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by fubar
Wednesday, Apr. 07, 2004 at 5:23 PM
Get out now!
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by pointer
Thursday, Apr. 08, 2004 at 3:34 AM
There's something wrong with the above drawing.
Oh, yeah. I see it now.
The soldier holding the gun should be pointing it at the others telling them if they don't obey without question the Communist Party's commands, they will be summarily executed.
And then he must remind them how they are so much better off without that "freedom" nonsense.
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by Sheepdog
Thursday, Apr. 08, 2004 at 3:41 AM
Oh yes, we sure had a lot of freedom in Vietnam. That's how we won their hearts and minds of these people.
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by ?
Thursday, Apr. 08, 2004 at 4:49 AM
Don't change the subject.
Do you deny that the people of Vietnam are living under an oppressive government? Yes or No.
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by Sheepdog
Thursday, Apr. 08, 2004 at 5:20 AM
and it was backed up with the full might of the US military.
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by ha
Thursday, Apr. 08, 2004 at 5:46 AM
That's right, almost forget, it always either the fault of the CIA or the Jews.
It just takes a couple of posts to remember you live in your own world where if everything were to be done your way there would be peace on earth...........and gumdrops would fall from the sky...........and unicorns would roam the land freely.
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by Sheepdog
Thursday, Apr. 08, 2004 at 5:54 AM
ya want me to post the links that show how Vietnam was the result of the CIA's Allen Dulles and his activities since 1954?
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by bowl wrapper
Thursday, Apr. 08, 2004 at 6:12 AM
The proof's in the pudding. The USA is the most economically prosperous country on the face of God's green Earth and that's what the CIA gets paid to do. What's do terrible about that?
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by Sheepdog
Thursday, Apr. 08, 2004 at 7:17 AM
nothing if you are at the top of the income level while your wealth depends upon the blood of innocents. And you have no conscience or humanity or soul.
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by bowl wrapper
Thursday, Apr. 08, 2004 at 8:26 AM
so anyone who gets ahead at the expense of others can have no sense of conscience, humanity, soul? Well, life on this planet be damned! That dastardly Darwin and his "natural selection"; the survival instinct hath doomed Ye!
The CIA is just the human survival instinct incarnate. Every nation has one in some fashion (See: KGB, Massad, Gendarmes, IDF, MI6, et al.) The CIA just happens to be at the top of the food chain....
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by KPC
Thursday, Apr. 08, 2004 at 12:25 PM
bowl clogger: "so anyone who gets ahead at the expense of others can have no sense of conscience, humanity, soul? Well, life on this planet be damned! That dastardly Darwin and his "natural selection"; the survival instinct hath doomed Ye! "
..."social Darwinism" is not the same as "natural selection", junior...
...so, let me get this straight....is it a conspiricy theory...no, wait....it's human nature...
...shit, fuckin' republicans are spreadin' the lies so thick and heavy that they are starting to contradict themselves....
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by bowl wrapper
Thursday, Apr. 08, 2004 at 1:18 PM
Allow me to spell it out for those slow on the uptake.
The CIA (and other intelligence agencies) stem from greed and selfishness.
Greed and selfishness stem from the human survival instinct.
Without the survival instinct a specie would be weak, and die out as a consequence of natural selection.
No one wrote anything regarding "social Darwinism".
Idiot.
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by Sheepdog
Thursday, Apr. 08, 2004 at 3:03 PM
'Greed is a human survival instinct' Love and community are a human survival instinct. So is the response to injury and fear- anger and hatred. Most of the human race (excluding the above mentioned non humans who live only for material acquisition and who are bereft of a conscience or soul) are engaged in human activities such as nurturing and creativity to better the world for the future generations. When the baser instincts (like rape) become the modus operands of a select group, other humans will respond with collective punishment through organization and mobilization to insure their own survival particularly when said activities endanger not only themselves but the entire planet. We learned to shit in private instead of squatting in full view like monkeys and I call that social evolution. What you have in your vision is de-evolution. And is contra survival. Remember the French revolution and what happened to the 'enlightened' elite. You have chosen your side. I'll throw in with the majority..
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by ralph
Thursday, Apr. 08, 2004 at 4:56 PM
>>ya want me to post the links that show how Vietnam was the result of the CIA's Allen Dulles and his activities since 1954?<<
Nah! It would upset your visions of gum drops falling from the sky and the unicorns.
I'm confident you have links to show how the CIA helped Rome defeat the Gauls. You likely have links showing how America was to blame for the rise of Alexander The Great.
Whatever it takes to Blame America First.
You're not a stable individual.
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by Sheepdog
Thursday, Apr. 08, 2004 at 5:02 PM
After all, gumdrop, I wanted to anyway.
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by Sheepdog
Thursday, Apr. 08, 2004 at 6:00 PM
How the CIA started the Vietnam war. Or how to put a unicorn horn where it will do the most good. After training Ho Chi Min to fight the Japanese during WWII the OSS, which was a precursor to the CIA promptly abandoned the Nation of Vietnam to the colonial predations of the French and their goon squad, the foreign legion. And the French set up guillotines over the provinces of this very old culture in order to enforce the exploitation of its resources. Typical colonialism. There was a problem, however and it was the fact that these people who existed as a culture when the pyramids were being built, weren't going for it. They had fought the Chinese the Japanese and now they continued with this latest invader. After all, it was their land before the French had Romans teach them to write. These are tough people, believe me. Being of smaller stature physically didn't mean that they were weak. Using the strategy of tension (controlled terrorism) Allen Dules ( the original CIA asshole) induced over a million Catholic North Vietnamese to migrate into the south to displace the rightful inhabitants while insuring that these new settlers were given land and official leadership status using a provision of the Geneva Accords that allowed the mass transfer of populations for reasons of reparation under refuge status. This caused massive problems for the original inhabitants along with resentment. The farmers in the south became the Vietcong when they resisted the displacement. For a detailed analysis, you might read Col. Flecter Proudy's book, JFK. ... During a meeting of the President's Special Committee on Indochina, January 20, 1954, the CIA was authorized to include an 'unconventional warfare officer, specifically Colonel Lansdale, in a group of five others being sent to Vietnam to create the Saigon Military Mission. This unit was in place by July 1954 in time to support the new president Ngo Dinh Diem, of the new country South Vietnam. In May 1954, Ho Chi Minh's army defeated the French forces at Dien Bien Phu.- - Under the Control of the CIA's Saigon Military Mission, they had been transported by U. S . Navy transport ships and by the CIA's Civil Air Transport airline from the north to the Saigon region in the south. In an effort to account for the success of its work with these "refugees" the SMM declared its tactics to include "psychological warfare." Today, we would more accurately call it terrorism." http://www.logicsouth.com/~lcoble/conspire/preface2.txt
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by bowl wrapper
Friday, Apr. 09, 2004 at 2:22 AM
What does any of the above mentioned smoggish haze of bulldung have to do with the fact that the Vietnamese people of today are living under a repressive government? Between the time you mentioned (when the CIA supposedly established this thuggery) and today, we fought a war against them. Maybe you heard about it. And this nonesense: "Love and community are a human survival instinct. " is pure hogwash. Love doesn't exist when you haven't eaten in a month and your belly is growling. And community doesn't exist when the town hasn't eaten in a month, and a stray cattle wanders in. Love and community only exist after basic needs are met, food, water, shelter etc. But greed and selfishness are constant. And people take shits in private because its rude to do otherwise. But they wouldn't worry so much about that either if their belly was growling. It's also interesting to note how sheepskin fails to acknowlege that EVERY NATION ON EARTH has an intelligence agency of sort. Here's a good place to start: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_agencies It's a global conspiracy, ain't it sheepster?
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by Sheepdog
Friday, Apr. 09, 2004 at 2:34 AM
...there are reasons starvation is a wold problem. -And with jerks like you running loose in the world there is only one solution. You seem to be doing our job for us, showing your true nature.
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by larz
Friday, Apr. 09, 2004 at 2:50 AM
>What does any of the above mentioned smoggish haze of bulldung have to do with the fact that the Vietnamese people of today are living under a repressive government?
It doesn't. But sleepydung got caught with his pants down............... again. I clearly pointed out that the drawing is innacurate, that the soldier should be pointing the gun at the other three and telling them to obey the Communist Party and to forget about ever being free, sheep knows it's the truth but can't admit it, so he's got to redirect the conversation instead of dealing with what I said. He's being doing the same thing for at least 3 years, why should he change now?
Ask him about his links showing how the CIA was responsible for the rise of Genghis Khan. Really. He's got links implicating the USA before it even existed.
He's unstable.
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by Sheepdog
Friday, Apr. 09, 2004 at 2:59 AM
wah wah I wont play in your sandbox according to your rules....
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by bowl wrapper
Friday, Apr. 09, 2004 at 3:38 AM
You don't seem to want to play by the rules of reality. Apparently you have your own code of phantasmagoric rules that function through.
And yes, there are reasons that starvation is a problem. But, no, it's not my fault. It has to do with too many mouths to feed and not enough food to go around. Not to mention lazy-assed whiners who sit and snivel about it all day on the internet, instead of going out organizing agricultural programs, farming cattle, and devising sustainable forms of food production. You see Sheepster, you're far more the problem than I ............
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by Sheepdog
Friday, Apr. 09, 2004 at 3:57 AM
I take care of myself and my kin. It's your IMF, Wold bank and your terrorists (CIA) who have brought starvation into this world where food is abundant but in restricted distribution as if you give a crap about the starving results of 'structural adjustments'. All to fatten the accounts of an elite group of scum who deem it their business to direct economic policy. I find it sadly amusing that you defend the institutions that are responsible for the grief you now put upon my doorstep. Only three years? I think not. I've resisted ideologues of your ilk most of my life as soon as I discovered what a bunch of two faced greedy murderous fucks you are. It's the same blame the victims crap you are now espousing. Please do us all a favor and dround in your own evil piss.
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by bowl wrapper
Friday, Apr. 09, 2004 at 4:28 AM
Since when did the imf and the world bank do anything conspiratorial, other than providing currency and economic stability to prevent the garden variety mafiosos from taking advantage of the helpless? Mankind has been in a continuous state of chaos since the dawn of civilization, and those agencies provide order. Take them away and you’re left with a raging bunch of nutso wackos and deviants trying to run the show, and that’s unacceptable. I don’t know nor much care how long you’ve been resisting idealogogues. Do you have a solution to these things you spend so much time griping about? Or is that your solution itself?
And I aint the toilet bowl. I'm just another turd. At least I know it though.
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by Sheepdog
Friday, Apr. 09, 2004 at 4:40 AM
You might read them as I have offered solutions. Besides, I can't speak for everyone anyway. This is the difference between a democracy and your brand of facism.
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by bowl wrapper
Friday, Apr. 09, 2004 at 4:54 AM
I ain't been following your posts but for a couple of days. You've confused me with someone else evidently.
I don't pretend to speak for anyone but myself. Guess I don't get included in your brand of "democracy" eh? Typical really.
You've got the right to your opinions in my world. But I reserve the right to laugh at them and call you a whacko.
Let me ask you this sheepdog: Is there any specific group in your worldview that isn't to blame for some haenous attrocities? Don't come back with some unambiguous non-structured group that no one can put a finger on either (like the "poor", the "suffering" or the "huddled masses").
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by Sheepdog
Friday, Apr. 09, 2004 at 5:01 AM
that's kinda like the wrong focus. I would prefer to concentrate on the cancer rather than the normal tissues of an ailing person.
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by bowl wrapper
Friday, Apr. 09, 2004 at 5:05 AM
In your world, everyone's to blame. Everyone who has anything to do with the system, that is.
Which is pretty much everyone.
So then, I take it from that, that you consider yourself guilty too?
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by Sheepdog
Friday, Apr. 09, 2004 at 5:14 AM
sure we share a collective guilt. Through inaction or stupidity. There are some who direct policies and there are the victims who are trying to live their lives without grinding others into the dust. As a for instance the Nation of Vietnam was the rice bowl of asia before the CIA and their military arm the pentagon reduced it to a cratered region who now has to import most of its food which our subsidized agri-business is glad to provide at a tidy profit.
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by bowl wrapper
Friday, Apr. 09, 2004 at 5:25 AM
First Vietnam was an Asian paradise. A veritable Garden of Eden. A plentiful rice-grower's Shangri-la.
Then the nasty CIA came along and put the commies in charge.
Then the nasty American troops came along to battle the CIA's commie henchmen, invariable cratering the Cornucopia of rice into oblivion.
Now the IMF and World Bank sell the rice back to the disparaged commies at a healthy markup, simply to ad insult to injury?
Do you realize how insane you sound?
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by Sheepdog
Friday, Apr. 09, 2004 at 5:28 AM
"First Vietnam was an Asian paradise. A veritable Garden of Eden. A plentiful rice-grower's Shangri-la.
Then the nasty CIA came along and put the commies in charge.
Then the nasty American troops came along to battle the CIA's commie henchmen, invariable cratering the Cornucopia of rice into oblivion.
Now the IMF and World Bank sell the rice back to the disparaged commies at a healthy markup, simply to ad insult to injury?
Do you realize how insane you sound?" ...................... DoYOU know how banal you sound?
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by KPC
Friday, Apr. 09, 2004 at 5:33 AM
bowl clogger: "Love doesn't exist when you haven't eaten in a month and your belly is growling."
umm...yes it does....
....unless you were raised in the woods by wolves...
...oh, wait, even wolves take care of their own....maybe love just doesn't exist in your world...period.
...it always makes me laugh to see some new wet behind the ear republican who hasn't done a fuckin' thing in their pointless little life spewin' shit that just shows their boundless ignorance and shallow experience....
Why don't you spout some more shit you know jack about....and don't forget the punksmug attitude...kinda works like a rimshot...
...whadda fuckin' clown...
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by bowl wrapper
Friday, Apr. 09, 2004 at 5:37 AM
So I guess you get told you're insane often? Well, like they say on that Trident sugar-free gum commercial: 4 out of 5 people surveyed can't be wrong.
Come on sheepster, humor me. I'm bored. I so enjoy poking a stick through the bars. Show me exactly how cuckoo you can be. Seriously. Hail Bop......
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by Sheepdog
Friday, Apr. 09, 2004 at 5:41 AM
I think you have made enough of a fool of yourself without further help. I've got a job to do but I will return to tease you monkeys later.
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by bowl wrapper
Friday, Apr. 09, 2004 at 5:49 AM
"As the Stomach Turns"
Tune in next time, dear view, and hear Sheepdog exclaim,
"THE RISE OF COMMUNIST RUSSIA WAS A CIA CONSPIRACY! STALIN WAS ON WASHINGTON'S PAYROLL! AND THOSE 100 MILLION MASSACRED AND STARVED? THAT WAS THE CIA. AND DIABETES? A CIA CONSPIRACY! THE HUMAN PAPILOMA VIRUS? CIA DID IT! IN FACT, MOST STDS WERE CREATED IN A SECRET CIA BIO-LAB OUT IN AREA 51......"
Same time. Same channel........
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by Dona Wangler
Friday, Apr. 09, 2004 at 5:54 AM
Good grief, you pushed him over the edge. Call the nurse.
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by KPC
Friday, Apr. 09, 2004 at 10:04 AM
...this is too good!
...somebody drop another nickel in....make da monkey go bonkers.....
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by I agree
Friday, Apr. 09, 2004 at 10:22 AM
Let's drive Sheepdung right over the edge! heh heh heh!!!!!!
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by KPC
Friday, Apr. 09, 2004 at 11:21 AM
...YOU da monkey, clogger....
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by Yep.
Friday, Apr. 09, 2004 at 11:28 AM
You tell him KPC! Goatfart is da monkey!
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by Godfart
Friday, Apr. 09, 2004 at 12:06 PM
take not my name in vain
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by bowl wrapper
Friday, Apr. 09, 2004 at 1:41 PM
"...YOU da monkey, clogger...."
Why, yes I am.
I'm also fresca.
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