January 27, 2004. A short circuit in one of the new meters installed to detect illegal connections, known as "gatos", in Sao Cristovao, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. According to firemen such incidents involving those devices are frequent. Repairmen from Light Serviços de Eletricidade, a privatized energy distribution company, took about 2 hours to attend to emergency call.

That's what privatization of energy looks like.

That's what privatization of energy looks like.

That's what privatization of energy looks like.

That's what privatization of energy looks like.

That's what privatization of energy looks like.

> However, in the good ol' US of A, we gots the National Electric Code. You follow that, you'll be safe. Guaranteed.

Well I hate to agree but jerry's correct - before I saw his comment I was about to explain that if the power system there had *proper circuit breakers and fuses* that couldn't have happened.

However jerry is NOT the expert he pretends to be as you are not guaranteed to be safe anywhere dangerous high voltage is involved. We DO have transformers explode here, fires started and people electrocuted too - just not quite so easyly or commonly.

It's important to understand that the power itself is dangerous - that generating it at central locations and distributing it is also dangerous (compared to generating it on-site as needed)

That the difference between our power and South America's power is very small, that our grid has problems as well..

Jerry is attempting to split hairs when he knows not what he's talking about... His motivation being obvious - to discredit Latuff by any means possible. For him it's not about making or keeping the news accurate, it's about a personal grudge.

That said, I think Latuff's pictures are great and point out the problems with central generation and distribution everywhere.

...was my comment deleted?

Not hidden; deleted?

All I said was something to the effect that:

The US has the National Electrical Code. If you follow it, or something similar, you'll be safe. Hex is correct; people are killed and property damaged occasionally. But not very often. The electical industry takes great pains to ensure that safe practices are carried out.

I then suggested that Latuff spend less time bemoaning the privatization of energy in Brazil and more time wondering if there is a similar Barzilian code, and why it isn't enforced more stringently.

Then I asked how many people a year are electrocuted by stting up gato hookups.

Hex: "However jerry is NOT the expert he pretends to be as you are not guaranteed to be safe anywhere dangerous high voltage is involved."

Nice gratuitous slam, and totally wrong. I dunno about Jerry, but I've worked with high voltage...4160 three-phase, making connections hot, working on live generating equipment.

If you follow safe practices, you'll be safe. Far safer than some poor schmuck having to work on that spaghetti in Brazil.

nonanarchist

"I've worked with HV" is supposed to make being racist okay ?

First of all you DON'T know what you're talking about as *I* stated the correct answer, it's not people stealing power which was either the problem OR the fault. The problem is exactly what Latuff showed us - the electric company's own practices combined with LACK of safety equipment (a fuse or circuit breaker was clearly called for - anytime you have a high-current line feeding a tap, whenever the load capacity of the tap cannot safely cause a trip upstream, the tap it'self MUST have current limiting to prevent exactly what Latuff took pictures of - a continued short and the problems (fire, destruction of lead wires) it produces.

That was the part of your statement I agreed with.

Where we part company is in your attempts to pin the blame on persons unknown in a racist mindset using said electrical fault as an excuse - in order to attempt to discredit Latuff.

and this represents a perfect example of why racism and NEWSGATHERING don't mix, and why people such as yourself don't belong here.

when your only concern is personal attack, racist spam (as old sckool likes to put it) rather than TRUTH AND ACCURACY your posts SHOULD be hidden.

I can look at lines and tell you what they are - you can see the 240 - 3-phase with ground lines below the main 2,400 lines are the ones that had the fault, and a metering device in the box below's tap lacked a fuse or circuit breaker (they prob figured it didn't need one as it's well insulated and unlikely to short out)

We should consider the possibility that someone *intentionally* caused it to happen as it IS unlikely to go into a total "meltdown" on it's own like that.

But in any case the point remains that they failed to use current/surge limiting. When it started to short out there should have been only an instant of sparking then the fuse or breaker would have prevented any further damage...

You can also see the 3-phase 440 transformers across the street where the power was coming from, the proper action of pulling the switch/fuse was being done (by the ladder up the pole whereas here they usually use a handle that extends down near the ground so it can be more easyly and quickly reached)

They ran a non current limited tap down to where the phone lines are, which is in violation of the agreement the phone company has for the space on the pole they lease from the power company, this is to prevent any dangerous AC power from getting into the phone trunk and doing anything from causing major damage to the central office/loop concentrator or especially traveling to customers drops and starting fires in peoples homes..

But you were too busy being your racist spamming self out for a cheap shot at Latuff to concern with the details you can clearly see just by looking at the pictures presented, rather than ATTACKING THE MESSAGER.

Sorry for the poor humor 87)

"But you were too busy being your racist spamming self out for a cheap shot at Latuff "

How in God's name did you come to the idea that nonanarchist was being "racist" by commenting on Latuff's pictures?

Unless you're simply hellbent on attcking him in an almost non-sequitor way.

But maybe I should let you know that I saw his original post before it was yanked (I read it and was replying to it - by the time I posted my reply it was gone leaving only the non-racist part I quoted left of it) I wished that I had saved it because I figured he would whine and/or present a *watered down* version of it - which he did

I didn't quote the racist comments because
1.) they were self-evident
2.) they are not news or newsworthy

I only quoted the technical aspect of his comment as it's the only part that matters anyway..

The racist hateful comments towards Sherman were yanked too -

Are you going to actually ask how THEY were racist or more precisely *personal attacks* too ?

I read the post as well and there was nothing even remotely racist about it. Nothing.

Unless of course it is now racist to even comment on one of the exalted latuffs postings simply because he is Brazilian.

racist to *negatively* comment on latuffs postings simply it's Brazil in question while making un-fair and in-accurate comments that the US is better when it's not - don't you recall the whole new england part of OUR country losing power (and parts of Canada) this past summer ? (the biggest blackout in history)

to make the subject of nationality the basis of the negative comments while ignoring the FACTS again show your true intent

And please tell me you saw the *original comment* in the very short time between him posting it and it being yanked as I did

Otherwise you *know not of which you speak* - as usual

comments in the past such as

"that shit hole you live in", etc...

yes clearly are racist hate speech

Jesus hex..get up on the wrong side of the bed today?

A) I absolutely read the post..after all, you yourself accuse me of being on here ALL the time so why wouldn't I have caught it.

B) You AGREED with him you jackass. That was your first statement in you typically arrogant post.

c) There was NOTHING racist about the post and furthermore, you have no idea why it was deleted in the first place. If it was so racist, why didn't you comment on that. You didn't. You said it was a chance to attack latuff.

Face it. You're wrong.

"And please tell me you saw the *original comment* in the very short time between him posting it and it being yanked as I did

Otherwise you *know not of which you speak* - as usual
"

By the way Sherlock, seeing as how you have gigs and gigs of data proving that nonanarchist and myself are in fact one person named jerry, how is it you don't believe I read my own post.

Trapped again you fruitcake.

Gotcha!

Quit dialoguing with that hex anon whacko! His comments have a life-sucking effect that the body snatchers would be envious of. Reading his posts are far worst for your digestive tract than drinking a gallon of Santo Dominican tap water...

For Christ's sake hex! Give us a coutesy flush over here! Ya killin' us with that scent! He's about to crack the equation for the Stench-Time Continuum!!!!!!

FLUSH!

> I absolutely read the post

naturally - you're a tag-team, you keep proving this over & over



> You AGREED with him

I agreed with *one aspect of a technical issue* - NOT the country but the practice and eclipsed it with the point that *electricity is dangerous everywhere* - which YOU agreed with by admitting people and equipment here are harmed by it as well.

Splitting hairs and word games



> If it was so racist, why didn't you comment on that. You didn't.



I already explained why - because that's NOT NEWSWORTHY




> You said it was a chance to attack latuff.


Exactly - a racist attack on Latuff AND *the country he lives in*

more word games, trying to wiggle and browbeat your way out of it as usual


It's interesting that you track "his" posts so closely, that you defend "him" and take such a personal interest in "his" racist spam when - almost as if you ARE him.


And IP's from boards that show them confirm this as well - musical handles from the same IP, plus the stated tactic on LGF of doing exactly this - switching handles around intentionally to confuse and create the impression it's not just one retired military LGF troll..

Ned and jerry are the only two names that consistanly come up in traces

So when jerry posts as say - "fresca" (which is most of the time) then when a person responds and says "fresca" is jerry (based on evidence) then ned posts as "fresca" so he can technically be correct in saying it's not jerry and the spam get's the personality of an actual different person for the purpose of evading the accusation.

Jerry also posts as "nonbrainious" much of the time which is ned's usual handle, then they reverse - anytime the accusation comes up that jerry's posting as multible handles ned then posts as "nonbrainious" *specifically to refute the accusation*

IP logs showed this going on except they were various kobe handles at the time, but the structure of the game remains the same, you both simply add more new handles as you go

ann
jennifer
max
xam
barney


you produce all the new personas you want - these handles appear out of nowhere exactly agreeing with you using the same keywords, keyphrases, terminology, style, attitudes then just as quickly disappear usually *never to be seen again*

What gives this game away is the lack of creativeness in creating your personas - they are like perfect clones AND they spend thier time exactly the same way you do, they *never fail to defend or stick up for you* (real persons would at least *occasionally* disagree or have some diversity in personality, word usage, etc) But without exception they always say *exactly the same things in the same way AT the same time*

You do a piss-poor job of playing this game and the only reason I havent pinned you down on here is because I don't have the actual IP logs before me HERE.

I do however have logs from other boards (DeVoy does as well and he reached the same conclusion, so has Old Sckool) This IMC knows somethings fishy too as they gave you the MP5 warning along with banning "bush admirer" and so on..

You are specifically evading this by changing your IP faster than they care to keep up with (by resetting your DSL connection or using proxies)

You wouldn't go to the trouble to do this if you didn't have something to hide.

And anytime we hear the "nonbrainious" persona saying it's not jerry with a different personality/style profile that means it's NED

Otherwise it's tag-teaming perfect clone games


In any case a troll is a troll and both jerry and ned have been firmly pinned down as such.

Who's using who's handle at any one post doesn't matter, since you use eachother's handles interchangibly anyway.

A person would think that wasn't so likely if they hadn't seen it happening as shown by IP and hadn't seen doing it being discussed as a tactic on LGF


I've posted all the IP hits along with the various handles - it can be seen happening dozens of times out of the 2,000 posts I checked - and because of those IP's there's no way you can deny that - the hits were aready posted.

The only claim you can make is that you're *no longer doing it* and only IMC can confirm it now since they are the only ones with the IP logs to see presently - on this newswire.

fresca-deny-at-all-costs games do nothing to comfort IMC or it's patrons of any claim to innocence you do make - you can't go around constantly lying then expect the targets of your lies to believe you

The only way you could clear it up is to IDENTIFY yourself, but being the retired couragous military "man" you are you're not about to do that either

Better to stick with the gameplan you discussed on LGF and just keep people guessing - after all - it IS just you, jerry lawson anyway so there's nothing for you to offer.

at best ned plays too

so the troll problem here and on a few other IMC's is just 1 or at best 2 "former kobe members" now scared too shitless to even use THOSE handles anymore and ned's business is too important to him - this is why you've taken over and ned only occasionaly, and never as kobe posts anymore

Ned is quite a bit smarter than you are and it shows when he posts - no matter what handle he's using at the moment. That's something else that gives you away

LOl.

I can't help it.

He's nuts.

And by the way, there is still nothing remotely racist about pointing out the dangers of a countries lack of safety codes.

PCIC-2001-30 - THE GLOBAL PROGRESS TOWARDS ONE STANDARD, ONE PRODUCT, ONE MARK FOR
EXPLOSION PROTECTED APPARATUS - THE IECEx SCHEME
Authors: Paul Kelly Underwriters Laboratories Inc. (USA)
Michel Brenon Laboratorie Central des Industries Electriques (France)
Eric Giusti Laboratorie Central des Industries Electriques (France)
Giovanni Hummel UL do Brasil Ltda. (Brazil)
Dr.-Ing. Uwe Klausmeyer Physikalisch-Technische Bundesanstalt (Germany)
Kerry McManama Underwriters Laboratories Inc. (USA)
Abram Pogorelsky Testing Certification Center of Explosion Protected
Electrical Equipment (Ukraine)
William Shao CSA International (Canada)
Michael Slowinske Underwriters Laboratories Inc. (USA)
Peter Smith CSA International (Canada)

Abstract - This paper is an update to the 1999 IEEE/PCIC paper titled "The Impact of the IECEx Scheme on the Global Availability of Explosion Protected Apparatus" (Paper No. PCIC-99-07), and will further address the advantages and possible concerns regarding the IECEx Scheme from the perspective of six international Hazardous Locations (HazLoc) testing and certification organizations from Brazil, Canada, France, Germany, Ukraine and USA.

The IECEx Scheme is an international certification scheme intended to facilitate global trade in electrical equipment for use in hazardous locations. Such hazardous locations are also commonly referred to as explosive atmospheres, with the equipment for use in such locations, or atmospheres, commonly referred to as HazLoc equipment or Ex equipment. The scheme provides a structured system to achieve global acceptance for explosion-protected equipment designed for hazardous locations. Scheme members declare that they will abolish national differences for product requirements in their countries during the coming years. This international scheme will greatly impact the free trade of explosion-protected apparatus needed for the petrochemical and chemical industry if the scheme members recognize and accept harmonized worldwide International Electrotechnical Commission (IEC) standards. The goal is to develop and maintain uniform product evaluations to protect users against products that are not compliant with the required level of safety. Markets for trade in explosion-protected apparatus are growing as a result of global market integration and industry mergers across national and regional boundaries. The abolition of differences of the relevant national standards is especially important for products used in hazardous locations.
Furthermore, relationships between conformity-assessment bodies, such as testing agencies, can help accelerate the merging of markets. This is the reason to establish a global scheme of accredited certification bodies and testing laboratories. Subsequently, the benefit of harmonized IEC standards will be realized, making it easy to find a product in the global market that users can trust.

c) PCIC-2002-3 - BRAZIL MOVES FROM DIVISIONS TO ZONES
Author: Estellito Rangel, Jr. Petrobras

Abstract - After decades of using the National Electrical CodeÒ (NEC) and North American standards to classify hazardous locations according to the National Electrical CodeÒ (NEC), Brazil is now starting to use the International Electrotechnical Comission (IEC) standards. Because of these revised directives, the electrical installations and designers of Oil and Gas Industry plants have faced the challenge to harmonize the electrical installations between the NEC and IEC requirements. Considering that the Brazilian Oil and Gas Sector is expected to invest approximately US$ 100 billion in the next ten years [1], this change will cause a huge impact. Although this paper is mainly focused on the Brazilian market, it will discuss very similar difficulties found by other countries in the same process of changing to IEC [2]. As Brazilian regulations also require
compulsory National conformity certification for electrical and electronic equipment used in hazardous locations, these aspects and installation details will be also discussed.

I'm tired of all your fanatasy hex and will take honor the request of fellow IMC'ers to stop feeding you.

But I will ask this.

I want you to show (well I guess the real term would be fabricate ) a link or links which shows

A) An IP for "fresca" here at LAIMC and a matching IP at any of the other boards you've mentioned.

Your fantasies are not only pathetic but illogical.

I live in LA.

I don't and never have used proxies.

The last time I reset my DSL was at least three weeks ago.

I've never posted at LGF or wherever else you claim.

Furthermore, you claim I am nonanarchist and at the same time claim that I couldn't have read his post before it was deleted.

That my friend, is crazy talk.

I'm done.

I'm sure I'll post again in regards to your madness in some future moment of weakness but, maybe not. Who knows? But I'm through feeding you all the attention as per the fellow posters request.

I would suggest that nonanarchist do the same.

Carry on hex...it's been fun while it lasted you crazy racist.

I will now hit the "ignore hex..." link.

that's fine "fresca" nice see'in you

don't let it hit you on the way out

There is nothing "racist" about pointing out a lax attitude towards electical safety and standards. I don't care who's running electrical distribution in Brazil; they're doing a pretty bad job.

Brazilians aren't a "race" anyway, dork.

Typical IMC response to reading something you disagree with: claim the poster is racist. Handy, that...it deflects criticism from your poor argument and on to the poster.

As far a Latuff goes, I disagree with much of his work...it is blatantly prejudiced against Israelis. This is obvious...at least it's obvious to anyone who doesn't share his prejudices. Further, as I pointed out, privatization of energy in Brazil has little to do with the light show photos he posted and much to do with poor enforcement of standards.

As far as your little mistaken identity fantasy is concerned, I have a theory. You're trying to get me and others to post our personal information to prove we're not whoever you say we are.

Nice try. Ain't happenin'.

I don't trust you, Hex, nor anyone else here with personal information.

And assuming you're not trying to get our info and truly believe that nonsense about some guy named Jerry, let's say I did post my personal information.

You would not believe it anyway.

So you go ahead with your fantasy. Damn reality, full steam ahead!

It's pretty funny, anyway.

Oh, and about the Yahoo screen shot:

Are you really dumb enough to think that just because it's the number 1 return, it makes it true? You do realize, don't you, that a search engine only counts the number of times words appear in a web page? They don't have some sort of truth detector built in?

And if you hate KOBE so much, why are you a member?
http://www.kobehq.com/members.asp

Ha ha! Dork.

nonanarchist

The Brazilian electrical standards follow IEC ones. The paper "Brazil moves from Divisions to Zones" presented by engineer Estellito Rangel Junior at the IEEE Petroleum and Chemical Industry Conference in New Orleans, 2002, presented very interesting details.
Electrical equipment for hazardous locations need a compulsory certification, even for imported equipment. The paper was published at IEEE IAS Applications Magazine on May 2004, with many pictures giving good information of installations details.