during the first Gulf War.

Hmmm. And he launched SCUD missiles daily at our troops and bases in Saudi Arabia.

Still waiting for a response from you, and not another temper tantrum, please.

You have been asked to substantiate accusations you have made. I know it must be painful, but another humiliation like this may put you on the path to retard recovery.

A slim chance, granted, but there is always hope.

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A few links on DU

by Sheepdog Friday, Jul. 02, 2004 at 2:27 PM

For anyone interested in such things that don't follow a particular psyops script-

http://www.stopnato.org.uk/du-watch/bein/lid.htm

you may wish to do some independent investagation. Many previous sites are no longer available but I recomend this for Simple Simon-

http://aaart.tripod.com/effects.htm

-and these for the more serious.-

http://www.stopnato.org.uk/du-watch/bein/physic.htm

-The fact that military authorities in both the US and NATO advise their own soldiers to take precautions when handling DU munitions and have prepared detailed training manuals and videos to ensure troop safety [reference to US Army 1955 training video], while issuing blanket denials of health risks to the public, strikes us as hypocritical at the very least, and reinforces our judgment that these weapons should be withdrawn from service.-

Apparently a good scrubbing has occured and many previous pages are gone, but this is a very serious issue and most lilely will become more so.

http://www.rimbaud.freeserve.co.uk/iraq.htm

-In 1990 the UK's Atomic Energy Authority sent a report to the British Government, estimating that if 50 tonnes were left in the Gulf are should there be a war, then these would lead to an estimated 50,000 extra cancer deaths in the decade. Experts now estimate that there may be 900 tonnes remaining, travelling where the wind blows(2).

By early 1992, doctors in Iraq were bewildered by the rise in birth deformities - some so grotesque and unusual that they expected to see them only in textbooks and perhaps once or twice in a lifetime. They compared them to those recorded in the Pacific islands after the nuclear testing in the 1950s. Cancers too were rising, especially among the young, the most susceptible to radiation.-



As for our own people marooned in sandbox hell, the military has only very recently begun testing the few returning troops who voluntarily request it.

http://www.avip2001.net/DOCS/SS001002Nuremberg.htm

-(1) Continual DoD denials, until 1996, of the exposure of as many as 100,000 U.S. troops to low levels of chemical warfare agents.

(2) DoD denials, until 1998, of exposure of as many as 436,000 U.S. troops to depleted uranium (DU).

(3) Failure of the DoD to maintain and disclose records on INDs, specifically pyridostigmine bromide (PB), used to protect troops from the nerve gas soman; the botulinum toxoid vaccine; and the anthrax vaccine. The NGWRC cited a dearth of records detailing those who received the anthrax vaccine, when it was administered, and what lots were used.

(4) Failure of the DoD to keep records on the types, amounts and exposure periods of other toxins, including chemical agent resistant coatings (CARCs) and oil well-fire pollutants, to which soldiers who lived in heavily polluted areas for two months or longer during the 1991 Gulf War and its aftermath were exposed.-

do your own search if you're concerned.

[ DU+US+Troops]

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how un-american

by Sy$TeMF@iLuRe Saturday, Jul. 03, 2004 at 7:33 AM

Yeah, no proof, never heard anything about it.

What a sham.

try going to the gulf war veterans association website

dedicated to the gulf vets

http://gulfwarvets.com

that simple simon is (and always has been) an uninformed moron.

too bad he has never been in combat.

REMF.

Yeah, buddy, kick down those vets and talk shit.

at least we know where he'll stand on the Iraqi war veterans

10 years from now.

scum.

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Simple

by Simple Simon Saturday, Jul. 10, 2004 at 7:53 PM

Riddle me this, Failure;

If DU is the cause of Gulf War Syndrome, how come there are NO cases of Gulf War Syndrome occurring in the troops deployed in the second Gulf War?

Did we discontinue the use of DU? Nope.

Oh, and our soldiers are INHABITING the various towns, villages, and cities where they used these weapons. Strangely, soldiers just passing through during a 100 hour war get sick, but soldiers who stay deployed for as long as 18 months don't.

Wow. That's a mystery.

And furthermore, my fat little whiny former mortar maggot, don't arrogate to yourself knowledge you don't have. You don't know anything about being a 'combat soldier'. You just rode around in a track and dropped rounds and ate pogie bait - and bitched the whole time. Your betters have been in Iraq since last Spring, and some more will be deploying soon.

Now back to you, Sheepdog;

You trot out old links, but you don't have any new information. The entire Western media conglomerate is all over the country of Iraq, and yet I've seen no stories on DU. Curious. Not even Al Jazeera has made the idiotic assertions that you have trotted out for as long as I have visited this sight. How does it feel to be to the Left of Al Jazeera, anyway?

NO CONFIRMED DU SICKNESS IN AMERICAN TROOPS DESPITE AMERICAN PRESENCE IN IRAQ FOR MORE THAN 14 MONTHS.

And that's the fact, Jack.

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