Criticizing Zionism - It's Forbidden To Say Such Things

By Kurt Nimmo

CounterPunch.org

10-23-3

It's okay to call Muslims worshippers of Satan.

 

That's essentially what far right Armageddon happy Lt. Gen. Boykin -- newly appointed deputy undersecretary of defense for intelligence -- did recently. It seems to be okay with Rumsfeld, Boykin's boss. It's more than okay for the likes of Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, and other Islam-hating Christian-Zionists. For them, denigrating Muslims is an industry.

 

"That's the way we live," Rummy told reporters Thursday during a Pentagon news briefing. "We're a free people. And that's the wonderful thing about our country. And I think that for anyone to run around and think that that can be managed and controlled is probably wrong... Saddam Hussein could do it pretty well, because he'd go around killing people if they said things he didn't like."

 

Of course, it depends who you criticize.

 

Remarks of Malaysian prime minister Mahathir Mohamad aside, there is a campaign to portray criticism of Zionist state violence against essentially defenseless Palestinians as creeping anti-Semitism. "Liberals and leftists, traditional champions of the underdog, engage en masse in a form of fashionable, politically correct anti-Semitism by condemning Israel's 'racist,' 'apartheid,' 'Nazi' regime, portraying the tiny Jewish state (with 0.1 percent of the Mideast land mass) as the brutal aggressor Goliath, while casting the Arab world (with 99.9 percent of the land, and all of the oil) as David," writes Whistleblower Magazine.

 

Never mind that it's true -- Israel is a racist state.

 

Can you imagine the outcry if Americans passed a law denying citizenship to people of African descent who marry US citizens? The Israeli Knesset passed just such a law July 31, forcing Palestinians who marry Israelis to live "separate and unequal" lives from their spouses. "This law comes to address a security issue," Gideon Ezra, an Israeli cabinet minister, declared. "Since September 2000 we have seen a significant connection, in terror attacks, between Arabs from the West Bank and Gaza and Israeli Arabs."

 

Get the connection here? Arabs are a "security issue," they are terrorists -- all of them, from the Hamas suicide bomber to the Israeli Arab grocer.

 

In fact, the state of Israel is predicated on racism and religious exclusivity. Consider Israel's 1950 law of return, which allows any person "born to a Jewish mother," or one "who converts to Judaism and who is not a member of another religion," to immigrate to Israel. "The fourth basic law is Israel's status law, which gives Israel's citizens with 'Jewish nationality' certain rights and privileges which are denied to Israel's citizens with 'Arab nationality,'" writes Shaw J. Dallal. "Chief among these rights is the ownership or use of the very land which was expropriated from the Palestinians."

 

But it's not simply Arabs who are discriminated against in Israel, but all Gentiles.

 

"I had personally witnessed an ultra-religious Jew refuse to allow his phone to be used on the Sabbath in order to call an ambulance for a non-Jew who happened to collapse in his Jerusalem neighborhood," wrote Israel Shahak, a Hebrew University professor. The Rabbinical Court of Jerusalem ruled that the man had acted properly.

 

"We need to recognize that in Israel the real issue is discrimination not only against the Palestinians (including those who serve in the Israeli army, police and [the Israeli counter-intelligence and internal security service] Shabak), but against all non-Jews. This discrimination has the same character as that which the anti-Semites want to apply against the Jews," wrote Shahak. "Until the beginning of the Jewish Enlightenment all Jews firmly believed that non-Jews should be discriminated against whenever possible. It now turns out that the Jewish Enlightenment failed to change the attitudes of all, or perhaps even of most, Jews in this respect. Many completely irreligious Jews still believe that for the sake of the Jewish tradition which commanded discrimination against non-Jews, the latter should be discriminated against in the 'Jewish state' forever."

 

It's forbidden to say such things.

 

Simply pointing out the reality of state-sanctioned Israeli racism against non-Jews is considered anti-Semitic. "The Left continues to spin out this 'Good Jew/Bad Jew' dichotomy in its baseless distinction between Judaism and Zionism," writes David Rosen, a professor of anthropology and law at Fairleigh Dickison University. "The return to Zion is a central part of Jewish discourse and cannot be exorcised from Jewish life... The crucial issue is whether the criticism respects the Jewish right of self-determination and Israel's existence as a sovereign state."

 

In other words, the theft of Palestinian land and the murder of Palestinian children "cannot be exorcised from Jewish life" and criticism of it disrespects "the Jewish right of self-determination and Israel's existence as a sovereign state."

 

Bush and Rumsfeld are promoting Zionist racism with the appointment of Lt. Gen. Boykin, who likes to go around saying the Judaic-based God adopted by the Christian-Zionists is better than Allah (according to Boykin, Muslims worship an "idol" and not "a real God").

 

"According to God's distribution of nations, the Land of Israel has been given to the Jewish people as an everlasting covenant," declares the Third International Christian Zionist Congress. "The Jewish people have the absolute right to possess and dwell in the Land, including Judea, Samaria, Gaza and the Golan."

 

Remember: according to Zionists such as Yaffa Ganz (and Alan Dershowitz) before the Zionists grabbed Palestine, it was "a poverty stricken, forlorn, empty area." So empty was Palestine that, according to census figures taken during the British mandate, 1.3 million Palestinian Arabs lived there.

 

Simply questioning such absurdities as the Zionist slogan -- "Land without people for a people with no land" -- means you're an anti-Semite and you want to push the Jews into the sea.

 

"Are we not allowed to criticize the Jews if they do things which are wrong?" Mahathir Mohamad asked after he was accused of anti-Semitism. "If Muslims can be accused of being terrorists, then others can accuse the Jews of being terrorists also."

 

Not in America, Mahathir.

 

Ahmed Yousef and Betty Molchany: "For more than 50 years, Americans have been taught to hate through Hollywood, television, the radio, and print media. Throughout these years, more than 800 movies have depicted Arabs and Muslims unfavorably, with no positive attributes. Many television programs, such as Law and Order and The West Wing, also present negative portrayals of Arabs and Muslims. It has been an unrelenting campaign of defamation and instigation prompted and inflamed by right-wing Zionists and extremist Christian coalitions which are unconditionally allied with Israel -- no matter what crimes she commits, no matter how many UN resolutions she violates, no matter her illegal occupation of other countries, no matter her possession and use of weapons of mass destruction. The objective of both the Christian and Jewish Zionists is not only to remove all Arabs, Christian as well as Muslim, from Palestine, but also to allow Israel to control the neighboring countries. To accomplish this, these political Zionists are determined to remove the voice of Muslims in the United States and with it any support for Palestinians and neighboring Arabs. Political Zionist organizations, such as the Project for a New American Century, create unjustified fear of countries, such as Iraq, which are predominantly Muslim and push for pre-emptive attacks, assassinations, war, and domination."

 

It's forbidden to say such things... even if they're true.

 

Kurt Nimmo is a photographer and multimedia developer in Las Cruces, New Mexico. Visit his excellent blog at www.kurtnimmo.com/blogger.html . Nimmo is a contributor to Cockburn and St. Clair's, The Politics of Anti-Semitism. A collection of his essays for CounterPunch, Another Day in the Empire, will be published this fall by Dandelion Books.

 

He can be reached at: nimmo@zianet.com

http://www.counterpunch.org/nimmo10232003.html

The Truth can sometimes be very unpopular particularly when it Gores your Ox.

Speaking of Florida...

"Can you imagine the outcry if Americans passed a law denying citizenship to people of African descent who marry US citizens? "

That is hard to imagine...but then again....African Americans don't seem to have such an overwhelming propensity to blow themselves up in the middle of crowds.

You know, like those lovable "palestinians".

Our recent poll establishes that a “constituency for peace”, in fact, exists and includes vast majorities of both Arab Americans and American Jews. If politicians could but put away their misconceptions about both groups and their unfounded fears of a mythical bloc vote, they would realize that a strong base of support for peaces exists into which they could tap.

Our Findings

Two separate polls were conducted in late June and early July 2003. The Jewish American poll was commissioned by Americans for Peace Now and included 503 randomly selected respondents representing a cross-section of the American Jewish community. The Arab American poll was commissioned by the Arab American Institute and included 500 randomly selected Arab Americans representing all segments of that community. Zogby International of New York conducted both polls. The polls’ primary findings are as follows:

Palestinian State:

Both communities expressed strong support for the right of Palestinians to live in a secure and independent state of their own. Among Jewish Americans, 82% either strongly or somewhat agree with the notion of such a state. In the Arab American community, 93% either strongly or somewhat agree with the right of Palestinians to a state.

Israeli State:

When asked if Israelis have a right to live in a secure and independent state of their own, Jewish Americans almost unanimously (99.5%) either strongly or somewhat agree with the proposition, as do almost all Arab Americans (95%).

This particular article generalizes Jews by Israel's laws. That would be like saying all Americans are fascists because of the Patriot Act. However, I would challenge this author to spend a week in mainstream Israel and see how much more integrated, color wise, that Israel is over America even. There are people there, traveling and living, from all over the world. Over 140 languages are spoken there, and Israel has been known to rescue people from other countries.

Not to mention, In "Muslim" countries, in the last 10 years alone, MILLIONS of Shia kill Sunni and vice versa.

It appears to me that Israel has every right to lock out Arab racists. I am tired of seeing this sweeping grouping of Jews as "Zionists," used in the media to hide the truth that Muslims are indeed far more rascist than any other culture.

What other text explicitly says to kill "all infidels?" What other countries have problems like this except the ones bordered on Muslim States. Women don't have to wear burqas or head scarves in America either.

The pronounced will of Jews not to have to do so because of a Muslim Majority is fair. You can have Saudi Arabia and all it's oil and impoverished Muslims the way they run it.

I'll take free Israel, where everyone knows English, and terrorists are kept back behind fences to protect the secular, Christian, and Muslims who choose to own businesses with Jews in restaurants(like those who died in Haifa) safe,

any freakin day!

Sorry, but screaming racism doesn't work when you're a friggin racist culture yourself.

...but I think that the Israeli "Jim Crow" Laws do not exactly reflect well on Israeli's.

Not all Southerners supported Jim Crow Laws but nevertheless they remained on the books until enough good people stood up in opposition. If Ordinary Israeli's wish to reclaim their honor and good name it is well past time to stand up in opposition.

It is not a pretty scene, the Palestinians are not without fault, but I do not recall them planting Typhus in Water supplies. Arafat is a Terrorist Scumbag but then so is Sharon. Two Peas in a rotten Pod.

I have good friends who are from Israel and I thought one summed it up nicely: "It's crazy over there". His family lives here now.

>>What other text explicitly says to kill "all infidels?" >>:

the torah:deut 20,16:

"god" orders moses to holocaust the palestinians:

"but if they refuse (to be enslaved,my note) and engage you in battle,lay siege to that city...utterly destroy them...the children,the livestock...DON'T LEAVE ALIVE ANYTHING THAT BREATHES".

MEIN KAMPF WAS A JOKE IN COMPARISON.

...that no one is preaching that passage from the Torah every Sabbath.

Unlike similar passages that get preached every Friday in mosques throughout the world.

Deut in the bible says the same sort of thing. It misleading to pretend its just the Tora.

the torah and the pentateuch are exactly the same thing,that is the first five books of the christian bible - genesis exodus leviticus numbers and deuteronomy - except jews call it torah.

whether you call it torah or bible,it's just the same mein kampf for judeochristian nazis.

2 horrible genocidal religions from the same root.

>>Unlike similar passages that get preached every Friday in mosques throughout the world.>>:

will you please quote the passages and provide proof that they get preached every friday etc.

or else shut up next time.

>>no one is preaching that passage from the Torah every Sabbath.>>:

i dunno - and neither do you - but i do know that much worse has just happened in jerusalem,king david hotel:

a wannsee konferenz of world judeonazi massmurderers of the caliber of richard perle doug feith etc who preached to the 4 winds how great israel is god-base.d..

which is unfortunately true if one looks at the torah or bible.

what fortunately is NOT necessarily true though is that such a bloody god exists at all and is not the product of twisted genocidal minds.

Islamic people have kileld people Jews have killed people christians have killed poeple and athiests have killed people in history.

For example when the leaders of atheism in certain countries were stalin and Mao then athiesm was responsible for millions of deaths.

These things seem to depend on the leaders. And those who define the meaning of the faith. At present there appear to be alot of islamic extremists who wish to use the religion for violence while at times in history there were those who used other religions for violence and particularly recently the above people who used athistic reasons as an excuse for violence.

...did they preach that Muslims should be slaughtered? Did they call for God to kill the Muslims?

No.

Yet this is a common theme from imams...that the infidels, especially Jews, be killed with whatever means; that God bring down vengeance.

This is undeniable.

oh not at all - not in the case of the torah,that's not a matter of leader interpretation at all,the text is aboslutely clear on its genocidal program:

again deut 20,16:

>>DO NOT LEAVE ALIVE ANYTHING THAT BREATHES.>>

HITLER OR STALIN OR POL POT COULDN'T HAVE PHRASED IT MORE CLEARLY.

and the fact that all religions ideologies of history or most of them have been genocidal - including us neocon liberism - does not excuse the torah.

>>...did they preach that Muslims should be slaughtered? Did they call for God to kill the Muslims?

No. >>:

perle feith and their gang of war profiteering bastards do not need to preach- they are doing it in iraq afghanistan israel etc.

moreover the preching is implicit when you affirm great israel based on the torah,as they did.

Now I get you.

You're just another stinkin' Jew-hater and apologist for Islamist terror.

Big surprise.

>>Yet this is a common theme from imams...that the infidels, especially Jews, be killed with whatever means; that God bring down vengeance.

This is undeniable.>>:

i've asked you already to provide evidence for your racist hateful baseless hogwash - to no avail,so i ask again.

moreover,you ignorant dork:

according to the koran,the jews - and christians - are not "infidels" at all - they are the people of the book - to be treated with regard - for example,their conversion is not requested.

...insults do not make up for your lack of counterarguments:

>>You're just another stinkin' Jew-hater and apologist for Islamist terror. >>:

so all that's left for you to do is go fuck yourself,scott...whoopss again,i meant paid shi...sorry,nonanarchist.

http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=18528

"The imam continues with the same theme in the second sermon. He says:

"Al-Aqsa Mosque, O Muslims, is not just a Palestinian, Arab, or Islamic

cause, but also a world cause. There will be no security or peace on earth

unless the Palestine question is settled justly by returning Al-Aqsa Mosque

to its rightful owners." "The world," he adds, "will never enjoy security

unless our children enjoy it here in Palestine. We hear statements by the

little US President. We hear unfair and tyrannical statements in which he

says Israel has the right to defend itself. These statements carry

destruction for the United States itself." "From this place," the imam says,

"we warn the American people that this President is dragging them to the

abyss."

"The imam concludes with this prayer: "O Lord, protect our people in Rafah,

Janin, and the whole of Palestine. O Lord, protect our sons and youths and

spare their blood. O Lord, O Avenger, take vengeance on Your enemies, our

enemies, and enemies of religion. O Lord, take vengeance on the Jews and

their supporters. O Lord, take vengeance on the Jews and their allies. O

Lord, take vengeance for the blood of our martyrs. O Lord, take vengeance

for our deported people."

http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=18383

Concluding, the imam prays to God: "O God, strengthen Islam and Muslims,

disappoint infidelity and infidels, destroy the enemies of Islam. O God,

grant safety to this country and the other Islamic countries. O God, give

success to the Muslims' leaders." He goes on: "O God, support Mujahidin

everywhere. O God, help our brothers in Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan,

Kashmir, and Chechnya score victory. O God, destroy the unjust Christians. O

God, destroy their rule and disperse them. O God, destroy the unjust Jews. O

God, destroy the unjust, usurper Jews. O God, disperse them and shake the

ground under them."

http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=4833

"O brother believers, the criminals, the terrorists are the Jews, who have

butchered our children, orphaned them, widowed our women and desecrated our

holy places and sacred sites. They are the terrorists. They are the ones

who must be butchered and killed, as Allah the Almighty said: 'Fight them:

Allah will torture them at your hands, and will humiliate them and will help

you to overcome them, and will relieve the minds of the believers...."

"Have no mercy on the Jews, no matter where they are, in any country. Fight

them, wherever you are. Wherever you meet them, kill them. Wherever you

are, kill those Jews and those Americans who are like them and those who

stand by them they are all in one trench, against the Arabs and the Muslims

because they established Israel here, in the beating heart of the Arab

world, in Palestine."

http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=6822

Allah is almighty. Had He wanted - He would have beaten

them. But He tests you in suffering. We must prepare the

ground for the army of Allah that is coming according to

the [divine] predetermination. We must prepare a foothold

for them. Allah willing, this unjust state will be erased -

Israel will be erased; this unjust state, the United

States, will be erased; this unjust state, Britain, will be

erased - they who caused this people's Nakbah [the 1948

'catastrophe']..."

"Blessings to whoever waged Jihad for the sake of Allah;

blessings to whoever raided for the sake of Allah;

blessings to whoever put a belt of explosives on his body

or on his sons' and plunged into the midst of the Jews,

crying "Allahu Akbar, praise to Allah, There is no God but

Allah and Muhammad is His messenger."'

http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=7198

"We must prepare ourselves in accordance with the religion

of Allah and the Law of Allah. We must educate our children

on the love of Jihad for the sake of Allah and the love of

fighting for the sake of Allah."

http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=7558

"A young man said to me: 'I am 14 years old, and I have

four years left before I blow myself up amongst the Jews.'

I said to him: Oh son, I ask Allah to give you and myself

Martyrdom...'"

"The Prophet [Muhammad] said: 'The Jews will fight you, and

[Allah] will establish you as rulers over them...' We blow

them up in Hadera, we blow them up in Tel Aviv and in

Netanya, and in this way, Allah establishes us as rulers

over these gangs of vagabonds. The Jews fight you, but

Allah will establish you as rulers over them. Until the Jew

would hide behind a stone or a tree, and the stone or the

tree would say: Oh Muslim, Oh servant of Allah, a Jew is

hiding behind me, come kill him, with the exception of the

Gharqad tree which is the tree of the Jews...'"

"Blessings for whoever assaulted a soldier... Blessings for

whoever has raised his sons on the education of Jihad and

Martyrdom; blessings for whoever has saved a bullet in

order to stick it in a Jew's head."

"Allah said to him: '...Do not consider those who have died

for the sake of Allah as dead, but as alive, and as being

provided for by their Lord.'"

"This good news... has passed down to our people who still

make great sacrifices, defending the honor of the Islamic

nation. The sacrifice of convoys of martyrs [will continue]

until Allah grants us victory very soon. The willingness

for sacrifice and for death we see amongst those who were

cast by Allah into a war with the Jews, should not come at

all as a surprise..."

http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=8262

"OH, ALLAH -- DESTROY AMERICA!! For she is ruled by Zionist Jews!! Allah

shall take revenge on behalf of his prophet against the colonialist settlers

who are sons of monkeys and pigs!! Forgive us, Mohammad, for the acts of

these sons of monkeys and pigs, who sought to harm your sanctity!!"

http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=8710

The events of today are like those of

the past. "The issue today is not only Afghanistan but it also points to

Europe and those who support Europe both from the east and from the west.

This is an attempt to return to the wars of the Crusades."

We urge all Muslims to unite in a war against the Crusaders, and that Allah

will bring vengeance upon them.

http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=10149

Allah, deal harshly with the Jews and those who aid them.

Allah, destroy them through their own stratagems!.

Allah, render us victorious over the Jews and those who support them!."

[PA TV, Sermon televised from protest tent in Gaza, Feb. 8, 2002]

http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=11360

"Palestine shall be the burial grounds of the invaders just as it was for

the Tartars, and the Crusaders and for modern colonialism. The Tradition

relates to us that Allah's cherished one [Muhammad] said: 'The Jews will

battle against you but you shall emerge masters over them. The Jews have

begun the battle against us. And who makes the Muslim master of the Jew?

Allah, may He be blessed, the Wise may He be extolled. Until such time as a

Jew will hide behind a rock or tree, and the rock or tree will say: 'Oh

Muslim, Oh servant of Allah, here is a Jew behind me, Oh Muslim, come and

kill!' We put our credence in this Tradition as well as in the Tradition

that proclaims the expansion of Islamic rule over the world.

"Allah, take in our Martyrs

"Oh Allah, show us the Jews' black day!

"Oh Allah, show us the Jews' black day!

"Oh Allah, show us the Jews' black day!

"Allah, turn upon the Jews and those who aid them!

"Allah, turn upon the Jews and those who aid them!

"Allah, turn upon the Jews and those who aid them!"

http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=11439

"Oh beloved, look to the East of the earth, find Japan and the ocean; look

to the West of the earth, find [some] country and the ocean. Be assured that

these will be owned by the Muslim nation, as the Hadith says. 'from the

ocean to the ocean.'"

"Oh Allah, accept our martyrs in the highest heavens."

"Oh Allah, show the Jews a black day."

"Oh Allah, annihilate the Jews and their supporters."

"Oh Allah, raise the flag of Jihad across the land."

"Oh Allah, forgive our sins."

http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=11959

Shaykh Hasan Al al-Shaykh delivers the sermon. ... Concluding, the imam

beseeches God: "O God, strengthen Muslims everywhere. O God, destroy the

Jews and their supporters. O God, destroy the Zionists and their

supporters. O God, use your power against them. O God, grant victory to the

faithful. O God, support our brothers in Palestine."

Concluding, the imam prays to God: "O God, strengthen Islam and Muslims,

humiliate infidelity and infidels, destroy the enemies of religion, and

give safety to this country and to the countries of Islam." He goes on: "O

God, support our mujahidin brothers everywhere. O God, support them in

Palestine, Kashmir, and Chechnya. O God, deal with the Jews and their

supporters for they are within your power."



I could keep going on and on.

Now please post links showing similar hate-filled sermons preached in Jewish temples.

"i've asked you already to provide evidence for your racist hateful baseless hogwash - to no avail,so i ask again."

See above, you ignorant dork.

"according to the koran,the jews - and christians - are not "infidels" at all - they are the people of the book - to be treated with regard - for example,their conversion is not requested."

You need to tell that to the imams who are calling down Allah's wrath upon the Jews and Christians.

"...insults do not make up for your lack of counterarguments:"

No, but since you're wrong about me not having counterarguments, I think you're wrong about my insults being baseless as well.

"so all that's left for you to do is go fuck yourself,scott...whoopss again,i meant paid shi...sorry,nonanarchist."

Don't tell me you're one of those morons who has to mitigate his fears by pretending all us conservatives are they same person.

"No, but since you're wrong about me not having counterarguments, I think you're wrong about my insults being baseless as well. "

Excellent!

Nice links too by the way.

so,2 or 3 unverifiable quotes from isalmist fanatics - of the sort usaually financed by busharon - should justify your baseless assertion that evry friday around the world imams preach that shit?

sorry but you need an urgent review of your logic.

by the way,notice from your own quotes how jews and christians are not infidels according to islam,you pignorant,

paid shill at bushron's behest whose job it is to implement a worldwide campaign to spam logical anticapitalist thinking on indy,

1.notice reader how,no matter what day of the week and what time of day you log on to indy la,you're bound to find spam by such self-multiplied luminaries as :

nonanarchist,fresca,bush admirer,daveman,and so on - a bunch of sionist dorx who seem to have no need at all for a decent job or worry about little things as rent,internet bills etc - unless of course they or he are bill gates' deranged daughter...

guess who's pickin'up their tab reader...

i,as a secular egalitarian,am obviously antireligion - anti ALL existing religions which i deem,with mark,the opiate of the people - and that includes islam of course,which has the same roots in the torah as its 2 other genocidal brethren:judaosm and christianity.

having said this,it is also arguably clear to me that busharon - that is wall street - creates an artificial islamic terror scare by founding and financing such scarecrows as qaeda and hamas.

above in my last comment mark should have read marx

...how, when confronted by reality, adrian more sinks further into madness.

Your denials are meaningless.

As are your hatred-fueled opinions, which you continually confuse with fact.

You have been dealt with; only you fail to see this. To everyone else, it is painfully obvious.

how the above comment contains NO counterarguments to speak of - just the same old arrogant spam.

...or did you have to work at it?

I posted a lot of VERIFIED hate speech being preached by imams.

You casually dismiss it, without posting proof of Jewish hate speech being preached.

And then you continue with some PSYOPS nonsense rant, as if that would lend any credence to the poo you're flinging like a monkey, thus further destroyong any crediblility you may once have had.

Then you get all huffy when I have the temerity to call your crap what it is -- crap.

You really ought to stop when you're behind.

I've already countered what you're using for arguments. Not my fault if you're not equipped to recognize it. If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch.

Now...any more nonsense you'd like to get ridiculed?

..or did it take a lot of brainwashing and hate preaching and torah studies?

>>I posted a lot of VERIFIED hate speech being preached by imams.

You casually dismiss it, without posting proof of Jewish hate speech being preached. >>:

verified by WHOM pray tell?

the entire torah IS jewish hate speech - and it's been preached for 2500 years down to the king david hotel wannsee koonferenz.mainstream proof par excellence.

and again:isalm christianity AND judaism have their murderous totalitarian roots in the same fucking crap text:the torah.

and i am against all 3.

except again i can't help but notice how islamic fundamentalism has been fostered all along by us israel - see hamas and qaeda.

thanx for playing,dorkie - go back to sleep.

you're pathetic.

...you further out yourself as a hater.

You use emotion instead of reason.

You have let your hate overwhelm you.

You sad litle person.

...how the 355 paid shill has NO counterarguments to speak of - as usual for these moles - only backfiring pathetic psudosarcasm.

ya been dealt with,assmole - any more of you racist hate speech you'd like me to ridicule?

...the "racist hate speech" you claim I've posted.

Also, post where you've "dealt with" me.

This weeks IMC crazy talkin' neo-nazi gibberish award goes to.....

Adrian Moore!

Excellent work Adrian!

In as much as numerous examples and links have been posted already by others utterly trouncing your bright and shining racism, I'll forego actual commenetary and jump right in with mocking you.

I never though I'd say this, but even hex has more on the ball than you.

Why the name change? Have you sullied the good name of Diogenes with too much nonsense and paranoia?

Its funny that people Criticizing Zionism day and night from despotic leaders of irrelevant countries to journalists who often make quite a healthy living out of it -- and yet they then turn around and say

"Criticizing Zionism - It's Forbidden To Say Such Things"

Its not forbidden its actively encouraged. Of course lets see a arab leader support zionism and lets see how long it takes for him to be assasinated. or fisk to write a pro zionist article (not that he would) and see how long it takes for him to be dumped from half the papers he gets published in and for his bank balance to drop.

It's the same reason they complain about the "corporate conservative media", when everybody knows that Fox is the only conservative source.

Basically, they're just whining...as usual.

I've been poking my nose in and observing from time to time.

A. I am most definitely NOT an Atheist.

B. I regard Religion as one of the great Civilizing Influences upon mankind.

Scoottie = frescazoid

nonanurcust = davemoron

My arguments with Israeli Policy have to do with their inhumane, and contrary to the Torah, activities not the fact that they are Jews. The Jews are my people by blood and kin.

Adrian More is no better than the other Shills with which he is arguing.

A Pox upon both your houses.

Rational Normal Shill = Psymple Psymon.

It's been bugging me not to post that but I have been largely taking a Sabbatical.

You all have been doing fine without me.

Carry On.

Whatever. You've been here all alomg using different handles (typical ploy when constantly trounced).

More is just another. Good to see you berating yourself.

haha I thought I sounded more like nonanarchist than fresca but hey we are all part of the same super troll anyway so its rather academic.

>>blow themselves up in the middle of crowds.

You know, like those lovable "palestinians".>>:

here's what you posted above in this thread under your multinick "fresca" - and even if you and fresca are 2 diiferent peple,you clearly are 2 professional busharon spammer whores.

as if all palestinians were suicide bombers.

here's what you posted above in this thread under you alternick "mymicz" - for even if you and mymicz were 2 different people,you are supporting each other in saying the same things on behalf of your paymaster busharon 24/7 on la.indy:

>>In "Muslim" countries, in the last 10 years alone, MILLIONS of Shia kill Sunni and vice versa.>>:

please provide evidence of these millions of deaths between 1993 and 2003 .

again,as always,racism is in the generalization and the gross overaccounting,meant to generate the impression that shiites and sunnis do nothing but kill each other 24/7.

here's more evidence of your gross islamophobic racism under your alternick "mymicz" above:

>>the truth that Muslims are indeed far more rascist than any other culture.>>:

baseless hogwash as usual with you orchestrated judeonazi assmoles.

here's more evidence of your gross islamophobic racism from your alyernick "mymicz" above:

>>What other text explicitly says to kill "all infidels?>>:

what text are you talking about and where is the reference.

here's more of your racist spam from your alternick "mymicz" above:

>> Women don't have to wear burqas or head scarves in America either. >>:

actually,muslim women don't have to wear headscarves or burqas in berber morocco either,or among most muslim migrants in europe.

again nothing but your baseless hogwash,in that you racistically generalize falsely.

again from your gross mymicz alternick spam above:

>>terrorists are kept back behind fences to protect the secular, Christian, and Muslims who choose to own businesses with Jews in restaurants(like those who died in Haifa) safe,

any freakin day! >>:

again generalizing falsely as if ALL palestinians behind sharon's apartheid's wall were terrorists.

moreover the haifa case has proven if anything the total failure of the false pretense that the fence serve the purpose of preventing terrorism:

hanadi,the alleged haifa suicide bomber,according to mainstream judeonazi reports crossed the very finished fence in that neck of the woods .

and now to your resident nick,nonanarchist,from your 500 spam item above:

>>...that no one is preaching that passage from the Torah every Sabbath.

Unlike similar passages that get preached every Friday in mosques throughout the world.>>:

even though later you have provided unverified passages of imam hate speech,you have thereby IN NO WAY proven your false assertion that similar passages "get preached EVERY FRIDAY in mosques AROUND THE WORLD".

again racism and falsehood are in the generalization.

as if all imams every friday all the world over preached nothing but antiwestern violence.

and let's again remind the reader how the most fanatic and violent so-called muslim terrorist organizations have been put up by the us and israel's govt terror to sabotage peace and have excuse after excuse for continuing the genocidal war business - see qaeda and hamas.

>>I'll forego actual commenetary and jump right in with mocking you. >>:

that's what you always do,pathetic old shill.that's because you have no counterarguments to speak of.

kill your selves - you're worthless.

either post evidence/argumentation as to your idiotic claim,or shut the fuck up,sob.

>>Its not forbidden its actively encouraged. Of course lets see a arab leader support zionism and lets see how long it takes for him to be assasinated. or fisk to write a pro zionist article (not that he would) and see how long it takes for him to be dumped from half the papers he gets published in and for his bank balance to drop.>>:

on the surface,you have a point - in substance,you do not - here's why:

1.arab leaders base their power solely on us military support with the sole exceptions of - maybe - syria and lybia.

thus their paying lip service to antizionism is nothing but duplicitous chucking all the dust into their people's eyes

2.fisk etc:consensus in modern day west is NOT formed on the printed press where fisk writes - an elite minority convenience.

majority consensus in today's west is shaped on prime time daily national tvs - now give us one sole example of robert fisk - whom i by the way deem an ultramoderate - appearing on prime time cnn or fox or bbc on a daily basis for an equal air time amount as bush blair and their paid shills.

therefore,we may certainly conclude that there is NO par condicio - ie no democratic balance at all - in today's west between pro and anti zionists,the former monopolizing the only media that really count:

prime time daily mass tv.

which in turn leads us to conclude that democracy in today's west is but a joke - scheindemokratie is the name of the game - fascism at its most hypocritical.

you are wrong on all fronts,nonan...whoops,fre...sorry i meant scottie.

>>My arguments with Israeli Policy have to do with their inhumane, and contrary to the Torah, activities not the fact that they are Jews. The Jews are my people by blood and kin.

Adrian More is no better than the other Shills with which he is arguing.>>:

contrary to the torah? you're off the deep end man - and you don't read me:

check your torah at deut 20,16,and then come back.

you do not know what you're talkin' about.

as for insulting me baselessly by comparing me to these govt terorist thugs who spam la indy 24/7:

it always backfires to insult without arguments.

go home and do your torah homework,ignorant bigot.

Gee...what I posted was in NO WAY racist.

Moron.

You think those sermon quotes I posted are bogus? Prove it. Otherwise, shut yer pie-hole.

"as if all imams every friday all the world over preached nothing but antiwestern violence."

Did I say that ALL imams all overthe world preached hate? No. That makes you a liar. Sme do. Some do on radio and television. Their words, and their hate and incitement to violence, is recorded and posted on the net by people who see the need to expose this kind of hate.

I have repeatedly asked you for proof of similar hate being preached in synagogues. You have posted nothing. That tells me a great deal...that someone as rabidly-antiJew as yourself would have a whole stack of such quotes, if they actually existed. You don't, so there ARE no such quotes.

"and let's again remind the reader how the most fanatic and violent so-called muslim terrorist organizations have been put up by the us and israel's govt terror to sabotage peace and have excuse after excuse for continuing the genocidal war business - see qaeda and hamas."

Moron. All US ties with Al Qaeda were over years ago.

As for Israel creating Hamas, why?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/07/24/wmid224.xml

"We swear, Abu Mustafa, that we will make the Zionists wail in every house," said a statement from the military wing of Hamas.

"There will be mourning in every street. We will never sleep and rest until we see the bodies of the Zionists in every restaurant, bus station and on every pavement."

[...]

But with the start of the first intifada in December 1987, Sheikh Yassin created Hamas. Shehada was one of its seven founders and created its military wing.

But for all his popularity, the blind hatred of his campaign has destroyed Israel's belief in peace, and may have robbed Palestinians of their best chance of statehood in a generation.

Ahhh...I've found the source of your confusion (well, at least ONE of them).

There is only this UPI article that says Israel supported Hamas against the PLO. But nowhere does it say that Israel CREATED Hamas, or that it continued to support it. But you, in all your anti-Israel glory, seem not to have noticed that part.

http://www.upi.com/print.cfm?StoryID=18062002-051845-8272r

Israel and Hamas may currently be locked in deadly combat, but, according to several current and former U.S. intelligence officials, beginning in the late 1970s, Tel Aviv gave direct and indirect financial aid to Hamas over a period of years.

Israel "aided Hamas directly -- the Israelis wanted to use it as a counterbalance to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization)," said Tony Cordesman, Middle East analyst for the Center for Strategic Studies.

Israel's support for Hamas "was a direct attempt to divide and dilute support for a strong, secular PLO by using a competing religious alternative," said a former senior CIA official.

According to documents United Press International obtained from the Israel-based Institute for Counter Terrorism, Hamas evolved from cells of the Muslim Brotherhood, founded in Egypt in 1928. Islamic movements in Israel and Palestine were "weak and dormant" until after the 1967 Six Day War in which Israel scored a stunning victory over its Arab enemies.

After 1967, a great part of the success of the Hamas/Muslim Brotherhood was due to their activities among the refugees of the Gaza Strip. The cornerstone of the Islamic movements success was an impressive social, religious, educational and cultural infrastructure, called Da'wah, that worked to ease the hardship of large numbers of Palestinian refugees, confined to camps, and many who were living on the edge.

"Social influence grew into political influence," first in the Gaza Strip, then on the West Bank, said an administration official who spoke on condition of anonymity.

According to ICT papers, Hamas was legally registered in Israel in 1978 by Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, the movement's spiritual leader, as an Islamic Association by the name Al-Mujamma al Islami, which widened its base of supporters and sympathizers by religious propaganda and social work.

According to U.S. administration officials, funds for the movement came from the oil-producing states and directly and indirectly from Israel. The PLO was secular and leftist and promoted Palestinian nationalism. Hamas wanted to set up a transnational state under the rule of Islam, much like Khomeini's Iran.

So -- we have thus proven that you're full of crap.

Now, about the Supertroll entity. Does it make you feel less afraid to think we're all one person? This is a common delusion and response tot he fear of truth on imc. Another common delusion is that we're paid to "spam" here.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

We're just some people who:

A. Refuse to let you get away with posting the hate-filled, lying crap you do, and

B. Ridicule you as you so richly deserve.

You will, however, not believe this, as reality is not required in your worldview, and is indeed anathema to it.

So, adrian more, continue your little-hate filled, lying rants; they are entertaining. You have been put in your place.

You're just too stupid to see it.

yesd you area racist and did not respond at all,so again:

even though you have provided unverified passages of imam hate speech,you have thereby IN NO WAY proven your false assertion that similar passages "get preached EVERY FRIDAY in mosques AROUND THE WORLD".

please prove your "every day" and you "around the world" moron - or else shut the judeonazi fuck up.

>>You think those sermon quotes I posted are bogus? Prove it.>>:

no undear - since the birth of western civilazion in roman ius,the burden of proof is on the accyser - and it was YOU asshole who accused these unveriable imams to have proffered hate speech - so it lays squarely on YOU to prove the veridicity of your accusations.

anyway as i said i don't rule out that there's hate preaching imams somewhere - especially when financed by us and israel to put up a scarecrow alibi for their genocidal terrorist wars.

>>I have repeatedly asked you for proof of similar hate being preached in synagogues. You have posted nothing. That tells me a great deal...that someone as rabidly-antiJew as yourself would have a whole stack of such quotes, if they actually existed. You don't, so there ARE no such quotes. >>:

1.prove that i am rabidly or in any way antijew or else shut the boloody fuck up,asshole.

2.notice this dickhead's illogic,reader:

if adrian more doesn't come up with synagogue hate speech,then...there is no such speech!!!

it's like saying that if aristoteles didnìt come up with a descrioption of america,then there is no america.

try logic for braindeads,racist hating thug.

3.i have provided proof that the torah is a rabid criminal genocidal text - to which you don't respond - could it be that you can't?

4.and i have provided evidence that the recent king david wannsee konferenz of the perles and feiths and so on with the govt terrorists preached great israel based on the genocidal racist torah - trhat's far worse than some us paid imam in some synagogue .

you don't respond to this either.but then again,baseless hogwash is what a nazi hog's all about.

5.the recently banned kach judeonazi terrorist organization was famous for preaching just the kind of torah hate speech that's considered the word of god by fanatic murderous jews christians - and muslims too.

and i hereby wish to underscore how my stance is secular,marxist,anti ALL religions.

>>All US ties with Al Qaeda were over years ago. >>:

another umpteen example of our luminary's unfounded,baseless,unargued govt-fed propaganda parroting.

what a genius.

what a moron.

Seems like old Adrian is a bit upset.

And I for one, admit I was wrong, an he or she is definetly not dio.

Here's the deal Adrian. You're obviously a fucking racist.

That you, foolishly, I might add, try to hide it behind the embarassing label of Marxist is of no use. You just flat out hate Jews.

Proof? This is a fucking message board, at best, not a court of law. You're inane rantings and obsessive anti-Jew postings are enough. What? Are you actually going to try and argue you're way out of it.

You're just another ass who tries to hide your bigotry behind some half-baked political manifesto and the paranoia of "govt thugs" trying to repress you.

Your type is a dime a fucking dozen.

Next.

>>As for Israel creating Hamas, why?>>:

this time i'll give you a free history esson.next time i'll charge you tuition though,naughty girl:

1.it was the orthodox jew and us ambassador in israel dan kurtzer who stated in a dec 2001 haaretz interview that the israeli right has in every way favored and sponsored hamas since its early inception in the 70ies,in order to have a counterweight and a stalking horse for the PLO,for secular nationalist democratic palestinians and most of all in order to be able to sabotage all peaces and continue unhindererd with the war business.

2.it has recently come to light trhat the FBI financed hamas too in perfect accord with israel:

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2003/10/87406.php

i have thus proven how hamas is nothing but us-israeli - ie,wall street - govt terror in disguise.

and that you are an ignorant stool - sorry i meant fool.

further proof of hamas as nothing but sharon's creature is the fact that sharon has consistenly PROTECTED hamas' leaders yassin and rantisi from targeted assassination.

notice reader:

whenever sharon wants to knock off hamas small or medium fish,he never fails no matter how many innocent women and children he must collaterally massmurder -

but when it comes to rantisi and yassin,sharon consistently fails:

this year alone 2 alleged targeted assassinations on yassin failed,and one on rantisi - the judeonazi press even revealed that a warning shot was fired at rantisi's car and then he was given the necessary time to flee nearly unscathed before the subsequent missiles were fired.

also ask yourself reader why bush never gets osama or saddam - after so much working in creating the fake arab terrorist scare,would busharon wanna willingly give up their much needed scarecrow?

"i have thus proven how hamas is nothing but us-israeli - ie,wall street - govt terror in disguise.

and that you are an ignorant stool - sorry i meant fool. "

Uh, listen FNG, we've all gone over that chestnut here long ago. We all know about the early support of Hamas (long before they ever strapped on the TNT, by the way). We all know why. The old, "enemy of my enemy is my friend" deal. Times change. The support served a purpose at one point. Hamas changed targets. It was no longer in Israels interest to support them. The support ended. Now it's time to eradicate them.

Your sophomoric assessment of this support being "israeli/fbi/wallstreet/ govt. terror" is not only hyperbolic but downright wrong.

The support has long since vanished. Flat out gone.

And you know this.

I have thus proven you an idiot or a liar. You choose.

>>Now, about the Supertroll entity. Does it make you feel less afraid to think we're all one person? This is a common delusion and response tot he fear of truth on imc. Another common delusion is that we're paid to "spam" here.

Nothing could be further from the truth. >>:

1.i'm not afraid of little sad failed cowards like you asshole,or i wouldn't be here ridiculing your dirty racist hate-filled crap.

2.notice reader how if you try to log on to la indy on any given day at whatever time,you'll find such luminaries as nonanarchist,bush admirer,fresca,scottie and so on with the self-multiplied monikers spamming with their judeonazi shit in a continuous cycle in order to divert attention from logical thinking on the wire.

and it's a worldwide orchestrated busharon campaign - check reader if you will all indy sites in the us,canada,uk,france,italy,whatever - whenever a site is well-attended,these morons'colleagues are there to spam night and day on their slavemasters' payroll.

and ARGUABLY so:

1.evidently these thugs have a helluva lot of paid time on their hands - for they seem to have no care in the world for job rent food on the table - spamming indy is ALL they do - and they're not paid?

hahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and then ask yourself reader:

2.cui prodest,who benefits from paying sick shills to vomit their nazi cum on la?

not hard to guess...

unless of course these guys are bill gates' deranged daughters...

as to whether it's one or more,it's irrelevant - i actually do think it's 2 or 3 because one wouldn't make it 24/7 - not even at the exploitation rate these slaves are subjected to,sad little things...

>>The support has long since vanished. >>:

false:

1.the link i provided above about the FBI financing hamas has a witness stating that such financing was still going on as late as 1998 - and there is no way to say that it stopped

2.ongoing sharon protection of yassin and rantisi from targeted assassination proves that hamas is STILL being used by its creator israel.

everyone knows where yassin and rantisi leave - they could be dealt with in one blow - but it's not happening - ask yourselves why.

fuck off,non....whoops,i meant fresca.

also think reader about the haifa bombing - the devil is ALWAYS in the details - and the mainstream judeonazi press betrays the falseness of sharon's antiterror hype in many ways:

the alleged haifa suicide bomber,hanadi,according to mainstream press reports crossed the COMPLETED -in that section-sharon fence which was supposed to prevent just that kind of event and drove to haifa with accomplices - she had time to comfortably change clothes from islamic to western,put on her bomb belt that she found INSIDE israel,and proceed to her deadly appointment - all of this according to the judeonazi international herald tribune,which mostly reprints nyt and washington post stuff - that is,regime propaganda.

now assuming this is true:

HOW IN THE WORLD WAS HANADI,THE WELL KNOWN SISTER AND COUSIN OF 2 JIHAD MEMBERS WHOM SHARON HAD EXECUTED A FEW MONTHS EARLIER,ALLOWED TO PASS THRU THAT WELL GUARDED FENCE CHECKPOINT ?????

SHE MUST HAVE BEEN UNDER SHIN BEITH SHADOWING FOR MONTHS EVEN PRIOR TO THE KILLINGS OF HER RELATIVES - EVER SINCE THE HANADI FAMILY INVESTIGATION STARTED - ESPECIALLY SINCE THE HANADI FAMILY IN ITS ENTIRETY WAS A HARDLINE JIHADIST ONE.

sharon is nothing but a massmurderer of his OWN people first - on behalf of his wall street war profiteers puppetmasters.

do us all a favor,nonanark,fresca,whatever you wanna call yourself:

get a life.

Oh this is great.

I love the whole "notice reader" bit.

Just thought I'd mention that first.

Anyway, obviously you need to believe that people like myself and nonanarchist and BA and scottie and etc. are "paid shills" in order to accept the notion that so many people so thoroughly see through your nonsense and bullshit, and I guess it's fair to say that we need to believe that you and yours are actually mentally ill in order to accept the notion that you might actually believe the tripe you post. So I guess we're even.

But when you come on here with the foolishness you've been posting, using terms like "judeonazi" and posting over and over again in order to hide all the refutations of your nonsense ( NA's links and lists illustrating Iman's racism was quickly buried under a slew of gibberish from you) you are going to be trounced.

I don't know what it's like at other boards. I know that at any point in the day one can come here and see the usual conspiracy theorists camping out and disseminating more and more fantasy. I don't howver think, as would be easy to do, that they are paid shills.

After all this board, or at least the comments section is fairly balanced between the conspiracy theorists and those that refute them. True political discussion has never been an element of this site. just nuts like you and yours and a few more like me who get off on pulling the rug out from under you.

At the end of the day, you're coming into our house, so get used to being ridiculued if you intend to remain such a childish racist.

See the difference between the two sides is that your side cries "racist" and "fascist" at the drop of a hat whenever you don't agree or don't understand. My side, however, reserves the use of those labels only for people like you who actually are.

Welcome to our board.

again notice reader how the above conment has NO counterarguments whatsoever on any given point at issue in this thread - just the same old backfiring insults.typical pathetic mole tactics.

leave us alone jerk - this ain't your house,you're just a paid burglar paid to break in and spam the truth.

spam off.

Beyond the fact that I just posted a "counterargument" (not sure if it is even possible to counterargue against a delusion) trouncing your fbi/hamas/wallstreet fantasy, there's really nothing else to argue against. You haven't even introduced anything other than racism and childish whining.

Look, if you want a place where you can post racist, conspiracy delusions without being ridiculed or trounced, start your own site.

Open publishing baby. Come here and you're going to be easily refuted and mocked.

It got busy here while I was at church.

Adrian, you can think what you want. I really don't care; makes no nevermind to me. Your nodding aquaintance with reality is your own affair.

However, you're acting like a child. I have argued the points with you; you refuse to see my arguments (or indeed even acknowledge them) and instead spout out a lot of nonsense and name-calling.

You don't want debate; you want immediate, unconditional, and uncritical acceptance of everything you say.

Boy, are you in the wrong place.

I should have known when you said you were a Marxist. Jeez, haven't you learned ANYTHING from history? You lost! It was in all the papers.

Now, you just rant right along, adrain. Nothing you can possibly say will ever have any effect on me or my opinions and beliefs.

In other words, to me, you are totally insignificant.

Now post some more and continue to prove it.

http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=18654

What do Arabs think about the Holocaust? Arabs Sign Guest Book at Holocaust Exhibit

Dr. Mordechai Kedar Sunday, October 26, 2003

The SNP Museum in the Slovak town Banska Bystrica recently hosted a

traveling exhibit of photographs of women, Jewish and non-Jewish,

maltreated in Auschwitz and elsewhere during the Holocaust period.

Here is the translation of a page of the guest book, containing the entries

of four Arab visitors dated September 7, 2003 (copy of original page

available):

1. This exhibit testifies to the quality of organization and handling [of

the mission]. From a historical perspective, what Hitler did to the Jews is

exactly what they deserve. Still, we would have wished that he could have

finished incinerating all the Jews in the world, but time ran out on him and

therefore Allah's curse be on him and on them.

(-) Khaled al-Zahraya from Saudi Arabia, 07.09.03

2. This is a museum showing a restaurant [specializing in] Jewish meat,

which is what they deserve. Sons of apes and pigs.

The day after the attempt to murder Ahmad Yasin.

'Umar al-Da'm, Yemen 07.09.03

3. Ibrahim al-'Arimi, Sultanate of Oman

The most beautiful sights of Jews.

(-) 07. 09.03

4. I say what they all say, and will just add that they [Jews] are cursed in

this world and the next. Madih, Yemen. 07.09.2003

Gosh...I wonder if they know that their views are unconfirmed and unrepresentative of Muslims in general.

Perhaps they got theri hatred from the imams who aren't preaching this kind of stuff every Friday?

What do you think, adrian? Some "intentional" mistranslation by a damn dirty Jew, maybe?

...that adrian (and indeed, all of imc) would be having a cow if such things were written by Jews at an exhibit of photographs of slaughtered Arabs?

Now, he will call this "unconfirmed", and proceed to call me names.

He is so predictable in his small-mindedness.

no arguments=SELF-TROUNCING.PERIOD.

FUCK OFF MOLE.GAME OVER.

notice again reader how there's NO trace of argumentation whatsoever . just the same old pathetic backfiring arrogance of a deluded tool.

get a decent job moley.

even if true,your unverified comments only go to show how 4 assholes are 4 assholes.

unfortunately for your racist generalizing though,you cannot offer us any evidence that over 1 billion muslims around the world are as stupid as you.

fuck off,islamophobic nazi.

and baseless hogwash is what a racist hateful nazi hog like nonanarchist is ALL about.

please help yer selves to some more trouncing by me.

welcome.

Thank you for so spectacularly fullfilling my expectations of you.

You denied everything I wrote, and started flinging poo like the mental monkey you are.

"...a deluded tool"

That's rich, coming from a Marxist. Not exactly the ideology of promoting independent thought, is it?

"get a decent job"

Got one, thanks. But I appreciate the concern.

"even if true,your unverified comments only go to show how 4 assholes are 4 assholes."

Not unlike your own comments showing...naah, too easy.

"fuck off,islamophobic nazi"

Ahh, the calling card of the truly mentally deficient! But you left out "fascist". After al, you've already demonstrated you have no understanding of rascism or Nazism. Shoulda gone for the trifecta. Oh, and by the way: Please post proof of this alleged "Islamophobia".

"and baseless hogwash is what a racist hateful nazi hog like nonanarchist is ALL about."

Pot, meet kettle. All you've posted is conjecture and opinion...all rabidly hate-filled. Can it be possible you don't see it? Sad little person.

"please help yer selves to some more trouncing by me. "

Oh, so you've "won" because you...what? Said so? Here's a little tip: mindless obscenities don't constitute a valid argument.

Now, I'll tell you what, little boy (for that is indeed what you sound like).

You post what you like. Don't be surprised of you don't get the hero-worship you're so desperately seeking.

Maybe, someday, you'll grow up and lose the poseur Marxist trappings (I'll bet you've got a Che T-shirt, don'tcha? Extra points for the beret!).

More importantly, you'll lose the ridiculous failed politics, learn to express yourself without spewing filth, and act like an adult.

But I kinda doubt it.

spams on and on - what else do you expect this failed slave of the regime to be doing?

that's what he's paid for...

notice reader how he keeps avoding and obfuscating my arguments with backfiring insults and mindless crap.

poor desperado,his batteries are so down....

give him a littl holiday,busharon,he's so pitiful...

All you're doing is spouting mindless insults and hatred.

You wouldn't recognize an argument if it slapped your pimply little face.

And I'm not getting paid to pout you in your place.

I see it as a public service.

Now go back and stare at your Che and Kim Jong Il posters, and weep for what might have been.

>>> on the surface, you have a point - in substance, you do not - here's why: 1.arab leaders base their power solely on us military support with the sole exceptions of - maybe - Syria and lybia.

- It is not possible to base your support solely on support from the US etc. Even if they were being propped up by the USA if the country did not accept them as legitimate that support would be useless.

Also If that were the case and they were pawns of the US why don’t they do what the US tells them to on issues like Israel or all sorts of other things? take votes at the UN for example.

Even if you have a point (and I guess you do in as far as a government cannot afford to be a reckless with its policies as an individual can in regards to foreign countries) you are guilty of the same sort of overstatement that you accused other people of making earlier

>>> 2.fisk etc: consensus in modern day west is NOT formed on the printed press where fisk writes - an elite minority convenience.

- What are the demographics of the "elite newspaper minority" and the "common TV majority"?

As to the TV I wouldn’t know about that

>> therefore, we may certainly conclude that there is NO par condition - i.e. no democratic balance at all - in today's west between pro and anti Zionists, the former monopolizing the only media that really count:

- Since you consider fisk and ultra moderate if the TV had only fisk you would probably complain of its bias to the right.

>>> which in turn leads us to conclude that democracy in today's west is but a joke

Are you trying to imply that democracy is soooo much better in the east?

Besides that every system will fall short of your arbitrary criteria so the fact that you think this one falls short is meaningless

>> check your torah at deut 20,16,and then come back.

It is interesting how you stick to that passage. it appears that you haven’t actually read the torah and your just taking it from a web site or something. The torah or the bible or the Koran do not have only one reference to killing. And a reference to killing does not amount to an order to kill generally speaking particularly in the context of other orders not to kill.

as to this

" even though you have provided unverified passages of imam hate speech, you have thereby IN NO WAY proven your false assertion that similar passages "get preached EVERY FRIDAY in mosques AROUND THE WORLD".

There are Muslims all over the world. Some of theme are associated with inciting violence in the Philippines Palestine Nigeria India etc. So there is the all over the world part. every Friday comes from the shear statistics of it let alone the fact that some of these guys are VERY angry and twisted people.

>>I have repeatedly asked you for proof of similar hate being preached in synagogues. You have posted nothing. That tells me a great deal...that someone as rabidly-antiJew as yourself would have a whole stack of such quotes, if they actually existed. You don't, so there ARE no such quotes. >>:

3.i have provided proof that the torah is a rabid criminal genocidal text - to which you don't respond - could it be that you can't?

- two lines in a few million lines book doesn’t make for a statistically good generalization. Your again falling into the same traps you accuse others of falling into.

>>All US ties with Al Qaeda were over years ago. >>:

>>another umpteen example of our luminary's unfounded,baseless,unargued govt-fed propaganda parroting.

What was that you said? the burden of proof is upon the accuser? and then you swapped sides when it became convenient.

As to your Israel creating hamas to provide an excuse to kill Palestinians.

you are not properly considering the other options available to such a strong alliance. use a little brain power and see what Israel could do if it actually did control hamas in order to discredit its opponents and not screw up its own economy etc.

This is the basic flaw of you the worst kind of conspiracy theorist. you create a conspiracy and fail to attribute rationality to the actors.

>> adrian more -- even if true,your unverified comments only go to show how 4 assholes are 4 assholes.

- It only takes One asshole to kill you.

adrain seems to be the sort of person who can be aware that racism is present in the US and yet think that for some reason it is totally absent in all the islamic countries. Maybe he thinks that more developed countries without a good judicial system and laws that protect equal rights of all races might somehow have less racism.

Too bad he won't notice; he'll go off on another rant and call names and generally act like a small child.

Again.

Like it matters what he says.

As soon as he outed himself as a Marxist (and he actually sounded PROUD of that; can you imagine?) he removed himself from the list of people that should be taken seriously.

Like I said, maybe someday he'll grow up.

But I doubt it.

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/1294

The prime minister of Malaysia, Mahathir Mohamad, informed the world this month, among other things, that "Jews rule this world by proxy. They get others to fight and die for them." Condoleezza Rice, the U.S. national security adviser, described Mahathir's comments as "hateful, they are outrageous."

But she then added, "I don't think they are emblematic of the Muslim world." If only she were right about that.

In fact, Mahathir's views are precisely emblematic of current Muslim discourse about Jews - symbolized by the standing ovation his speech received from an all-Muslim audience of leaders representing 57 states. Then, a Saudi newspaper reports, when Western leaders criticized Mahathir, "Muslim leaders closed ranks" around him with words of praise ("very correct," "a very, very wise assessment").

[...]

By now, notes Morton Klein of the Zionist Organization of America, "Hatred of Jews is widespread throughout the Muslim world. It is taught in the schools and preached in the mosques. Cartoons in Muslim newspapers routinely portray Jews in blatantly anti-Semitic terms."

Indeed, Mahathir is hardly the only Muslim ruler to make anti-Jewish statements. President Bashar al-Assad of Syria said in 2001 that Israelis try "to kill the principles of all religions with the same mentality in which they betrayed Jesus Christ." The Iranian ayatollahs and Saudi princes have a rich history of anti-Jewish venom, as of course do Egyptian television and Palestinian textbooks.

Of the myriad examples, one stands out for me: a June 2002 interview on Saudi TV with a 3-year-old girl named Basmallah, made available by the Middle East Media and Research Institute:

Anchor: Basmallah, are you familiar with the Jews?

Basmallah: Yes.

Anchor: Do you like them?

Basmallah: No.

Anchor: Why don't you like them?

Basmallah: Because . . .

Anchor: Because they are what?

Basmallah: They're apes and pigs.

Anchor: Because they are apes and pigs. Who said they are so?

Basmallah: Our God.

Anchor: Where did he say this?

Basmallah: In the Koran.

The little girl is wrong about the Koran, but her words show that, contrary to Rice's analysis, Muslim anti-Semitism extends even to the youngest children. That Mahathir himself is no Islamist but (in the words of New York Times columnist Paul Krugman) "about as forward-looking a Muslim leader as we're likely to find" also points to the pervasiveness of anti-Jewish bias.

In its attitudes toward Jews, the Muslim world today resembles Germany of the 1930s - a time when state-sponsored insults, caricatures, conspiracy theories and sporadic violence prepared Germans for the mass murder that followed.

http://web.israelinsider.com/bin/en.jsp?enPage=ViewsPage&enDisplay=view&enDispWhat=object&enDispWho=Article%5El2899&enZone=Views&enVersion=0&

The emergence of the new global anti-Semitism has signaled the end of the post-Holocaust respite, where Jew-hatred as a mobilizing force, was put on the shelf. Last week's conference was indication of the growing indecency enveloping the undemocratic leadership of many Islamic countries.

Why? Bernard Lewis, the wise man of Islamic studies, writes that Islam is a civilization which feels humiliated in the face of modern progress: it cannot provide its people with decent economies, political life, democracy, women's rights. When it asks, "What Went Wrong?" (The title of Lewis's exquisite analysis) it takes the easy path, excuses itself, and blames the Jews.

Jews have known about Islamic anti-Semitism for decades: Saudi royals routinely hand out The Protocols to visitors of the Kingdom; the Syrian Defense Minister Mustapha Tlass published a book offering "evidence" Jews use blood to make matza. Throughout the Oslo years, the Palestinian Authority taught children that Jews are less than human, have no right to self-determination, and deserve to be killed. Egypt's government-controlled television last year aired a series based on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. It was broadcast throughout the Islamic world. The Saudis fund the teaching of Jew-hatred in Wahabi mosques and schools throughout the Islamic world.

[...]

Even in America, the Washington Post revealed that Muslim schools in Virginia teach that Judgment Day will come when Muslims kill Jews and Christians. Steven Emerson has secretly filmed meetings in several American cities where Muslim leaders call for people here to kill the Jews.

****

The truth is out there for all to see.

If they're not blinded by their hatred, that is.

Nonanarchist - loves to confuse all issues.

We at Indy media interviewed him the other day....

Anchor: Nonanarchist, are you familiar with Muslims?

Nonanarchist: Yes.

Anchor: Do you like them?

Nonanarchist: No.

Anchor: Why don't you like them?

Nonanarchist: Because . . .

Anchor: Because they are what?

Nonanarchist: They're apes and pigs.

Anchor: Because they are apes and pigs. Who said they are so?

Nonanarchist: Our Government.

Anchor: Where did Bush say this?

Basmallah: On Fox news.

Still sitting behind your computer cheering the soldiers on?

What a loser.

Confusing the issue?

You mean, like posting the bogus interview you just did?

Moron.

I'll do my ususal bit here:

Please post comments of mine that are hateful towards Arabs and/or Islam.

While you're looking for something you're never going to find, let me explain something to you: adrian more apparently disbelives that there is any hatred in the Islamic world towards Jews. I was just showing how wrong he was.

That's where you stepped in and got stupid.

Understand now?

I support the illegal Bush regime in 126 countries around the Globe!!!

Off to take my Prozac now......

Hey moron

How would you respond to this ......

Bush got caught in the middle when he took Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad to task for criticizing Jews, but then didn't seem inclined to discipline a high-ranking American military officer, Lt. Gen. William Boykin, for comparing the anti-terror effort to the struggle between Christians and Satan.

Well....well....out with it..

this ought to be good.

What's your point?

That using th Christianity vs Satan as a metaphor for good vs evil in regards to our war against terrorism is somehow racist like the Prime Minister's remarks?

How so.

Granted. The comment is a bit inclusive and probabaly fell on alot of deaf ears, but it's certainly not racist or offensive.

There you go.

Thanks for not responding to this:

"Please post comments of mine that are hateful towards Arabs and/or Islam."

As far as you changing the subject when you're behind (again), I have no problem with Lt Gen Boykin's statement. Whether he was speaking allegorically or literally. Being a Christian myself, I certainly have no difficulty seeing this as a war between the principalities. It certainly was not racist or bigoted in any way. To claim it is is simply a smokescreen to hide your hatred of Christianity...or your support of terrorism.

Why do YOU have a problem with it? Whose side, ultimately, are you on?

"Could it be...SATAN?!"

/church lady off

what else did you expect from a paid shill?

all nonarchist and his self-multiplied schizoid personas are paid to do is spout mindless insults and hatred.

nonanarchist fresca and the other blowjobbing monikers wouldn't recognize an argument if it slapped their pimply little ass face.

they see it as lip-and-tongue service to their paymaster busharon.

now go back and give sharon another blowjob,you cum swallower.you'll weep for joy.

>>Even if they were being propped up by the USA if the country did not accept them as legitimate that support would be useless.>>:

oh yeah! look at us-propped regimes that wouldn't have been standing a second without us propping againsy their people:chile 1973,saudi arabia since roosevelt,egypt,morocco - need i continue?

let me first though,before completing the controlled demolition of your falsehoods,at least acknowledge that you are trying to make points,albeit in vain - unlike your crass,hog-washing colleagues or alternicks nonanarchist fresca etc.

therefore i do not necessarily mind discussing with you as long as you avoid ad hominem devices .

>>Also If that were the case and they were pawns of the US why don’t they do what the US tells them to on issues like Israel or all sorts of other things? take votes at the UN for example.>>:

the us does not need anybody's vote at the un since it's got veto power - and when it's the us advancing a un resolution,there are over 100 other un votes it can buy.

it would be impolitic for the us to force its arab puppet regimes to officially take a proisrael stand,in order not to further alienate the already alienated arab masses.

so the end result is that us propped arab leaders pay lip service to the antisionist cause but when it comes down to awarding contracts,it's the us and britain that get the lion's share - and that's what solely counts for the us govt - ie,the wall street sharks.

>>- What are the demographics of the "elite newspaper minority" and the "common TV majority"?

As to the TV I wouldn’t know about that >>:

come on dude - if you ignore that mass tv audiences are in the millions while newspaper readerships are in the hundreds af thousands at best,this job isn't for you.

but you're just putting me on for lack of counterarguments on this one right?

This is all just stupid.

This new guy Adrian is just another mindless ass who can't argue his way outa a wet paper bag.

Ultimately boring.

Fuck'm.

We need some new blood.

because from your quote i'm about to paste it is clear you don't know what you're talkin' about:

"">> check your torah at deut 20,16,and then come back.

It is interesting how you stick to that passage. it appears that you haven’t actually read the torah and your just taking it from a web site or something. The torah or the bible or the Koran do not have only one reference to killing. And a reference to killing does not amount to an order to kill generally speaking particularly in the context of other orders not to kill. "":

the particular deut 20,16 reference IS just that:an order to kill given from "god" to moises in the context of instructions about how to conquer and subjugate the promised land - the entire deuteronomy,numbers,part of exodus,part of leviticus are one single manual for palestinian genocide - so it's not just one quote.

i repeat my invitation for you to read the torah for the 1st time in your life.

by the way,let me again repeat for neophytes like you that the torah is what christians call pentateuch,ie the first 5 books of the christian bible - genesis,exodus,leviticus,numbers and deuteronomy.

the mein kampf of the judeochristians.

>>every Friday comes from the shear statistics of it >>:

WHAT statistics pray tell?

or are just making things up?

now this one's real easy:

>>In fact, Mahathir's views are precisely emblematic of current Muslim discourse about Jews - symbolized by the standing ovation his speech received from an all-Muslim audience of leaders representing 57 states>>:

pity that NONE of those 57 states are democratic - therefore their leaders do NOT represent their peoples.

they represent,for the most part,the us propping them up.

take a break,zombie - you're burned out.

"what else did you expect from a paid shill?"

Adrian More,

You are implying that everybody on this board is being paid to contribute? Who is *your* paymaster? Are your checks mailed from Syria or Jordan?

>>Adrian More,

You are implying that everybody on this board is being paid to contribute? Who is *your* paymaster? Are your checks mailed from Syria or Jordan?>>:

no baby,i'm not implying that - i never said it in fact.

i'm talking about the paid judeonazi shill that alternately contributes as :

-nonanarchist

-fresca

-scottie

-bush admirer

-and,most recently,"sarah"...

see Moniker,again:

1.any time of day on any given day in a continuous cycle this or these nazi thugs spam la indy - which implies it's their job,unless they live on thin air...

2.cui prodest to pay such spitbulls to sabotage critical thinking on indy,in a worldwide orchestrated campaign that anyone can verify on any well-attended indy site?

busharon maybe?

3.i,unlike the above mentioned luminaries,am not here all day,but only a few hours at best - which goes to show i am not paid

4.if jordan were paying ME,of all people,i guess bush would have the king assassinated in no time

5.as for syria,it's a dictatorship i despise:you think syria would pay someone to write on indy that he despises syria?

thanx for trying,fr...whoopss,i meant "sarah".

"i,unlike the above mentioned luminaries,am not here all day,but only a few hours at best - which goes to show i am not paid "

Priceless.

Do a search of Adrian More on google. The jackass spends virtually EVERY waking moment posting on damn near every IMC site.

Just another lonely guy, sittin' alone in the basement of his mother's house, screaming at the computer.

...reader if you look at the DATES and hours of my indy postings you'll notice that what i said above is true:

i only spend a few hours a day at best on indy - and sometimes i've been offline for months at a time - which only goes to show that i've been making an intensive effort over the past years to spread critical thinking at my own cost.

unless you come up with a paymaster who'd be interested in hiring someone with MY type of ideas...

whereas it's VERY easy to point out who benefits from paying YOU jackass.

i 'm not here for self-advertizing,but since fresca the assmole was so kind as to do it for me,i do recommend you read and listen to my stuff reader - it may interest you i hope...

Note the time of my post....

These shills MONITOR Indymedia all the time.

You will see nonanarchist respond immediatly .

oh yeah! look at us-propped regimes that wouldn't have been standing a second without us propping againsy their people:chile 1973,saudi arabia since roosevelt,egypt,morocco - need i continue?

- Your problem is that even though the US might have suppported some of these reigemes that was not the main reason for their power. You need to figure out the difference between major and minor causes.

For example the us government might protect your right to own your property (maybe) but the main reason you own your property is because you bought it or made it.

>> the us does not need anybody's vote at the un since it's got veto power - and when it's the us advancing a un resolution,there are over 100 other un votes it can buy.

- But it undermines itself with the charade of these votes that it looses or almost looses.

>> it would be impolitic for the us to force its arab puppet regimes to officially take a proisrael stand,in order not to further alienate the already alienated arab masses.

- Note you are already putting limitations on the power of the US vs the power of the poeple of hte country. Anyway it is not just the things about israel there are lots of other votes.

>> come on dude - if you ignore that mass tv audiences are in the millions while newspaper readerships are in the hundreds af thousands at best.

But at least where I am mass tv audiences are liberal and newspaper readers are more conservative. (to make a huge generalization) Which is directly coontrary to your argument. But who knows maybe its different where u are. Anyway dont tell me everyone in the US watches Fox .

- on a side note... damn illiterate americans

>> the particular deut 20,16 reference IS just that:an order to kill given from "god" to moises in the context of instructions about how to conquer and subjugate the promised land - the entire deuteronomy,numbers,part of exodus,part of leviticus are one single manual for palestinian genocide - so it's not just one quote.

A) Some of it is most isn't. Your generalizing again.

B) the current palistinians are different from those people who it would be odd to call palistinians. The section if the bible is somthing along the likes of "they sinned against god so we punish them" That is why there is a "leave nothing that breathes" in the same way that there is nothing left after sodom and gomorah.

The point is that there is no reason to believe these things are generalizable from that time to this one or that situation to another. The palistinians being "children of the book" are the genociders not the genocidees in this script.

---Im probably not the right person to be arguing this since I am not an advocate of taking things too litteraly anyway

check out the impossible set of rules in the first part of deut (and elswhere) and then all the threats in deut 28.

"WHAT statistics pray tell?

or are just making things up?"

- the over a billion people and numerous areas of religion based conflict. Im just saying your a brave man to bet on that one. I could go into details but it takes more space than we have here to prove that sort of thing.

>>pity that NONE of those 57 states are democratic - therefore their leaders do NOT represent their peoples.

they represent,for the most part,the us propping them up.

So the US created a state that would disobey its peoples wishes and oppose jews and israel. does that make any sense?

For adrain, "logic" is merely a word in the dictionary between "lefty" and "looney".

You just can't argue with someone so willing to believe everything that comes out of his own mouth. He constantly confuses his opinion and wishful thinking with actual fact.

adrian more is a fanatic, pure and simple. He is so focused on his hatred he has room for nothing else. It's pointless to debate him; when trapped by logic, he wriggles free by changing the subject and personal attacks...and then claims a victory.

He is not to be engaged; he is to be ignored. For he craves attention more than anything. It validates his existence.

You do what you want, but I'm not going to waste my time with this nut any more. (He will now, predictably, claim this as a victory over me. Little does he realize I don't care WHAT he thinks.)

He's not even worth ridiculing.

Illness of his depth and breadth is worth only pity.

its just a hobby of mine pointing out when people have said somthing stupid.

Unfortunately most of the people here arent worth talking to in as far as they are so stuck in their own position that no amount of facts could convince them otherwise... but on the other hand there is some value to me in as far as it is ammusing to see what happens if they are confronted by the facts.

I lose patience too quickly.

I'm glad someone is willing to fight the good fight to the bitter end.

Especially with opponents too stupid to notice they've been defeated.

>>even though the US might have suppported some of these reigemes that was not the main reason for their power.>>:

i see no other reason for their power - do you?...

or are baseless assertions what you're all about?

->> But it undermines itself with the charade of these votes that it looses or almost looses. >>:

that's right - so be it.

>>Some of it is most isn't.>>:

prove it.

>>>B) the current palistinians are different from those people who it would be odd to call palistinians. The section if the bible is somthing along the likes of "they sinned against god so we punish them" That is why there is a "leave nothing that breathes" in the same way that there is nothing left after sodom and gomorah.

The point is that there is no reason to believe these things are generalizable from that time to this one or that situation to another. The palistinians being "children of the book" are the genociders not the genocidees in this script. >>>:

sure the current palestinians may be different - although palestinian arabs are attested to in the bible at least as early as the book of ezra:but it's precisely your sponsors perle feith and the rest of them king david wannsee thugs that are making the connection in proclaiming their god given right to great israel not i.

it's true that the excuse for the torah prescribed genocide of the nonjews in palestine who wouldn't surrender to jewish enslavement of them is those people's sins - but when the torah gets down to describing those sins,it turns out that their only sin is to adore other gods and to make human sacrifices - which the god of the jews required too from its elected people as attested in isaac's episode and in the splendid judges jephtha tale.

the prescribed genocide in deut is a genocide of non jews by jews.- call it a holocaust.

end of story.

>> I could go into details but it takes more space than we have here to prove that sort of thing. >>:

nice excuse.

then refrain from making dogmatic points though,cuz noonr here believes your unholy word.

what a truckload of pseudoarguments - anyway,finally the last one to demolish for now:





>>So the US created a state that would disobey its peoples wishes and oppose jews and israel. does that make any sense?>>:

no,you don't get it or pretend not to:

the us created regimes like saudi arabia etc that formally pay lip service to their people's antisionist stance but in substance serve the us or rather wall street's economic interests -the only reason for the us to prop them up at all.

get the drift now moley?

pure and simple. He is so focused on his hatred he has room for nothing else. It's pointless to debate him; when trapped by logic, he wriggles free by changing the subject and personal attacks...and then claims a victory.

its just a hobby of mine pointing out when moles like scottie have said something stupid.

Unfortunately most of the moles here aren't worth talking to in as far as they are so stuck in their own position that no amount of facts could convince them otherwise... but on the other hand there is some value to me in as far as it is amusing to see what happens if they are confronted by the facts.

"Unfortunately most of the moles here aren't worth talking to"

And yet you spend HOURS frantically responding to every post multiple times.

HMMMM? Maybe because it's your job to do so?

I believe we've uncovered our first bona fide shill.

Working to make the left look utterly ridiculous and irellevant.

Nice work agency boy.

you are - i think that the reason adrian and others devote their precious energies to blast away at you resident indy trolls is because they bona fide want to warn and inform new indyans about what's going on here with you payed regime spammers.

it is very important to do that so such people have all my support.

cheerio.

ps will you kiss my butt? you sound like a real macho...talk to me,i'm crazy in love...

Cheerio - please tell me when my next spelling lesson is.

I can only hope it'll cover such tricky words and obscure phrasing such as...

"they bona fide want to"

"indyans "

"payed "

I am a religious fanatic, cuz i only love Jews.

Fuck everyone else!

I am also a recovering drug addict....

so i lack credibility....

In fact, my testimony wouldnt even be used in court

because i am an addict.

I love to point the finger the other way and say how

i hate paleostinians and arab scum......

But if you talk about the Jews....

Watch me go off on you and call you a

neo nazi....

But in all actuality....thats how extreme my views are

I AM ALSO A RELIGOUS EXTREMIST.

>>i see no other reason for their power - do you?...

yes I see millions of reasons including aspects of history usually some degree of apparent legitimacy with the people (royal family or some religious nod or whatever) complex networks of influential tribesmen etc. It is odd that you are completely oblivious to these reasons which are the usual reasons.

The US involvement is a miniscule part of it. IF the US was the main part then you would see an american ruling all of the arab states totally inspite of any opinion of the people or even the countries desperatly trying to be part of the US. The fact that the latter is more influential than the former is why that would not happen. The fact that the US may have loaned some money or sold a weapon to one side or the other does not amount to a major cause because the US didnt choose the sides involved those were preselected by other forces so that neither side is reallly "pro US" and the US's assistance would only be enough to swing the balance if the sides are very even due to millions of other things OR if they actively invade the state like in afganistain.

>>prove it.

- most of us probably have acess to a copy of the bible so I suggest anyone go to it and have a read. Any proof I could provide would be inferior to you jsut opening the book at a couple of random pages.

>> sure the current palestinians may be different - although palestinian arabs are attested to in the bible at least as early as the book of ezra:but it's precisely your sponsors perle feith and the rest of them king david wannsee thugs that are making the connection in proclaiming their god given right to great israel not i.

- Quite frankly I dont care about their "god given rights" either. So go argue that with someone who cares.

>> the us created regimes like saudi arabia etc that formally pay lip service to their people's antisionist stance but in substance serve the us or rather wall street's economic interests -the only reason for the us to prop them up at all.

A) you have a misconception about power.

For example if you eat food live in a house or speak english you apply a certain amount of pressure on those around you not to eat your food live in your space and to speak english also.

Getting close to the current example - if you come to china it is most likely that you will work within the chineese system and learn chineese in order to do business. You could argue that that is coersion but the alternitive it to force at least some of them to operate within your system or for you to accept a lower standard of living.

Acutally in the context of america and saudi arabia it is effectively the aericans offering a slightly higher standard of living if they operate within the system of the rest of the world.



As to politics there are some policies that the people believe would be good but at a politicians level it is clear would be bad. For example the people generally want to cut taxes and increace health care. yoour average person wants both. The government has to realise that it cant do both (usually).

The us governments actions have bigger effects than those of jordan for example so the US cant help but have more influence on them even if it is purely self sacrificial since it has hundreds of countries it would have to cow -tow to making each individual country seemingly powerless.

and of course of christians and muslims too,whose murderous religions are just like judaism torah-based.

here's another example:

leviticus 20,13:

>>if a man also lie with mankind,as he lieth with a woman,both of them have committed an abomination:they shall surely be put to death;their blood shall be upon them
not only homophobia,no - it's genocidal homophobia - just like the nazis,but worse because more dogmatic:

faith-based,"god"-based.

contemporary greeks knew better - homosexuality for them was as normal as it gets - actually bisexuality,for they married and at the same time had boy-lovers.

the torah oughta carry the same parental advisory as gangsta rap cds:

EXPLICIT LYRICS! - keep away from minors and from schools - ban sunday schools!!!

...than even mein kampf.

because mein kampf was based on a pseudoscientific theory of aryan superiority,which jessy owens ridiculed in a few seconds at the 1936 berlin olympics.

whereas the bible,the torah,the koran are based on faith - fanatic fundamentalism that tolerates no rational discourse - do you question god?....

pity that there is no proof that this bloody god actually exists - therefore faith has nothing to offer but false certainties.

among the excuses and false pretexts given by "god" to moses in deuteronomy to justify the genocide of palestinians opposed to jewish imperialism is the assertion that non jewish peoples of palestine practiced human sacrifices -

when in fact the god of the torah and of the bible is quite some cannibal too - as attested to not only in the famous isaac episode,but also and most beautifully from an artistic standpoint in judges,11,30-40:

the jephtha tale.

i recommend you guys out there pick up your bible and read that quote first - i'll be back with you shortly for some counter-exegesis...

now jephtha the judge- that is,the leader of israel at the time,vows to his cannibal god that if he prevails over the ammonites he will offer in human sacrifice the first creature that comes out of the doors of his house to welcome him back.

but jeff would never have imagined that the first creature that runs outside to meet him would be not a fucking nonjewish slave to be easily disposed of but...his own teenage daughter,dancing and shaking a tambourine.

and she was his only child.

now at this point you would expect the lord to tell jeff at the last moment that he'd been teasin' and testin' just like he'd done with ole father abraham - but no...

teenie jewish iphigenia asks for 2 months of reprieve to be able to retreat to the mountains and wail - and then,she gets dealt with according to her paranoid father's vow to a psychopathic god whose only good feature is that he cannot possibly exist.

the whole passage is heart-rending even in the king james version - it is clear that the author emotionally sides for the girl's life,but cannot say so because he's spinning the tale from the power pigs' point of view who use religion to terrorize people into submitting to the rule of authority no matter if right or wrong.

Isaac's sacrifice was not required. The willingness to sacrifice him was.

Can you see the difference?

Doubt it.

i think it is helpful to dwell in depth on deuteronomy,chapter 20 - a condensed manual for genocide,ethnic cleansing,mass rape and assorted crimes against humanity in general.

reader be aware of the deuteronomy context as a whole first,lest you might think that chapter 20 is a somewhat isolated or out of place insertion.

the context of deut is of "god" ordering to the people of israel via moses to conquer the promised land ie palestine no matter how much nonjewish -AND dissident jewish,as i shall expound below - innocent life get destroyed in the process.

sounds familiar?

now back to chapter 20:

verses 1-20 expound the usual dogmatic bullcrap of fighting with "god on our side" - pre-nazified bob dylan docet.

starting from line10 however,this hitlerian god gets down to the nitty gritty of detailing the genocidal process with truly teutonic precision and bureaucraticism:

deut 20,10 sq:when thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it,then proclaim peace unto it>> - sounds familiar? doesn't busharon always want peace?....-

>>and it shall be,if it make thee answer of peace,and open unto thee,then it shall be,that ALL THE PEOPLE THAT IS FOUNDTHEREIN SHALL BE TRIBUTARIES UNTO THEE,AND THEY SHALL SERVE THEE
GETTIN' THE DRIFT READER? it's what moderns have named imperialism,colonialism etc:

attacking a people to rob it of its land and independence,make it pay taxes to ya,enslave it - that is,IF they surrender without resistance...

...very few preachers are preaching genocide out of Deuteronomy.

Unlike, as I have proven to you before, similar calls for genocide by imams.

Futhermore, Jesus' preaching kinda did away with all the "smite them until they die" stuff, didn't it?

But that sorta undermines your argument, so you will discount it and call me names.

NA, you gotta let it go.

You're arguing (quite well of course and quite irrefutably) with a cement wall.

What's more is that you are quite possibly arguing with someone who agrees with you but is employed to reitterate such inane views.

...and I've said before I was going to ignore him, but good Lord, I can't let him go unchallenged.

I know, it's hopeless...he's irretreivably stuck in his little world. And rather than join him there, I'd have him come out into the light.

Unless, as you suggest, he actually IS the "paid shill" of imc legend.

If that's the case, he's doing a great job.

"Unless, as you suggest, he actually IS the "paid shill" of imc legend. "

He and hex both.

There is simply no other explanation for the madness.

Whether he's a shill or not, I'm definetely looking forward to the few dozen or so posts that he'll no doubt rattle off in the coming hours.

I cant really say that I've had an original thought in quite some time.

All I can think of is how much Hate I have in my mind.

I would never think to venture out into the real world and do anything about it.

I only care about Jews!!

Fuck those A-rab sand niggers, shit I would love to be first in line to put a knife into their babies.

I love Israel, so fucking much....

Whats that?

No, i've never read any books on history.

Thus i will always repeat it.

...and his alternicks like nonanarchist...:

>>wow - he even failed the no brainer

by Hex anon w/ encryption Tuesday October 28, 2003 12:02 PM



fresca > nonanarchist > daveman > "J" > Jerry > Jerry Lawson

here-(and boards where IP is shown)--LGF--IMC--LGF--Jerry's old blogs

I directly traced daveman/J to J on LGF, where "Jerry" appears and the blogs in question are mentioned.

Then a general search also confirmed the 2 blogs.

Reading both blogs in thier entirety revealed the exact same details fresca leaked ;

retired or close to, military reservist who'se never seen combat yet roots for other's to do so

same part of the country (eastern seaboard)

same general job description (sits on his ass all day)

and most importantly (as revealed by his old blogs) exact same attitudes about the specific issues he brings up himself on here, LGF and the global IMC

same level of technical background (very little) too..

everything matches - some aspects cross-match in up to 3 ways (here, LGF, his blogs)

Like kobe, you left too many droppings and a trail back to your older days when you used your real name.

I did an extensive search on "Jerry Lawson" - there's several others's with the same name that had to be weeded out... Your background and interests gave you away.

You weren't careful enough to cover your tracks back to the old days where you freely used your full name - the key part of the trace was LGF posts

"Scottie" appears to be Scott Danahy as well (I've only just started investigating him)

I'm digging dirt on all LGF'ers including charles the perv

As for me you can dig all you like but you will NEVER see my real name because I never used it - I've been anonymous since day one and the places I started out at don't exist anymore. I will continue to expose people like you however

Why you ask ?

What's this "obsession" I have ?

It's LGF's tactics turned around - this is what THEY spend thier time doing, trying to uncover and expose "leftists", trying to find out who they are, where they live, etc

I see it going on all the time - as soon as some person or web site is on LGF's radar screen the very first thing they do is work to expose and uncover the person's identities - while trying (poorly I might add) to hide thier own - just like you'all do on here - like kobe does.

So since I'm anon from the get go, and you have no chance at all to uncover MY identity, I can turn the tables and work to expose YOU while remaining safely anonymous.

Anti-LGF, using the same dirty tactics LGF uses against the *people I support*.

After 2 years of kobe and DeVoy games, kobe is gone, even after he promised to "post here everyday to prove he can".

The new evidence of his death threat to Davis combined with banning by IP seems to have done the trick.

So much for his "expertise"...

So much for his innocence too (if he really was innocent he would have no concern at all about what I posted and *would still be here*)

If he really was an expert he would have no problem posting here with something as minor as his IP banned

This shows he can't even switch proxies effectively.

Now with all working proxies at IMC's fingertips, his available pool of proxies to use have been reduced 99 percent too - and anyone else who tries to abuse proxies.

and this hate thing - we've been over this 3 times now, you're going circular on me again (spin cycle)

maybe fresca can show us where kobe's daily post "to prove he can" is because I can't find them - even in the hidden comments.. >>

HEX I'M ON YOUR SIDE

by adrian more Wednesday October 29, 2003 11:35 PM



cyberfighting against da trolls

i think i'm figuring out what you've been trying to do,hex anon w/encryption,and I'd like to let you know i'm fully and squarely on your side in the fight against these goddam judeochristonazi trolls.

first i'd like to give la readers an idea of your precious work by reposting one of your great recent comments:



>>wow - he even failed the no brainer

by Hex anon w/ encryption Tuesday October 28, 2003 12:02 PM



fresca > nonanarchist > daveman > "J" > Jerry > Jerry Lawson

here-(and boards where IP is shown)--LGF--IMC--LGF--Jerry's old blogs

I directly traced daveman/J to J on LGF, where "Jerry" appears and the blogs in question are mentioned.

Then a general search also confirmed the 2 blogs.

Reading both blogs in thier entirety revealed the exact same details fresca leaked ;

retired or close to, military reservist who'se never seen combat yet roots for other's to do so

same part of the country (eastern seaboard)

same general job description (sits on his ass all day)

and most importantly (as revealed by his old blogs) exact same attitudes about the specific issues he brings up himself on here, LGF and the global IMC

same level of technical background (very little) too..

everything matches - some aspects cross-match in up to 3 ways (here, LGF, his blogs)

Like kobe, you left too many droppings and a trail back to your older days when you used your real name.

I did an extensive search on "Jerry Lawson" - there's several others's with the same name that had to be weeded out... Your background and interests gave you away.

You weren't careful enough to cover your tracks back to the old days where you freely used your full name - the key part of the trace was LGF posts

"Scottie" appears to be Scott Danahy as well (I've only just started investigating him)

I'm digging dirt on all LGF'ers including charles the perv

As for me you can dig all you like but you will NEVER see my real name because I never used it - I've been anonymous since day one and the places I started out at don't exist anymore. I will continue to expose people like you however

Why you ask ?

What's this "obsession" I have ?

It's LGF's tactics turned around - this is what THEY spend thier time doing, trying to uncover and expose "leftists", trying to find out who they are, where they live, etc

I see it going on all the time - as soon as some person or web site is on LGF's radar screen the very first thing they do is work to expose and uncover the person's identities - while trying (poorly I might add) to hide thier own - just like you'all do on here - like kobe does.

So since I'm anon from the get go, and you have no chance at all to uncover MY identity, I can turn the tables and work to expose YOU while remaining safely anonymous.

Anti-LGF, using the same dirty tactics LGF uses against the *people I support*.

After 2 years of kobe and DeVoy games, kobe is gone, even after he promised to "post here everyday to prove he can".

The new evidence of his death threat to Davis combined with banning by IP seems to have done the trick.

So much for his "expertise"...

So much for his innocence too (if he really was innocent he would have no concern at all about what I posted and *would still be here*)

If he really was an expert he would have no problem posting here with something as minor as his IP banned

This shows he can't even switch proxies effectively.

Now with all working proxies at IMC's fingertips, his available pool of proxies to use have been reduced 99 percent too - and anyone else who tries to abuse proxies.

and this hate thing - we've been over this 3 times now, you're going circular on me again (spin cycle)

maybe fresca can show us where kobe's daily post "to prove he can" is because I can't find them - even in the hidden comments.. >>.



new readers who've just approached indy - ANY well-attended indy site - will notice in no time how there appears to be a host of fascist posters who seem to have a helluva lotta time on their fuckin' hands -

actually they seem to have ALL the time in the world - to savagely and crassly attack logical critical free and especially antisionist antibush thinking on indy.

it is clearly a worldwide orchestrated campaign whose backers can only be those who benefit from silencing spamming dissent:

the judeochristonazi trimurti that rules da world - busharonblair and their cronies worldwide.

reader notice how no matter what time you log on to la or any given indy site,no matter what day or time of year you'll find such agents provocateurs as:

here on la :

fresca=daveman=nonanarchist=scottie and so on and on with an endless string of self-multiplied monikers.

hex quoted above has chosen a technical approach to try and unmask these bastards who daily circle free thinking on indy like vultures circle their prey.

i have chosen a purely logical approach,based on nearly 2 years of experience on indy on my part - and i have reached exactly th same conclusions as hex:

1.normally i would have nothing against nazis posting on a leftwing site because i'm in favor of freedom and i know that when confronted with logical thinking nazis can only ridicule themselves.

2.normally i wouldn't approve of hex's or my attempts to track down and identify these sobs because i'm in favor of privacy

3.BUT I AM ALSO IN FAVOR OF LEGITIMATE DEFENSE - AND SINCE THEY ARE DOING IT TO US,WE'VE BEGUN TO DO IT TO THEM

4.what they've done to us?

well i'm not just talking about the daily spam harassing on indy.

I'M TALKING ABOUT 6 DEATH THREATS THAT I HAVE RECEIVED FROM THEM IN LESS THAN 2 YEARS - not here on la,on other sites;

I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CONSTANT ATTEMPT TO CAPTURE MY PERSONAL DATA BY POSING AS SUPPORTERS,SENDING ME EMAILS AND ASKING ME TO WRITE TO THEM,AND THEN POSTING MY EMAIL ADDRESS ON INDY IN THE VAIN ATTEMPT TO SCARE ME OFF THE WIRE.

and on and on with the harassment of dissent.

well look what happened to mr buchanan of the new hampshire gazette,gestapoized america has always acted like that.

it is time to react.

i totally agree with hex that the fresca shill must be spamming from new england given the ungodly - for la - hours at which he starts his spam shifts.

i totally agree with hex that he and his colleagues are probably retired psychopats who fit the all-american-bullet-headed profile.

that's because they have nothing to do all day.

thay are probably getting paid,but it could even be that they volunteer if they are retired because thay are true believers in the stars and swastika.

there's probably 2 or 3 of them alternating on indy because 1 single person could not possibly handle the 24/7 wire spamming they are performing.

they may be jews - not that it counts much,but they usually focus on antisionist posts more than anything else,so they are either sonist jews or soinist christian nazis.

it is absolutely necessary that not only few people like hex or meyer london or myself counter these bushiite terrorists - but if you readers have 1 or 2 hours a day to help us rescue indy from fascist spam,and if you think you have debating skills or computer skills that might enable the identification of the pigs and help counter thir spam - then HELP.

because these guys are using death threats as hex has documented too and we gotta make them feel the heat as well.

spreading the word is nothing without the sword.

help us if you will with both - the word of freedom and equality for mankind,and the sword to protect our freedom before thay take whatever's left of it away from us.

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK HEX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sincerely yours,

adrian more.

here's some delicacy by the judeochristonazi nonanarchist=fresca=jerry lawson:

>>...very few preachers are preaching genocide out of Deuteronomy. >>:

1.not quite:

see the recent wannsee konferenz at the king david hotel in jerusalem where such massmurderers as perle feith etc with their christian zionazi counterparts advocated great israel as based upon the torah ie deuteronomy

not to mention the recently included in the us list of terrorist orgs kach cult from nyc

furthermore,until the torah stands and is not abolished,there's always the potential danger to humanity that motherfuckers like perle etc might wave it again to justify future genocides - precisely what perle was doing at the king david ranting away that syria must be attacked

more ignorant nonsense by nonanarchist=fresca=paid shill spamming the wire 24/7 on behalf of his bushiite orchestrators:

>>Futhermore, Jesus' preaching kinda did away with all the "smite them until they die" stuff, didn't it? >>:

not quite - the canonic gospels are full of contradictions about jesus' - or the alleged jesus' true message.

for example,at one point jesus allegedly said to his disciples:

>>but now,he who doesn't have a sword,go and get one
as prof robert eisenman of orange county cali state university aptly showed in his 98 book james the brother of jesus,the gospels and the entire new testament are an intricate web of interpolations,falsifications,concealments of jesus' original message - which was most likely,if history has any logic to it,a violent antiroman message in the name of some sort of communist theocracy.

but i certainly do not expect fascist dorks like nonanarchist the shill to do any reserach before they spam the wire 24/7:

fed script,not scripture,is what thay're all about - toeing the party line.

another example of canonic gospel contradiction is having jesus say,you've heard it said eye for an eye etc,but now turn the other cheeck etc - when in fact in the very same context jesus portrayed as saying the exact contrary:

that not an iota of the law - ie the torah - shall be changed.

and the torah as we'bve seen is anything but nonviolent.

>>is employed to reitterate such inane views.>>:

another typical instance of bushiite shill tactics:

1.fresca you need a spellchecker:

reiterate not reitterate

2.turn the argued paid-shill accusation against them into a NON-argued,false and ridiculous shill name calling against me.

3.notice reader how if you closely examine my posts or even google me my indy posts are NEVER ever CONTINUOUSLY covering entire day spans like theirs

4.also notice how i've been absent from the wire for months at a a time over the past 2 years - ever since i began posting on indy in the first place

5.also notice please how i can hardly afford to post 2 or 3 net hours a day,MAYBE 4 when i really strain myself,and not even continuously

6.AND MOST IMPORTANTLY WHO THE HELL WOULD EMPLOY ME? CUI PRODEST? HAVE YOU NOTICED HOW MY VIEWS,ALBEIT LEFTWING AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED,HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MAINSTREAM LEFT-IN-DENIAL AS REPRESENTED HERE ON INDY FOR INSTANCE?

7.whereas it's all too clear cui bono to employ retired new england judeochristonazi psychopaths the likes of fresca=nonanarchist.

Whether fresca=nonanarchist's a shill or not, I'm definetely looking forward to the few dozen or so posts that he'll no doubt rattle off in the coming hours.

god only knows under which self-multiplied monikers to make it seem that there's more than one fascist thug spamming the wire at the same time.

"new england judeochristonazi psychopaths "

Not just any "judeochristonazi (spellcheck please! -judeochristIAnazi) pyschopaths mind you, but NEW ENGLAND judeochristonazi (sic) psychopaths.

The cream of the judeochristonazi(sic) psychopath crop.

"god only knows under which self-multiplied monikers to make it seem that there's more than one fascist thug spamming the wire at the same time."

Why bother, adrain? You're so full of yourself, there's no room for anything else to get shoehorned in.

Personally, I think adrian more is a hive mind itself.

No one person could be that crazy.

and take English classes:

>>(spellcheck please! -judeochristIAnazi)>>:

judeochrisTOnazi is my own neologism - it does not only mean nazis with judeochristian values as your stupid correction would imply - it means actual jews and christians who are also nazis or behave as such,like bush and sharon and you.

christo i formed after judeo and i'm perfectly authorized to do so.

go back to school,tool.

ps moreover in your version it would have to be judeochristiannazi with 2 ns not 1 as you wrongly spelled for a change.

The similarities between him and hex (obsession with his hatred of Jews and Israel, his obsession with us , as "trolls") are very striking.

And now with this new "alliance" they have....

Well....

>>Personally, I think adrian more is a hive mind itself.>>:

pity that you,more solito,are not able to provide us with any evidence for your usual baseless hogwash,fr...whoops,i meant narcoholic.

"pity that you,more solito,are not able to provide us with any evidence for your usual baseless hogwash,fr...whoops,i meant narcoholic. "

No such thing as evidence on an internet message board.

But I do know this.

You are scoring massive EV points.

whence on earth do you gather my alleged hatred for Jews?

prove it or fuck off,you nazi motherfucker whose paymaster bush's grandfathers were behind the rise of hitler and the holocaust...

First of all settle down child.

Secondly, please reread your posts.

I didn't write 'em.

Your the author of all this "mispelled "judeochristonazi" bullshit and also of the gem, "they might be Jews" concerning this "supertroll" investigation you and hex (you and yourself) are so obsessed with.

That you hate ALL religions is immaterial.

You're a hater.

Gotcha jackass.

quoting out of context from today's post of mine HEX I'M ON YOUR SIDE to distort what i'm saying into antisemitism is an old pathetic trick man.

i wrote that you might be a jew and i added - not that it counts much.

the latter part you obviously omitted to make it appear antisemitic,when in fact all i'm doing is trying to profile you as what you are - a judeochristonazi bushiite paid shill,whether you're a jew or not.

but i am just trying to get as close as i can to phisically identifying you shills just in case,since i'm up to my nose with death theats all over indy and crass insulting in the place of counterarguments.

and i just want you to know in passing that if anything ever happens to me or any comrade as a consequenceof shill death threats,you are a dead man walking.

fresca=daveman=nonanarchist=scottie and so on and on with an endless string of self-multiplied monikers.

- even hex admits I am not part of that.

Im a super troll all by myself.

> 3.BUT I AM ALSO IN FAVOR OF LEGITIMATE DEFENSE - AND SINCE THEY ARE DOING IT TO US,WE'VE BEGUN TO DO IT TO THEM

The problem(besides the obvious) with this is your definition of "them". For example of a leftist person mugs me on the street and takes some money woould i then have the right to steal money from any other left leaning person I see?

> I'M TALKING ABOUT 6 DEATH THREATS THAT I HAVE RECEIVED FROM THEM IN LESS THAN 2 YEARS - not here on la,on other sites;

- Firstly I dont know the cases my best guess is that they were flippant death threats but if htey were backed up with actual actions (such as visiting your house or whatever) then I empathise with you. But frankly I doubt that is the case.

"pity that you,more solito,are not able to provide us with any evidence for your usual baseless hogwash,fr...whoops,i meant narcoholic."

Indeed. And I must have missed the MASSIVE amount of evidence that proves your assertion that us trolls are the same guy. There's that charming trait of yours again: hypocrisy.

"but i am just trying to get as close as i can to phisically identifying you shills just in case,since i'm up to my nose with death theats all over indy and crass insulting in the place of counterarguments."

Have you received any death threats from me? No? No apology required...nor expected.

"and i just want you to know in passing that if anything ever happens to me or any comrade as a consequenceof shill death threats,you are a dead man walking."

Gee...that wouldn't be a DEATH THREAT, would it?

Sure looks like one.

Hypocrite.

adrian is going to kill all of the conservatives on IMC (obviously using hex's "natural abilities" to track people down). if he or any other liberal dies. Hmm some one has to lay off the drugs.

> going to kill all of the conservatives on IMC

naw man - I wouldn't do anything

I'd even risk my own life to stop someone else from killing you - I will do that for anybody

but you have to realize 2 things

1.) each person is responsible for his own actions

2.) you don't present yourself as a real person - you keep fliting from handle to handle like a butterfly

people who do get priority and have credibility

besides which you're a troll

but if I saw you in person about to be killed I would try to stop it

that's 1,000 X's better than you and your "death to all Muslims" bullshit

No hex I didn’t mean you would do that. but adiran might (well he might try heh).

Your a nice loving and caring guy (even if you do seem to be a bit reckless and not cognisant of the consequences of your own actions) and if some crazy dude tries to kill you can hide in my basement like any other person (come on over any time).

And anyway since you've already accepted I'm not any of the other main nicks on here can you stop projecting opinions you think you have seen posted on here onto me (actually I don’t think anyone has said "death to all Muslims").

> I dont think anyone has said "death to all Muslims

yes - a bunch of times, but it's nice to see you back off that position

those infants look just like american infants and they can't be terrorists, then there's guys like us who want to defend our families and country (just look at it from thier point of view)

we make some trouble then whole villages and towns get tanks, bulldozed, shot at

those guys in the pictures are just like us, and the kids and elders are like our relatives too...



TV propaganda lies get's you to think of the people in these pictures as sub-human

pretty soon you'll get to thinking everyone is, if you had kept going down that path

that's what the war_room.mp3 file was about - the hate can get us all killed

http://la.indymedia.org/uploads/war_room.mp3

but backed into the corner on the question of if it came down to you or me (if I absolutely had to kill you to keep you from killing me) I afraid I'd be dead meat

but if those are the cards life deals me there's not much else a person can do other than become a murderer

I have many effective ways to redirect attempts to attack me, and special technical skills and methods (like knock you out with a small bolt of lighting several inches long from a "rock" I throw at you)

or a spray I have

---> I dont think anyone has said "death to all Muslims

yes - a bunch of times, but it's nice to see you back off that position---

Please post comments of mine that show where I've called for death to all Muslims.

And please stick to using posts be nonanarchist;

you have proven the "supertroll" theory to no one's satisfaction (except the ones who WANT to believe it).

Quick, Hex! What's my IP?

> quick - dance with me

no thanks nonbrainonus

>>For example of a leftist person mugs me on the street and takes some money woould i then have the right to steal money from any other left leaning person I see? >>:

no but you do have a right to steal money from the persone who stole yours - to recoup your money that is.

and i have a right to kill anyone who tries to kill me.

and i have a right to counterinsult anyone who insults me.

and i have a right to track down anyone who tries to track me down.

it's called legitimate defense - a phrasing i prefer to self -defense because if you see someone trying to kill someone else you have a RIGHT to kill the would-be killer even if the victim is not your self.

>>Indeed. And I must have missed the MASSIVE amount of evidence that proves your assertion that us trolls are the same guy.>>:

so here's to you again - not for you but for authentic new readers:

1.hex has been working on identifying you trolls by using technology - let him make his own case,which he's already made on several threads

2.as for me,i prefer a purely logical approach,whose results nicely dovetail with hex's

3.it would be absurd for nazis like you and your alternicks like fresca and colleagues like scottie to spam a leftist sight around the clock 24/7 at your own expense - unless you're nuts or bill gate's deranged daughters...

4.therefore someone is orchestrating your trolling campaign in sabotage of critical thinking,and at the very least picking up your internet tab if not paying you

5.according to hex's research:

fresca - notice reader how this particular nick has disappeared ever since hex unmasked him - is a retired army reservist from south carolina who works 16- hour shifts every day spamming indy;

fresca and nonanarchist are the same person - although of course after getting tracked down such nicks may be shifted to other trolls around the country

fresca's real name is jerry lawson.

for more on this story,read my post HEX I'M ON YOUR SIDE.

>>"and i just want you to know in passing that if anything ever happens to me or any comrade as a consequenceof shill death threats,you are a dead man walking."

Gee...that wouldn't be a DEATH THREAT, would it?

Sure looks like one. >>:

oh and it is one indeed,so be warned:

JUST IN CASE i should ever ascertain that violence is originating from or thru you shills targeting me or any other comrade and related persons,i have a right to legitimate defense as stated above.

>>adrian is going to kill all of the conservatives on IMC (obviously using hex's "natural abilities" to track people down). if he or any other liberal dies. Hmm some one has to lay off the drugs.>>:

1.i'm not a liberal - i'm a communist

2.if i die,be sure there's quite a few people that can deal with the killer.

> yes - a bunch of times, but it's nice to see you back off that position

With all your research you should be able to show a place where someone said "death to all Muslims" in which case I might use linguistics to tell you who it was, by the way it wasn't me.

> those infants look just like American infants and they can't be terrorists, then there's guys like us who want to defend our families and country (just look at it from their point of view)

If you cant understand a person it is generally because you don’t want to understand them so that you can dismiss them as you indicate above. But understanding doesn not mean supporting. The point is It is possible to understand everyone. I’m perfectly able to understand why a murder occurs or why Hitler did what he did. but that doesn’t make what they did any more right.

>weapons.

your a little paranoid I think. I wonder how often in your life has this become relevant and how many of these people are pissed off people from the internet? You know I've never had to hurt anyone since high school.

> no but you do have a right to steal money from the person who stole yours - to recoup your money that is.

- actually I would dispute that the problem not being the money but the fact that you would have to

A) act as judge and jury and police (always a bad combination)

B) you would then be committing a physical crime against the person who would then have a right to defend himself etc.

Although I would not have a huge problem with you taking action in the heat of the moment but an attempt to track him down afterwards, I think not.

> and I have a right to kill anyone who tries to kill me.

- only if that is the only option. If he tries to kill you and fails miserably then you cant just tie him up give him Chinese water torture until he dies. you would just be a sick bastard. If reasonably possible you have an obligation to not kill a person.

> it's called legitimate defence - a phrasing I prefer to self -defence because if you see someone trying to kill someone else you have a RIGHT to kill the would-be killer even if the victim is not your self.

hmmm you don't realise how big a problem your theory could become?

>3.it would be absurd for Nazis like you and your alter nicks like fresca and colleagues like Scottie to spam a leftist sight around the clock 24/7 at your own expense - unless you're nuts or bill gate's deranged daughters...

It is called EV. you provide it. That is our payment.

>- oh and it is one indeed, so be warned:

just repeating it. we don’t want anyone to forget.

"oh and it is one indeed,so be warned"

Your hypocrisy knows no bounds, doesn't it?

You were just whining about receiving death threats, weren't you?

You are such a whiny child. Not enough discipline when you were younger, it seems.

FIDO: "Your hypocrisy knows no bounds, doesn't it? "

Are you talking about Adrian or your beloved pResident and his minions?



Now, be a good doggie Fido...lick your balls...what?..no balls?...well, try the ARSEhole....thaaat's it LICK AWAY like a GOOOOOOD DOGGGIE!

"Are you talking about Adrian or your beloved pResident and his minions? "

Adrian, of course.

Not OUR President.

C'mon KPC, bitch all you want but you know you love him.

"Hey, if I could reach, I'd never leave the house!"

--George Carlin

Hey, Chicken Boy, thanks for the mindless obscenity.

You know, someday, your brain might actually start functioning, and then you won't need to use foul language.

But I doubt it.

im george bush's biggest cheerleader.

No, i would never actually volunteer for a frontline combat unit.

I like to be in the rear....with the gear.

No balls.

I write on the computer to fight for freedom.

what a pathetic loser i am

That is hard to imagine...but then again....African Americans don't seem to have such an overwhelming propensity to blow themselves up in the middle of crowds.

You know, like those lovable "palestinians".

If I may...8 out of ten african americans wil end up in jail before they are 26. Not blowing themselves up, indeed, but it's possible to see the relationship between the way 'authorities' treat those who don't sit quite right with the system...

That 'good guy, bad guy' bullshit you spout is stale, pal.

"8 out of ten african americans wil end up in jail before they are 26."

Are you trying to say that these 8 people will have NOT committed a crime, yet will wind up in jail purely for the color of their skin.

Your "whitey is keepin' the black man down" rhetoric is getting even more stale.

By the way, rsklnkv, what's your point? That since 8 out of ten African Americans will wind up in jail that we SHOULD treat them as terrorists and high risk?

What an ass,

Oh and I'm just assuming that you made a typo with your fiqures.

No one could actually believe that a full 80% of all African Americans are going to wind up in jail.

That's utterly insane.

Actually, Fresca. It is true that in the US nearly 80% of black males betweeen 18-30 will spend time locked up. Hard to believe, I know. But it's a statistical fact. How far do we trust statistics, I don't know. Hoever, to discount the parent post like you did with such certainty is quite stunning. Perhaps disproving the statement with some of your own info would be a good idea in the future. Or facing the fact that the 'justice system' in the US is racist by nature.

I admire those with the courage to criticize the terror state of israel

Keep up the good wlork! Don't let the right wing war monger fanatics shout you down! Keep speaking truth to power!

Why is this rightwing, racist crap on Indymedia?

"What is the evidence that the media is biased against Israel?"

from http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1991to_now_media_anti_israel_bias.php

And palestinefacts.org is a propaganda instrument of the ZOA -- the Zionist Organization of America

http://whois.com/WhoisLookup.aspx?dnl=palestinefacts.org

There's no "Mahtin Atta" byline attached to the article, either. The Zionist liar who posted the item made up an Arab-sounding author to go with it in the hope of TRICKING YOU into taking it seriously. Zionists lie desperately all the time because that's the ONLY means they have with which to construct a case in their own defense. Plus they have nothing but contempt for truth anyway. The Jewish triumph over "amelek" is more important than any stinking truth! You really gotta get to know these maniacs better, you know. They're out to destroy all hope for a world that is liveable for anyone but themselves

Mainstream media bias is overwhelmingly pro Israel.

No no no.

You're doing it too.

Just what the psychopaths do, call it 'Jewish'. No it's not. But don't hold your breath waiting for the Zionist PR agencies to quit wrapping their blood and brutality in many layers of 'Jewishness' like that one with the great pile of horseshit and the waiting lines of scoopers making the ' the smell is great' sign before going forth to shovel huge quantities of accumulated horse droppings.