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Protest the Reagan lovers

by Impeach bush Wednesday, Jun. 09, 2004 at 12:19 PM

A call to all who know the true history of the man.

If you want to protest Reagan and his Kkklan, his corpse is in Simi Valley at the Reagan Library until Wed, when it is flown to DC, and then back for interment on Friday. So there are a few days when protesting can be done.

Also there is the star on Hollywood Blvd. between Ivar & Cahuenga which should not go without a counter demo.



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deluded leftists (is there any other kind?)

by Nader Green Wednesday, Jun. 09, 2004 at 6:35 PM

Instead of wasting precious OIL driving your hippy-ass caravans out to Simi, why don't you stay home and write another communist manifesto. maybe it'll work this time

Personally, I'd love to witness you a-holes protesting at Simi. You wouldn't last 5 minutes before being scraped off the street by laughing cops.

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How much precious oil

by TaxPayer Thursday, Jun. 10, 2004 at 1:52 AM

is going to be used ferrying A CORPSE coast to coast TWICE?
How much is this royal farce going to cost me and other fellow taxpayers?
Can't we just incinerate locally and FedEx the ashes to DC? Who would notice?

The thousands of civilians murdered by the death squads this sad bozo trained didn't enjoy his expensive treatment.

This North Corean-style personality cult stinks like the smell of his body at this hour.
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The corpse worth more than all liberals combined

by shut yer yap, hippie Thursday, Jun. 10, 2004 at 3:47 AM

That Republi-corpse is worth more than all you live liberal numbnuts combined.

Reagan with Alzheimer's was still smarter than the most "noteworthy" liberal today, meaning whichever cornholing commie son of a bitch you want to pull out of a hat this week.

We'll save "precious" oil by dropping Clitton/Carter in a blast furnace. We might not wait till they've croaked either.






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Reagan was war criminal

by Impeach Bush Thursday, Jun. 10, 2004 at 4:19 AM

From his eight years in the White House, there is no historical indication that he was troubled by the bloodbath and even genocide that occurred in Central America during his presidency, while he was shipping hundreds of millions of dollars in military aid to the implicated forces.

The death toll was staggering -- an estimated 70,000 or more political killings in El Salvador, possibly 20,000 slain from the contra war in Nicaragua, about 200 political "disappearances" in Honduras and some 100,000 people eliminated during a resurgence of political violence in Guatemala.

The one consistent element in these slaughters was the overarching Cold War rationalization, emanating in large part from Ronald Reagan's White House.

Yet, as the world community moves to punish war crimes in the former Yugoslavia and Rwanda, no substantive discussion has occurred in the United States about facing up to this horrendous record of the 1980s.

Rather than a debate about Reagan as a potential war criminal, the ailing ex-president is honored as a conservative icon with his name attached to Washington National Airport and with an active legislative push to have his face carved into Mount Rushmore.

When the national news media does briefly acknowledge the barbarities of the 1980s in Central America, it is in the context of one-day stories about the little countries bravely facing up to their violent pasts.

At times, the CIA is fingered abstractly as a bad supporting actor in the violent dramas. But never does the national press lay blame on individual American officials.

The grisly reality of Central America was most recently revisited on Feb. 25 when a Guatemalan truth commission issued a report on the staggering human rights crimes that occurred during a 34-year civil war.

The Historical Clarification Commission, an independent human rights body, estimated that the conflict claimed the lives of some 200,000 people with the most savage bloodletting occurring in the 1980s.

Based on a review of about 20 percent of the dead, the panel blamed the army for 93 percent of the killings and leftist guerrillas for three percent. Four percent were listed as unresolved.

The report documented that in the 1980s, the army committed 626 massacres against Mayan villages. "The massacres that eliminated entire Mayan villages ... are neither perfidious allegations nor figments of the imagination, but an authentic chapter in Guatemala's history," the commission concluded.

The army "completely exterminated Mayan communities, destroyed their livestock and crops," the report said. In the north, the report termed the slaughter a "genocide." [WP, Feb. 26,1999]

Besides carrying out murder and " disappearances," the army routinely engaged in torture and rape. "The rape of women, during torture or before being murdered, was a common practice" by the military and paramilitary forces, the report found.

The report added that the "government of the United States, through various agencies including the CIA, provided direct and indirect support for some [of these] state operations." 'The report concluded that the U.S. government also gave money and training to a Guatemalan military that committed "acts of genocide" against the Mayans.

"Believing that the ends justified everything, the military and the state security forces blindly pursued the anticommunist struggle, without respect for any legal principles or the most elemental ethical and religious values, and in this way, completely lost any semblance of human morals," said the commission chairman, Christian Tomuschat, a German jurist.

"Within the framework of the counterinsurgency operations carried out between 1981 and 1983, in certain regions of the country agents of the Guatemalan state committed acts of genocide against groups of the Mayan people," he added. [NYT, Feb. 26, 1999]

The report did not single out culpable individuals either in Guatemala or the United States. But the American official most directly responsible for renewing U.S. military aid to Guatemala and encouraging its government during the 1980s was President Reagan.

After his election, Reagan pushed aggressively to overturn an arms embargo imposed on Guatemala by President Carter because of the military's wretched human rights record.

Reagan saw bolstering the Guatemalan army as part of a regional response to growing leftist insurgencies. Reagan pitched the conflicts as Moscow's machinations for surrounding and conquering the United States.

The president's chief concern about the recurring reports of human rights atrocities was to attack and discredit the information. Sometimes personally and sometimes through surrogates, Reagan denigrated the human rights investigators and journalists who disclosed the slaughters.

Typical of these attacks was an analysis prepared by Reagan's appointees at the U.S. embassy in Guatemala. The paper was among those recently released by the Clinton administration to assist the Guatemalan truth commission's investigation.

Dated Oct. 22, 1982, the analysis concluded "that a concerted disinformation campaign is being waged in the U.S. against the Guatemalan government by groups supporting the communist insurgency in Guatemala."

The report claimed that "conscientious human rights and church organizations," including Amnesty International, had been duped by the communists and "may not fully appreciate that they are being utilized."

"The campaign's object is simple: to deny the Guatemalan army the weapons and equipment needed from the U.S. to defeat the guerrillas," the analysis declared.

"If those promoting such disinformation can convince the Congress, through the usual opinion-makers -- the media, church and human rights groups -- that the present GOG government of Guatemala] is guilty of gross human rights violations they know that the Congress will refuse Guatemala the military assistance it needs.

" Those backing the communist insurgency are betting on an application, or rather misapplication, of human rights policy so as to damage the GOG and assist themselves."

Reagan personally picked up this theme of a falsely accused Guatemalan military. During a swing through Latin America, Reagan discounted the mounting reports of hundreds of Maya villages being eradicated.

On Dec. 4, 1982, after meeting with Guatemala's dictator, Gen. Efrain Rios Montt, Reagan hailed the general as "totally dedicated to democracy." Reagan declared that Rios Montt's government had been "getting a bum rap."

But the newly declassified U.S. government records reveal that Reagan's praise -- and the embassy analysis -- flew in the face of corroborated accounts from U.S. intelligence.

Based on its own internal documents, the Reagan administration knew that the Guatemalan military indeed was engaged in a scorched-earth campaign against the Mayans.

According to these "secret" cables, the CIA was confirming Guatemalan government massacres in 1981-82 even as Reagan was moving to loosen the military aid ban.

In April 1981, a secret CIA cable described a massacre at Cocob, near Nebaj in the Ixil Indian territory. On April 17, 1981, government troops attacked the area believed to support leftist guerrillas, the cable said.

According to a CIA source, "the social population appeared to fully support the guerrillas" and "the soldiers were forced to fire at anything that moved." The CIA cable added that "the Guatemalan authorities admitted that 'many civilians' were killed in Cocob, many of whom undoubtedly were noncombatants. "

Despite the CIA account and other similar reports, Reagan permitted Guatemala's army to buy $3.2 million in military trucks and jeeps in June 1981. To permit the sale, Reagan removed the vehicles from a list of military equipment that was covered by the human rights embargo.

Apparently confident of Reagan's sympathies, the Guatemalan government continued its political repression without apology.

According to a State Department cable on Oct. 5, 1981, Guatemalan leaders met with Reagan's roving ambassador, retired Gen. Vernon Walters, and left no doubt about their plans.

Guatemala's military leader, Gen. Fernando Romeo Lucas Garcia, "made clear that his government will continue as before -- that the repression will continue. He reiterated his belief that the repression is working and that the guerrilla threat will be successfully routed."

Human rights groups saw the same picture. The Inter-American Human Rights Commission released a report on Oct. 15, 1981, blaming the Guatemalan government for "thousands of illegal executions." [WP, Oct. 16, 1981]

But the Reagan administration was set on whitewashing the ugly scene. A State Department "white paper," released in December 1981. blamed the violence on leftist "extremist groups" and their "terrorist methods" prompted and supported by Cuba's Fidel Castro.

Yet, even as these rationalizations were presented to the American people, U.S. agencies continued to pick up clear evidence of government-sponsored massacres.

One CIA report in February 1982 described an army sweep through the so-called Ixil Triangle in central El Quiche province.

"The commanding officers of the units involved have been instructed to destroy all towns and villages which are cooperating with the Guerrilla Army of the Poor [known as the EGP] and eliminate all sources of resistance," the report stated.

"Since the operation began, several villages have been burned to the ground, and a large number of guerrillas and collaborators have been killed."

The CIA report explained the army's modus operandi "When an army patrol meets resistance and takes fire from a town or village, it is assumed that the entire town is hostile and it is subsequently destroyed."

When the army encountered an empty village, it was "assumed to have been supporting the EGP, and it is destroyed. There are hundreds, possibly thousands of refugees in the hills with no homes to return to....

"The army high command is highly pleased with the initial results of the sweep operation, and believes that it will be successful in destroying the major EGP support area and will be able to drive the EGP out of the Ixil Triangle. ... The well documented belief by the army that the entire Ixil Indian population is pro-EGP has created a situation in which the army can be expected to give no quarter to combatants and noncombatants alike."

In March 1982, Gen. Rios Montt seized power. An avowed fundamentalist Christian, he immediately impressed Washington. Reagan hailed Rios Montt as "a man of great personal integrity."

By July 1982, however, Rios Montt had begun a new scorched-earth campaign called his "rifles and beans" policy. The slogan meant that pacified Indians would get "beans," while all others could expect to be the target of army "rifles."

In October, he secretly gave carte blanche to the feared "Archivos" intelligence unit to expand "death squad" operations. Based at the Presidential Palace, the "Archivos" masterminded many of Guatemala's most notorious 3 assassinations.

The U.S. embassy was soon hearing more accounts of the army conducting Indian massacres. On Oct, 21, 1982, one cable described how three embassy of officers tried to check out some of these reports but ran into bad weather and canceled the inspection.

Still, this cable put the best possible spin on the situation. Though unable to check out the massacre reports, the embassy officials did "reach the conclusion that the army is completely up front about allowing us to check alleged massacre sites and to speak with whomever we wish."

The next day, the embassy fired off its analysis that the Guatemalan government was the victim of a communist-inspired "disinformation campaign," a claim embraced by Reagan with his "bum rap" comment in December.

On Jan. 7, 1983, Reagan lifted the ban on military aid to Guatemala and authorized the sale of $6 million in military hardware. Approval covered spare parts for UH-1H helicopters and A-37 aircraft used in counterinsurgency operations. Radios, batteries and battery charges were also in package.

State Department spokesman John Hughes said political violence in the cities had "declined dramatically" and that rural conditions had improved too.

In February 1983, however, a secret CIA cable noted a rise in "suspect right-wing violence" with kidnappings of students and teachers. Bodies of victims were appearing in ditches and gullies.

CIA sources traced these political murders to Rios Montt's order to the " Archivos" in October to "apprehend, hold, interrogate and dispose of suspected guerrillas as they saw fit."

Despite these grisly facts on the ground, the annual State Department human rights survey praised the supposedly improved human rights situation in Guatemala. "The overall conduct of the armed forces had improved by late in the year" 1982, the report stated. A different picture -- far closer to the secret information held by the U.S. government -- was coming from independent human rights investigators. On March 17, ] 983, Americas Watch representatives condemned the Guatemalan army for human rights atrocities against the Indian population.

New York attorney Stephen L. Kass said these findings included proof that the government carried out "virtually indiscriminate murder of men, women and children of any farm regarded by the army as possibly supportive of guerrilla insurgents."

Rural women suspected of guerrilla sympathies were raped before execution, Kass said. Children were "thrown into burning homes. They are thrown in the air and speared with bayonets. We heard many, many stories of children being picked up by the ankles and swung against poles so their heads are destroyed." [AP, March 17, 1983]

Publicly, however, senior Reagan officials continued to put on a happy face. On June 12, 1983, special envoy Richard B. Stone praised "positive changes" in Rios Montt's government.

But Rios Montt's vengeful Christian fundamentalism was hurtling out of control, even by Guatemalan standards. In August 1983, Gen. Oscar Mejia Victores seized power in another coup.

Despite the power shift, Guatemalan security forces continued to act with impunity.

When three Guatemalans working for the U.S. Agency for International Development were slain in November 1983, U.S. Ambassador Frederic Chapin suspected that "Archivos" hit squads were sending a message to the United States to back off even the mild pressure for human rights improvements.

In late November, in a brief show of displeasure, the administration postponed the sale of $2 million in helicopter spare parts. The next month, however, Reagan sent the spare parts.

In 1984, Reagan succeeded, too, in pressuring Congress to approve $300,000 in military training for the Guatemalan army.

By mid-1984, Chapin, who had grown bitter about the army's stubborn brutality, was gone, replaced by a far-right political appointee named Alberto Piedra, who was all for increased military assistance to Guatemala.

In January 1985, Americas Watch issued a report observing that Reagan's State Department "is apparently more concerned with improving Guatemala's image than in improving its human rights. "

According to the newly declassified U.S. records, the Guatemalan reality included torture out of the Middle Ages. A Defense Intelligence Agency cable reported that the Guatemalan military used an air base in Retalhuleu during the mid-1980s as a center for coordinating the counterinsurgency campaign in southwest Guatemala.

At the base, pits were filled with water to hold captured suspects. "Reportedly there were cages over the pits and the water level was such that the individuals held within them were forced to hold on to the bars in order to keep their heads above water and avoid drowning," the DIA report stated. Later, the pits were filled with concrete to eliminate the evidence.

The Guatemalan military used the Pacific Ocean as another dumping spot for political victims, according to the DIA report. Bodies of insurgents tortured to death and of live prisoners marked for " disappearance" were loaded on planes that flew out over the ocean where the soldiers would shove the victims into the water.

The history of the Retalhuleu death camp was uncovered by accident in the early 1990s, the DIA reported on April 11, 1994. A Guatemalan officer wanted to let soldiers cultivate their own vegetables on a corner of the base.

But the officer was taken aside and told to drop the request "because the locations he had wanted to cultivate were burial sites that had been used by the D-2 [military intelligence] during the mid-eighties. "

Guatemala, of course, was not the only Central American country where Reagan and his administration supported brutal counterinsurgency operations -- and then sought to cover up the bloody facts.

Reagan's falsification of the historical record was a hallmark of the conflicts in El Salvador and Nicaragua as well. In one case, Reagan personally lashed out at an individual human rights investigator named Reed Brody, a New York lawyer who had collected affidavits from more than 100 witnesses to atrocities carried out by the U.S.-supported contras in Nicaragua.

Angered by the revelations about his pet "freedom-fighters," Reagan denounced Brody in a speech on April 15, 1985. The president called Brody "one of dictator [Daniel] Ortega's supporters, a sympathizer who has openly embraced Sandinismo."

Privately, Reagan had a far more accurate understanding of the true nature of the contras. At one point in the contra war, Reagan turned to CIA official Duane Clarridge and demanded that the contras be used to destroy some Soviet-supplied helicopters that had arrived in Nicaragua.

In his memoirs, Clarridge recalled that "President Reagan pulled me aside and asked, 'Dewey, can't you get those vandals of yours to do this job."' [See Clarridge's A Spy for All Seasons.]

To conceal the truth about the war crimes of Central America, Reagan also authorized a systematic program of distorting information and intimidating American journalists.

Called "public diplomacy," the project was run by a CIA propaganda veteran, Walter Raymond Jr., who was assigned to the National Security Council staff. The explicit goal of the operation was to manage U.S. "perceptions" of the wars in Central America.

The project's key operatives developed propaganda "themes," selected "hot buttons" to excite the American people, cultivated pliable journalists who would cooperate and bullied reporters who wouldn't go along.

The best-known attacks were directed against New York Times correspondent Raymond Bonner for disclosing Salvadoran army massacres of civilians, including the slaughter of more than 800 men, women and children in El Mozote in December 1981.

But Bonner was not alone. Reagan's operatives pressured scores of reporters and their editors in an ultimately successful campaign to minimize information about these human rights crimes reaching the American people. [For details, see Robert Parry's Lost History.]

The tamed reporters, in turn, gave the administration a far freer hand to pursue its anticommunist operations throughout Central America.

Despite the tens of thousands of civilian deaths and now-corroborated accounts of massacres and genocide, not a single senior military officer in Central America was held accountable for the bloodshed.

The U.S. officials who sponsored and encouraged these war crimes not only escaped any legal judgment, but remained highly respected figures in Washington. Reagan has been honored as few recent presidents have.

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Reagan Burns in Hell

by neo-cons fuck the dead Thursday, Jun. 10, 2004 at 10:18 AM

That rotter is burning in hell alongside Hitler, Mussolini, and there is a seat waiting for Pinochet
and Kissinger.

Fuck Reagan and all you sorry-ass sheep who were
duped by him.

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OneEyedMan

by KPC Thursday, Jun. 10, 2004 at 4:02 PM

...If I were a religious man, I would find comfort in the knowledge that Reagan will spend eternity sucking the cocks of rich men in hell (of which there is an inexhaustive supply)...


...but I am not so I will find simple comfort in the fact that HE IS DEAD!!!!

HAHA!
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Epitaph for Ronnie

by Taxpayer Thursday, Jun. 10, 2004 at 4:56 PM

Death cannot bestow honor on a dishonorable man.
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better dead than red

by better dead than red Thursday, Jun. 10, 2004 at 8:05 PM

better dead than red...
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Better dead than read

by Boob Thursday, Jun. 10, 2004 at 8:12 PM

Yeah, duh, what ever you say skippy.
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laughing at the pomp

by Thanks again, Nader Thursday, Jun. 10, 2004 at 8:20 PM

How many "superior" lefty atheists here have taken time out from looking down their noses at Xtianity and other religions to declare that, "Reagan is burning in Hell."

You're all a bunch of Kerrys, changing what you stand for with each passing minute.

And like Kerry, you don't have a chance in hell of being elected Prez either.



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elected?

by Since when? Thursday, Jun. 10, 2004 at 8:43 PM

Screw you, Bush, Kerry and all the other sick dip sticks.
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sddds

by dsddsds Thursday, Jun. 10, 2004 at 10:48 PM

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fresca

by ROFL! Friday, Jun. 11, 2004 at 12:55 AM

Wonderful!

What a complete and utter testament to how this man so thoroughly is STILL kicking your pathetic leftist asses. You and yours were utterly trounced by him and his MASSIVE and I mean MASSIVE supporters when he was alive and it's all you can muster to try and take advantage of a "few days" before he's buried to "protest". Protest? Protest what? That your entire philosophy of leftist unaccountability and fear of all things American is yet again shown to be silly nonsense? Your very whining and moaning is symbolic of how fruitless and irrelevant you are.

Reagan did what he needed to do to put AMerica at the absolute top of world power and superiority and that kills you.
Guess what? we're still here and aren't going anywhere.

As for Central America...so what? EVOLVE!

All this pain that the OVERWHELMING reverance that Reagan is recieving now in death is simply killing you idiots.

I LOVE IT!
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Yes another scumbag less !!

by killReagan and other fascist pigs!! Friday, Jun. 11, 2004 at 2:55 AM

What a good news, one more of those bastards finally at last dead !!! Unfortunately the Nazi legacy lives on with Bush and Co, the fight continues. Gee the masses are so servile and dumb it's beyond reality, Reagan was a fucking mother neo-nazi shithead that was controlled by all those other fascist pigs that have ruled the Western world since the 1920's !!! I am sick and tired of all those pigs and cold blooded murderers running unaccounted for and in all impunity !!!

They created the Shoah, the genocides all around the world since WW II and the US lead 4th Reich runned by junior nazi W Bush !!! People please wake up, those nazi killers are ruining our world and ''genociding'' the poorest and weakest in the world today !! Stand up and face those bastards before it's too late !!! We must crush and root out those fascists criminals at all costs !!! Their downfall is our only chance to achieve a better and fairer world or else we are doomed !!! By the ways let's Reagan soul go straight to hell and rot between Satan's claws !!! Anyhow he's in company of his buddies Hitler, Himmler,Prescott Sam Bush and other nazi fuckers !!! Those swines have thousands and millions of victims directly and indirectly on their bloody hands !!!
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Re: That ROFL guy

by Mike Friday, Jun. 11, 2004 at 3:41 AM

"As for Central America...so what? EVOLVE! "

You have to feel sorry for unfeeling beasts such as this guy. He or she probably doesn't even know what a nazi s/he is...I wonder if they talked to the victims that were raped...family members with relatives killed...would s/he feel the same? Outraged by the atrocities on 9/11 but not outraged by the atrocities committed under Reagan. Interesting.

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to the two above posters

by LIberals' Massuh Friday, Jun. 11, 2004 at 5:47 AM

They're doing wonderful things with anti-psychotic medications.

After you've started your lifelong prescriptions, read up on the 100 million murdered by communist regimes.

then come back and we'll talk about atrocities.

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Is that all you can do?

by Roger Blume Friday, Jun. 11, 2004 at 7:35 AM

" 100 million dead"
Is repeat the same slogan, without references, to justify the murder incorperated the US has operated for over 50 years? Where did you pick up this piece of Freeper garbage? Lying scum.
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crocodile tears

by yoko homo Friday, Jun. 11, 2004 at 1:12 PM

Whatever this dead man has done has occured, and you cannot erase it. Lies were told. Propaganda was spread. People wait hours on end to view the corpse and cry manufactured tears. They didn't really know the man, but the spectacle moves them. Some rejoice and say 'good riddance'. Whatever 'side' you're on, is a comfort to you. From the right-wing poster who derives pleasure from taunting all 'lefties', to the misguided people who want to protest his burial. Humans have made killing time until death an art form. The lack of civility on both sides sickens me. Everyone wants to use a dead man to further their cause; to prove their point. It is an empty gesture made pregnant with meaning. We are all so fucking scared of death that we go to great lengths to avoid looking it in the face, and looking our brothers and sisters in the face, and acknowleging the fact that whatever occurs, right or wrong, we are all headed into the unknown. When you take your last breath, will it comfort you to know you to know that you did what you thought was right? Good. Whatever gets you through the night. Peace begins in your heart. It is carried over into places like this comment board. If we reach peace, all the better for humanity, but so far, we are lower than the animals we claim to domesticate. Civilization? Is it really? I wish all the best to everyone, however misguided, on this site. Including myself, because what the hell do I know?
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OneEyedMan

by KPC Friday, Jun. 11, 2004 at 2:32 PM

shitpile: "OVERWHELMING reverance that Reagan is recieving now "

...he's dead, people are being polite, the only ones fawning are the "liberal" media and douchebag politicians...

...everybody all over the world knows what a shit Reagan was...they don't need the media reinventing their memories, everybody knows it...


...everybody, except the idiot shitpile Fido republican.
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fresca

by Hey jackass Friday, Jun. 11, 2004 at 11:29 PM

"I wonder if they talked to the victims that were raped...family members with relatives killed...would s/he feel the same? Outraged by the atrocities on 9/11 but not outraged by the atrocities committed under Reagan. Interesting."

You're proving my point perfectly fool.

These "people" in your precious South America are the savages that commit all these atrocities. Don't try and lay the blame on our doorstep.

NO amount of support...ideological, financial or military changes the fact that it's SOUTH AMERICANS that were raping and slaughtering each other.

It is an outrage. It is an outrage that this sort of barbaric behavior is so common in this world and no matter how much these "people" de-evolve fools like you always have the same response...."It's OUR fault...We must have forced them to this stoneage mentality".

Fuck that. Face it, we are NOT all equal. Most of the world is populated with mean nasty breeders who parade around as humans, butchering and slaughtering anythging in their way.


We have absolutely nothing to do with it at the end of the day.
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cpk

by jonk Friday, Jun. 11, 2004 at 11:37 PM

KPC's real brave safely tucked away behind a keyboard.
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yoko homo? You ruined the Plastic Homo Band

by Creflo Dollar Saturday, Jun. 12, 2004 at 2:47 AM

Whatever this dead man has done has occured, and you cannot erase it.

Correct. The Reagan Revolution will never die.

Lies were told. Propaganda was spread.

Name a successful government that has used neither.

People wait hours on end to view the corpse and cry manufactured tears. They didn't really know the man, but the spectacle moves them.

Wow. If you really knew "the hearts and minds of the people" as well as you claim, you too would be a Great Communicator.

Some rejoice and say 'good riddance'. They are the foolish. Whatever 'side' you're on, is a comfort to you. From the right-wing poster who derives pleasure from taunting all 'lefties', to the misguided people who want to protest his burial. Humans have made killing time until death an art form.

I sense your struggle with profundity. And I also yawn at Frasier.

The lack of civility on both sides sickens me.

"If you can't stand the heat, become a college professor."

Everyone wants to use a dead man to further their cause; to prove their point. It is an empty gesture made pregnant with meaning. We are all so fucking scared of death that we go to great lengths to avoid looking it in the face, and looking our brothers and sisters in the face, and acknowleging the fact that whatever occurs, right or wrong, we are all headed into the unknown. When you take your last breath, will it comfort you to know you to know that you did what you thought was right? Good. Whatever gets you through the night. Peace begins in your heart. It is carried over into places like this comment board. If we reach peace, all the better for humanity, but so far, we are lower than the animals we claim to domesticate. Civilization? Is it really? I wish all the best to everyone, however misguided, on this site. Including myself, because what the hell do I know?

I know that good and evil exist. That there is a difference between barbarism and civilized behavior. That war is a necessary evil. That the once-proud party of Thomas Jefferson is now the party of Karl Marx. And that as long as I breathe, the left will have a much harder time turning the US into another third-rate Euro- socialist shithole. Enjoy your flight.

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OneEyedMan

by KPC Saturday, Jun. 12, 2004 at 2:59 PM
KPC

shitpile: "We have absolutely nothing to do with it at the end of the day. NO amount of support...ideological, financial or military changes the fact "

...right...Cuba is being directed by a non-existant worldwide conspiricy, but no matter how much ideological, financial or military support we give the Saddam Husseins of the world, we have absolutely nothing to do with it at the end of the day...

...boy, must be some mighty powerful drugs yer huffin' there, or is it just the musky scent of republican cock that gets you all heady?
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OneEyedMan

by KPC Saturday, Jun. 12, 2004 at 3:02 PM
KPC

jerk: "KPC's real brave safely tucked away behind a keyboard."


...Ooooh...republican threats, whaddaya gonna do, lie to me?

...don't worry, I already know that repulican can't open it's mouth without a cock slidin' in or a lie slidin out!
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hey jackass

by -Morrningstar- Saturday, Jun. 12, 2004 at 5:47 PM

> Most of the world is populated with mean nasty breeders who parade around as humans, butchering and slaughtering anythging in their way.<

Not most of the world. But you certainly fit in the slot even if you can't fulfill your dark desire to cause pain and death with your own hands. There are worms in your head. Enjoy.
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Yes, I'd go along with that analysis

by Barney Saturday, Jun. 12, 2004 at 9:28 PM

"George W Bush is now our greatest living President".

That's undoubtedly true, Clinton was a shambles and Carter was a national disgrace. The current incumbent is doing his job superbly - it's so good to have a President who knows how to be a leader, to make tough decisions when necessary AND WHO STICKS TO HIS PRINCIPLES. These are traits he shares with Ronald reagan.

Reagan was one of the greatest leaders ever, if civilisation survives that long, he will be spoken of thousands of years hence as a supreme strategist who brought the world back form the brink of destrucution.
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brink of "destrucution".

by Spelling police Saturday, Jun. 12, 2004 at 9:47 PM

Too bad no one could save your diseased mind from 'destrucution'.
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Good news.

by Hitler & Mussolini Monday, Jun. 14, 2004 at 4:50 PM

The Gipper has safely arrived here in Hell. Along with his soiled diaper.
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Moses

by Jesus Christ Monday, Jul. 12, 2004 at 8:22 AM

If you think Bush is a living legend then God help you
I would say he is brain dead although he seems to be able to read books to kids upside down
He knew of the WTC disaster while being driven to the school.
Ergo he was an accomplice in the disaster.
If your top dog is like that God Help you no one else can
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Bush in 04

by Bush in 04 Monday, Jul. 12, 2004 at 6:37 PM

Bush in 04...
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If you think Bush is a living legend then God help you
I would say he is brain dead although he seems to be able to read books to kids upside down

---looks like you're the last moron on the block to find out that was a Photoshop.

---But then, anyone who believes socialism works or Clinocchio was a worthwhile president has enough problems.

He knew of the WTC disaster while being driven to the school.

---Jus like FDR knew about Pearl Harbor and Lincoln knew he'd be shot.

Ergo he was an accomplice in the disaster.

---Ergo? Hey everyone, the 'Architect' from "The Matrix" is here!

If your top dog is like that God Help you no one else can

---Adjust your tinfoil hat on YOUR way to school, where you probably teach lesbian eskimo studies at the local JC.
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ha ha

by laughing so hard Monday, Jul. 12, 2004 at 7:11 PM

ha ha...
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Your hero
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by + Monday, Jul. 12, 2004 at 9:02 PM

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