So Muammar Gaddafy has decided it would be sensible to play nice and hand over all his nasty weapons. I guess those pictures of Saddam in his rathole really spooked him.

Any secret deals I should be aware of??

will israel hand over its WMD>?????

Israel has never attacked any of it's neighbours. It is a democracy, a free country and an ally of the US.

So why, pray tell??

Brian wants there to be nothing to stop the cowardly Arabs from wiping out the Jews.

buh,buh,buh,Barney asked...

"Why? Israel has never attacked any of it's neighbours. It is a democracy, a free country and an ally of the US."

Isreal has attacked and/or occupied pretty much all of its neighbors, at one time or another. It illegally occupied southern Lebanon for 20 years, and of course it's continuing to illegally occupy and annex Palestine... but you don't know that because you live on Mars, right?

Israel is a racist and apartheid state, armed with more WMD's by far than any other Mideast country, and it's no friend to the US. Isreal continuously spies on us, has stolen our military secrets and sold them to our enemies, and its military has killed Americans, as well. The double standard we apply in our dealings with the Israelis and Arabs is beyond belief.

"This web site is dedicated to the memory of thirty-four fine young men who gave their lives on June 8, 1967, defending the USS Liberty against a sustained air and sea attack by the armed forces of the State of Israel."

http://www.ussliberty.org/

American Rachel Corrie, 23, was killed on 16 March, 2003, when she was intentionally run over by an Israeli bulldozer. Rachel was trying to stop the bulldozer from demolishing the home of a Palestinian physician in the Gaza Strip.

http://www.distanceeddesign.com/rachel/

It has always been attacked first.

You know that, don't you?

Of course Israel has always been attcked first.

Try and turn history around all you want and it's still the case.

As far as Isarel killing Americans, here's the truth.

The Liberty incident has LONG been settled as a clear case of mistaken identity. We all just went through it again a couple of months ago and it's STILL a mistake. Regretable, but still a mistake.

As far as rachel goes, they were doing us a favor. Who knows what band of islamic terrorist she'd be actively helping next.

By the way, Israel can't, by definition occupy any land which is it's own to begin with. None of the land that is supposedly "palestine" is "palestinian". It's ALL legitimately Israel's since '67.

Whine all you want but there's NO getting around this.

By the way, when are you jewhaters going to ever start marching and moaning about the "occupation" of "palestinian" land by Jordan?

Never I suspect since arab on arab conflicts don't interest you.

ROFL.. You all are sooooo transparent and therefore irrelevant.

Barney lied:

"It (Israel) has always been attacked first. You know that, don't you?"

No, Barney, I sure don't. The '67 war, for example, began with an Israeli sneak attack against the Egyptian Air Force, which was sitting on the ground at the time.

"In 1967, Israel attacked Egypt, Syria & Jordan and expanded in all three directions illegally occupying the Sina Desert of Egypt, Golan Height of Syria, & The West Bank & the Gaza Strip (The remaining 22% of Palestine that Israel didn't consume in 1948). The Occupation of these territories is ILLEGAL according to the United Nations and International Law (See UN resolution 242). The Sina was given back to Egypt after the war of 1973 when the peace treaty between Israel & Egypt was signed. The territories in Palestine & Syria continue to be under illegal military occupation."

http://www.sustain-memphis.org/israel_palestine.htm

flatulent fresca chimed in with:

"Of course Israel has always been attcked first."

Not according to the Israelis themselves.

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51a/022.html

"As far as Isarel killing Americans, here's the truth."

"The Liberty incident has LONG been settled as a clear case of mistaken identity."

That's total bullshit. Israeli aircraft made low level passes over the Liberty for hours before the attack, and the pilots were heard discussing the fact that the Liberty was an American ship. The Liberty was attacked by both Israeli planes and torpedo boats, and its liferafts were even machinegunned in the water.

"During the Six Day War between Israel and the Arab States, the American intelligence ship USS Liberty was attacked for 75 minutes in international waters by Israeli aircraft and motor torpedo boats. Thirty-four men died and 172 were wounded.

Israel claims they mistook our ship for the out-of-service Egyptian horse carrier El Quseir and that we brought the attack upon ourselves by operating in a war zone without displaying a flag. Not so. We were in international waters, far from any fighting, and flew a bright, clean, new American flag."

http://www.ussliberty.org/

"As far as rachel goes, they were doing us a favor. Who knows what band of islamic terrorist she'd be actively helping next."

You're a sick fuck, "fresca." Have you licked Sharon's boots today?

EVERGREEN STATE COLLEGE

OLYMPIA, WASHINGTON

Rachel Corrie

1979–2003

Rachel was known to many in the Olympia community. She grew up here and graduated from Capital High School. She was actively involved in many area activities. Rachel is described by faculty and staff as a shining star, a wonderful student and a brave person of deep convictions.

We have been in contact with and extend deepest condolences to the Corrie family. We are in the process of contacting the many faculty members with whom Rachel worked. As more information about memorial services becomes available, we will share it with you.

http://www.evergreen.edu/news/mar03/rachelcorrie.htm

"By the way, Israel can't, by definition occupy any land which is it's own to begin with. None of the land that is supposedly "palestine" is "palestinian". It's ALL legitimately Israel's since '67."

Not according to the UN and international law - you know, the same reasons Bush cited for going to war against Iraq. (except that Iraq had complied with the UN, unlike Israel) Not only does Israel continue to occupy Palestine in violation of UN resolutions, it

continues to annex more land and commit atrocities against the Palestinians.

I noticed that neither you or "Barney" chose to address the issue of Israeli espionage against the United States. It's quite a lengthy list, isn't it?

quickly...



1967 Israel fired the first shot in the war. A war which was a forgone certainty as Egypt, Syria and Jordan conspired to attck Israel together. Their trrops were on Israel's borders. That Israel, quite brilliantly, staved off this mass attck by hitting Egypts airforce first was hardly Israel starting the war. stop being such a shill for the humiliated arab world and read AND understand history.

Which brings us to the "occupation". Because of this failed attempt at genocide on the part of Israel's three arab neighbors, Egypt forfieted Gaza, Syria forfeited Golen Heights and Jordan forfeited the West Bank. The UN, with it's host of transparent jew hating nations can whine all they want. These lands are unquestionably Israel's. No rational argument can be made aginst this idea. Hide behind resolutions all you want. By the way, Iraq did NOT meet ANY UN resolutions, but you already know that. Even the last one mandating inspectors AGAIN was not met fully. So what? We went to war for a host of reasons. If Iraq's dismal UN resolution record made the war more palatable for UN fans (fools) like yourself then so be it.

As for the liberty...listen to the tapes and read the transcripts..you know what I mean....mistaken identity..old news.



As for rachel...it's Christmas so I'll be kind...i wish she were alive...in America...having had a change of heart and decided that it's not humane to openly support and aid terrorists like hamas et.al. which she was CLEARLY doing when she committed suicide by soldier.

Terrorist Admirer scrawled:

"I think Ariel Sharon is the best leader they've had to date. He's very strong and highly objective. For instance, he knows that Arafat is a terrorist and treats him as such."

Takes one to know one, huh? Sharon is a bloodthirsty, murderous pig.

Return of the Terrorist

The Crimes of Ariel Sharon

Sharon's history offers a monochromatic record of moral corruption, with a documented record of war crimes going back to the early 1950s... Sharon also oversaw the infamous massacres at Sabra and Shatilla refugee camps.

http://www.counterpunch.org/sharon.html

"Best of all, Sharon has taken exactly the right approach to dealing with Hamas and other terrorist organizations -- hunt down their leaders like the dogs that they are and exterminate them."

You mean the same Hamas that Israel helped to create in the first place?

Hamas history tied to Israel

Israel and Hamas may currently be locked in deadly combat, but, according to several current and former U.S. intelligence officials, beginning in the late 1970s, Tel Aviv gave direct and indirect financial aid to Hamas over a period of years.

http://www.upi.com/print.cfm?StoryID=18062002-051845-8272r

Israeli Roots of Hamas Are Being Exposed

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2002/2902isr_hamas.html

Why don't you try using your brain and arguing the facts rather than blindly C&Ping from dodgy websites.

Barney bullshitted us with:

"It (Israel) has always been attacked first. You know that, don't you?"

You shills ought to get together and get your propaganda worked out. ;-)

"well of course" (fresca) contradicted him with:

"1967 Israel fired the first shot in the war."

So Barney lied, eh?

"A war which was a forgone certainty..."

No war is a foregone certainty until the first shot is fired, and those scary Egyptian units near Israel's border at the time weren't strong enough to pose much of a threat, which the Israelis and US intelligence knew.

"The UN, with it's host of transparent jew hating nations can whine all they want. These lands are unquestionably Israel's. No rational argument can be made aginst this idea."

Not according to Jews Against Zionism... (of course, they're no doubt anti-Semitic Jews, right?)

"The Zionists have no right of any sovereignty over even one inch of the Holy Land. They do not represent the Jewish people in any way whatsoever. They have no right to speak in the name of the Jewish people. Therefore, their words, declarations and actions are not in any way representative of the Jewish people. This is because the Zionists' seizing of power over the Holy Land is antithetical to Jewish law, and also because the Zionists do not behave like Jews at all rather, they desecrate the sanctity of the land."

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

"By the way, Iraq did NOT meet ANY UN resolutions, but you already know that."

No, I don't know that, because I study the facts. You're as full of shit as your pal Barney.

"Even the last one mandating inspectors AGAIN was not met fully."

Oh, really? How so?

"So what? We went to war for a host of reasons."

If you call oil and Israel a host of reasons, then you're correct.

"If Iraq's dismal UN resolution record made the war more palatable for UN fans (fools) like yourself then so be it."

You have to say that, don't you, since Israel currently stands in violation of about 80 UN resolutions. By all rights, the US should be invading and bombing Israel right now, if we're really concerned about violations of international law and possession of WMD's. (other than US WMD's, of course)

"While Bush uses the fact that Saddam Hussein has not complied with UN resolutions as an excuse to launch his ``pre-emptive" war, here is a list of dozens of UN resolutions that Israel has not complied with.

http://www.musalman.com/news/musalman-UN%20resolutions%20against%20Israel.htm

"As for the liberty...listen to the tapes and read the transcripts..you know what I mean....mistaken identity..old news."

You Israeli shills would like it to be old news, I'm sure, swept under the carpet, but the story isn't going away.

http://www.ussliberty.org/

"As for rachel...it's Christmas so I'll be kind..."

Do you observe Christmas?

"i wish she were alive...in America...having had a change of heart and decided that it's not humane to openly support and aid terrorists like hamas et.al."

Israel supported Hamas, but I know you can't link Rachel to it.

"Israel and Hamas may currently be locked in deadly combat, but, according to several current and former U.S. intelligence officials, beginning in the late 1970s, Tel Aviv gave direct and indirect financial aid to Hamas over a period of years."

http://www.upi.com/print.cfm?StoryID=18062002-051845-8272r

Israeli Roots of Hamas Are Being Exposed

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2002/2902isr_hamas.html

"which she was CLEARLY doing when she committed suicide by soldier."

Like I said, you're as full of shit as your pal Barney. You're so patriotic, too, excusing away Israeli murders of Americans. "Oh well, it's OK for them to kill US citizens, they're Israelis, after all."

American Rachel Corrie, 23, was killed on 16 March, 2003, when she was intentionally run over by an Israeli bulldozer. Rachel was trying to stop the bulldozer from demolishing the home of a Palestinian physician in the Gaza Strip.

http://www.distanceeddesign.com/rachel/

How long do you think US taxpayers should be obligated to keep Israel afloat, by the way? Would you like to discuss Israeli espionage against the US? Are you one of Jonathan Pollard's pen pals?

http://www.rense.com/general32/sdsi.htm

With "friends" like Israel, who needs enemies?

How sweet it is to be correct . Especially when it makes jackasses like you so upset.

Of course the six day war was initiated by the arabs. That Israel fired first is testement to her superior miltary command and nothing else.

The rest of your rebuttal is more rehashing of your nonsense. The liberty especially.

And, again, as for rachel. Fuck her. She decided to aid and abet terrorists. There's no getting around it.

Oh and of course Israel initially helped Hamas in the 70's. Why? Because they were very much opposed to arafat who was and is a terrorist. So what?

They sure as hell haven't supported them for decades.

Unless sending these subhumans to their 27 virgins is supporting them.

You're just plain on the wrong side of all of this bozo.

To recap.

Filthy arabs started and QUICKLY lost the six day war....

In doing so they, by all reasonable standards, forfieted the territories of GAza, WB and Golen Heights to Israel...

The Liberty attack was a case of mistaken identity as far as any of us can tell given the objective evidence (radio com tapes ) we have.

Rachel was at best a misguided overly-priveledged fool of a girl and at worst a direct supporter of terrorists.

Her death is hardly regrettable.

Merry Christmas..

The gift of learning I give to you.

fresca enlightened us with:

"...as for rachel. Fuck her... of course Israel initially helped Hamas... subhumans... Filthy arabs...

The gift of learning I give to you."

The "gift of learning" you're giving to us is the realization that Zionists are every bit as racist as Nazis, and that they think nothing of killing the stupid Americans they've duped into giving them billions of dollars every year. That's exactly the point I'm trying to make. Thank you for helping.

The Israeli government and military receive ,139,178 from the U.S. every day. Why?

If Americans Knew

http://ifamericansknew.org/

"The Zionists have no right of any sovereignty over even one inch of the Holy Land. They do not represent the Jewish people in any way whatsoever. They have no right to speak in the name of the Jewish people. Therefore, their words, declarations and actions are not in any way representative of the Jewish people. This is because the Zionists' seizing of power over the Holy Land is antithetical to Jewish law, and also because the Zionists do not behave like Jews at all rather, they desecrate the sanctity of the land."

Jews Against Zionism

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

"The Israeli government and military receive ,139,178 from the U.S. every day. Why? "

I agree that it should be more but it's a start.

Flat out...the culture of militant and fascist Islam has waged war on us and all of the civilized world. Virtually every "hotspot" of violence and atrocity in the world involves the aggression of muslims. Scant few don't.

Israel has been fighting this war against these subhuman forces for decades. They are the ONLY democratic civilized society and true American ally in that whole area of the world. That they are on the frontlines of this war which has been brought to us is certainly reason enough to give them unlimited aid.

Of course you won't believe this because you hate Jews and America equally (why else would you be only concerned with "palestinian" lives...why the utter unconcern with the heaps of arab on arab slavery and abuse and atrocity).

Face it, if your DEAD hero rachel actually cared about actual human rights in the arab world, she would have been in Syria or Sudan or Saudi Arabia fighting for REAL oppressed arabs. But she and the whole of ISM know that they wouldn't stand a chance in those societies. They'd be IMMEDIATELY set upon and skewered by arabs with NO regard for human life OR international media.

You are a racist fool.

Thankfully your views are irrelevant.

I believe Isarel recieved their check for the day.

"because I'm a Zionist" wrote:

"Flat out...the culture of militant and fascist Zionism has waged war on us and all of the civilized world. Virtually every "hotspot" of violence and atrocity in the world involves the aggression of Zionists. Scant few don't."

I might agree with you on that, but I don't know about the rest of your propaganda...

"Israel has been fighting this war against these subhuman forces for decades."

It's interesting to see you Zionists using the same terminology (subhuman "Untermensch") as your mentors, the Nazis.

"They are the ONLY democratic civilized society and true American ally in that whole area of the world."

Israel is neither a democracy nor an ally of America. In fact, it's probably America's worst enemy.

"That they are on the frontlines of this war which has been brought to us"

Who is "us?" You sound like an agent of a foreign government.

"is certainly reason enough to give them unlimited aid."

We've been keeping Apartheid Israel afloat with our tax dollars for half a century, now. Obviously, you'll latch on to any excuse to support the idea that we need to feed the leach our blood (literally) forever.

"Of course you won't believe this because you hate Jews and America equally"

That's from page one of the Zionist handbook, isn't it?

"If anyone questions giving billions of dollars to us every year, scream that they hate Jews!"

"(why else would you be only concerned with

"palestinian" lives...why the utter unconcern with the heaps of arab on arab slavery and abuse and atrocity).

Maybe I just like to stick up for "subhumans," you Nazi prick. From page two of the Zionist handbook: "Try to distract your adversary from Israeli atrocities. Point out

the flaws in Arab societies as a contrast, but don't mention US government support for Saudi Arabia or other dictatorships. Especially, don't bring up the business ties between the Bush family and the Saudis

or bin Ladens. Bush is our dupe, so we musn't critisize him directly."

"Face it, if your DEAD hero rachel actually cared about actual human rights in the arab world, she would have been in Syria or Sudan or Saudi Arabia fighting for REAL oppressed arabs."

You're pretty happy that the IDF murdered Rachel, aren't you? "How dare anyone stand up to us Zionists, and draw attention to our crimes?" How many Saudis or Syrians are going without food and water, or having their homes demolished and children gunned down by their governments?

"But she and the whole of ISM know that they wouldn't stand a chance in those societies. They'd be IMMEDIATELY set upon and skewered by arabs with NO regard for human life OR international media."

Could that be any worse than being crushed by an Israeli bulldozer, ya think?

"You are a racist fool."

Stop talking to the mirror.

"Thankfully your views are irrelevant. I believe Isarel recieved their check for the day."

Welfare for warmongers? Israel recieved its check today, but we'll see about tomorrow.

Stop US Tax-funded Aid to Israel Now! SUSTAIN

http://www.sustain-memphis.org/stop_israel.html

The Israeli government and military receive ,139,178 from the U.S. every day. Why?

If Americans Knew

http://ifamericansknew.org/

USS Liberty Memorial

This web site is dedicated to the memory of thirty-four fine young men who gave their lives on June 8, 1967, defending the USS Liberty against a sustained air and sea attack by the armed forces of the State of Israel

http://www.ussliberty.org/

International Peace Activists are not the first victims of Israeli aggression; They join hundreds of thousands of murdered, maimed, crippled, & tortured Palestinian Civilians living under illegal Israeli military occupation.

http://www.sustain-memphis.org/index.htm

In Hebron, 85% of the water is given to about 400 Israeli settlers, while 15% is divided among Hebron's 120,000 Palestinians.

Only illegal Jewish settlers can get permits to buy or lease land in the occupied territories. Israeli Citizens can colonize Palestinian Land; yet Palestinians cannot buy land within Israel.

Palestinian license plates in the occupied territories are color coded to distinguish Jews from non-Jews.

In 2003, Israel passed a law forcing Palestinians & Israelis who get married to live completely seperate lives, by preventing Palestinians married to Israelis from gaining Israeli citizenship or residency. The Geneva based Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination at the UN unanimously approved a resolution saying the Israeli law violated an international human rights treaty.

http://www.sustain-memphis.org/palestine_facts.html

Jews Against Zionism

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

"The Zionists have no right of any sovereignty over even one inch of the Holy Land. They do not represent the Jewish people in any way whatsoever. They have no right to speak in the name of the Jewish people. Therefore, their words, declarations and actions are not in any way representative of the Jewish people. This is because the Zionists' seizing of power over the Holy Land is antithetical to Jewish law, and also because the Zionists do not behave like Jews at all rather, they desecrate the sanctity of the land."

Former Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, was asked what the 9-11 terrorist strikes would mean for US-Israeli relations - "It’s very good."