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Mideast Truths and Myths

by Mideast Truth Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 2:20 AM

Read it and weep, leftist fascists!

"Concise Explanation of the Middle East War. First, Destroy the Myths"


Myth #1: Israel is an aggressor.
Truth #1: Israel is the victim.

Myth # 2: The "intifada" wave of Palestinian terror was caused by Israeli occupation.
Truth #2: The "intifada" wave of Palestinian terror was caused by removal of Israeli occupation.

Myth #3: The territory of Israel used to be an Arab Palestinian state.
Truth #3: There has never been an Arab Palestinian state anywhere, anytime.

Myth #4: Arabs are mistreated by Israel.
Truth #4: Arabs under Israeli rule are treated infinitely better than are Arabs living under Arab regimes.

Myth #5: The West Bank is Palestinian land.
Truth #5: The West Bank is Jewish land, even though some governments of Israel have been prepared to relinquish it.

Myth #6: Creation of a Palestinian state will produce peace.
Truth #6: Creation of a Palestinian state will produce escalated war, perpetual terrorism, and barbarism.

Myth #7: Arab war and terrorism against Israel was produced by Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza.
Truth #7: Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza was produced by Arab war and terrorism against Israel.

Myth #8: Israeli leftists are seeking to achieve peace.
Truth #8: Israeli leftists are motivated by hatred of their own country and their own people, and are seeking their destruction.

Myth #9: Arab terrorism is a byproduct of poverty.
Truth #9: Arab terrorists are almost all middle class and educated yuppies.

Myth #10: The key to peace is granting Palestinians hope.
Truth #10: The key to peace is taking away Palestinian hope (of destroying Israel).

Myth #11: The Palestinians seek to have their own state alongside Israel.
Truth #11: The Palestinians and their apologists seek to destroy Israel and conduct genocide against Jews.

Myth #12: Zionism is a form of racism.
Truth #12: Anti-Zionism is a form of racism.

Myth #13: Arab violence is a result of excessive use of force by Israel.
Truth #13: Arab violence is a result of insufficient use of force by Israel.

Myth #14: Israel can only achieve tranquility through displays of niceness.
Truth #14: Israel can only achieve tranquility through displays of harshness.

Myth #15: Israeli displays of flexibility and willingness to make concessions build Arab trust.
Truth #15: Israeli displays of flexibility and willingness to make concessions are seen by the Arabs as signs of weakness and encourage Arab aggression and irredentism.

Myth #16: The bulk of Palestinians want peace with Israel and oppose terror.
Truth #16: Virtually all Palestinians support war and endorse terror. None have publicly denounced terrorism.

Myth #17: Arafat is trying to halt the terror.
Truth #17: Arafat personally commands the terrorist groups carrying out most of the violence.

Myth #18: The Road Map is an effective plan to achieve peace.
Truth #18: The Road Map is an effective plan to achieve the destruction of Israel.

Myth #19: The Palestinian cause is similar to that of black South Africans under apartheid.
Truth #19: The Palestinian cause is similar to that of the Sudeten Germans in Czechoslovakia.

Myth #20: Israel is an apartheid country.
Truth #20: Israel is the only state in the Middle East that is NOT an apartheid country.

Myth #21: The Arab war against Israel is a struggle for justice.
Truth #21: The Arab war against Israel is a struggle for injustice.

Myth #22: The Middle East war is a result of unwillingness by Israel to share land and resources.
Truth #22: The Arabs control land from the Atlas mountains to Central Asia. The war is because they are unwilling for the Jews to control an area smaller than New Jersey.

Myth #23: Arabs became refugees because Israel expelled them.
Truth #24: Jews from Arab states became refugees because the Arab countries expelled them.

Myth #25: The Middle East war is about Israel refusing to acknowledge the Palestinian right of self-determination.
Truth #25: The Middle East war is about the Arab world refusing to allow the Israeli Jews the right of self-determination.




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Who is worst?

by Sergio Leone Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 3:01 AM

This is such an excellent article: You re proving me that an extremist Israeli is no different from an extremist Palestininan.

You ve posted a view of the conflict as Sharon and his extremists friends of the likud see it. Just invert the "truth" with the "myth", and you ll get the opposit extremism. (works on most of those issues).

Do you think your extremism is so much better than the one of those who blow themselves up?

of course, that s what you do...
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Good Post

by Peter Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 6:21 AM

This is an excellent post, it highlights all the points the left, islamo-fascist supporters will never come to understand. Thank you for the great insight.
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the troll baiter's ghost truths

by Hex anon w/ encryption Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 6:40 AM

Odd - I didn't see a single link to a "credible" source to varify any of these "truths"

(which I only skimmed over looking only for links - I didn't actually read the worthless troll bait - why should I - there's no truth anywhere)

This is a good tip for all IMC patrons - as soon as you detect troll bait (in this case the "leftist/facist" smear gave it away even before the body of the bait) just scroll down past it. If you think it's worth even a few seconds, watch for links in the blur to confirm how the troll never has any facts but only his crappy OPINIONS his mission of cramming them down our throats keeps him here for.

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Why link at all? - indeed !

by Hex anon w/ encryption Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 10:08 AM

Why link at all?  - ...
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Another victim of SAPS learns to live with his affliction by inflicting it on us..

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You don't have to provide links, but you do have to provide evidence

by El Kabong Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 12:29 PM

Unsupported assertions, or assertions claimed to be backed by "common knowledge", really aren't worth the bytes they're printed on.

There's a massive difference between saying "this is what I think and it's true because I say so- after all, everybody knows I'm right, and anybody who disagrees is simply motivated by hatred" and saying "this is what I think, these are the data from which I draw this inference and this is the reasoning process by which I draw the inference".

The latter makes productive discussion possible, the former makes anything other than a schoolyard argument impossible, in which case, as Sergio pointed out, all we need to do is to invert whatever string of assertions was spewed first and allow the two antitheses to annihilate each other while those of us who are actually interested in working out a viewpoint rationally go and do something worthwhile.

Agreed that the Net is full of crap as well as useful sources, but the Net isn't the be-all and end-all of research. Cite books, periodicals, print media if you will, but when asserting a putative fact, cite something or be rightfully dismissed as just another ranter- irrespective of which side you happen to be on.

In short, just as a nonfalsifiable hypothesis is worthless in science, a claim which is nonfalsifiable because the claimant pre-empts all possibility of the claim being critically examined either by withholding supporting information or by resorting to the ad populum fallacy with a "common knowledge" claim is worthless in political discussion.

Argument by assertion, omitting any reference to sources and the need to evaluate the reliability of sources, handwaving past the need for support, confusing opinion with observations, trying to slip unsupported inferences into the body of data for use as support for further arguments, appeal to "common sense"- it all reminds me of Moon Hoax twinkies or Internet anti-Semites.

Funny how our resident trolls veer between asserting their great intellectual superiority over anyone who doesn't agree with their belief package and revealing reasoning and debating techniques which are characteristic of the most woowoo of pseudoscience cranks.

It's also interesting to note another emerging aspect of troll behavior. Now that DeVoy has apparently buggered off to his own personal sandbox, the trolls are attaching themselves to Hex the way an Arcturan Megaleech attaches itself to its victim before biting his head off and making off with his spaceship. Looks like the comedians just can't get along without someone to feed them a straight line.

We now return you to our regularly scheduled program of people shouting "hooray for our side" at each other as loud as they can.

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by fresca Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 1:21 PM

"Cite books, periodicals, print media if you will, but when asserting a putative fact, cite something or be rightfully dismissed as just another ranter- irrespective of which side you happen to be on. "


That's all fine and good, but if you've been frequenting this place for any length of time you wouldn't have wasted so many bytes defending the typical troll who uses this space as another forum for simply assinine conspiracy theories.

Make no mistake...this place is NOT about discussion (tried that many times with those I disagree with..the latest was Hex...simply not interested or not informed enough). Nor is it neccessarily about Left vs. Right.

It is more than anything, about delusion vs. fact.

When some poor misquided fool starts posting stories about the NWO's chemtrail terror campaign, or the remote controlled aircraft of 9-11 or the Mossads warning to all Jews to stay home from the WTC on 9-11, there is NO CITING of any links, internet or otherwise which are required.

To waste time trying to refute a fantasy is fruitless. It can't be done. It's like trying to convince you away from your favorite color.

These people are simply deluded and figures of fun. They in fact are the "trolls".



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"the latest was Hex"

by Hex anon w/ encryption Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 1:45 PM

You've attributed claims I never made

the closest any come to me is on the contrail claims made by other people -

when they claimed Aluminum, Barium and Magnesium where "deadly" I said these elements are NOT, is all.

Someone posted a pretty detailed report on what was really going on -

I read it and said it was the only one posted (out of 3 or 4) that made scientific sense.

the other's were all obviously bogus..


To ka bong

It's my understanding ka bong = more rational = DeVoy

please correct me if I'm wrong

and you mentioned;

> go and do something worthwhile

can you specify exactly what this involves ?

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The Delusional Orwellian Zionazis

by 1984 Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 2:27 PM

Up is down.

Ignorance is strength.

War is Peace.

Israel is Innocent.

Israel does not Commit Inhuman War Crimes.

Zionism is good for you.

Rachel Corrie intentionally got in the way of a Peace Loving Killdozer.

You know what? The SPIN (lies) isn't selling very well anymore. Keep it up though. The more frantic you become the funnier you are - in sick way. Very Sick.
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fresca

by fresca Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 2:47 PM

Point by point


*****Up is down.

Clearly wrong

*****Ignorance is strength.

In the case of the typical IMC conspiracy theorist...seems to be the case.

******War is Peace.

Certainly not. But it is often neccessary to get there. Obviously.

******Israel is Innocent.

Of what?

******Israel does not Commit Inhuman War Crimes.

I agree. Israel has been heavy handed at times dealing with it's savage enemies of militant racist ISLAMISM, but no war crimes have ever been committed. Nor has Hamas, et al, ever committed "war crimes".

*****Zionism is good for you.

Not for me. But it is certainly good for any Jew in the diaspora who desires a sfae homeland of their own, just like any other people .

*****Rachel Corrie intentionally got in the way of a Peace Loving Killdozer.

Well she wasn't pushed in the way. Call it what you want, but sitting down in front of a bulldozer which affords it's operator limited view is maybe not the brightest thing she ever did. Of course, directly supporting racist terrorists wasn't her master stroke either.

You know what? The SPIN (lies) isn't selling very well anymore. Keep it up though. The more frantic you become the funnier you are - in sick way. Very Sick.

Uh, I think it's more than safe to say that as the amount of visitors here who openly support Israel and America continues to increase, the frantic desperate whinings will eminate louder and louder from the few remaining racists like Hex and his ilk.

You've had your heads handed to you.

Hence the inane Orwell hyperbole.
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"War is / often neccessary"

by Hex anon w/ encryption Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 3:03 PM

"War is / often...
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Hex and his ilk P.1
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Hex and his ilk P.2

by Hex anon w/ encryption Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 3:05 PM

Hex and his ilk P.2...
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more detail
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Hex and his ilk P.3

by Hex anon w/ encryption Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 3:06 PM

Hex and his ilk P.3...
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even more details
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fresca

by fresca Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 3:19 PM

"War is / often neccessary"

please don't tell me you actually disagree with this.

Are you truly THAT naive?
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the man accuses ME of hate

by Hex anon w/ encryption Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 3:25 PM

the man accuses ME o...
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P.4

he advotates war and demands we do as well - so then he can accuse us of hate too ?

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the irony is mountainous

by Hex anon w/ encryption Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 3:27 PM

the irony is mountai...
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blindness is such a terrible thing
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fresca

by fresca Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 3:34 PM

Damn right I accuse you of hate.

You hate Israel and all the people there who believe that they too have a right to a country of their own without being attacked constantly. As do the "palestinians". Buit you don't see both sides. You don't even see the "palestinian" side. You only see the side of whatever faceless group is attcking Israel.

Now I'm not saying you hate Jews, but it sure does sound like you hate Jews.

You hate a group for what it is.
When I say I hate Islamists, the KKK or any other viloent hate group it's because of what it DOES.

So yeah. I'm telling you that you absolutely hate.

Nothing you could possibly type (and I know you'll try to dodge) will change this fact.
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Fresca

by fresca Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 3:42 PM

Thanks so much for posting the famous shot of the "palestinian" whose son was shot by a PALASTINIAN bullet.



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"An investigation and re-enactment of the shooting death of a young Palestinian boy has shown that Israeli gunfire was not responsible. Israel had accepted responsibility shortly after the incident, and then called for the investigation and re-enactment. The report that follows explains the findings of investigation which are: PALESTINIANS, NOT ISRAELIS, KILLED THE 12-YEAR-OLD BOY

An IDF investigation and re-enactment appears to show conclusively that the 12-year-old boy from Gaza, Muhammad al-Dura, was not shot by Israeli soldiers - but was rather the victim of a cruel plot staged by Palestinian sharpshooters and possibly a television cameraman.

The incident in question occurred on Oct. 1, 2000, when the boy and his father happened to be walking past the scene of a major battle between Palestinian snipers and Israeli soldiers.

Former IDF sniper Yosef Doriel, who initiated the re-enactment, said that he had several reasons to suspect that the Israelis did not shoot the boy. "For one thing, the boy and his father were hiding behind and to the left of a barrel that was between them and the Israeli forces," he told Arutz-7 today.



"In the video clip, you see four clean bullet holes to the side of them. The Israelis did not shoot these. They are 'clean' and full holes, not mere grazes that would have been formed by the 30-degree angle of the Israelis.

Palestinians stationed more directly in front of the father and son made those bullet holes to be sure that the two would stay put. Suddenly, you see the boy lying down in his father's lap, with another bullet hole in the wall directly behind him. Again, it could not have come from the IDF position, behind and to the side of the barrel. It could only have come from the Palestinian position, which was more directly in front of the father and son. This bullet went through his stomach and out of his back. At that point in the video, you can hear the firing - but the Israeli position was far away!




Rather, what happened was that a Palestinian advanced to a spot very close to the photographer, and shot the fatal shot. You can also notice that at that moment of the fatal shots, the photographer suddenly 'shook' and the picture was blurred - a signal that the shots came from close to him."

Doriel and a fellow physicist, Nachum Shachaf, proposed that O.C.Southern Command Yom Tov Samiyeh oversee a re-enactment of the entire incident, complete with the barrel and life-size dummies. Doriel concludes: "The Palestinian forces staged the event. The Israelis were firing, for sure - but the fatal shots came not from them, but from the Palestinian position in front of the boy, behind the cameraman."


By the way, here's your precious link.


http://www.geocities.com/palestiniansarelies/MuhammadAlDura.html
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geocities free web page is credible ?

by Hex anon w/ encryption Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 4:15 PM

but
The Institute for Policy Studies: the nation's oldest multi-issue ... of Justice American University Washington College of Law Center for Human Rights
and Humanitarian Law and the Institute for Policy Studies cordially invite you ... Description: A "think tank" for progressive research and action to create a more responsible society built around...

http://www.ips-dc.org/

is NOT credible ?


And me wanting peace like the people above means I "absolutely hate" - that they absoutely hate too ?


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fresca

by fresca Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 4:52 PM

"And me wanting peace like the people above means I "absolutely hate" - that they absoutely hate too ? "

Since when have you EVER said even the first thing about wanting peace?

Never.

You don't want peace.

If you did you'd at least acknowledge that the problem with Isarel and "palestine" is two-sided. You never have and show no signs of doing it now or in the future.

Now if by "peace" you mean you oft repeated desire to see Israel dismantled and decimated then perhaps you do want peace.

But as it stands, you've never even discussed possible peace solutions. You have shown and said repeatedly that Israel is evil. You've called Isareli's "babykillers".
I've called "palestionian" terrorists" savages and subhumans. As they are. As are any Isareli hate groups. I've also said repeatedly that the settlements should be dismantled.

You have only blind support for violnece against Israel.

Peace is the LAST thing you seem to want.
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You've called Isareli's "babykillers

by Hex anon w/ encryption Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 4:59 PM

You've called Isarel...
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post or link to where I ever said that

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fresca

by fresca Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 5:17 PM

One quick search yeilds this one of many.

You clearly are claiming that Israeli's are babykillers and the "wall" should keep these babykillers out of "palestine"


http://la.indymedia.org/news/2004/01/100407_comment.php#100433
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"You clearly are - Amnesty International"

by Hex anon w/ encryption Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 5:26 PM

"You clearly ar...
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the pictures say it, Amnesty International says it, Latuff says it.

and that's the point - it's not about me - I only report the facts.

you need to be calling hundreds of photographs and Amnesty International liars

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fresca

by fresca Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 6:01 PM

Besides you're inane attempt to gain credibility by aligning yourself with the nazi latuff,

please show me where Amenesty International has reffered to Isareli's as babykillers.

In addition, please show any evidence whatsoever that "palestinian" terrorism hasn't resulted in MANY dead and maimed Israeli's.

See, you don't even acknowledge that.

Dead Israeli babies are of no interest to you.

And you want peace?

What a fucking nazi.
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"please show me"

by Hex anon w/ encryption Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 6:06 PM

it's in the link you just gave !

Since the beginning of the Palestinian uprising on 29 September 2000 the Israeli army has killed more than 2,200 Palestinians, including 400 children."

"While claiming that it seeks to avoid harming the Palestinian population the Israeli army tanks and aircraft continue to shell densely populated Palestinian refugee camps and residential areas, knowing that such reckless fire will cause heavy civilian casualties."

(Source: Amnesty International)

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fresca

by fresca Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 6:12 PM

Show us where they use, like you, the term "babykiller".

Are you saying that Amnesty International doesn't count the number of dead Israeli children?

You're caught.

You and likeminded racists like latuff are the ones calling Isarelis "babykillers", not AI.
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fresca

by fresca Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 6:18 PM

AS far as your oft quoted stats, let's show how distorted they are.

Here's a bit of stat analysis which sheds the real light on the situation.

Both sides have an equal share in the misery.


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"The al-Aqsa conflict is not a single, homogenous event. To describe it glibly as “an uprising against Israeli occupation” grossly oversimplifies and distorts our view of the conflict, and obscures much of the significance of its history. The conflict has, in fact, gone through four distinct phases from its beginning until now. Judging by fatality statistics, only the first of these phases, which lasted less than three months, strongly resembled a true “intifada”. The especially high rate of death among the Palestinians during this phase probably created the general public impression of the entire conflict as an overwhelming slaughter of overmatched Palestinians.
The usual fatality count quoted in news articles presents an inaccurate and distorted picture of the al-Aqsa conflict, exaggerating Israel’s responsibility for the death of noncombatant civilians. For example, our database shows a total of 603 Israelis killed, compared to 1596 Palestinians, up to 29 August 2002 – numbers in general agreement with media reports (see Graph 1.1).

But such numbers hide as much as they reveal: They lump combatants in with noncombatants, suicide bombers with innocent civilians, and report Palestinian “collaborators” murdered by their own compatriots as if they had been killed by Israel. Correcting for such distortions, we can arrive at a figure of 617 Palestinian noncombatants killed by Israel, compared to 471 Israeli noncombatants killed by Palestinians (see Graph 1.2). While Israelis account for 27 percent of the total fatalities as generally reported, they represent 43 percent of these noncombatant victims. There are a number of valid ways of arriving at such corrected figures to compare the extent to which each side has been responsible for the killing of noncombatants; they all show a much more balanced picture of the conflict than the raw totals do.

Graph 1.2 shows the gradually increasing number of noncombatant fatalities each side has suffered at the other's hands, along with the “noncombatant gap” – the number by which Israeli killing of Palestinian noncombatants exceeds Palestinian killing of Israeli noncombatants. It is worth noting that this “noncombatant gap” rose quickly in the first few months of the conflict, and has remained within a narrow range since then.

While Israeli fatalities in the al-Aqsa conflict have consisted of 80 percent noncombatants (and over 80 percent before the substantial IDF casualties suffered during the Jenin incursion of April 2002), Palestinian fatalities have consisted of more combatants than noncombatants (see Graphs 1.3 and 1.4). "

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http://www.ict.org.il/articles/articledet.cfm?articleid=439

And yet, you still claim that "palestinians" are not responsible for anything.
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babys are infants are children

by Hex anon w/ encryption Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 6:42 PM

babys are infants ar...
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400

Searched the web for "israeli pilots refuse". Results 1 - 10 of about 812

CBS News | Some Israeli Pilots Refuse Strikes | September 26, 2003 ...
... Some Israeli Pilots Refuse Strikes Sept. 25, 2003. Israeli Air Force
pilots are backdropped by technicians working on an F ...
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/09/26/world/main575270.shtml

CBC News:Israeli pilots refuse anti-Palestinian missions
Israeli pilots refuse anti-Palestinian missions Last Updated Thu, 25
Sep 2003 11:00:14 JERUSALEM - A group of 27 Israeli air force ...
http://www.cbc.ca/storyview/CBC/2003/09/24/mideast030924

Madison Independent Media Center: newswire/3990
... 8:25: The number of imprisoned Israeli army objectors has risen to thirty-eight,

http://madison.indymedia.org/newswire/display/3990/index.php

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fresca

by fresca Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 6:47 PM

Wow hex, you're getting desperate now.

Yeah, we all know about the refusers. So what?

Irrelevant.

You continue to refer, much as Hitler did, to Israelis as "babykillers".

Amnesty International does not.

Furthermore, the stats prove that "palestinian" violence has harmed more Israeli noncombatants than has the converse.

Face it your caught again.

Now what non-sequitor will you post now to try and wriggle away.

Fucking nazi.
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From Hex's link:

by lkjhkhghg Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 6:50 PM

http://www.ips-dc.org/projects/newinternat.htm

"PALESTINE - The Project's work is based on a commitment to ending Israel's occupation and realizing Palestinian national rights, including the right to an independent and viable state. The three areas include U.S. policy towards the Palestinians, Europe's role in the Middle East peace process, and the role of the UN and international law.

Early Project work has included holding a conference on alternatives to a "two-state" solution for Palestinian nationalism, including Palestinian scholars and analysts from the West Bank and Gaza, as well as numerous U.S. Palestinian and American counterparts."

What's wrong with this picture? No Israelis on the Project. Now, shouldn't they have some say in what happens in the Middle East? Apparently the Institute doesn't think so.

No wonder Hex thinks the IPS is a credible source. It doesn't think Israel should have anything to do with her destiny.

Face it...the IPS is just another bunch of Bush- and Israel-bashing lefty "intellectuals".

Hex also fails to include some numbers in his breathless condemnation of Israel.

From Amnest International, http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/ENGMDE020052002:

"In the period from 29 September 2000 to the end of August 2002, some 1700 Palestinians, including more than 250 children, were killed, and more than 580 Israelis, most of them civilians and including 72 children, were killed.(2)"

Why is it, Hex, that you NEVER mention the number of children killed by Palestinians?

Something else, Hex: You inflated your numbers. You claim AI says, "... the Israeli army has killed more than 2,200 Palestinians, including 400 children."

But in the link I posted (seems you always forget the link...hmmm), AI says, "some 1700 Palestinians, including more than 250 children, were killed".

You, Hex Anon w/Encryption, are now PROVEN to be a liar.

Go ahead...try to defend yourself.

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August 2002 - it's old you idiot

by Hex anon w/ encryption Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 7:12 PM

August 2002 - it's o...
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the data I've posted is current - yours is 2 years ago

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fresca

by fresca Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 7:16 PM

"Go ahead...try to defend yourself. "

I predict on one the following.


A] A picture.

B]Some unrelated c and p job condeming the Liberty incident.

C] More gibberish about all of us "trolls" being some guy named Jerry.

D] another of his installment on the nefarious Israeli use of those radio transmitters or whatever they hell they are.

No where will there be mention of dead Isareli children or any talk of peace that doesn't include Isareli genocide.

I'm starting to think hex might be David Duke or some such ilk.

Very racist and none too bright.
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some such ilk

by Hex anon w/ encryption Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 7:23 PM

some such ilk...
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here's my ilk
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Fair enough...

by ;lkjlkjh Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 7:26 PM

...I retract my charge and offer my apologies.

See how easy that is?

You ought to try it sometime.

Cheap shots aside, my apology is sincere, Hex.

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You ought to try it sometime

by Hex anon w/ encryption Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 7:29 PM

You ought to try it ...
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why - do you have a reason in mind ?

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fresca

by fresca Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 7:30 PM

Still trying to dodge the bullet.

You HATE Israel.

You've referred to Israeli's as "babykillers".

You've never even hinted at the existence of "palestinian" vilolence.

This is too good.

I love watching you squirm.

Stick a fork in your ass...you're done.

BTW. Those Amnesty International figures which you did inflate...check out the current figures are skewed anyway.

You know that they include ONLY Isareli deaths from terrorism, YET they include ALL "plaestinian" deaths including those revenge killings at the hands of other "palestinians" AND they include the suicide bombers themselves.

You've found a good source for your racism.

Whatd'ya say "babykiller"?
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fresca

by fresca Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 7:34 PM

In as much as Zionism is simply the belief that Jews of the diaspora should have a homeland of their own, why do you suppose these handful of Jews above would be against that?

Hmmmm.

Maybe for the same reasons that some Americans, like Meyer for instance, are openly supporting the death of our soldiers in Iraq and the end of our way of life.

Maybe there are a few scumbags like this in every culture.
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leave my ass out of it please

by Hex anon w/ encryption Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 7:38 PM

> You've referred to Israeli's as "babykillers".

again show us where...



> Those Amnesty International figures / are skewed anyway

I see

and the hundreds of photographs ???

wanna see

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You don't hink yo have reason to apologize?

by ;lkjkjhjkh Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 7:45 PM

Why no mention of Israeli kids killed by Palestinian terrorism, Hex?

Kids like Avia Malka, a nine-month-old baby, was killed by two Palestinians who shot and threw grenades at cars and pedestrians in Netanya on 9 March 2002. One other person was killed and about 50 people were injured, several of them seriously. The al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade claimed responsibility for the attack.

Please justify this death for me, Hex. I assume you can, since you have made no effort whatsoever to condemn actions such as this.

What harm did a 9-month-old baby do to the Palestinian cause? How could she be considered anything other than completely innocent? Unless, of course, as al-Aqsa, Hamas, and other such boys' clubs belive, that being Jewish is crime enough.

How 'bout it, Hex? One more chance to redeem your humanity. Say these words: "I deplore and condemn the murder of innocents...even the Israeli ones."

Come on, you can do it. Or can you?

BTW...what's with all the photos of anti-Zionist Jews?

Are they the only ones you tolerate?

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Say these words, ...

by Hex anon w/ encryption Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 7:50 PM

Say these words, ......
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ladies first
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fresca

by fresca Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 8:03 PM

"again show us where... "

Are you fucking nuts?

I did already on this same thread...and you know that.

What a pathetic attempt to dodge.

And please show where you're getting your fiqures from.

C'mon "babykiller Jewhater".
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Yep. That's what I thought.

by ;jhiug Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 8:07 PM

Hex has officially given up his humanity.

He refuses to condemn the murder of a nine-month-old girl.

This is not one of those "shades of gray" areas the Left is so fond of because it's afraid to make an ethical decision. This is a purely black-and-white issue. If you don't condemn a child's murder, you obviously must approve of it.

Apparently Hex approves of it.

Why? What about her would cause him to want her dead?

She's occupying Palestinian territory? No, she certainly had no choice about where she lived. Hmmm...she's Jewish, maybe?

Your denials are meaningless. And as the father of 2 little girls, you sicken me.

How 'bout it, Hex? Would you be willing to give up your daughter to be part of someone's political statement?

You seem to be awful quick to spend other peoples' daughters' lives.

I don't know why I bother. You sit there posting pictures, convinced that your opinion is the only one possible, and you can't even say that it's wrong to kill children. No, that's incorrect. You can't say it's wrong to kill JEWISH children.

Arrogant. Arrogant and hateful. And you refuse to admit it.

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tap tap tap squeeeel

by Hex anon w/ encryption Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 8:12 PM

tap tap tap squeeeel...
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HELLO is this thing on ?

Amnesty International



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fresca

by fresca Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 8:14 PM

"and the hundreds of photographs ??? "

Are you actually trying to say that because I or NA or any of the other nonracist people around here aren't obsessed with collecting and posting pictures of "palestinian" atrocities that they don't exist?

C'mon, you're not that stupid.

Obviously there are just as many pics of dead and mutilated Israeli's courtesy of "palestinian" terrorists as there are your weird and morbid taste.
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fresca

by fresca Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 8:17 PM

Amazing!

He's actually too stupid to even realize that we're laughing at how ridiculous he is.

Hex. The "babykiller jewhater".

LOL!The funny thing is, is that he's probably too stupid to realize that his heroes in Star Trek are Jews.

Thjat could lead to some uncomfortable moments at the next trekkie convention when hex shows up in his SS uniform.
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"Obviously"

by Hex anon w/ encryption Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 8:19 PM

"Obviously"...
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> Obviously there are just as many pics of dead and mutilated Israeli's


then post them here - now

or better yet put them all into a single zip or rar as a file D/L and I'll be happy to add them to the archive

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fresca

by fresca Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 8:23 PM

"then post them here - now "

Find your own. You do the work.

You know they're out there.

You're the one collecting them to jerk off to.

BTW. Do you realize how juvenile you make yourself out to be when you actually try to prove that pics of dead Israeli's don't exist by challenging me to post them all NOW?

What an ass.
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"find your own" because you jerk off to yours ?

by Hex anon w/ encryption Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 8:35 PM

"find your own&...
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> You do the work. You know they're out there.

I have - and all the one's I've found are Palestinian...







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fresca

by fresca Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 8:58 PM

fresca...
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"I have - and all the one's I've found are Palestinian... "

Now you're just being childish.

Clearly, hundreds of Israeli's are murdered every year by "palestinian" terrorists.

Are you actually saying more pics like this don't exist?

That they just don't take pictures of this?

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AAAHHH

by debt-free Saturday, Jan. 24, 2004 at 11:52 PM

50 fucking comments between the same two people. WTF!?!?! and you've done this on other posts too. why don't you guys call each other up or something? it's a little interesting at first, then hilarious, but ultimately repetitive and boring. don't you guys get tired of this? hex with the damn pictures, and fresca nonbrain whatever with nothing new to say. it's ridiculous. don't you guys have family or jobs or something?
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pictures are good

by Hex anon w/ encryption Sunday, Jan. 25, 2004 at 1:57 AM

People post sets of them all the time - like the vons strike pics posted recently

and this touches on an important point - I wouldn't bother to post at all if it wasn't for the chance to show the pictures

by your attitude one gets the impression you don't like the pictures or that anyone trolls attack is to blame for defending himself with facts - pictures show them very nicely

so if I make stupid comments over the von strike pictures you would bitch about the person who posted them ?

and what about the video ? 6.mb per 30 seconds X 2 - how many pictures is that ?

84 pics is 5.6mb I just checked..

so a couple of 30 sec video clips is more BW than my entire collection - which I havent posted yet, even spread out over months and not just today

I also offered and suggested putting them in a single zip or rar... (look above)

I realize being honest enough to post as even a known handle is too much for some people and insted we get underhanded spineless sour grape ad hoc - now that's really "worthwhile" isn't it ?

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Here's some photographic facts for you, Hex.

by ;lklkjlg Sunday, Jan. 25, 2004 at 1:22 PM

Here's some photogra...
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And more

by ;lkj;lkjhlkjh Sunday, Jan. 25, 2004 at 1:22 PM

And more...
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And more

by ;lknlkjbjvb Sunday, Jan. 25, 2004 at 1:23 PM

And more...
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And more

by lknlkjgbhg Sunday, Jan. 25, 2004 at 1:24 PM

And more...
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And more

by ;lkkjhjlk Sunday, Jan. 25, 2004 at 1:25 PM

And more...
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And more

by ;lkhkjhkjg Sunday, Jan. 25, 2004 at 1:26 PM

And more...
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And more

by ;lkjkjhkjg Sunday, Jan. 25, 2004 at 1:28 PM

And more...
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And more

by ;lkjkjhkljhg Sunday, Jan. 25, 2004 at 1:29 PM

And more...
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And more

by ;lkjhjgjhg Sunday, Jan. 25, 2004 at 1:30 PM

And more...
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And more

by kljkjhlkjh Sunday, Jan. 25, 2004 at 1:32 PM

And more...
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Now, Hex...

by ;lkj;lkhkh Sunday, Jan. 25, 2004 at 1:34 PM

...are you ready to admit the truth?

That those you support are murderers, with no regard for the age or innocence of their victims?

Are you ready to condemn terrorism?

Are ready to regain your humanity?

Somehow, I get the feeling the answer to all those questions is "no".

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fresca

by fresca Sunday, Jan. 25, 2004 at 2:25 PM

Hex has been shown to be a flat out racist.

He refers to Isareli's as "babykillers" and denies that "palestinians" commit ANY violence towards Jews.

Mainly because to him Jews don't count.

This has all been clearly documented. Just scroll up this and many other threads.
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as I said - pictures are good

by Hex anon w/ encryption Sunday, Jan. 25, 2004 at 5:09 PM

as I said - pictures...
kids_throwing_rocks_at_tank2.jpg, image/jpeg, 647x800

See I knew you could do it..

now post some Palestinian TANKS, JETS AND CHOPPERS victims


then we'll talk

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Who is dumber: Hex or Meyer London?

by Sheepdog's Owner Sunday, Jan. 25, 2004 at 5:24 PM

Q. Who is dumber: Hex or Meyer London?

A. It's a tie.

Q. I there anyone dumber than those two?

A. There is only one person on planet Earth dumber than those two. That would be Noam Chomsky. However, Michael Moore is a strong contender. He's at least their equal when it comes to dumb.
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fresca

by fresca Sunday, Jan. 25, 2004 at 5:35 PM

"now post some Palestinian TANKS, JETS AND CHOPPERS victims "


Is that supposed to mean something?

There will never be anything as inhumane, vicious and barbaric as the patented Islamist suicide bomber.

Tanks , jets and Choppers are veritable instruments of peace comparitively.

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Tanks, jets, or choppers?

by ;lkjhjhg Monday, Jan. 26, 2004 at 2:51 PM

Tanks, jets, or chop...
pals_laujnching_mortars_at_israeli_town.jpg, image/jpeg, 300x170

How about indiscriminate mortar attacks?

Or do you think that someone killed by a nail-wrapped Semtex vest somehow less dead than someone killed by a missile?

Please explain this to me.

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it's not the pictures

by underhanded spineless sour grape Tuesday, Jan. 27, 2004 at 2:22 PM

it's the inane warblings that i'm sure everyone gets tired of. it's just the same shit, over and over again. you'll question something in an article, and fresca will say it's because you hate jews; you'll post a couple of pictures, fresca has some more shit to say about how you're delusional....you'll give a link, more pictures....and fresca/non/whatever just keeps on going, and at first it was funny/interesting.....but now it's like, whatever. get over yourselves.

and are they really all the same person?
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fresca

by fresca Wednesday, Jan. 28, 2004 at 6:02 PM

I keep attcking hex because he IS a fucking racist.

I know it's hard for you fools on the left to realize how utterly racist , anti-semetic and hateful most of you are (that's the supreme irony of this place..it's ALWAYS the lefties who accuse all those in the middle and on the right of being hateful and it's nonsense) but Hex is a fucking JEW hating monster.

1) He's on many occasions reffered to Isarelis as "babykillers" .

2) He's posted pics of verified Hamas murders and claimed they were at the hands of Jews.

3) He's glorified and supported the violence against Jews from "palestinian" terrorist groups.

4) he claims to be compassionate and concerned about humane treatment but he's comfortabley oblivious to ALL inhumanity in the Middle East unless it's from the hands of Israel.

5) He's completely uninterested in discussing possible peace solutions..even when confronted with lists of Isarels wrongs from supporters of Israel.

Face it, you're backing a racist. His links are nonexistent at worst and useless at best as they always lead to still more antisemetic conspiracy garbage or on of the millions of unverified webpages which cover almost the entirety of the internet from all politiucal viewpoints.

He's a monster.

Beyond the entertainment value in his crazy conspiracy theories about "jerry" and "Ned" and his evidently limited knowledge of IP detection he remains a hateful racist nazi.

Defend him if you want. Most of the few remaining leftist regulars around here are just as bad.

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