DON'T BRING THEM HOME!!!!
You wanna bring that scum and vermin back here?
Keep them there and let them be butchered like Autumn hogs.

YOUR "kids", maybe; are the ones raping, looting, maiming, torturing, sodomizing and lying for their country: They sure aren't mine!

YOUR "kids" volunteered to join something that exists only to kill and destroy; let 'em rot over there, i hope they never return.

Even the asshole calling itself kb. And if you didn't do everything you could to stop this awful horror, you should, in a just world, be over there to take their place in the heat, hostility and DU dust.

YOUR "kids" are the ones who put the DU dust there.
YOUR "kids" are the willing tools of amerikkkan aggression.
YOUR "kids" are the ones that have killed thousands of civilians.
You hate the war, but love the war-riors?
That's like hating rape but loving the rapists. But i repeat myself.

You people are truly sick.
You have lost all your humanity and derserve what you get.
You have no morality or humanity.
You know all this is happening for real and yet you
can't face your evil core.
Goodbye Miss American Pie.

The photos are fakes. Please see this cached image of iraqbabes.com.

http://www.fleshbot.com/archives/iraq_babes_screenshots.php

The photos are fakes. Please see this cached image of iraqbabes.com.

http://www.fleshbot.com/archives/iraq_babes_screenshots.php

So, would you bet a hundred bucks that everything reported in the 5/3/04 New York Times article "Report on Abuse Faults 2 Officers in Intellligence" is false?

<I>Oh yes, we all supported the regeme by Saddam CIA Hussein. Kill your self asshole and save some air for the rest of us, dick nose. </I>
<p>
---Typical liberal response. You scum that twaddle on about the CIA are the plankton of idiocy: individually you ain't shit, but together you're a glop of dumbass.

---Keep sucking the cock of your marxist puppetmasters, hippie. don't hold your breath waiting for a welfare check.

I was quite disappointed by the so-called Iraq abuse photos, which I linked to from a website whose author warned that the images were only for those with a "strong stomach".

Um, well, assuming I am correctly guessing what it is that all the pixelization censoring is hiding, what I saw is nothing I haven't seen at numerous frat house parties in the USA, where it is called......FUN.

Abuse ? Now feeding people into wood chippers, or to Dobermans, that's abuse. What these picture (maybe - hard to tell because of the prudish Bowdlerization) depict is nothing but rowdiness. Friskiness. Nothing in those pics that consenting adults don't do all the time, all over the world, for pleasure.


GROW UP !

"---Typical liberal response. You scum that twaddle on about the CIA are the plankton of idiocy: individually you ain't shit, but together you're a glop of dumbass.

---Keep sucking the cock of your marxist puppetmasters, hippie. don't hold your breath waiting for a welfare check."

Typical neocon response. Chock full of childish insults.

The bottom three are fake, I recognize one of the girls from porn, though her name escapes me now.
The top few look like they could be real.
You were exspecting a polite, gentle war?

>You were exspecting a polite, gentle war?

How about "a modicrum of decency?" You aren't saying anything about whether prisoners should have rights, here or in Iraq. You have not responded to the question of whether U.S. military personnel should engage in this sort of sadistic/voyeuristic debasement. You are just saying "tough shit, war sucks." Should the American military hold itself to any standard whatsoever? Just so you know, if we didn't, we would be on par with the Nazis.

Here's another question that none of you baiter jackasses have answered: "should we be at all concerned about what these indiscretions are doing to American-Iraqi relations?"

>What is the purpose of this thread?
To create hate towards the returning troops.
Why?
So they can be delt with like trash.

I don't know where you get this. We are not talking about all troops, just the trash grinning for the camera next to the pile of naked and traumatized Iraqis. Being a "troop" does not automatically endow you with perfect judgment or the scruples of Mother Theresa. Also, you may not have noticed that a lot of people here have given credence to the fact that the troops involved were under a lot of strain, and were swept up into a frenzy of group hate. Obviously, it's not the first time in history that this sort of thing has happened, and it won't be the last.

Try listening to the nuances, buddy; you might learn a little tolerance for people who dare to hold members of the US military accountable for their actions.

By the way, the fake photos aren't the same ones used by major news sources, which don't feature as many close-ups. The fakes are dumbing down real events that lots of military personnel have admitted to. This may some people's sense of loyalty to "our troops." Maybe they'll rationalize that the folks who have confessed are part of a Liberal Media Conspiracy, but the rest are still OK.

Sure, the whole fiasco showed that people on IMC can be duped, and that a lot of people surfing the Internet get turned on by uniforms and degradation... but people are duped every day, and most of us knew the second part already. Get over it.

->"What is the purpose of this thread?
To create hate towards the returning troops.
Why?
So they can be delt with like trash. "
(------I don't know where you get this.---------)
*** This was a summation of my analysis on the purpose of the thread
(------------------Try listening to the nuances, buddy; you might learn a little tolerance for people who dare to hold members of the US military accountable for their actions.--------------------)
*** The 'nuances' I sensed are that this thread post was an attempt to smear the troops and to see if the wedge issue of resentment of returning vets would fly. I think the planners are worried about vets when and if they return. Particularly as they will be treated like trash. Sick with DU and stripped of benefits. You get my nuances?

This scum bag was a real trip. Into suffering like Jesus. Three mount bolts gone on that brainpan, believe me.
Up for Sainthood, no doubt.

First I would like to point out that the phrase war is hell is true. It is hell for both sides. In this instance in these particular Photo's the capture's Thought, we will get even with them for what they are doing to us. That doesn't make it right, also that doesn't mean like this website wants to Suggest that all the troops are doing it. this websites focus is to make the troops an embarassment, if it gets them killed in the process they don't give a damn. Just one more reason to bring them home. The purpose for us being over there is a good one, we saw the chance to free them from a brutal dictator who did far worse things to them then rape a few POW's I am sorry, and don't mean to condone the actions. It just makes me angry when people put the troops in jeapordy without knowing the real facts they look at some pictures posted on the Internet and thing My god look what they are doing. Lucius is right in his/her comments. and I would add this just because it is printed on the internet doesn't make it true. and Also some of these people have admitted to wrong doing and are already being punished for it. and for those of you who don't know about military justice. military justice is severe and swift. For Example haiving an affair with a fellow officer can get you 15-20 years in the brigg(Military term for prison) Even in spite of these swift, severe punishments some people will to do wrong, You cannot make someone who wills to do wrong, do right.

You act like everyone who is appalled by these incidents has a sinister agenda of stereotyping American troops. Mostly, what I have heard is people demanding that SPECIFIC perpetrators be held accountable, so that we can create safeguards against this sort of thing happening again. If Americans said "it's OK, the Iraqis are just animals," like some of the baiters have been doing here, this kind of treatment would become the norm, and could even influence protocol in domestic prison.

The troops who did these things set a poor example for all the rest. I concede that some people will use that as an excuse to unfairly stereotype members of the military. This is not the fault of the news media for covering the story; the blame lies with the troops who set a poor example, and the people in the US who are narrow-minded enough to turn it into an "us versus them" issue.

It is a fallacy to assume that everyone who disapproves of these debasing tactics has an agenda of polarizing social consensus. You are generalizing people by saying that they generalize. Many different points of view are represented here, so pick one and tear it apart if you want, but don't try to tell me why I object to someone being held at gunpoint, naked, with a hood over his face.

People who keep regurgitating this "liberal conspiracy" tunnel-vision put a taboo on scrutinizing the personnel who took part in this hate-orgy. Is this your intent? By the way, I am addressing you and other people making such allegations, not conservatives in general.

furthermore:

"War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Power"

live it, love it.

These photos are real!!
Americans!.. it is high time you woke up from your sickening ignorance!!.. Leave Arabs free and tranquille in their homes...get away from their women, children!!
Fuck you Bush.. Fuck you Bush!!

A 'superior humanity' who tortures and rapes, and makes tacky movies promoting it...

Sound like you are trying to justify something, but then again, who says that fascism, sexism, and racism are only the 'Islamacists" province?

This is only a part of the truth!
these photos are real!! and they are only a part of what your ignorant soldiers are doing there...in a land of great civilizations!!
Americans.. Get up from your sickening ignorance! Americans leave the OTHERS in peace..
Americans leave the Others enjoy their strong civilizations..
Americans get away from their women, children..
Fuck you Buch! Fuck you idiot and criminal!

These troops were trained to support the para-military 'contractors' and have apparently picked up some bad habits.
This isn't military intelligence, unless it's an Israeli military. There are regs and chains of command..
I think we have civilian contractor yaewhos beating lucrative 'confessions' out of kidnapped citizens of a another nation we invaded to show results. Got to fill out those time cards. The combats zones are always a slurry of ignorance and hate. Poor role models, well, like fresca.



So kiss off.

WHO talks about savage cultures?
When Arabs were founding their civilizations, America was by far not yet born…
You'd better have a look at Arab history and civilizations before judging them!
Your ignorant comment confirms what Nancy said: Ignorance and a fallacious feeling of superiority have led to these soldiers' savage and animal behaviour, but it never justifies it!
Read about the OTHERS before falling into ridiculous judgements!!
You seem to ignore even the "history" of US blooded massacres against native Americans!! GROW UP!

THESE PHOTOS ARE REAL!
GET UP, IGNORANT!

Its clear by the uniforms that they are not in iraq or afghanistan. Can it happen? Without a doubt, YES! Could she be a prostitue? Yes. Could they be american girls in someone backyard or abandon ranch? Most likely!

"You'd better have a look at Arab history and civilizations before judging them!
"

Spare me all the hysterical whining about the awful racism of calling the Arab world exactly what it is.

Barbaric.

There is simply scant evidence to support any other conclusion.

I know you all can't possibly accept the truth about anything if it points to the idea that all cultures simply are not as civilized as the next.

The very fact that you all get so upset over the simple observation that these kind of abuses of authority go on virtually every day without end in the arab/muslim world shows that your dimwitted anti-American leftist sub-intellect is having a breakdown over the truth as you try and spin some yarn of the "noble civilized arab".

Save your breath. Your views on the subject are canned and are at complete odds with ALL observable facts.

The arab world is simply barbaric and de-evolved.

Why does hearing that simple fact hurt all your feelings so?

try http://www.thememoryhole.org/

This site's opening page has a link to the photos being used in the official investigation. The photos originally posted, however they got into the alt news circuit in the first place, seem to be a sham. Here are the real ones, which are just as bad (if not worse). The unabashed callousness of the people featured is obviously not "acting," which is just as disturbing to me as the degrading treatment of the prisoners.

Who ever started this post did it from a porn site image capture.
then we had some 'ladys' with e mail addresses...
and we have lucius & fresca mixing it up.

sound fimiliar?

Sophie/Nancy:

Take a breath. You only have to say it once. Reposting your message with one more exclamation point doesn't count as saying something new, either.

If you want people to consider a statement credible, try substantiating it with facts and links instead of swears and excessive punctuation. At this point, you are just spamming the thread.
___
JC,

Yes, we already established that liberals were duped. The anti-liberal cheerleading squad can throw an online party for all I care, but I think you missed the point that there are REAL photos, which are equally abhorrent. "Uniform Porn" notwithstanding, the fact that US troops played demeaning, traumatic sex-games with Iraqi prisoners is still on the table and up for discussion. I guess you missed the memo.

______
and lastly… Fresca,

I appreciate the lucidity of your last post--especially your willingness to break from the party-line of "support our troops, even the ones who are assholes and give our troops a bad name." As for your earlier statement on the Arab World, aspects of your argument are sound, but you have left out a big part of the picture: the history of US involvement. These are not nations that "grew up" all on their own, in some void of Arab Civilization. Most countries in the Middle East are still in the wake of being "helped" (or exploited, depending on your perspective) by you-know-who. So, if you're going to talk about a country being barbaric, don't overlook the ways that America has helped it be all that it can be.

I readily admit that most countries in the Middle East suffer more human rights abuses occur in a single week than we see over the course of a year here in the homeland. Believe me, I don't take this for granted. On the other hand, America continues to be scrutinized for our direct involvement in OTHER countries' war crimes over the last forty years or so. It would be redundant to shuffle through the usual list of countries where we have acted as "benefactor" by supporting oppressive regimes, but suffice it to say that there are lots (besides, Cecil has listed at least half of them in the post at http://la.indymedia.org/news/2002/11/22725.php). I will give a quick shout out to Chile, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Guatemala, and Indonesia, though.

As far as the Middle East is concerned, the US has played nations against each other, fed conflicts between rivaling factions within a nation (i.e., Iran), and played countries against the Soviets wherever we could. The Cold War mania, I can understand, but this goes way beyond a war on Communism--not to mention the fact that we have reaped some substantial long-term oil and defense-industry benefits from our interventionist policies. Once upon a time, America got Chilean copper for a good market price, at the cost of Chile's hopes for Democracy. Yet we still tout our name as if we are the most freedom-loving nation on earth and have a sparking humanitarian record. Ironically, most of the world knows this history of interventionism better than the average American, because the mass media downplays and buries the uglier facts. Other countries are well aware that this country has the most extensive record of interventionism since ancient Rome.

Whatever the civilizations of the Middle East may have once been, glorious or not, we are neck-deep in what they have become.

http://www.atrocities.net/
http://www.freewebs.com/para_explorer/index.htm

Torakov:

Try this:

1. Find somebody who doesn't take a hackneyed divisive leftist stance, and who publicly concedes that anyone can wear blinders, regardless of their chosen political label. Use this to say that they cannot be trusted.

2. Single them out with the usual mole-smear, even though they have a) listed many alternative news resources, b) stated many "progressive" points of view, and c) tried to engage other forum-goers with REASON, as opposed to the usual disinfo tactic of inflaming while saying as little as possible.

Here, put it to the test, everyone: take a minute to "read more lucius" and tell me what kind of villain I'm supposed to be. Unless you have some other agenda here, Torakov. Maybe you don't really care whether I come here because I'm trying to make sense of what's going on in the world.

I will continue to be non-separatist in my views; this doesn't make me a centrist, a mole, a republican, or even a liberal, for that matter. I am just someone who has been exposed to a lot of hostility and a lot of people who have their conclusions ready before they get the facts. It's an old story.

Accuse me of whatever you want; I still won't pander to anyone who says "you're nobody if you don't accept your proper label." Maybe you want everyone to be libs and cons, like the Alphas and Betas of Huxley's Brave New World. Well, color me a "savage."

In my better moments, I am a Constitutionalist, an egalitarian, a Socratic dialogian, naturalist, pacifist, and many other things. There, you have a load of labels to work with. Whose club do I get assigned to? Where should I stand in line?

- Lucius the savage

Please tell me more.
I'm all ears...

Bait wherever you please. I made my case, and your one-liner retort confirmed my suspicion: I was just pissing into the wind.

You're lurking in a corner, probably imagining me squirming in discomfort. If you ever get up the cojones to come out and play fair, give me a buzz.

'Yes, we already established that liberals were duped'

Did you type this? Please explain.

Throw up ink if you want. Still waiting.

Very good.
Now read the chapter on infiltration. Again.

from my own notes:
-make absolutely certain that your rhetoric is consistent with the ideals espoused by the target. A false note plays loud. When in doubt, STFU and listen. G2 is never over rated and every hour spent in study pays off-

---and for those of you who don't know about military justice. military justice is severe and swift--

[wow. Good lord, have you even SERVED in the military?]

FROTLFLMAO.

Tell that to the multitude of rapes filed from female members of our service arms..

lurker in corner said:
>'Yes, we already established that liberals were duped'
>Did you type this? Please explain.

From the random house dictionary:

facetious: adj. Not meant to be taken seriously or literally.

If you paid attention, you would have noticed two things about the context of my statement. First, shortly before you accused me of being a spook, I had tried to redirect the thread by posting a link to non-disinfo photos about the events that occurred in the US-run Iraqi prison. Second, I had just commented on a pattern where every time someone tries to address the actual facts of the investigation, one of the baiters comes back with "you liberal morons, these photos are fake." I was being facetious. Do your homework next time.

If you want to see more of my "anti-liberal disinformation," try this link:

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2004/05/109452_comment.php#109834

Torakov:

People who claim to believe in fairness and equality, yet eagerly and carelessly scapegoat those around them, are the unwitting whores of oppression.

I wouldn't be surprised if there were moles out there trying to distract people from the most substantive topics being discussed on this site. A far graver problem, however, is people who get the same job done and don't even realize it.

'I was being facetious.'

chaff and ink. Stumble and bluster. This is your unfacetious comment in context. It reinforces the original pond scum post diverting from issues of troop support back lash.

-Yes, we already established that liberals were duped. The anti-liberal cheerleading squad can throw an online party for all I care, but I think you missed the point that there are REAL photos, which are equally abhorrent.-

nice cry, rooky.

I guess that now, every time I say something that doesn't fall in the center of the Left-wing bell curve, I'll be accused of disinformation (did you notice that most people here--liberal-baiters notwithstanding--are further left than most of the Left in America?). Fair enough; I'll just have to prove it wrong every time. I hear that adversity builds character.

If I didn't know better, I'd say that someone was fucking with me. Someone has been following me through threads, making vague insinuations like "I'm on to you" and then changing handles. Could be the "dance, monkey, dance" reptile from a week ago.

If you change your name every time you post, you can avoid anyone reverse-engineering your 'modus operandi.' Another thing I don't do. Can you "two" give an alias that you use more often? I wouldn't mind learning who else you have been following around.

Those who maliciously stir up conflict often stack the deck against their own interests. See, the conflict was already there, it had just settled; when someone stirs it up, it floats to the surface and people can look at it more closely.

I give you this.

I have had fun getting the monkey to dance. Thank you.

was good for you too?

I can't complain; you're good to have around for the exercise in base, dishonorable, and cowardly tactics. Thanks for the contrast.

they say these are individual acts, yet I was in the states and I know this is the way they live, american people are ignorant and full of empty proud and they never think of other humans as far as they are having good time no matter how much suffer they caused to others like those pooe women, definitely they deserve to die

They were discovered. People acknowledged that the porn shots are fakes, and moved on to the real issue of prisoner abuse, which is still valid. You are just harping, taking a "win" however you can get it.

You are right on here. This is titelation and nothing more. How about those 'civilian contractors' huh? They give good interrogation eh? Rummy was a trip on the questioning by McCain. Now I know why they had a bagdad BarBQue and crispy critter display on the bridge.

Since when has our military started wearing those dark green cammys? And the woman in the photos do not look arabic.....pulease...

I'm hiding this because of the second post. Some of the discussion is good, but, some of it isn't. So, the thread is retired.

Yo dude u don't know what the hell u are tslking about,i'm american and i can tell u arab and middle eastern women are far more superior to the little trailer trash whores we have here in america,i wish i can have one instead of the pale little whores we have here.what the hell is wrong with you.look at the arab channel sometimes jerk.ha..american women.

I'm posing this statement from iraq,
Iraq is a country of 7000 years of history while the USA is onley 300 years old, we feel like there is a real and big consperancy going around us trying to pull down our believes to the low class life of those american soliders who commited this crime and other crimes as well.
I would like to say why don't leave us alone we have bared enough from Saddam whho was supported y the American regiems one after one and now the American soliders in there stincking flesh and dirty bood.
Leave us alone and remember a day will come sooner or later for a pay back. and you will pay in doubles.
I have no hart feeling toards the poor american people who I;m sure have a warm feeling about whats goig on in iraq but I'm talking about the american administration and on top of the list the mother fucker Bosh and his gay Donald duck dickhead,

Cheeers and let the peace prevail.

Fresca
you are a typical American: ignorant, manipulated by your thick-minded mass media, and most of all a ridiculous blooded racist.
you are going nowhere with this ignorance. What is going on now is only the very beginning of the collapse of the american empire...and you will pay for all your crimes..
usa has the worst educational system, the worst social system, and the worst foreign policy with a true idiot at the top of it, and an enslaved ignorant people..
Read more about other cultures, travel, see other people, other cultures, and then you can be `judgemental``
Àmerican governments are the most barbaric ones, check sites about other atrocities inflected upon other people by your "civilized" government, if you feel nothing..consult a psychologist..an advice.

To Sam,
Your message is very touching.
Our best wishes of peace and happiness from Quebec.
Be patient, as abou el kacem echebi said:
ithé achaabu yawmen aradé al hayet fe lé buda an yestejiba al kader...
our best and sincere regards to the People of Baghdad.

No doubt rapes are happening in Iraq.

I spoke to several Vietnam Veterans who saw rape in Vietnam so why not Iraq?

I think the photos are fake. (In the one photo, are those illegal aliens/Mexicans being held at gunpoint? Are some of the observers dead, sleeping while this is going on?!)

You would think the site would be shut down and investigated by the US Congress.

Either way it is sick what people will do for money.

Fresca
you are a typical American: ignorant, manipulated by your thick-minded mass media, and most of all a ridiculous blooded racist.

----you're a racist, sophie, and a sophist. since you hate america, you're also racist against just about every racial group thre is.

you are going nowhere with this ignorance. What is going on now is only the very beginning of the collapse of the american empire...and you will pay for all your crimes..

---all anyone need know about "sophie," the ignoramus who posted this crap, is that she failed to say what country SHE'S from.



usa has the worst educational system, the worst social system, and the worst foreign policy with a true idiot at the top of it, and an enslaved ignorant people..

--right. our educational system is worse than france, where they officially deny the holocaust, and pick any 3 african countries.


Read more about other cultures, travel, see other people, other cultures, and then you can be `judgemental``

----all other cultures are inferior. i judge you a fool and being a fool is sophie's choice.

Àmerican governments are the most barbaric ones, check sites about other atrocities inflected upon other people by your "civilized" government, if you feel nothing..consult a psychologist..an advice.

----your meds have worn off. go get a refill.

Come on get real. yes we done some damge and no we're not perfect nor are you. But we are better then everyone else our wars kill the least non combat personal. We help as fast as we can after wasting our cash to help. And you can't condem everone for 7 people. You basicly with your veiw KD killed 49993+ inocents for 7 guilty ones(yes they should be punshed).
I have many more veiws on the war and us being over there but that does not go here.

i can not imagine that this raped woman is my wife ,mother,sister , this awful but in the same time i can imagine that the fucken american soldiers can do anything even to an innocent not armed woman.

hey noble ass,

the us troops will be disciplined. notice no one cut off these iraqi bitches' heads.

do you think there's some sort of sandnigger cleric chain of command to punish the masked cowards who murdered Nick Berg?

Listen just because saddam raped and tortured people doesn’t mean we should also, you asshole! We went in to the country to free the people not rap them or torture them. Get a grip we are no better than saddam if we let this shit continue... The solders should be put in jail so they can feel what it is like to be raped... lets do what we were sent in to Iraq to do… liberate its people! then lets get out and let them live there lives… for God sake!

We don't know who did this public murder.
Sure came in handy for the Pentagon and Bush/Cheney and it smells like another staged event.

)))) it was so "staged" there's even an actor playing an anti-bush father

)))) Report to Dumbass Sector for your new assignment.

Look at their shoes, soldiers wear boots, and last time I watched the news, our soldiers all have haircuts. these guys in the photo have on " dancing shoes " and they all need haircuts. In my opinion these photos are fake!

Open your eyes, would any true American want this to happen to his Mother, sister any family member......

talk about discpline...
so u sayin' that if i raped your mother or sister, i'll still be a respectable and disciplened person.
i find that a rather interesting theory, so why all this controversy?

u 'dudes' really fell for it huh, thinking these pics are fake? or that's what u want to believe?

better get this through ur thick brain and the rest of those racist cock suckers like you, coz it ain't over yet.

Go fuck urseves, Bitches

This is to funny. BDU worn in the pics is not correct issue in Iraqi. So if the these do happen to be real..lol The men are also out of uniform..lol

It's amazing... some people want to believe so hard that Americans are the aggressors.
I'm not saying rape hasn't happened.. What I will say, uncatagorically, is that the pictures being touted around all of the websites showing women being raped are from a defunct website called iraqibabes.com. You can still view the cached pictures at http://www.fleshbot.com/archives/iraq_babes_screenshots.php

There is always some bad apples in any organization, the U.S. military isn't to be excluded. And I wholeheartedly believe that those that have abused prisoners should be held 100% accountable. HOWEVER, that being said, we here in America don't judge the entire Iraqi population by Saddam and his cronies. Keep in mind that there is a propaganda war on both sides. You have to dig to find the actual truth.

I'll posit one more bit for you - do you think if Saddam had an army as capable as that of the United States behind him that he wouldn't have used it? Yes, America makes mistakes. But we try to learn and move forward. We are the only nation in HISTORY to have a force capable (arguably) of conquering the world, but that chooses not to. Would Saddam have felt that way? Would most world leaders? Yes, Bush is a prick. But he's our prick and we keep him on a short leash.

I can't believe all you jackasses are still going on about these OBVIOUS and PROVEN porn pics. Links to the oriuginal site have even been posted.

YET. so many of the imbeciles on the left want to believe these are true that they jump right over facts...as always.

This is seriously entertaining. Watching mental illness bloom in real time right in front of your eyes.

I cannot believe that so many of you bleeding hearts believed these cheap fantasy porn pics were real. Please. The photos of British troops abusing prisoners have now been shown to be faked by the very newspaper that first printed them. Obviously, there are real photos of humiliation etc. of prisoners that exist and were used in interrogation procedures by military intelligence but just don't be so quick to swallow every bit of anti-US propoganda that filters down into the sewer. One day the vicious torture , rape and execution pictures and video from the dark regime of Saddam will make their way into the public arena and you'll get to see what true horrific pictures look like.

This is not the peace and democracy that U.S.A is shouting and porude of all the time. We prefer to be as we are than follow your democracy. On the other hand, if you have real democracy deliver these soldiers to iraqis to judge there on public

What? Is this like some child's web page? You peole don't even know how to cut someone down without sounding like a 10 ten year old.

Hey, one more time, cheerleaders:

"Fake photos got all over the Internet! Let's harp on it forever! Anti-America conspiracy! Downplay actual photos which exposed a real American conspiracy of abuse and intimidation! But we're not talking about that, now that we have a "great excuse to change the subject" card!

Circular logic. If I keep pointing it out, am I just as guilty of being redundant? Possibly, but here I go again.

I suppose that The Glorious Army of Justifying Everything With the "America" Seal Of Approval can always out-post me. After all, I have to sleep sometime.

The IMC-goers with an unspoken plan of doling out two insults for each thoughtful comment think that they are the REAL winners here. Granted, they abode by a paradigm of self-worth in which external control translates to self-esteem. Hmm, I wonder why they're such fans of the Bush administration? Kindred spirits, perhaps?

how immature " arab women are too ugly" you really are an idiot. what would you know anyway jackass?

Al, rape photos until now are FAKE photos

visit:
http://www..sexinwar.com and see the tour for VERIFY

I hope all what hppened will not lead to tolerance of people and accepting the less worse as usual .We all Iraqis and Americans should really re-assess our attitudes towards each other and should never , or allow others ,break the ethics of humanity .

God but i hope to god this is going to be the down fall of this US hypocrisy. Some human rights. How dare they set loose these perverts and animals of those poor peope! It was bad enough with Saddam in power, but this!
I hope you realise how much the US is hated right now all around the world.

If these pictures are from porn sites why not Fox news ot some others trace the heros and heroins and bring them on TV. this way they will get famous and the whole propaganda thing will clear up. In my viw there are a big reality in these pictures and time will prove that. We sould punish them all and bring them to justice who are responsible.
regards

If these pictures are from porn sites why not Fox news ot some others trace the heros and heroins and bring them on TV. this way they will get famous and the whole propaganda thing will clear up. In my viw there are a big reality in these pictures and time will prove that. We sould punish them all and bring them to justice who are responsible.
regards

YOU SICK PERVERTS! HOW DARE YOU THINK THAT ALL THE WORLD IS FULL OF WHORES AND PIMPS LIKE YOUR COUNTRY IS.
HOW DARE YOU SEND YOUR TRASH TO STINK UP THE WORLD.

GOD BUT YOUR BEING NUKED IS TOO GOOD FOR YOU.

AND DONT YOU DARE DENY UR RESPONSIBILITY. YOU PAY AND ALLOW THE SENDING OF THESE... ANIMALS YOU CALL SOLDIERS.

I DO BELIEVE YOUR DOWN FALL IS VERY NEAR, AND PERSONALLY CANNOT WAIT TO RID THE WORLD OF THIS TRASH

You sick COUNTRperverts! How dare you this the world is full of whores and pimps like you country is!How dare you send out this trash to stick up the world.
God but nuking is almost too good for you.
How dare you deny your responisiblity, try to deny that you children (can't stomach even thinking of them as humans) are doing this when you see evidence of it everywhere, and your own goverment is confessing it to be true!
HOw dare you deny ur responsibility in this. every last one of u is responsible for their being there. you send them and pay for them.
I do believe your DownFall is very near. and personally. I cannot wait to see the world rid of such trash.
And they dare speach of human rights and liberation. Animals

To the "nuke 'em all" fake-sympathy hypocrite:

Where are you from? Apparently, it is a place where they foster values like genocide, nuclear fallout, generations of mutated children, and "an eye for an eye." If you are going to condemn the values of a people (or their government, when it does not fairly represent the society's values), you could at least make a show of having better ones. Whatever place you call home, be it Iraq, Canada, or an FBI office in San Diego that is trying to make it look like IMC attracts rabid Anti-American militants, you are doing a poor job of representing your people.

This is the truth.. the whole truth is even worse..
They are real, us president apologized to more than a milliard of peple (muslims and arabs) only after a serious investigation of the authenticity of the photos
the us defense secretary says that the worse is coming in video tapes.. which highly implies that he knows all about it. But, he reasons that better keep the people ill-informed..as usual.
I have been in 23 countries including Asian and european ones, the anti-amercian feelings are growing in a considerable way..American people will pay for their ignorance, and the american governments will pay for their abuse of power and their terrible barbarism.. That's the way how history works..Americans will pay for it..in doubles.

Saying "Americans will pay for it," at least in the way you framed this, invites more gratuitous violence. You are right to say that the US should be held accountable, and you are right in your observation that many countries are calling for such a reckoning. Why not stick to these points, and frame it in terms of long-standing international standards of justice?

When you 7th century rab-animals start 'apologizing' for your crimes, I'll stop yawning long enough to drop the middle finger I perpetually hold towards murcca.

We know you fucking sheet-heads in the USA are disloyal. BRING BACK INTERNMENT CAMPS.

I look forward to the complete annihilation of every last rab who dares take up arms against the USA.

You better get this straight, koranimals: if every last one of you towelshits vanished tomorrow, the rest of the world would CELEBRATE, not mourn.

Think about it.

The Objective Truth

I find it ironic the philosophical connotations and informal and formal logic fallacies being spoken with fervor that few, including those that regurgitate them, understand. The problem with this situation is simply moral relativism in the face of an objectively immoral act. There is nothing moral about the act of war, to say so is a philosophical negative, anti-logical, and basically ignorant. The USMJC and the Geneva Convention pertain to uniformed military; these people however are terrorists, murderers, and common criminals. I agree with any human capable of sentience that the acts are horrid and absurd, not to mention anti-US principles. The prisoners in the pictures however are from cell block A and cell block B, which means they where caught red-handed partaking in insurgent activity and terrorist activities. These are not people who simply did not have their papers at the local check point and where detained.

I think it is sick the lack of concern the liberals and their Communist News Network have for our troops and the positive advances the military is making in Iraq. I have heard more people complain and be outraged by the actions of these 6 soldiers then I ever heard them profess their gratitude for our soldiers, our heroes, and those that have fallen. The same people that are barking so loud could care less to wait for the actual facts to be out, for the trial to conclude as to what actually happened. The same people crying over these soldiers’ actions are the same people that do not have the inclination to send our troops care packages, nor find the articles and information about the numerous amounts of positives.

I do not hear these people screaming about the over 60,000 Iraqis that now provide security to their fellow citizens. The fact that nearly all of Iraq's 400 courts are functioning fully and in a democratic manner, and the Iraqi judiciary is fully independent. That on Monday, October 6 power generation hit 4,518 megawatts-exceeding the prewar average. All 22 universities and 43 technical institutes and colleges are open, as are nearly all primary and secondary schools. Also on October 1, Coalition forces had rehab-ed over 1,500 schools - 500 more than scheduled. Teachers now earn from 12 to 25 times their former salaries. All 240 hospitals and more than 1200 clinics are open. Pharmaceutical distribution has gone from essentially nothing to 700 tons in May to a current total of 12,000 tons. Our troops have helped administer over 22 million vaccinations to Iraq's children. A Coalition program has cleared over 14,000 kilometers of Iraq's 27,000 kilometers of weed-choked canals which now irrigate tens of thousands of farms. This project has created jobs for more than 100,000 Iraqi men and women. We have restored over three-quarters of prewar telephone services and over two-thirds of the potable water production. How about 95 percent of all prewar bank customers have service and first-time customers are opening accounts daily, and that the central bank is fully independent. Iraq has a single, unified currency for the first time in 15 years. There is no Ministry of Information and there are over 250 newspapers working with free press reign. A nation that had not one single element - legislative, judicial or executive - of a representative government now does. In Baghdad alone, residents have selected 88 advisory councils. Baghdad's first democratic transfer of power in 35 years happened when the city council elected its new chairman. Shia religious festivals that were all but banned aren't. For the first time in 35 years, in Karbala thousands of Shiites celebrate the pilgrimage of the 12th Imam. The Coalition has completed over 13,000 reconstruction projects, large and small, as part of a strategic plan for the reconstruction of Iraq. Yet, little or none of this information has been published by the Press Corps that prides itself on bringing you all the news that's
Important. Iraq under US lead control has come further in six months than Germany did in seven years or Japan did in nine years following WWII. Military deaths from fanatic Nazi's, and Japanese numbered in the thousands and continued for over three years after WWII victory was declared. Now, take into account that our two party congress fought on every aspect of his handling of this country's war and the post-war reconstruction; and yet there are still claims, on a daily basis, on national TV that this conflict has been a failure.

The people that are making these claims we are losing and the war is a loss, are the same people that disgrace our heritage, disgrace our forefathers, and are using this current incident to push their political agendas as opposed to actually care about human civil rights. Anyone with common sense knows these actions are inhumane, however it’s only six soldiers and few contractors and middle ground officers. This is not a reflection of the entire military, citizenry, or politics be it republican or democratic. There is a fundamental intrinsic difference between atrocity and abuse; one can easily deduce that via the recent treatment of Mr. Berg. Comparing this action to that of Nazis, as I have read here, is frankly laughable and blatantly ignorant. One needs a serious history lesson if that is their proposition and I would be willing to discuss it with anyone who makes such a fallacious claim. I see no comparison to a police state, to uber mench ideology and eugenics, fascism, or genocide. To say so is simply moronic and using an emotional ploy to prove ones point instead of facts, logic, and reason.

Anyone that cares to claim otherwise, well the burden of proof is in your court, and I await your retort accordingly. The same type of torture and murder is self evident from every major military battle in history from Spartans and Mongols too Iwo Jima and the Tet offensive. There are at least four major investigations and organizations involved in this inquiry, and the soldiers will be reprimanded accordingly, Get over it. If you people spent half the time you have invested in this worthless endeavor to write our troops, send care packages, and educate yourselves with material such as the Common Sense Papers by Thomas Paine, then I might respect your opinions. If you spent half as much time fighting for "OUR" constitutional rights by standing against the patriot act, standing up for the first, second, and fourth amendments that are being taken away daily, I would respect your opinions. The demoralization of this situation to us at home and our troops overseas is disheartening. The politicization of the situation is even more saddening and sadistic, in my opinion, then what those 6 troops have done to those Iraqi prisoners. Humiliating someone is far removed from burning someone’s body, dragging it through the streets, dancing around it in glee, and them hanging it from a bridge. I think it is a bit rash and ignorant to change your opinion on the entire war effort in Iraq because of the improper behavior of a few troops. Educate yourselves to the truth; the information is there for those that wish to know it. For the rest of you I feel sad to call you Americans or my brethren. People should not confuse mistakes with cowardice. Either you stand up for your convictions or you stand for nothing. Yes, the stakes are very high in this war, as they have been since the beginning of time. But. I submit to you that those who are too afraid of war and the necessary to preserve your way of life are already slaves; you just can’t hear the chains clanking yet. But you will.

get the idea?
Torture is SOP in the western method of repression.
So is the white wash artists bucket brigade.

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature, and has no chance of being free unless made or kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.

Finally the us real objective of intervention in the middle east is revealed.
What the us wants in iraq is OIL and the SECURITY OF ISRAEL.
us pretends to intervene in the name of high values. The truth is completely the opposite: Oil and the security of a Barbaric new nation called Israel are the basics of us intervention in Iraq.
Now, Bush is sucking the assholes of american jews..to be re-elected asking them to kill as many as they want, to establish as many jewish settlements they want.. just give him your money!
Dans quel monde vivons nous?

These Photographs, whether they are Faked or not,what they Portray IS going on in Iraq right now.
The Violence against prisoners and Sexual Crimes against women must Never be tolerated,
The Ones responsible must be brought to court and Punished.
Mans Inhumanity to another.I am Disgusted by this.

I can see why the LA IMC admins don't make a regular practice of deleting posts that have nothing to do with the thread. It would be like a 24-hour video game.

Case in point: the guy who keeps changing handles and throwing down messages like the one above, or the unoriginal "towelheads are stupid" crap. He's either intel and getting paid for this, or a self-styled do-bad chatroom jester who has targeted LA IMC. If the latter, he may get a sense of power from it, but he's really showing everyone how much free time he has available to spam the forum.

We have had a particular person, circle, ann & libby etc etc who has boasted that it hides behind progressive posts and assumes itself too smart for the viewers to discern. The style of your scripts match this dick. I'm just watching you. You have a similar attitude of superority without substance and it plays a false note. Just the same, I will call you on anything that looks like this. Other then that I can give you more rope length to play with. Please stop whining.

"Red and Arky,"

Hey, just tried to "read more" of your thoughts; seems you don't have any. So, that makes you another of the THOUSANDS of one-post wonders who drop in solely to insult, inflame, or accuse someone, changing their handle each time.

Oh, the "Lucius the narc" spin again. I suppose that my stance of being anti-polarization and anti-label makes me a target for this, especially since I hold these standards regardless of how far "right" or "left" someone appears. Well, so be it; I am a devout Bokononist, and avoid granfaloonery whenever I can. Be careful, though--all of these accusations from handle-changers could give the impression that A LOT of people have spontaneously questioned whether I am a fed, when there is no proof to that effect.

The link below will direct you to my brand new signature line.

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2004/05/109452_comment.php#110430

The main effect is that it gets more and more tiresome for me to come here and presume the right to offer my ideas. I'd love more responses like "I wanted to comment on your post about Israeli's history of land-grabs," but what I've been getting lately is "this 'lucius' is a typical intel mole. Know how you can tell? (punchline) He seems TOO progressive!" Then the next day, it's because I'm in cahoots with the resident conservatives. Hell, I don't even claim to be a progressive--among other things, saying this would be against my religion.

LA IMC is nice to visit, but there's quite an Unwelcome Wagon in place. I suppose that the "I'm on to you" posts will continue on a daily basis. I'm honestly flattered that someone thinks I warrant this much attention. One of these days I'll collect all the different messages to this effect and put them up on my web site. Just for the record.

This *is* a hidden thread. THe top article is pink.

For any of you people to believe that these are actual pics of american soliers raping iraqi women, you must be mentally challenged and missing a chromosome or two!!!!
These are not even american uniforms, do not be fooled by these terrorist loving losers who try to fool you with their anti american propaganda.

May 8:
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2004/05/109435_comment.php#109813

May 10:
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2004/05/109435_comment.php#109952

Today:
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2004/05/110001_comment.php#110482

did u see the men being raped in abo ghraib prison on the tv or not? thats the american culture.gay marraige .......and myakhhhhh
damn this americanized world

http://www.sexinwar.com/bac527/4/index.html

FAKE!!!!!!!!

Death to Bush, Death to Powell, Death to Rumsfeld, Death to every American whose dirty and filthy foot landed on IRAQ, The Great Muslim Country, the Lnad of Prophets, of History, of Civilization.

But your conspiracies will never make us wane in our cause, every day a new Muslim is born to be a thorn in your necks. Our QURA'N will last forever, the torch and the arm by which we will kill you. You will never extract ISLAM from our hearts, it is the Eternal Religion.

One Day America will dwindle like every despot empire, look around, where is the Roma Empire, vanished, where is the Persian Empire,

The New Era will be for ISLAM

Signed by a Muslim Egyptian Woman

Fuck Off

You need to realize that we are there helping these people. Some moron releases some pics from a porn site, and the rest of the world wants to string us up??? What the Fuck is wrong with you narrow minded idiots? Suppose we cut all economic help from some of you fuck sticks. Suppose we "look the other way" when you need someone to get your back. I think you'll be sure to remember us then wouldn't you. You mindless fucking sheep. The United States is everyone's big brother that they call on to help take up for them when the kitchen gets too hot for them. One day you'll realize just how far up your own asses your heads really are!!!!

You will never extract ISLAM from our hearts

No need, as we will extract you subhumans from the earth with the nuclear fires of Allah.

COUNT ON IT.

You are completely right to think so.
I converted to Islam 2 years ago,
It is the most universal religion,
and the most human of all,
the best of all
I completely agree that ISLAM, extraordinary as a religion, will linger for ever..will never die depite all the conspiracies to make it sound and seem the opposite of what it really is.
Salam to Islam.

You are completely right to think so.
I converted to Islam 2 years ago,
It is the most universal religion,
and the most human of all,
the best of all
I completely agree that ISLAM, extraordinary as a religion, will linger for ever..will never die depite all the conspiracies to make it sound and seem the opposite of what it really is.
Salam to Islam.

Well, I do not know what to say. the feeling I have got as a lady might be different from yours as a man, and the feeling i have as a muslim lady is surely different from yours. I feel very close to those poor ladies, though more importantly they were all human beings. i say they were, because I wonder if they will be normal people herafter. I noticed that some were saying that these are not thei kids. regarding the faked ones, i should say that the congress would not have kept on going if they were so, so definitely ther have been many things, and do u reallyy think taht it is improbable if they happen? every country, every religion has got good people and bad people and it is very important not to mix things, but there are some americans who follow their president and they are the ones which may do so. Bush thinks that he is the international police, so he says that Iraq has atomic bombs, and when he attacks, he cannot find it, and not to lose face he says at last we got rid o Sadam wheras Shia of Iraq tried to get rid of him some years ago when the father of the same Bush had promised to help them. the promise that he BROKE and lead to death od millions of Shiaa by Sadam. To bing democracy to iraq, it was enough to spritually suport the liberals and NGOs and others. theer was no need to go and cut the two hands of AliAbbas,10 years old. what is the use of freedom, when you have no family, no money, no future and no sense of identity. Bush attacked Afghanestan to arrest Ben Ladan, but hwere is he? Did you here that American soldiers by mistake bombarded a wediing party? these mistakes are historis. they bombed an iranian passenger carrying aeroplane, and said that was a mistake. but they gave a prize to the pilot!!!!!
As I said I strongly belive that every nation has got good and bad people, but honeslty through what i have witnessed in the history, i think it is possible for american soldiers to so that. it is easier than killing people by mistake ,isn't it? why do i think so? look at the president you have choen.

Some arab girls are worth raping

"did u see the men being raped in abo ghraib prison on the tv or not?"

No. And neither has anyone else.

There have simply been no photos or accounts of any rapes, contrary to what you might be yearning for.

As awful as the situation in Abu Griab is, by American standards, it hardly comes close to qualifying as torture by Arab standards.

Face it, as awful as it might be for a muslim man to be under the authority of a woman, it's hardly torture.

lying shitpile: "There have simply been no photos or accounts of any rapes"

..um, according to Tagubu's report, there are both.

...but you know that...

WOW

In reguards to your nonsensical babble and blatant ignorance I must address your statements.

" should say that the congress would not have kept on
going if they were so, so definitely ther have been many things, and do
u reallyy think taht it is improbable if they happen?"


Congress will continue to investigate the situation until all of the facts are out, reguardless of rape or torture. I do not think anything is impossible via war time, rape and murder are inherent in your pagan idolotry of a religion and I find it ironic that your own theological teachings condone this behavior, but some how your moral relativism causes you to point your finger at the US. Muslims have been raping an pilaging for centuries, so spare me the rhetoric. If you are in need of proof or an islamic history lesson, I will be more than happy to provide you with both.

"bush thinks
that he is the international police, so he says that Iraq has atomic
bombs, and when he attacks, he cannot find it,"

The US have never considered itself the "international police", although it may appear that way to your nations considering you are the last ignorant leg of the 13th century. There was a time when the islamic world was the light, the intellectual, philosophical, and artistic hub of the known world. However since the 13th century you have no even had the intellectual or theological capabilities to progress via social evolution to even the most basic standards of human and civil rights. The struggle in American history for civil rights and liberties is intrinsic since the constitution was first put in ink. All it takes is simple inclination on your part to study American history. I assure you the amount of attrocity, unrest, murder, rape, and death delt by this country will never come close to those of the islamic origin , historically.

Also Bush never claimed Saddam had Nuclear weapons. he claimed that he has WMD, which he did unless you are a total moron. Everyone from Clinton to John Kerry has admitted that, in fact we know objectively that he has them because he gased thousands of kurds with them.

"bush attacked Afghanestan to arrest Ben Ladan, but hwere
is he? "


Wrong again, Bush attacked afghan because of the taliban, of which we successfully whipped their ass. Bin Laden would have been a nice catch, I agree, but that was far from the point of the invasion.

"id you here that American soldiers by mistake bombarded a wediing
party? these mistakes are historis."

Yes they did, However these people where firing automatic rifles at the wedding. Why where they firing fully auto AK's?? Gee what an intelligent thing to do, they do realize these bullets have to land at some point, surely even a gnat of your intellect can understand gravity. Secondly these people are not supposed to have firearms in the first place. I agree it is a tragedy, but there is reasoning behind it. They did not just target innocent civilians for bombing, save your red herring fallacies.

I am sick to death of hearing from ignorant islamics.

Check out my article on the "Wedding" massacre. There was no evidence of a wedding at all.

...there is plenty of evidence, all you posted was a denial of the evidence from a military that has been lying since the beginning of this whole fiasco...

...as a matter of fact, there are a lot of "claims" in what you posted, but wanna bet you never see any "evidence" of those claims...

...some idiots will believe anything....apparently you are one of them.

Objective Truth 2

Again the fallacy here is the blatant disregard for objective historical fact, coupled with modern social and theologically empirical evidence. I see a new brain washed coin phrase which reads as follows, “the religion of peace”. Hmmmmm, this is the most absurd claim I have ever seen in my life. I have studied religious and ethical philosophy for 7 years now, and nowhere in my studies have I ever run across the word peace associated with Islam, in fact to do so would be oxymoronic. Since I apparently am the only person that is going to validate any of my statements, and pick up the gauntlet of the burden of proof, here it goes. I am going to avoid revisionist history because that is a fallacy in and of its self, and I will not partake. I am in no way advocating any religion, only social and theological evolution of the islamic world and the western world.

Islam was basically founded by a nomad of sorts in the Arabian desert. After giving up manual labor , he began to study various religious teachings. In 622 AD he was forced to flee from Mecca to Yathrib in the arabian peninsula because of his finatical teachings, including denouncing all other religions as tripe. As a side note this is known as the founding year of Islam, as their calendar begins with 0 AH..

He thirved in Medina, doing all sorts of various debotchery including taking 12 wives, pludering caravans, and denouncing the Jews. Eventually Muhammad was able to gain power, a magistry, and lead a war against Mecca, which he defeated along with the rest of the arabian peninsula. Ironically during the next 10-14 years , and under the thumb of the next two caliphs, the finatics would go on to take Jerusalem, Syria, Egypt, persia, Mesopotamia, and all at the tip of a sword I might add. In the first 20-24 years of Islamic history there was 20-24 years of solid warfare, this is not a coincidence. The continuance of finatical caliphs lead to more and more war and death in North Africa, India, Spain, and had it not been for Martels win during the battle of tours, most of Europe would also be under the thumb of violent religious morons. Things however would soon change for Islamic life, around 1045 AD or so, about 320 years of war ,murder, death, rape, and plundering, Islam made a fatal mistake, they pissed off Constantinople. This lead to a constant battle on the frontlines until about 1090 when Constantinople called for all the Christian world to unite and drive the muslims back past palistine. This is known as the infamous “crusades”, doesn’t sound as infamous as people would like I am afraid. Any historian with knowledge would agree it was necessary to repell the muslim force from taking over Europe, and this war continued on until about 1550 AD. Keep in mind this was also about the time the last muslim hold out in Spain was beaten.
Hence out of about 900 years since the inception of islamic ideology, there was about 600 years of war. The other 300 where merely small battles consisting mostly of border bickering. So actually we now have Islam spreading by the “calling of peace” as well as by practicing terrorism, and by most of all, what is called the Holy Jihad's. The rebirth of Israel helped foster this more than anything, but it was only a catalyst to re-ignite the age old calls for more Holy Jihads. This teaching had never died, nor had there even been a redefinition of the term. It was just conditions and timing that had not previously permitted wide ranging calls for Holy Jihads, nor was their any unifying rallying point. Israel solved all this. It gave Islam a shot in the arm to reignite its' warring traditions.
Islam is now taking over the Philippines, South East Asia, Parts of China, Bordering Russian countries, portions of Africa, all of which are known for its anti-tolerance and terrorism. There is also a theory that countries in Europe like Germany that are incapable of producing enough off spring to support their economy and elderly, have to import annual workers to stabilize the economy. The average Islamic child bearing family was last logged at 3.5. Estimates are that in the next 3-4 generations these countries will be out bred and Islam will be the dominate religious ideology. This people is quite scary given the current geo-political situations in the world. In fact one could deduce logically and easily that any country that is predominantly Islamic is full of terrorism and civil unrest, as it was historically, as it is now, and as it shall be in the future. All one needs to do to brush off these little teeny boppers “I want to be Muslim” idiots, is simply take a deep look at the teachings in the “holy” book of Quran. I am not going to get into semantical and nuance debates, the arbitrary stances of fanatics who will disagree with my “out of context” referencing. Again I am not pushing an agenda here, I urge all of you to investigate these things for yourselves, read the books, make up your own minds, that is far more than Islam will ever allow you. However, history is objective in its most pragmatic form, and I urge you to investigate that portion of the story as well. In fact it is safe to name hundreds of current atrocities brought on by the Islamic world right now, to many to list but the result is human bombs in Israel, massacres in East Timor and Bangladesh, kidnappings and killings in Philippines, slavery and genocide in Sudan, honor Killings in Pakistan and Jordan, torture in Iran, stoning and maiming in Afghanistan and Iran, violence in Algeria, terrorism in Palestine and misery and death in all Islamic countries.

The Muslim is exhorted by their “GOD” to kill, mutilate, molest, rape and steal. This repetitive conditioning of the mind is performed by indoctrinating the Koranic Surahs in every Muslim child at Madarsas (Islamic schools). The Muslim child daily memorizes the Koranic Surahs which exhort him/her to murder, violence, hatred and crime against every Non-Muslim. The Muslim child learns to hate Non-Muslims, before he loses his first tooth. The doctrines that are forced down his throat are so deeply embedded in the child's mind, that he cannot view the world in any other perspective except as a composition of Muslims and Kafirs (Infidel). It is also made clear to the child that ALL Kafirs (Non-Muslims) are evil by their very nature and that it is every Muslim's moral and religious duty to either convert all the Kafirs to Islam by force or Kill each and every one of them. The Qur'an is a psychological manual that incites hatred and violence in the reader. It was specifically designed for this very purpose, so that the Prophet Muhammad could carry on his tradition of Genocide and Terrorism, long after his death. The entire recorded history of Muslims is a testament to this fact. They hope to be blessed by Allah, eat celestial food, drink pure wine, and enjoy the company of divine consorts.

I could sit here literally all day and list verse after verse after damned verse that advocates all of the above in the teachings of the “religion of peace”. Instead I will just post verses and those interested can read for themselves.

Qur'an 17:16-17, Qur'an 8:37, Qur'an 21:11, Qur'an 2:8-10, Qur'an 58:5, Qur'an 44:43-50, Qur'an 2:39, Qur'an 2:89-90, Qur'an 5:33, Qur'an 9:35, Qur'an 8:50, Qur'an 17:46-47, (5:51), (5:10), (9:28), (2:193), (9:23), (3:28), (5:10), (9:28), (2:193), (2:216), (9:111), (9:39), (25:68), (56:54), (47:4), (56:20), (9:73), (56:19), (56:67-71), (8:12), (56:24), (76:19), (8:60), (69:30-37).

Or other hatred stamps as indicated by the huge number of Qur'anic references listed by teacher:
al-Baqarah 2:24,119,161,166,201; Al-Imran:10,12,116,131,151,162,192; an-Nisa' 4:55-56,93,97,114,121,169; al-Ma'idah 5:10,37,72,86; al-An`am 6:27,70,128-129, al-A`raf 7:18,36,38,41,50,179; al-Anfal 8:16,36,50; at-Taubah 9:17,35,49,63,68,73,81,95,109,113; Yunus 10:8,27, Hud 11:16-17,98,106,113,119; ar-Ra`d 13:5,18,35; Ibrahim 14:16,49; al-Hijr 15:43; an-Nahl 16:29,62; bani Isra'il 17:8,18,39,63,97; al-Kahf 18:29,53,100,106; Maryam 19:68,70,86; Ta Ha 20:74, al-Anbiya' 21:39,98; al-Hajj 22:4,9,19-22,51,72; al-Mu'minun 23:103-104; an-Nur 24:57; al-Furqan 25:11-13,34,65; ash-Shu`ara' 26:91,94; an-Naml 27:90; al-Qasas 28:41; al-`Ankabut 29:25,54,68, Luqman 31:21; as-Sajdah 32:13,20; al-Ahzab 33:64,66; Saba' 34:12,42; al-Fatir 35:6,36; Ya Sin 36:63; as-Saffat 37:10,23,55,63,68,163; Sad 38:27,56, Sad 38:59,61,64,85; az-Zumar 39:8,16,19,32,60,71-72; al-Mu'min 40:6-7,41,43,46-47,49,60,72,76, Ha Mim Sajdah 41:19,24,28,40; ash-Shura 42:7; az-Zukhruf 43:74; ad-Dukhan 44:47,56; al-Jathiyah 45:10,34-35; al-Ahqaf 46:20,34; Muhammad 47:12,15; al-Fath 48:6,13, Qaf 50:24; adh-Dhariyat 51:13; at-Tur 52:13-16,18; al-Qamar 54:48; ar-Rahman 55:43; al-Waqi`ah 56:94; al-Hadid 57:15,19; al-Mujadilah 58:8,17; al-Hashr 59:3,17,20, , as-Saff 61:41; at-Taghabun 64:10; at-Tahrim 66:6,9-10; al-Mulk 67:5-10; al-Haqqah 69:31; al-Ma`arij 70:15, Nuh 71:25; al-Jinn 72:15,23; al-Muzammil 73:12-13; al-Mudathir 74:26-31,42; ad-Dahr 76:4; al-Mursalat 77:31; an-Naba' 78:21; an-Nazi`at 79:36,39, at-Takwir 81:12; al-Infitar 82:14; at-Tatfif 83:16; al-Inshiqaq 84:12; al-Buruj 85:10; al-A`la 87:12; al-Ghashiyah 88:4; al-Fajr 89:23; al-Balad 90:20, al-Layl 92:14; al-Bayyinah 98:6; al-Qari`ah 101:9-11; at-Takathur 102:6; al-Humazah 104:6-9; al-Lahab 111:3 .
Islam calls on Muslims to wage war against non-Muslims 2:191, 2:193,4:66, 4:84, 5:33, 8:12, 8:15-18, 8:39, 8:59-60,8:65, 9:2-3, 9:5, 9:14,9:29, 9:39, 9:73, 9:111, 9:123, 25:52, 37:22-23, 47:4-5, 48:29,69:30-37.
Islam encourages the war against the non-Muslims by glorifying it 2:216, 9:41, 49:15, or by promising lust in paradise to the Shaheeds who die in such a war 3:142, 3:157-158, 9:20--21.
It not only denies the women's equal right to their inheritance (Q. 4:11-12), it also regards them as imbeciles and decrees that their witness is not admissible in the court (Q. 2:282).
This means that a woman who is raped cannot accuse her rapist unless she can produce a male witness. Muhammad allowed the Muslims to marry up to four, and gave them a license to sleep with their slave maids and as many captive women as they may have (Q. 4:3). He himself did just that. This is why anytime a Muslim army subdues another nation, they call them kafir and allow themselves to rape their women.
Pakistani soldiers raped up to 250,000 Bangali women in 1971 after they massacred 3,000,000 unarmed civilians when their religious leader decreed that Bangladeshis are unislamic. Might I add this incident alone accounts for more deaths than the crusades and the inquisition put together. This is why the prison guards in the Islamic regime of Iran rape the women and then kill them after calling them apostates and the enemies of Allah.

People, this list goes on and on and on and on and on and on. I could care less how many dances with bunnies Muslims you know, great. However out of the 1.3 billion of them, and the multitude of violent states this religion controls, it is simply not a peaceful religion by any stretch of the imagination. Realistically, historically, factually, objectively, theologically, the truth is everywhere, read it. In the western world the Muslim enjoys the western way of life and is able to practice freedom of religion without persecution. Do you believe this would be the case if the western world was an islamic state and you where a christian, pagan, buddhist, taoist, discordian, atheist, hell even a satanist. I assure you it would not, in fact it is the most intolerant religion in history. Be it sexuality, religiously, gender equality, legalism, or geo-political.
I also feel sorry for those that will claim I am furthering some christian ideology or demonizing islam. Tsk tsk…. They will scream what about the crusades or the inquisition, hahahaha… The inquisition is claimed to have taken about 35,000 lives, and the crusades closer to about a million. Together they do not even make up a hair on the big toe of islam.
Christ people the word assasin is even islamic. *Shakes head*

Down with U.S.A

I only have one retort to the display of ignorance above.

To admire in the great, the vices they would honestly condemn in themselves. This sacrifice of common sense is the certain badge which distinguishes slavery from freedom; for when men yield up the privilege of thinking, the last shadow of liberty quits the horizon. He had more brains than books; more sense than education; more courage than politeness; more strength than polish. He had no veneration for old mistakes — no admiration for ancient lies. . . He saw . . . hypocrisy at the altar, venality on the bench, tyranny on the throne; and with a splendid courage he espoused the cause of the weak against the strong, of the enslaved many against the titled few. Amen"

The original pic of the turd was indicated by an arrow associating it with islam, the gutter religion of slaves and fools.

while enlightening, you're wasting your breath here.

A chance to educate other and speak the truth is never a waste of breath my friend :)

Si vis pacem Para Bellum'

Ok i agree the rape pics shown here are fake BUT the fact that the american infidels are raping iraqi women is all but true.
You have to remind yourself of the society that these BASTARD infidels come from.. a society where sex is as frequent and normal as eating..they can have sex with anyone and anything, Remember rape, peadophiles and other sick bastards originated and helped to breed from these so call freedom westernized societies.
So for them to go to another country and not have sex for more than a week would be very frustrating and thus leads to the conclusion that they are indeed doing such criminal activities.
But do bear in mind that in the end ISLAM will be victorios and all the INFIDELS will die a very painfull death.

The truth :

Given your screen name I find your retort petty and trite. You provide no evidence of your false claim, and as proof of "truth" you provide only circular and inductive logic. I assume by your statements on fornication, that you are uneducated to human sexuality and behaviorism. Fist of all when speaking about the western civilization there is no singular "society". The countries that comprise the western world and ideology are fundamentally different in almost all facets of what one would deem a society to be. Using general blanket sweeping statements is no way to make a stance or epistemological approach, in fact it is down right ignorant. Interestingly enough the "society" of which you condemn so quickly with unproven claims of tripe is also the ideology that has brought about 90% of the advancements of the human race. This burden has been carried successfully by the western world for centuries. I fail to see where the rape of a few women, even if it is true, by a few men equals the fact that the western world is comprised of infidels.

Secondly, rape and pedophilia actually originated in your neck of the woods reaching back to dates in the BC. That statement that Islam will be victorious is even more hilarious and should be chastised accordingly. Islamic people are not even capable of defending themselves or their ideologies. The current conflict in Iraq is a good example. The Iraqi people had decades to end their control by a tyrannical government, and never lifted a finger. The Islamics there had the capability to rally the people, the overthrow the dictatorship, and provide themselves with stability and freedom.

The fact you sit here and proclaim the fall of western civilization is absurd at best, at worst delusional which is a known trait of the Islamic fundamentalist. You come onto some website and shake your finger at the so called rapist, yet your religion murders innocent people like its going out of style. How many innocent children has your religion killed this year in Israel alone. Children who are incapable of fully understanding geopolitics, religion, and death. Children who are eagerly waiting to learn, play with their friends, fit in at school, pass notes to girls, and worried about their upcoming biology test. These are not children who are responsible for your global situation, these are not children that where accidentally killed in war time. These are innocent children and women that are targeted specifically by your people to be murdered.

You sit here with your self righteous rhetoric and scream about the immoral acts of the west. you are foolish if you think this war can be won by insurgency and religious zeal.

The western world would rather nuke the planet then see it in the hands of the quintessence of murder, death, and hatred.

As a final note I assure you , if there is a hell below, I will see you and every other Islamic POS. We will be waiting for your arrival.

It would seem that you are as fundamental as I am but on the opposite side of the court.

Firstly you seem to place the origins of cruel devilish acts like rape and paedophilia to places where Islam had control, firstly where is your proof and secondly if you are referring to the Arab region before Islam was born where in fact such acts did take place, Islam so swiftly got rid of them acts.

The western society which gives only a 3 year prison sentence to paedophiles suggests to me that they are harbouring such acts, where as in the fundamental Islamic regions i.e. pre – Afghanistan such acts where punished severely thus resulted in eliminating such acts from re-occurring. However the western society sees such actions as pure brutality. If that is brutality then you tell me what you would do if a paedophile raped one of you children, would you be happy with a warm prison sentence of 3 years.

You refer to how can Islam be victorious in the end when they cannot fight? But you blur yourself with the vision of fighting as fighting with planes and using large complex powerful artillery which the west has and so adamantly demonstrates like a bully to the rest of the world. But what the west does not have is the will and love to fight to DEATH which the Islamic world has in bucket loads and which will make sure Islam is victorious in the end. With out the technologies the west has they will be weak and with oil running out in a couple of decades the true war will begin, with knives and battle fields.

You also referred to the killing of a few swine Jewish kids which Islam is responsible, but what about the thousands of Palestinian children and women the Israelis have killed, backed by the whole of the western society. What about the land they have stolen from the Palestinians and what about the raping of Arab women in the 70’s.
It seems the whole world is in dept to the Jews just because they claim 6 million when in actual fact the figure is no higher than a million of them where slaughtered. They also have the whole world unable to challenge them and their brutal acts like building nuclear weapons and not getting sanctioned, like the rest of the world.

The Iraqi people had decades to end their control by a tyrannical government, and never lifted a finger<

The fingers they lifted were removed by the CIA and Saddam working in tandom. Kick the victim again, for fun. We Americans love our women held down at gun point. With others watching while we prove our manlyness.
Tied up too is good. What's the problem?

The Truth I ahve provided ample amounts of proof for my claims in the above previous posts, inluding theological scripture from your pagan religion that condones rape. How about the laws concerning Hudood and hadd? The intrinsic lack of egalitarian systems in your religion and your governments is self evident.

Police action and inaction in rape cases in Islamic states have in fact been widely reported as an instrumental element of civil injustice. There is evidence that police and patriarch have deliberately failed to file charges against men accused of rape, often using the threat of converting the rape charge into a zina prosecution against the female complainant to discourage women from reporting.
Hence the existence of "rape rooms" in Iraq, pakistan, and afghanistan.

Also a three year prison sentence is not standard for rape in any form, including statutory. Would I be pleased with a three year sentence if that where the case, no I would not. I would however deal with the situation based on the judiciary system of a democratic society. Civil and human rights do not pertain to a select few, they pertain to all men, something the Islamics have forgotten long ago.

You speak of the US needing technology to fight a war, again you are in dire need of a serious history lesson. I will save the retort for picking up any american history book will confirm the ignorance and fallaciousness of your statements. As far as running out of oil that will not happen in my lifetime or my grand childrens lifetime. The majority of US oil comes from Venezuela and Mexico, not from Arabic countries. The supply the US has created can last decades, do not fool yourself with false power and control based on oil.

As far as americans willing to die to win, you surely speak in jest. The casualties of Americans in the first two world wars was in the hundreds of thousands. The American civil war in the millions, Americans have no problem dying when there ios a just cause. The world considers stoping terrorism and islamic ignorance a just cause, and rightly so. Sorry scooter, Islam will never defeat the entire world, that is the same type of delusion any megalomaniac exudes. I see you are proud at the fact that muslims are willing to die by the "bucket load". How is it you can be proud that people are dying by the bucket load because of ignorance? You also claim the true war will begin in a few decades when the oil runs out hahahahaha..... The western world is capable of alternate sources of energy scooter, but I am interested now. Tell me how is it islam plans on attacking the west with no oil? They going to ride a horse across the atlantic and the pacific lol ........

As far as the palestinians are concerned I find your comments ironic. This is exactly how muslim logic works, you try to pin responsibility for your actons some where else. I ask you about the targeting of innocent women and children, you respond by pointing the finger elsewhere. First of all no one stole the palestinians land, it was under british rule and control. The land was sold via a deal to the UN of which the jewish settlers where given. The fact the jewish people have been persecuted since about 90 bc, of which you religious morons cannot grasp, the UN decided they deserved a home of their own. The palestinians are capable of educating themselves, rellocating themselves, and moving on with life. They have had since the 1940s to do so, however they have done nothing but wage war and murder instead. If you feel sorry for the palestinians try speaking with Syria, Lebanon, Egypt and every other country that will not allow them access. In Syria and Lebanon they are forced to live in camps, unable to build, no access to medical care or education. You freaking islamics don't even take care of each other when the need is dire. If there is someone to blame for the "current" palestinian situation, it is the surrounding arabic countries, not Israel.

As far as factual information you seem to provide none and you provide no proof for any of your claims. There where millions of jews slaughtered, in fact Nazi records show themselves that in Poland alone there where 3 million, however the war aside again they have been persecuted for all of history.

I see no proof of your rape claims, no proof of your oil claims, no proof of your social claims, no proof of your victory claims, and no proof of your Israeli claims.

Again you are found wanton of using inductive and circular logic, attempting to justify your murderous and pagan religion and the fundamental morons that practice it.

This thread has become tiresome and circular, so this will be my last post here.. Hatred, death, murder, religious war, will get human in dire straits. For the Americans here remember, we are fighting for the ideology of natural law and objective freedom. For the Islamics that post here , remember that the world is changing, people do not want to live under tyranny and fundamentalist religious control. There is no such thing as a supreme race or religion, atleast not in the sense of mass extermination of races and cultures.

After a lifetime spent in search of what constitutes greatness in a man, and for words which will inclusively define that which we call “greatness,” I have finally concluded that the following is a perfect definition: Man’s power lies in his ability to demonstrate a principle. Upon the structure of the above definition, this is written to probe as deeply as possible into what makes one man superior or inferior to another. The author believes that one may multiply himself at will by multiplying his power. One cannot multiply one’s power without a greater knowledge of what constitutes power. Let us question this in order that we may multiply ourselves without limit.

Fear of thought and fear of change are the two great anchors which hold civilization back, and hold the individual back. Civilization is about to undergo the greatest change in two thousand years. Men fear it. Maeterlinck says: “At every crossroad on the way that leads to the future, each progressive spirit is opposed by a thousand men appointed to guard the past.”

This imminent change is due to the rapidly evolving greater race of THINKERS which began to people the world about one hundred years ago in preparation for this day. Bertrand Russell says: “Men fear THOUGHT, as they fear nothing else on earth.” Civilization is once more about to redivide and subdivide itself into THINKERS who lead and non-thinker followers.

Periodically civilization thus divides its progeny into the favored and the unfavored, and each person is himself the determining factor in his own classification. This pending re-division and reclassification of the world’s great thinkers and followers is the most stupendous which has ever taken place in the history of man.

The THINKER has always ruled, possessed, owned, commanded and become exalted above the follower, who has always been exploited as the laborer, impoverished, enslaved and oppressed. Gradually, however, the narrowing social and economic gap between the two has lessened the misery of the laborer, but the division between thinker and follower remains. Why? Because the coming new cultural age of greater luxury and higher standards of living than the world has ever known before will demand a greater percentage of thinkers and a lesser percentage of followers.This creating universe of all that is, or ever has been, is the result of balanced thought and action. Thinking alone is not creative thinking. If the Universal Mind were limited to thinking alone, the universe of form and motion would never have been. It would not have been created. It would have been limited to the idea of itself, the concept of itself, without form and void.

When the God-force of creation acts upon the thought-idea of the universe, the God-force demonstrated the principle contained in the divine Idea and the universe comes into being—forever “creating.” The Supreme Ruler of all things can do only two things: THINK and ACT. Out of balanced thought and action, God’s creating universe appears.

Man can also do only two things: THINK and ACT. Out of the more or less balanced thoughts and actions of man his universe of created things appears. These two things the Universal Mind does, man must also do in order to express power.

The dependability of Natural Law grows out of the balance of power between the two creative principles of Nature. The undependability man’s creations grows out of his lack of ability to balance his thinking with his acting. Nature is absolute. Without Natural Law there is no room for unbalance. Every portion of the universal concept must come into being (or form) true to concept. Man’s aspirations and concepts rarely come into being true to concept. His thoughts and actions rarely balance themselves. When any man who conceives a great principle can balance the power of that thought-principle with an equally balanced series of actions to give perfection of form to that principle, he is heralded by all men as a genius.

The success of such a person lies in his relative ability to demonstrate a thought-principle by creating a form for it. The greater a man’s ability to express himself creatively by demonstrating the thought-principles which flow through him, the greater his power. The Universal Creative Force, as evidenced in Natural Law, should be man’s standard, his guide, and his goal.

The nearer man’s approach to the absolute balance between universal creative thought and universal creative action, as expressed by the electric interrelation between space and material form of this electric universe of balanced thought and action, the greater the power of man.

Knowledge of itself is not power, as the proverb states, nor does one’s ability to think great thoughts constitute power, for thinking without action creates nothing. No principle has been demonstrated. The thinker has not demonstrated creative ability until he has acted to bring the form of his idea into being.

Thinking without action images visions which die stillborn. Dreamers and visionaries who do not act to give form to their dreams and visions do not express power. They are impotent even though their inspiration be the mightiest ever conceived in the mind of man. They do not serve the world, even though their inner ecstasy makes them feel as a god.

Action without thinking does not constitute power, and for the same reason. Through action alone nothing is created. Through action alone things created by others are but repeated. Actions expressed upon the foundations of other peoples’ creations are labor. Laborers are followers of leaders who create. In a certain respect they are physical extensions of minds which function in other bodies. As man can do but two things, think and act, so must man be ever classified as thinker or follower/laborer in accordance with each man’s ability to both think and act.

Thinking is done with the mind and actions are performed with the body. The mind of the thinker contacts the inspirational Source of the Universal Mind from which this creating universe knows and owes its being. To the thinker there are no limitations which are not universal.

The mind of the follower/laborer is bound to his body sensing. His limitations are the limitations of objective and material sensing. He is a follower who resists change, for he is trained to repeat things as they are.

The thinker has no fear of anything. He is above fear. The follower fears everything. His objectivity breeds fear of everything in him.

The still center of man is the Kingdom of God, the still Light. And around that still Light is the coil, or a series of coils that we call “man,” his knowing and thinking. There is no expression of power there, whatsoever, other than the power expressed in matter itself, until man knows and thinks. All the power that man has is in his knowing. And all of it is expressed only by his thinking. However, work must be performed in order to express power. But the power that we express is not in the body. The power that we express is in the still fulcrum of God centering every man—the Light which centers everyone and every creating thing. In that still fulcrum of rest is all the power. The action which extends from it is the expression of power, what we call Creation.

This is a thought-wave universe. All matter and masses of matter are the bodies of thought. More simply stated, matter is pure thought. All matter has a meaning which tells of the IDEA it manifests. Thinking is for the purpose of building thought-bodies to symbolize thought-imaginings and creating bodies by thought-wave motion to image those thoughts. Your body is the image of your thinking. Its state of health or strength is a record of your thinking. If you inherited an imperfect body, you can think your knowing in the direction of its perfection.

You can think only that which you know, or imagine, or desire. Likewise, you can create or express or give out only that which you know. Your power lies in true knowledge from the still source within rather than information from the sensed world without. Your ability to express that power in building bodies lies in what knowledge your Consciousness is aware of. Knowledge will build for you a stable life. You can continually transform yourself, and your life condition, only through continually acquiring greater knowledge, then thinking that knowledge into the form of you. What you think, you become.

“Knowledge” is that which you can dynamically and scientifically explain—and then demonstrate. Knowledge is idea—and “balanced thinking” is the power to think idea into balanced effect in the perfect image of the idea which is its cause.

The mold of your life depends upon your ability to emulate the balance of Nature in your thinking. Likewise, the status of world civilization is dependent upon its ability to balance its thinking as gravity balances Nature’s actions with its reactions. All creative action requires much effort given in love in order to build the desired expression. Power lies in successful use of the science of creative thinking.

Now I would assume that you need to go thru and read that again for it is alot to grasp. However it is a basis for you to decide how it is you wish to understand, grasp, and reach motivation to promote an action based on reason and intellect. Once this can be achieved you can begin to determine attributes such as altruism or objectivism ect... So remember kiddies remember that Knighthood is not easy to attain, and only the enlightened and brave can defend and walk the path of righteousness, and a rocky and periless path it is brethren.

"The mind of man a greedy hunter after truth, finding the seem truth but changing, not always one, but always diverse, forsakes the supposed, to find out the assured certainty, and searching everywhere save where it should, meets with all save what it would. Who seeks & finds not, seeks in vain. Who seeks in vain, must if he will find seek again, yet all in vain. …. If then he thrives not, he tries another way. …But though we often chop and change, turn and return, from ward to ward, from fight to fight, in this constant search, yet we never rest in any, and that because we never find the truth, and therefore we never find it, because we never seek it in that weapon where it may be found."

GEORGE SILVER,

PARADOXES OF DEFENSE 1599

May God help us all. God Bless and good luck.

THERE IS MORE PHOTO IN H2KMATRIX.COM I HAVE SEE THEM IWILL TRY TO FIND THE LINK AND POST IT HERE

For the record, all of those supposed Iraqi women abuses are about as fraudulent as one could imagine. I have seen them on other pornsites trying to uncover the truth. Next as others have stated, I don't know of one soldier, marine, sailor, or airman that is in the middle east with a set of woodland camo bdus. I personally don't support the war in Iraq, but stunts like this in the homeland are upsetting, because this is what is used to fuel Islamofacism. That's right I said the unsayable word, Islam with another adjective to describe what is going on now. There is a real war the Pentagon, Cheney, and the CIA don't want many to know about. OIL. I said that as well. Looks like I am not biased to either side and can place the blame on both sides. US forces shouldn't be in the middle east unless asked to go there. We weren't asked to go to Iraq. Now Israel. So many say that we are the puppet of Israel and that we control them. Which is it? How can the puppet control the master? As for myself, I know that there are thousands of servicemembers in the middle east trying to survive, and of those many did not want to go to war or stay in Iraq. Many are from other countries are going through the same episodes. I believe in the freedom of speech more than any other, so here is my final statement. It goes to all people, especially the press. Report the truth, not half of it, part of it, make it up, or none at all. This goes for all you Indy media as well. Nothing is greater than the pen, so do damage where it is needed, not by trying to start another Holy War that Revelations said will come. Peace to all and GOD bless us, we'll need it.

But your racism is real.

These fotos were for a porn site catering to Americans who get off on the idea of invading and raping.

Don't tell me that American soldiers aren't fucked up. Go as the whores at a military base how nice their life has been.

There are sick people on both sides of this war.

yes ture but messengerstalk.com is better haha

VALLA MENTIRA BIEN GORDA, NI ESOS SON SOLDADOS AMERICANOS EN IRAK NI LAS PAVAS ESAS SON IRAKIS.....NO CREES CONFLICTO DONDE NO LO HAY

CONFLICTO SI HAY....AL MARGEN DE ESTAS IMAGENES SEAN CIERTAS O NO!!ES HARTO CONOCIDA LA CRIMINAL POLITICA DE LOS YANKEES

CONFLICTO SI HAY PUESTO QUE ESTA DOCUMENTADO LA AGRESION Y TORTURA POR PARTE DE LAS FUERZS INVASORAS EN IRAK...ESTO AL MARGEN DE SI ESTAS FOTOS SON O NO SON AUNTENTICAS

questioning of these photo's alone makes you a ignorant motherf....er.
it's happening ass....

the pics are very brutal think if this happend to your
sister or mom what will you do
think as a human
peace

First off, these are the wrong uniforms in Iraq, definately not US soldiers, Not only that, there have been a number of women soldiers removed from country with large amounts of cash due to them selling their bodies for money during deployments. Another fact is that these soldiers would not be able in daylight to get to a location private enough to where they wouldnt be seen by other personnel who would have stopped the assault. Even if these pictures are real these are not US soldiers.

but if this gives you something to do, go for it. I think we need some more media people to discredit what the country is trying to get through right now, thanks for all the support, sinerely SGT Iraq Vet

Hey all you who support the WAR !!!

Just picture the reverse .... how easily would you trash these pics if they showed American women being raped by Iraqi soldiers ???

How would you feel ?

No wonde the Iraqis are butchering you on their homelad as savagely as possible ...
you fuckin deserve it

FUCK OFF US.. BITCH NATION WITH STUPID MORON PRESIDENT...
MAY HELL BE WITH U