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The Sweet Sorrow Of General Clark

by Michael Shaw Thursday, Jan. 29, 2004 at 8:20 PM
mshaw@bagnews.com

Psuedo-Democrat Learning Politics Is A Sticky Business

If he has accomplished nothing else this week, General Wesley "No There, There" Clark has demonstrated the limits of intelligence in the absence of common sense.

As we elaborated in our psychological study of Mr. Clark, it is not really possible to be a viable presidential candidate in the absence of basic social and political instincts.

These capacities being virtually absent in the General, he spent this past week demonstrating his ignorance of Roe vs. Wade; defending Michael Moore's charge that President Bush was a military deserter; and getting into a status contest with John Kerry over military rank.

We can't wait to see what confections the General serves up before next week's primaries.


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President Bush was a military deserter

by Hex anon w/ encryption Thursday, Jan. 29, 2004 at 8:42 PM

President Bush was a...
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It's more than a "charge" - Palast has obtained actual air force documentation to prove it, showing bush AWOL from even his cushy state-side reserve position his father arranged for him

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Bush DID desert the TANG

by Zhade Thursday, Jan. 29, 2004 at 8:52 PM

All of the relevant documents can be found at www.bushawol.com - it's not a rumor, it's a matter of recorded fact.

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Here's the documents

by Hex anon w/ encryption Thursday, Jan. 29, 2004 at 8:52 PM

Here's the documents...
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Decide for yourself. Below are some of Bush's military documents, obtained through the Freedom of Information Act. Click on any image to see the full document.

Suspended from flying August 1972...

[Orders of Francis S. Greenlief, Major General, USAQ Chief, NAtional Gurad Bureau, 9/29/72. Grounded for missing the physical. Was he ever cleared to fly again? Did he show up for duty anytime over the next 18 months? Click on the paragraph to see the full document, and check out who gets suspended in paragraph 7!!.]

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Oops - typo

by Zhade Thursday, Jan. 29, 2004 at 8:54 PM

That should read www.awolbush.com.

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thanks Zhade I was just getting to them too hahhaha

by Hex anon w/ encryption Thursday, Jan. 29, 2004 at 8:55 PM

thanks Zhade I was j...
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Annual Officer Effectiveness Report, 5/2/73: "Not Observed" from May 1, 1972 to April 30, 1973...

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the actual FIOA documents

by Hex anon w/ encryption Thursday, Jan. 29, 2004 at 8:57 PM

the actual FIOA docu...
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In June of 1973, Air Force HQ asks for more information...

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Good presentation !

by Bex Thursday, Jan. 29, 2004 at 9:05 PM

Good to see that some others are presenting facts ! I was getting tired of seeing pointless and shallow comments.

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facts are what I collect

by Hex anon w/ encryption Thursday, Jan. 29, 2004 at 9:11 PM

I already had these documents but it was quicker to do a search and find them online rather than go through a stack of CD-R's..

As far as I can tell this thread is troll bait, and the troll was hoping the lies would pass or that nobody would bother to refute them - ashcroft (I've got dirt on him too) has been going around pulling websites down which carry this data, most of the links I found are dead..

Which is why I both archive and post the FOIA documents directly - this makes a news service carry them as well - not quite as easy to shut down, and with these FIOA documents no lie a troll can spin will cover this up..

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Love to know what you have on Asscrotch!

by Zhade Thursday, Jan. 29, 2004 at 9:19 PM

That is one scary fucking traitor.

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scaryer than you know - here you are

by Hex anon w/ encryption Thursday, Jan. 29, 2004 at 9:27 PM

scaryer than you kno...
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http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2003/3033ashcroft_mek.html



Ashcroft Terror Links Expose 'Patriot Act' Hoax

by Michele Steinberg

Attorney General John Ashcroft was "visibly angered," reported Reuters on Aug. 21, when a supporter of Democratic Party Presidential pre-candidate Lyndon LaRouche in Detroit, Michigan exposed Ashcroft's collusion with Vice President Dick Cheney in orchestrating a "new 9/11" terrorist atrocity to justify ramming through further police state measures known as the the "Patriot II" and "VICTORY" Acts. The Detroit Free Press reported that the LaRouche's associate likened Cheney's and Ashcroft's use of terrorism to the way that "Hitler used the fire of the Reichstag "the German Parliament building" to seize power in Germany in the 1930s."

Outside the Ashcroft meeting in Detroit, a high-spirited LaRouche Youth Movement rally distributed thousands of copies of an Aug. 9 statement by LaRouche called, "When Cheney Spoke of Terrorists, Which Terrorists, Dick?" LaRouche warned, "Cheney has promised an early terrorist attack on the U.S.A., comparable in political effect to that of Sept. 11, 2001. He does so at a time when his own failing political position requires some lucky such event to put him firmly back in the position he had prior to the recent developments in the Iraq war. He claims to be the expert in such matters. Is he bluffing, or do his advisers know something relevant?"

Cheney's speech promising a new terrorist act in the United States was given on July 24 at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI). It is no accident that on Aug. 19, Ashcroft spoke at the same AEI to launch phase two of Cheney's terror tour, a 10-day, 20-city Ashcroft road-show promoting new police state laws.

There's one thing wrong about this picture of the anti-terrorism crusade by John Ashcroft, he is on record as supporting, protecting and promoting one of the largest terrorist groups operating inside the United States, the Mujahideen-e-Khalq (MEK), also known as the National Council of Resistance in Iran (NCRI) and the National Liberation Army (NLA). Ashcroft's game of support for the MEK ended abruptly on Aug. 15, when the State Department and Treasury Department closed down the offices of the MEK/NCRI and froze its bank accounts. A State Department release said that the MEK/NCRI "function as part of the MEK and have supported the MEK's acts of terrorism."

According to a well-informed Washington source, who spent many years on Capitol Hill, Ashcroft can *and should be* dumped, held accountable for supporting the MEK, a terrorist group that assassinated U.S. military personnel and defense contractors in the early 1970s in Iran; fought for Saddam Hussein against Iran in the Iran-Iraq war; carried out simultaneous bombings of Iranian embassies and offices in 13 cities in 1992; fought against U.S. troops in Iraq during the March 2003 invasion; and whose members and leader, Miryam Rajavi, were arrested in France in June 2003 for plotting terrorist attacks against a series of embassies in Western Europe. More than .3 million was seized in the French raids.



Bush Named MEK in National Emergency

The official record of U.S. law enforcement and intelligence agencies shows that John Ashcroft had no excuse to protect the MEK/NCRI, it was a coverup. And the "Big Lie" spread by the disinformation specialists of the Cheney cabal, that the MEK was only deemed a terrorist organization "in 1997" by the Clinton Administration in order to kiss up to the Iranian leadership, is a hoax! Investigations by EIR into official U.S. records show repeated references to the MEK and all its front groups in the State Department's Patterns of Global Terrorism going back to the early 1990s. After the Sept. 11, 2001 irregular warfare attacks, which resulted in the Cheney cabal's coup d'état over the U.S. government, the reports about the MEK's terrorism were even more explicit.

On Sept. 23, 2001, President George W. Bush signed Executive Order 13224, which found a "continuing and immediate threat of further attacks on the United States" and declared "a national emergency to deal with that threat." Hundreds of organizations and individuals were named in an annex to 13224, which called for "Blocking Property and Prohibiting Transactions with Persons who Commit, Threaten to Commit, or Support Terrorism." EO 13224's "national emergency" served as the basis for Ashcroft to round up thousands of Arab and Muslim targets in the United States, both citizens and non-citizens, holding many of them incommunicado and without charges. On Oct. 31, 2001, the MEK/NCRI/NLA were added to the list of terrorist groups annexed to EO 13224, along with the other names under which the group operates: the Mujahideen-e-Khalq Organization (MKO), and Peoples Mujahideen of Iran (PMOI).

Yet, for the last 21 months, from Oct. 31, 2001 until Aug, 15, 2003, when the State Dept. and Treasury closed down the MEK/NCRI, Ashcroft did nothing against the MEK's operations in the United States, despite the fact that the group operated openly in Washington.

Indeed, the special treatment afforded the MEK by Ashcroft, Cheney, and the neo-conservative cabal in the Pentagon around Paul Wolfowitz and Doug Feith, could yet become another scandal of the magnitude of the "yellowcake uranium" hoax.

As the Cheney cabal and Ashcroft often repeat, invading Iraq was necessary to protect Americans from terrorism. In fact, with no "weapons of mass destruction" found in Iraq, the only fall-back the Bush Administration has to defend its illegal and unjust war, is Iraq's links to terrorism. But on Sept. 12, 2002, when the Bush Administration released its "White Paper" on Iraq, to back up Bush's anti-Iraq speech to the UN General Assembly, the only major concrete charge about a terrorist organization was against the MEK. The White Paper, called "A Decade of Deception and Defiance," says, "Iraq shelters terrorist groups including the Mujahideen-e-Khalq Organization, which has used terrorist violence against Iran and in the 1970s was responsible for killing several U.S. military personnel and U.S. civilians."

That snippet hardly does justice to the MEK's bloody record. According to the Federation of American Scientists report of Aug. 18, 2003, "During the 1970s, the MEK killed U.S. military personnel and U.S. civilians working on defense projects in Tehran.... In 1981, the MEK detonated bombs in the head office of the Islamic Republic Party and the Premier's office ... killing some 70 high ranking officials.... In 1991, it assisted the Government of Iraq in suppressing the Shia and Kurdish uprisings." According to a 1994 State Department report, "In April 1992, the MEK carried out nearly simultaneous attacks on Iranian Embassies in 13 different countries in North America, Europe, and the Pacific Rim."

Not only does the group have a long record of stone-cold terrorism, but both the Washington Post and Le Figaro described the MEK, run by Massoud Rajavi, its founder and supreme commander, and his wife Miryam, as a cult. Gruesome evidence of this cult allegation was amply provided in June, when several members of the MEK in Europe set themselves on fire in protest *one of them died* until Miryam Rajavi was freed.

Ashcroft's 'Passionate' Support

With this record, it is incredible but true that in mid-April, the MEK again landed on its feet when its weapons, including artillery and tanks, were returned to its forces in Iraq by the U.S. Occupation authority. The move reportedly came from the Defense Department's neo-conservative cabal *Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and Doug Feith* which wanted the MEK to be its "mercenary" team, a secret army organization for war against Iran, without the knowledge of Congress, or perhaps even the President.

This adventure, to allow the MEK to keep its arms, was rapidly ended by Bush's National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice. But, Washington-based investigators have told EIR that there is much more to the MEK's relationship to the Pentagon's Office of Special Plans.

The Pentagon neo-cons were just continuing Ashcroft's "passionate" support, which, as described by Slate magazine, goes back to at least the late 1990's. Ashcroft's activism for the MEK reached new heights in 2000, after MEK leader Mahnaz Samadi was arrested for belonging to a terrorist group, as she tried to enter the United States from Canada in December 1999, during a "high alert" for terrorism around the Y2K New Year's Day. In May and June 2000, Ashcroft and former New Jersey Senator Robert Torricelli led the Congressional effort to pressure Janet Reno to release Samadi. Ironically, totalitarian Ashcroft lambasted Reno, according to the Washington Times, for detaining Samadi, whom Ashcroft praised as a "human rights" defender. It went further. Newsweek reports that in September 2000, Ashcroft sent a "statement of solidarity" that was "read aloud to the cheering crowd" at an MEK/NCRI rally at the UN protesting the visit by Iranian President Khatami. The NCRI's spokesman in Washington, Alireza Jafarzadeh, is quoted by Newsweek saying "he had 'several' meetings with Ashcroft aides" about Samadi, and he considers Ashcroft to be "a supporter of his group."

Another major MEK defender is Islam-basher Daniel Pipes, who says the MEK is a valuable ally which stopped its anti-American terrorism "decades ago," and whose "only violent actions have been directed against the Iranian regime" for the last 15 years. As of Aug. 22, reports were that Pipes is to be awarded a "recess appointment" by Bush to the U.S. Institute for Peace, in order to bypass the Senate's blocking his appointment.

Such an appointment would be another danger to the country, given Pipes' support for John Ashcroft's terrorist gang.







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Any idiot can see

by except you idiots Thursday, Jan. 29, 2004 at 9:33 PM

These docs do not show President Bush being reported AWOL anywhere on them. Two of them appear to be routine evals from his reporting officer having him evaluated as "unobserved" meaning the reporting officer could not evaluate GWBs performance as he had moved away and was no longer attached to that command.

The other one has him being removed from flying status because he missed a routine physical or medical examine.

Anyone that has ever been a member of the armed forces knows this sort of political bullshit happens all the time, and is simply that: bullshit.

But thanks anyway for posting it. I love how you idiots self-debunk yourselves on crap such as this "GWB went AWOL" malarky and such....

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Hmmm.

by Zhade Thursday, Jan. 29, 2004 at 9:35 PM

Now, I'm the first person to state that the USG was responsible for 9/11. There are more holes in the Official Story than in Bush's "military" record.

And I would not put it past them to stage another attack in time to sway or, barring that, shut down the presidential election.

But I have some qualms about LaRouche. I've heard some claims he's nuttier than a fruitcake.

I don't honestly know.

What do you know about the guy?

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You obviously had your eyes stabbed out...

by Zhade Thursday, Jan. 29, 2004 at 9:36 PM

...because if you'd actually read the evidence, both posted here and at www.awolbush.com, you'd not be making such an ignorant statement.

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ignorant statements

by except you idiots Thursday, Jan. 29, 2004 at 9:44 PM

Yeah ignorant. I simply commented on the so-called evidence posted by hex anon that anyone is free to go up and actually take a look at. Please do. Additionally, I base my opinions about the military from more than a decade of personal service in the armed forces.

I want to see a government issued Standard Form, Eval, Counseling Sheet or otherwise that says beyond a shadow of a doubt that GWB went AWOL. I do not care to rout through a website of tripe to get it fed to me either. Feel free to do my legwork for me. Otherwise I'll just go ahead and vote for Bush again in November just the same as I did last time.

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Allow me to translate the docs:

by ;lkjl;kjlh Thursday, Jan. 29, 2004 at 9:46 PM

The first document is orders confirming GWB's removal from flight status because he missed his annual flight physical.

The second document is an Officer Performance Report. It says that GWB's rater has not observed his duty performance during the rating period due to GWB's civilian job requiring him to move to Montgomery, AL. Bush was receiving equivalent training in a non-flying satus at Dannelly Air Nat'l Guard Base in Alabama.

The third document says that Bush's training cannot be rated by that unit because he wan't training there.

There is absolutely no way...NO WAY...these documents show that Bush was AWOL.

Try again, Hex. You have proven, as usual, absolutely nothing.

nonanarhcist

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A Deserter By Any Other Name...

by Rose is a Rose Thursday, Jan. 29, 2004 at 9:49 PM

http://awolbush.com/
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Gee nonanarchist

by except you idiots Thursday, Jan. 29, 2004 at 9:52 PM

I think there's an echo in here...

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deny-at-all-cost

by Hex anon w/ encryption Thursday, Jan. 29, 2004 at 10:02 PM

that denial might possibly stand if you didn't look closely at the FIOA documents or didn't go the the web site to see it all layed out - but you forgot the Palast video !

In it he not only goes over the documents he also *talks to military people where bush served* and they CONFIRM all of the above.

Jerry is simply outright lying - again

New Documentary done by Greg Palast of the BBC.

http://abettercarpetcleaner.com/MediaPlayer/BushClips/bush_family_fortunes_chunk_1.wmv

http://abettercarpetcleaner.com/MediaPlayer/BushClips/bush_family_fortunes_chunk_2.wmv

http://abettercarpetcleaner.com/MediaPlayer/BushClips/bush_family_fortunes_chunk_3.wmv

http://abettercarpetcleaner.com/MediaPlayer/BushClips/bush_family_fortunes_chunk_4.wmv

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Lying? Nope. BTW, I'm not this Jerry guy, dork.

by ;lk;lk;hk Thursday, Jan. 29, 2004 at 10:24 PM

I looked at all the documents on the site you linked to.

Nothing...NOTHING...suggests Bush was AWOL.

Had he been, don't you think he would have been prosecuted? There was a war on, ya know.

Keep it up, though. Your flailings are amusing.

nonanarchist

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except you idiots

by ;lkjkjhlkjh Thursday, Jan. 29, 2004 at 10:25 PM

In what branch did you serve, dude?

I hit 13 years in the AF next month.

nonanarchist

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Screw this bullshit

by Sheepdog Thursday, Jan. 29, 2004 at 10:34 PM

Screw this bullshit...
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Back to the good General...

Those seeking an investigation of his part in the Waco outrage say that Clark not only played a hidden role in the military-style assault on the Branch Davidians, but easily could have refused to participate in what was a clear violation of the Posse Comitatus Act that bars use of the U.S. military for civilian law-enforcement activities.

http://www.zpub.com/un/clark.html

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yes Sheepdog - I posted the proof

by Hex anon w/ encryption Thursday, Jan. 29, 2004 at 10:57 PM

yes Sheepdog - I pos...
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The BBC documentry video links I just posted tell the whole story - with actual bush military officers there at the time...

Jerry's denials don't even address this at all - a reward is on the table for any proof that bush DID serve during the period in question, no one's claimed it.

In the BBC documentry, people in command over bush and the paperwork, flat out say he wasn't there and was AWOL too. Besides the FIOA documents...

Anyone with any question about this only need to watch the BBC documentry to see



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Texas B B Que

by Sheepdog Thursday, Jan. 29, 2004 at 11:06 PM

Bush is an idiot- He can be replaced. case closed.

Clark, a retired Army(waco Child Murdering) general who led army CAG mercenaries - NATO forces in Europe, delivered his sharpest critique yet of Bush's (jewish) foreign policy. As the newest entry in the Democratic presidential race, he echoed many of his rivals arguments for removing Bush from office.

http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/10-28-03/discussion.cgi.14.html

WASHINGTON (AP) - An Army division commanded by Wesley Clark supplied some of the military equipment for the government's 51-day standoff with a religious sect in Waco, Texas, and Clark's deputy, now the Army Chief of Staff, took part in a crucial Justice Department meeting five days before the siege ended in disaster, according to military records.

Clark's involvement in support of the Waco operation a decade ago was indirect and fleeting, according to his former commanding officer. But the assistance to civilian law enforcement agencies by military officers around Clark and soldiers under his command has prompted a flurry of questions to his presidential campaign.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-3441113,00.html

So who wants this piece of human garbage in the White House?

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fresca

by fresca Friday, Jan. 30, 2004 at 3:05 AM

How'd I miss this one?

Priceless. All these documents and they all refute the notion of Bush being Awol.

This is insane.

Hex is actually posting documents which are absolute proof that Bush DIDN'T go away in an effort to claim that he did.

It all just gets crazier around here everyday.

It's like posting a picture of a red apple to prove that apples are never red.

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analysis

by Sheep[dog] Friday, Jan. 30, 2004 at 6:08 AM

Oh sure, this is about YOU after all.

fresca and Hexy sitting in a tree, K - I - S - S - ....I - N - G !

And you say we don't have a sence of humor. Ha Ha Ha Ha.......!

Thanks FROTFLMAO!!

More on Our new liberal !

Gen Clark

Biowarfare

Gen. Wesley Clark was in charge of refugee camps in the 1980s and 1990s where Haitian refugees who were fleeing first Baby Doc Duvalier (and later the new regime installed by the US following the overthrowal of the elected Aristide government in the early 1990s), were packed, under appalling conditions condemned by the Center for Constitutional Rights, among many others. In the 1980s, many Haitian male refugees incarcerated at Krome (in Miami), and Fort Allen (in Puerto Rico) reported a strange condition called gyneacomastia, a situation in which they developed full female breasts. Ira Kurzban, attorney for the Haitian Refugee Center, managed to pry free government documents via a lawsuit on behalf of the refugees. These contained the startling information that prison officials had ordered the refugees sprayed repeatedly with highly toxic chemicals never designed for such generic use. The officer in charge of the refugee camp ? None other than Gen. Wesley Clark, chief of operations at the US Navy internment camp at Guantanamo, and later head of NATO forces bombing Yugoslavia. The documents go on to say that lengthy exposure to the particular chemicals can cause hormonal changes that induce development of female breasts. Medical studies of female Haitian refugees in New York revealed that they had a much higher rate of cervical cancer than the rest of the female population.Gen. Wesley Clark was in charge of refugee camps in the 1980s and 1990s where Haitian refugees who were fleeing first Baby Doc Duvalier (and later the new regime installed by the US following the overthrowal of the elected Aristide government in the early 1990s), were packed, under appalling conditions condemned by the Center for Constitutional Rights, among many others. In the 1980s, many Haitian male refugees incarcerated at Krome (in Miami), and Fort Allen (in Puerto Rico) reported a strange condition called gyneacomastia, a situation in which they developed full female breasts. Ira Kurzban, attorney for the Haitian Refugee Center, managed to pry free government documents via a lawsuit on behalf of the refugees. These contained the startling information that prison officials had ordered the refugees sprayed repeatedly with highly toxic chemicals never designed for such generic use. The officer in charge of the refugee camp ? None other than Gen. Wesley Clark, chief of operations at the US Navy internment camp at Guantanamo, and later head of NATO forces bombing Yugoslavia. The documents go on to say that lengthy exposure to the particular chemicals can cause hormonal changes that induce development of female breasts. Medical studies of female Haitian refugees in New York revealed that they had a much higher rate of cervical cancer than the rest of the female population.

Radiation/toxic weapons

Half a decade later, Gen Welsey Clark was supreme NATO commander in Yugoslavia. He presided over the massive use of depeleted uranium weapons there which poisoned Yugoslavia's water supply and agriculture, leading to an extremely high rate of miscarriages and childhood cancers

Clark was in charge of NATO's "spin" in the Yugoslavia bombardment. Clark called the destruction of a Yugoslav train filled with civilians by a NATO missile "an uncanny accident." He said the same each time that NATO bombed civilian targets, which happened frequently.

Paul Watson reported in the San Francisco Chronicle that "NATO bombers scored several direct hits here in Kosovo's capital yesterday - including a graveyard, a bus station, and a children's basketball court." (April 14) A Spanish pilot flying missions for NATO, Capt. Martin de la Hoz, stated that on a number of occasions his supervising colonel protested to NATO about their bombing of non-military, civilian targets. "Once there was a coded order from the North American military that we should drop anti-personnel bombs over Pristina and Nis. All of the missions that we flew, all and each one, were planned in detail, including attacking planes, targets and type of ammunition, by US high-ranking military authorities. ... They are destroying the country," the Spanish F-18 pilot continued, "bombing it with novel weapons, toxic nerve gasses, surface mines dropped by parachute, bombs containing uranium, black napalm, sterilization chemicals, sprayings to poison crops, and weapons of which even we still know nothing about." (quoted in "Articulo 20," a Spanish weekly newspaper, June 14, 1999)

http://www.counterpunch.org/cohen09172003.html

yep, he's the enemy's meat puppet and errand boy.

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about larouche

by more rational Saturday, Jan. 31, 2004 at 11:13 PM

He's an ardently pro-America, paranoid, cult leader. He milks his followers for millions.

He started out in the Socialist Worker's Party, but in the 70s, became a Democrat, then later, became very pro-American, and raised millions of dollars for the right wing.

Rule - don't trust assholes who go from the very far Left to the very far Right. This includes Bush's neocon advisors.

LaRouche probably attracts people who are attracted to power who also fear power. Lyndon L seems to have a messianic quality. It reminds me of Scientology or the Moonies.

Rule - don't trust people who love leaders too much.

The LaRouche strategy is similar to other cults. They glom onto whatever the kids are into. In the 60s, it was communistm. In the 80s, it was conservative politics and libertarian ideas. In the 00s, it's anti-authority and anti-globalization.

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