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by Rocko
Thursday, Oct. 09, 2003 at 1:18 AM
Time to break up the union and invest in Atzlan.
Dear Mexico,
YOU CAN HAVE CALIFORNIA BACK. WE DON'T WANT IT ANYMORE.
Signed, The Disunited States.
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by G
Thursday, Oct. 09, 2003 at 2:33 AM
clf@freethegoldenstate.org
Well, we have been wanting out of the union for years, and if having Arnold as Governator is just so sick and disturbing (which it is) that the rest of the "USA" wants us out too, then that's fine by me! We'll take it!
But seriously, for all its weirdness and shame, the recall has done some good: voter registration and turnout are WAY up, a far larger and more diverse group of Californians participated in their democracy, and state politics were well shaken up in fine California tradition.
Besides, for all his faults (and he's like the San Andreas), Arnold "LOVES CALYFOHNIA", and so do I.
www.freethegoldenstate.org
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by G
Thursday, Oct. 09, 2003 at 3:30 AM
Wait, I agree with everything you said, accept the last line... everything you wrote about the political landscape and your own party is true and SAD!
All of those are reasons that I would a) never vote republican and b) never live in the "heartland". I mean, I come from a small farm town, and one that sadly is not ultra-diverse (though I dare say more so than Nebraska), and I appreciate some of the values of predominantly white, middle class, small town America. But are you actually saying it would be progress to have more people voting along the same lines as white, paranoid, close-minded, anti-union, prairie folk?
Well I just hope you realize that the results of yesterday's election stand far better as evidence that the people of California are pissed off by useless government officials (Dem or GOP) and ready to try something new. Although I am embarassed that it had to be through Ahhnold (who, by the way, I didn't vote for, but is nonetheless pretty OUT of line with "middle America" and your much-loved "president"), I would have to say that THAT, my friend, is progress.
www.freethegoldenstate.org
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by annie & libby
Thursday, Oct. 09, 2003 at 3:37 AM
"But are you actually saying it would be progress to have more people voting along the same lines as white, paranoid, close-minded, anti-union, prairie folk?"
We've got an idea to get people to see things our way. The people who live and work on the farmlands and ranches of America, you know, those people who are refered to as the backbone of America, the people who by doing what they do provide the jobs for the people living in the big cities, we'll spit in their faces. That's it! We'll make them out to be close-minded, racist, anti-worker, idiots. They won't like that and they'll want to make nice with us to get us to stop. Nothing like making fun of people to get them to see things our way. Let's do it!!
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by Ringo
Thursday, Oct. 09, 2003 at 4:37 AM
The red-necks of California (yes, the red-necks, not the good people that opposed Arnold) need to be taught a lesson. Politics has consequences. There should be a complete and total boycott of all things Californian. That will wake up the farmers and Hollywood.
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by John, Paul & George
Thursday, Oct. 09, 2003 at 4:43 AM
Yes, it does. And Gray-Out Doofus just found out what those consequences were.
Keep calling the very people you need in order to further your "movement" rednecks and other names and you'll reap the consequences of what you sow, too.
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by Floyd
Thursday, Oct. 09, 2003 at 4:51 AM
NAZIs are for defeating, not for converting.
Anyone that voted for Arnold is either a NAZI or a mindless stooge. Neither of those classes of people are valuable as supporters.
It's time to terminate California with a boycott.
We warned you. You voted for him anyway. Time to pay the piper.
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by Mandrake
Thursday, Oct. 09, 2003 at 5:30 AM
Friday, October 3, 2003 It's not what Arnold Schwarzenegger did to the girls a decade back that should raise an eyebrow. According to a series of memoranda our office obtained today, it's his dalliance with the boys in a hotel room just two years ago that's the real scandal.
The wannabe governor has yet to deny that on May 17, 2001, at the Peninsula Hotel in Los Angeles, he had consensual political intercourse with Enron chieftain Kenneth Lay. Also frolicking with Arnold and Ken was convicted stock swindler Mike Milken.
Now, thirty-four pages of internal Enron memoranda have just come through this reporter's fax machine tell all about the tryst between Maria's husband and the corporate con men. It turns out that Schwarzenegger knowingly joined the hush-hush encounter as part of a campaign to sabotage a Davis-Bustamante plan to make Enron and other power pirates then ravaging California pay back the $9 billion in illicit profits they carried off.
Here's the story Arnold doesn't want you to hear. The biggest single threat to Ken Lay and the electricity lords is a private lawsuit filed last year under California's unique Civil Code provision 17200, the "Unfair Business Practices Act." This litigation, heading to trial now in Los Angeles, would make the power companies return the $9 billion they filched from California electricity and gas customers.
It takes real cojones to bring such a suit. Who's the plaintiff taking on the bad guys? Cruz Bustamante, Lieutenant Governor and reluctant leading candidate against Schwarzenegger.
Now follow the action. One month after Cruz brings suit, Enron's Lay calls an emergency secret meeting in L.A. of his political buck-buddies, including Arnold. Their plan, to undercut Davis (according to Enron memos) and "solve" the energy crisis -- that is, make the Bustamante legal threat go away.
How can that be done? Follow the trail with me.
While Bustamante's kicking Enron butt in court, the Davis Administration is simultaneously demanding that George Bush's energy regulators order the $9 billion refund. Don't hold your breath: Bush's Federal Energy Regulatory Commission is headed by a guy proposed by … Ken Lay.
But Bush's boys on the commission have a problem. The evidence against the electricity barons is rock solid: fraudulent reporting of sales transactions, megawatt "laundering," fake power delivery scheduling and straight out conspiracy (including meetings in hotel rooms).
So the Bush commissioners cook up a terrific scheme: charge the companies with conspiracy but offer them, behind closed doors, deals in which they have to pay only two cents on each dollar they filched.
Problem: the slap-on-the-wrist refunds won't sail if the Governor of California won't play along. Solution: Re-call the Governor.
New Problem: the guy most likely to replace Davis is not Mr. Musclehead, but Cruz Bustamante, even a bigger threat to the power companies than Davis. Solution: smear Cruz because -- heaven forbid! -- he took donations from Injuns (instead of Ken Lay).
The pay-off? Once Arnold is Governor, he blesses the sweetheart settlements with the power companies. When that happens, Bustamante's court cases are probably lost. There aren't many judges who will let a case go to trial to protect a state if that a governor has already allowed the matter to be "settled" by a regulatory agency.
So think about this. The state of California is in the hole by $8 billion for the coming year. That's chump change next to the $8 TRILLION in deficits and surplus losses planned and incurred by George Bush. Nevertheless, the $8 billion deficit is the hanging rope California's right wing is using to lynch Governor Davis.
Yet only Davis and Bustamante are taking direct against to get back the $9 billion that was vacuumed out of the state by Enron, Reliant, Dynegy, Williams Company and the other Texas bandits who squeezed the state by the bulbs.
But if Arnold is selected, it's 'hasta la vista' to the $9 billion. When the electricity emperors whistle, Arnold comes -- to the Peninsula Hotel or the Governor's mansion. The he-man turns pussycat and curls up in their lap.
I asked Mr. Muscle's PR people to comment on the new Enron memos -- and his strange silence on Bustamante's suit or Davis' petition. But Arnold was too busy shaving off his Hitlerian mustache to respond.
The Enron memos were discovered by the Foundation for Taxpayer and Consumer Rights, Los Angeles, www.ConsumerWatchdog.org
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by water
Thursday, Oct. 09, 2003 at 5:45 AM
All of this means nothing anyway. It will especially mean nothing when Arnold is successful with getting this state back on its feet. People vote their wallets.
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by Micky
Thursday, Oct. 09, 2003 at 8:04 AM
Why do you believe an actor and sexual pervert has a chance of getting California back on its feet?
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by h
Thursday, Oct. 09, 2003 at 8:21 AM
Can Arnold get the California economy back on its feet? Maybe. Depends on the California legislatures' willingness to cooperate. They could stonewall, but that might backfire on them so they got to be careful. The people have definately sent a message they want something to change for the better in Sacremento.
Good chance that with his and his wife's family business connections, he can get advisers who will form a good team to see what needs to be trimmed and cut, etc. An elected official is only as good as those he surrounds himself with. But Dems can't continue these policies that are pushing business' out of the state, so good chance they'll come up with something. Don't forget, there are a lot of liberals who own businesses, too, and they want things to get better. And Davis and the legislature didn't get along all that well. There are some liberal legislatures who, off the record, are glad that Davis is gone.
But Arnold being married to Marie Kennedy Shriver might help him get some cooperation from the Dems who still hold the votes in the state legislature.
But if he gets the state back on its feet, the people won't care if he meets with every CEO in the country and he and Ted Kennedy group grops Arriana Huffington.
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by Meyer London
Thursday, Oct. 09, 2003 at 8:49 AM
Realistically speaking, white people living or working on farms and ranches in rural America make up a tiny percentage of the US population. While it would be a very bad idea to intentionally make them into enemies, the fact of the matter is that they are not a group who are going to decide this society's future. Can some of them be won over to anti-capitalism?Yes, by all means. But to deny that places like Bakersfield, CA, where I lived for four miserable years, are hotbeds of religious fanaticism, racism, militarism, xenophobia, male supremecy, and crude hatreds of all sorts would be to deny an obvious reality.
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by v
Thursday, Oct. 09, 2003 at 8:56 AM
Good. Then keep doing what you're doing and calling people names. That's how you'll win friends and influence people.
Some people never learn.
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by sdlkjf
Thursday, Oct. 09, 2003 at 9:01 AM
Idiot Boy wants "socialism".
Meyerdork, we all saw what happened in the Soviet Union, and it didn't look like a lot of fun. Take your socialism and shove it up your Soviet loving ass!
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by Meyer London
Thursday, Oct. 09, 2003 at 9:19 AM
Or is that the Backward Boys? Bush Admirer and sdlkjf, maybe Californians are not as backward as you two think (in other words, not as backward as you two boobs). Notice that even though 48 percent of them were fooled by Arnold's expensive media blitz, a majority rejected the two reactionary propositions. Bet that surprised you. If Arnold makes it through the next three years without being impeached or arrested, I think he'll meet the same fate as those moronic propositions when he tries to get re-elected. How's things in Bakersfield? Are you two having fun harassing Mexican farm workers and hunting for gays with baseball bats?
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by lkjkjf
Thursday, Oct. 09, 2003 at 9:30 AM
It's California. Nothing surprises me.
Once agian, thank you for demonstrating the typical elitist arrogance that's says the people were "fooled". Things like power and elections are just too precious to be left up the people, aren't they?
Arnold won't be impeached. Arnold won't be arested. You idiots forget, he married to Maria Kennedy Shriver. She tells momma Eunice that she doesn't want to hear anymore about these sex accusations, that they are causing her stress, the word goes to the Kennedy movers and shakers, which gets relayed to the press, and Waa-Laa!, it dies on the vine.
You people are political novices.
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by Nate
Thursday, Oct. 09, 2003 at 10:47 AM
You are all lost. "Aahhnoll" won the election because he is a star, it had nothing to do with his or anyone else's politics. Nothing is going to change. See you in three years.
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by G
Thursday, Oct. 09, 2003 at 1:52 PM
clf@freethegoldenstate.org
You got it spot on. Its embarassing to admit, but Arnold won because he is a fucking star with loads of fucking money that got a bunch of people who didn't think about it very hard to run out and vote for him.
The way I see it, at least they voted, and hopefully they'll keep voting.
PS - The Great Central Valley is bad ass, from Bakersfield to Redding, its where I am proud to be from, and where I lived for almost two decades, but frankly if everyone voted like most of them, California would NOT be the great place that it IS (with or without Arnold). Peace.
www.freethegoldenstate.org
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by nonanarchist
Thursday, Oct. 09, 2003 at 4:31 PM
"That must be because the people are stupid.
"It can't be due to our policies.
"Stupid people...yeah. That's the ticket."
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by nonanarchist
Thursday, Oct. 09, 2003 at 4:32 PM
"Vote for us or you're stupid."
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by no body in particular
Friday, Oct. 10, 2003 at 1:43 AM
one way to see the downfall of the united states of arrogance would be for california to suceed from the union. similtaneously, an ariel bombardment of texas would be appreciated. ps. given the chance we spit roast dubya on his visit to london next month. bon appetit xoxox
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by nonanarchist
Friday, Oct. 10, 2003 at 3:00 AM
Good thing your PM had the courage to stand up to both Saddam and the losers in his own country.
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by krankyman
Friday, Oct. 10, 2003 at 6:53 AM
With all the razing the Democrats are taking about the economy here is a little tid-bit... "Polls have shown public opinion toward President Bush souring over his handling of the economy and Iraq. But an item tucked away in last week's CBS News/New York Times poll adds insult to injury. Despite three tax cuts in as many years, only 19 percent said Bush's policies made their taxes go down. Forty-seven percent noticed no effect, while 29 percent perceived that their taxes have gone up. "
All that mularkey about the cheap labor conservatives being fiscally sound is nothing but more bullshit. Bush is running the largest deficit in history and there won't be any dot.com boom to save this countries ass.
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by Oooops!
Friday, Oct. 10, 2003 at 6:57 AM
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by Brandon T.
Saturday, Oct. 11, 2003 at 4:53 AM
Wow, here we go again with the jobless claims falling statistics.
Like your post says, "Jobless Claims FALLING." That means nothing when you look at the fact that people are still losing their jobs-BUT AT A LOWER RATE-after 8 months of people constantly losing jobs. The damage is done.
And stop bringing the stock market into this ! The stock market does shitty sometimes when the economy is great, and thrives sometimes when the economy is shitty.-it's about as consistent as Oprah's weight...
I can't believe that you're backing an ecomony that has been bending you and everyone else (but the richest) over. And what about when we ask the UN for 86 billion dollars ? And what about the fact we spend 3 billion a month in Iraq? That's really gonna help too-and those tax cuts oughta help the economy too !
Blaming Bush for Jobs, Healthcare, and Education is okay, but BUSH IS NOT THE REASON FOR OUR ECONOMY'S TROUBLES. No one man or his elected officials has that much influence on our everyday spending, selling, etc. It wasn't right to say with Clinton, and it isn't okay to blame Bush either...
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by rebound
Saturday, Oct. 11, 2003 at 5:05 AM
>>For the first time in eight months, the economy actually ADDED jobs in September - 57,000 of them - helping to keep the nation's unemployment rate at 6.1 percent, the government reported last week.
>when you look at the fact that people are still losing their jobs-BUT AT A LOWER RATE-after 8 months of people constantly losing jobs.
Adding 57,000 is not "losing jobs at a lower rate." It means that the jobs that were there in August remained, and an additional 57,000 were added in September. It's called a recovery.
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