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Hotel California: The White House is Run by Abaddon

by The Soothsayer Saturday, Oct. 04, 2003 at 4:02 AM

Water flouridation and the CIA trafficking drugs are the least of our worries. The American Government is run by Satanic worshippers. The end is near...

There is much more to UFOs then Unidentified Flying Objects and aliens. People must understand the spiritual side of what is going on. These "gods" haven't left us. They live among us, controlling us via mind control tactics. I would trust that you would read this entire article as it has much to offer.

As you can see on the back of the U.S. one dollar bill there is a pyramid with the All-Seeing-Eye of God, with the message, "New Order of The Ages" or "New World Order."

You are about to learn that the U.S. Government is linked to Satanism, Lucifer worship, and Roman Catholosicim being the MOTHER of them all, as they are all abominations to the Lord and Romanism is the Mother of Harlots and ABOMINATIONS of the earth. You have already learned that the U.S. Government is linked to several other governments and the church. And that it is all run by the secret society Brotherhood.

The street design in Washington, D.C., has been laid out in such a manner that certain Luciferic symbols are depicted by the streets, cul-de-sacs and rotaries. This design was created in 1791, a few years after Freemasonry assumed the leadership of the New World Order, in 1782.

In Europe, occult leaders were told by their Familiar Spirits as early as the 1740's that the new American continent was to be established as the new "Atlantis", and its destiny was to assume the global leadership of the drive to the New World Order.

The United States of America was chosen to lead the world into this kingdom of Antichrist from the beginning. The capital is Washington, D.C.

In 1791, Pierre Charles L'Enfante(the designer, who was a Freemason), laid out Governmental Center of Washington, D.C., he planned more than just streets, roads, and buildings. He hid certain occultic magical symbols in the layout of U.S. Governmental Center. When these symbols are united they become one large Luciferic, or occultic, symbol.


Washington D.C. An untrained eye might not see the Luciferic connection in this map.

The upper four points of the Goathead represent the four elements of the world, Fire, Water, Earth, and Air. The bottom fifth point represents the spirit of Lucifer. All of which are represented in Washington D.C. (The United States Capital)

Many people have natural tendencies to want to disbelieve unpleasant or frightening truths.
Occultists take advantage of this. "Audacity, always Audacity", is a saying the Masters of the Illuminati have always had. Something shocking and so far out and considered to be impossible,...... is Audacity.

People naturally feel that their leaders generally have their best interest at heart whether they be in a democracy or a government of royalty. Leaders may commit errors and may be incompetent. Some people may take solace in their belief that most leaders have their country's best interests at heart, most of the time.

The average citizen in any given country could not conceive that their leaders may consistently have evil in their hearts. And this evil would be towards the very people they are leading.

Since 1776, our leadership (U.S. Government) has been consistently moving us toward the Luciferic New World Order. This leadership has always been working through Secret Societies, misleading us as to their true intentions.

This is why our study today is so CRITICAL!!!; it demonstrates, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that our leadership has knowingly and consistently been pursuing a hidden agenda which, when fully carried out, will mean the destruction of our nation (the U.S.) as we know it today and the beginning of the Biblical Great Tribulation. Our leaders are currently calling this system the New World Order!


The U.S. Capital Building

Once they are hidden, these occultic symbols are thought to possess great power. The Snake Basilisk is "said to have the power to destroy all upon whom it looks". To a person who is not an occultist, they will have no concept of the true hidden meaning contained within the symbol. And that hidden purpose is to communicate certain meanings to other occultists while hiding this meaning from all non-occultists.

The symbols that were interwoven into the design of Governmental Center, communicate tremendous power to the occultist while at the same time they hide the true meaning from non-occultist. These symbols take on a life of their own, in the mind of the occultist, possessing great inherent power to accomplish the plans of the occultist.

According to occultic/Satanic doctrine, the upper four points of the Goathead (left) represent the four elements of the world, Fire, Water, Earth, and Air. The bottom fifth point represents the spirit of Lucifer. In the above photocopy of the Goathead Pentagram, the fifth point extends down into the mind of the goat, who represents Lucifer. With all that as background, let us now begin our study of Governmental Center, Washington, D.C.

The Satanic symbol & the Masonic layout of Washington D.C.
In the street layout of Washington D.C., the fifth point is the White House, a symbol placement which represents the intention that the spirit and the mind of Lucifer will be permanently residing in the White House. The map I found isn't all that accurate as far as the streets are concerned, but it will have to do.


The White House makes up the southern most tip of the Goathead.

Lansat satellite image of the White House (below center) and surrounding northern area.


In the map above, beginning from top left to top middle:

1. Dupont Circle, Logan Circle, and Scott Circle in the middle, form the top three points of the Devil's Goathead of Mendes, one of the most important types of the Five-pointed Devil's Pentagram.

2. Washington Circle forms the extreme left-hand point of the Goathead.

3. Mt. Vernon Square forms the extreme right-hand point of the Goathead.

4. The White House forms the fifth and bottom point of the Goathead.

There is a 666 evident in the most important top three circles of the Goathead, Dupont Circle, Scott Circle, and Logan Circle. Each of these streets has six major streets coming into them from all angles of the circle. This type of encoding is so typical of the occultist.

Everything was deliberately planned to stamp the power of Freemasonry and the symbols of its plans for America indelibly upon Government Center in Washington D.C.

The combination of the the Goathead of Mendes, Devil's Pentagram, and the practical existence of the number 666 within the three upper points of the Pentagram, unmistakably shows that Lucifer is planned to be the ultimate master of Governmental Center.


Dupont Circle

Scott Circle


Satellite photos came from Microsoft's Terraserver.

Now look for a moment at the circles which comprise the points of the Pentagram. Washington Circle, Dupont Circle, Scott Circle, and Logan Circle comprise four of the six points of the Pentagram. The only point which is not a circle or a form of a circle is Mt. Vernon Square. We shall return to the discussion of the importance of the square to the occultist, but let us now concentrate upon the circle.


Logan Circle

It is no secret as to why the Masonic architect chose to use circles as four of the points of the Pentagram. As Goodman states in his book, Magic Symbols, "without doubt, the circle is the most important of all units in magic symbolism, and in almost every case where it is used, the circle is intended to denote spirit, or spiritual forces". Therefore, we can know with certainty that these circles of this Pentagram were used to denote powerful spiritual forces. And, of course, these spiritual forces are from Lucifer.


Map of Washington D.C. with outlined Luciferic design.

But, there is much more symbolism expressed by the circle in occultic thought. The circle has also been used as a halo above a person's head, denoting that "he or she is in direct communication with the spiritual world".

The circle has also been utilized to represent the Sun, especially in spiritual terms, denoting spiritual light. But, the circle also is utilized as a symbol of the All-Seeing Eye. Remember the All-Seeing Eye atop the pyramid on the American One-Dollar bill? This eye is within a triangle, but the important factor to realize is that the eye is atop a pyramid. Of course, a pyramid is nothing more than a triangle. Look again at the triangles formed by the Goathead Pentagram.

Four out of five triangles of the Goathead has a circle, representing the All-Seeing Eye atop each triangle. However, the architect had a problem with the triangle at the far right, because he chose the square as the anchor point; the solution is to place Thomas Circle at one of the points, thus giving that triangle an All-Seeing Eye. In fact, I believe this is the reason why Thomas Circle was placed in the odd position it was; it is the only circle which was not placed as an anchor of the Pentagram. Even the Southern Point of the Goathead Pentagram, the one which ends at the White House, has a circle at its top. Notice the Ellipse located just to the south of the White House lawn. (below)

NORTH

Lansat image of the White House

Thus, the FreeMason architect who drew this pattern intended to show that Governmental Center was planned to be ruled by Satan. Further, the Goathead Pentagram was placed so the Southernmost point, the spiritual point, is precisely centered on the White House. Notice that I did not arbitrarily draw these lines to center on the White House; rather, the White House is the precise point where the two lines formed by Connecticut Avenue flowing from Dupont Circle, and by Vermont Avenue flowing from Logan Circle, intersect. The meaning is all too clear. Occultists planned for the White House to be controlled by Lucifer in accordance with his occultic power and doctrine.


The Goathead.(for your reference)

But, there is still more meaning expressed by this Goathead Pentagram. Quickly look again at the photocopy of the Devil's Pentagram, as copied from Goodman's Magic Symbol book. Protruding from the middle top of the Pentagram is a lighted candle, which is producing light. This physical light represents spiritual illumination. If this representation were made on a map, this illuminating candle would be thought of as being North. North is a very important direction, because it is the place of Governmental control. In I Ching, for example, North is the "place one reports to the master on accomplishments". (New Age Dictionary). This is again a fulfillment of Scripture.

Lucifer
Remember in Isaiah 14:12-14, where God recalls Lucifer's original sin of pride and rebellion? Lucifer had every intention of taking God's throne by force and establishing his own reign. In verses 13 and 14, Lucifer vowed, "I will ascend to Heaven; I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will sit upon the mount of assembly in the uttermost north..." Did you see that North is apparently the direction in which God's throne is situated, and Lucifer planned to take it over. North is the place, occultists believe, where Governmental authority dwells.

Now look at the Goathead Pentagram again. Scott Circle is precisely located at the middle of the Goathead, and 16th Street proceeds directly north. As you look directly north on 16th Street, you will immediately see the House Of The Temple, which is the North American Headquarters of Freemasonry. Even the number 16 is significant to the occultist; it is 4x4 (Remember that the four upper points of the Goathead Pentagram represent the Four Elements of which the earth is constructed). Number 16 literally means "felicity", which, according to my Webster's Dictionary, means blissful happiness or anything which will produce such a state. Certainly, blissful happiness is the stated goal of any Satanic system. A corollary meaning of 16 is love.

The number 16 also pops up in an encoded manner. Both Dupont Circle and Logan Circle, which form the top two most important points of the Goathead Pentagram, are located on "P" Street. "P" is the 16th letter of the English alphabet.

Sixteenth Street emanates north from Scott Circle, which is itself the precise middle of the Goathead Pentagram. This street represents the candle of the photocopy. The illuminating light of the candle is represented by the House Of The Temple, which begins on "R" Street. The architect is literally saying that Freemasonry is the spiritual light of this Goathead Pentagram; of course, this Goathead Pentagram is rooted at the White House. One quick word on "R" Street. The letter "R" is the 18th letter of the English alphabet, and 18 is critically important to the occultist because it is 6+6+6.

The House Of The Temple is also located 13 city blocks north of the White House. Count them yourself, beginning with the first city block north of Lafayette Square. Of course, the number 13 represents rebellion against God's authority, and is generally thought of as Satan's number. It is no accident the House Of The Temple is located 13 blocks north of the White House. The meaning occulticly transmitted is that the control of the White House would be spiritual and would emanate from the House Of The Temple. Certainly, many American Presidents have been Freemasons. The most famous is George Washington, but the most influential was Franklin D. Roosevelt, who did more to advance the cause of the New World Order than anyone else in American history.


Seventeenth President Andrew Johnson
1865-1869

Brig General Albert Pike
(1809-1891) Confederate


The critical importance of this symbolism pointed out above, namely, that the Presidency of the United States is to be controlled by Freemasonry, is thoroughly documented by Christian author, Ralph Epperson, in his book, "The New World Order". On page 171, Epperson quotes testimony given in March, 1867, before the House Judiciary Committee, by General Gordon Granger. General Granger related a meeting between himself, President Andrew Johnson, who was a Mason, and Albert Pike, the most famous of all Masons. General Granger reported his surprise that President Johnson considered himself to be subordinate to Albert Pike. This subordination is detailed in the oath the initiate takes during the Third Degree, called the Master Mason's degree, inside the Blue Lodge. This oath states, "I do promise...that I will obey all...summonses..given..to me from the hand of a Brother Master Mason ..." Presidents who are Masons are obligated to take orders from their Master Masons. But why should we be surprised? This is the meaning of the symbolization contained by the House Of The Temple being precisely 13 city blocks north of the White House.


The Pentagon

Now, let us quickly examine the importance of the square to the occultist. We need to understand this because the Eastern point of this Goathead Pentagram is a square, not a circle. The square is comprised of two (2) vertical lines and two (2) horizontal. According to Goodman in his book, "Magical Symbols," the vertical line symbolizes spirit. This spiritual force may move either from Heaven to Earth or from Earth to Heaven, or even from Heaven to Hell. The horizontal line symbolizes matter and movement from west to east. It also describes movement in time, as a direction in which one is traveling. This point is very critical, because the Freemason is committed to taking America in the direction of the New World Order. Since the square combines the vertical and the horizontal, it becomes a symbol of the material, physical realm which is enmeshed with spirit and time. The passage of time within an occultic spiritual context is what is in view here. In this instance, the United States of America is the physical realm which is moving in time toward the desired direction of the New World Order.


Mason Headquarters (Mt. Vernon Square)

This square also contains one more piece of occultic meaning. In this Goathead Pentagram, Mt. Vernon Square is the Eastern point. In occultic doctrine, East is the direction from which a person receives spiritual knowledge and guidance. This belief originated in the Pagan worship of the Sun, and it is very much alive in Freemasonry today.

Now, let us look at the symbol contained in the lower right hand portion of your Washington , D.C., city street map. This combination of symbols runs South and East from the White House to the United States Capitol. These are the symbols which clearly stamp Freemasonry upon this city, and which unmistakably reveal that the brand of Luciferic worship which we see in the Goathead Pentagram is the brand practiced by Freemasonry. Let us look at these Freemasonry symbols.

The three most sacred symbols of Freemasonry are the Compass, the Square, and the Rule or straight-edge. Look at the United States capitol, and you will see that it is laid out in the form of a circle. This represents the top of a professional compass of that era, which was circular. Pennsylvania Avenue, running from the Capitol to the White House, represents one leg of the compass. Maryland Avenue, running from the Capitol to Thomas Jefferson Memorial (left), represents the second leg of the compass. In this instance, you will have to lay out a ruler and draw a solid line from the Capitol to the Jefferson Memorial to get the full effect, because Maryland does not run straight through. It runs for a while and then disappears only to reappear again further toward the Memorial. However, you can easily see that the general direction runs precisely toward the Jefferson Memorial.

This is the compass of Freemasonry.

The Freemason's Square begins at Union Square, with Louisiana Avenue forming one arm and Washington Avenue the other. Again, you will have to draw a line down Louisiana Avenue and Washington to see the fully-formed square, because Louisiana ends at Pennsylvania and Washington ends at Maryland. The critical 900 angle of the square is pictorially missing; however, once you draw the natural continuation of Louisiana and Washington beyond their termination points you will see the 900 square perfectly formed.

The Freemason's Rule, or straightedge, is clearly seen if you draw a straight line south from the White House center to the base of the Washington Monument and then straight East to the Capitol.

Thus, all three of the sacred instruments of Freemasonry are depicted in the layout of these streets. As I stated earlier, the deliberate planning of these Governmental Buildings so that they would be laid out so as to represent these three sacred tools of Freemasonry, coupled with the Luciferic Goathead Pentagram, clearly tell us that the brand of Luciferic control and worship planned for this capitol city was Freemasonry. This clearly shows that the New World Order for which FreeMasonry has labored for so many years is Luciferic, their vigorous protestations to the contrary notwithstanding.



But there is more. Look again at the United States Capitol (above). At the extreme Eastern side of the Capitol, you can see two cul-de-sacs which are irregularly shaped. In fact, when you draw a bold black line carefully around these cul-de-sacs, and continue the black line around the Capitol, you get the appearance of a fat bunny's head, with the cul-de-sacs as his ears. This is not accidental, either. The head and ears of the bunny attach to the stick figures of the legs of the compass, which are meant to be the legs of the bunny. Further, the Mason's Square form stick-figure arms of the bunny. This representation is critically important, because ancient Satanists drew Satan in just this stick figure way, including the fat bunny head and his ears. This is another way of representing Satan.

And, just as the White House forms the southern point of the Goathead Pentagram, so the Capitol forms the head of Satan. Shockingly, the meaning is also the same. The Southern point of the Goathead Pentagram represented the spirit of Satan reaching into the mind of the goathead, the bunny's head represents the same meaning. In other words, both the Executive and the Legislative Branches of Government are to be controlled by Satan.

In commemoration of the 190th anniversary of the birth of George Washington, 48 American flags representing the then 48 states of the Union, encircling the monument, were raised on February 22, 1922. The current configuration of the more durable aluminum flagpoles date to 1959, following the inclusion of Alaska and Hawaii into the Union as the 49th and 50th states.

Let us now quickly look at the Washington Monument, which lies directly West of the Capitol. In fact, the Washington Monument lies on a straight line, precisely 900 West of the Capitol. The Washington Monument(left) is the most important Presidential monument to the occultist, because it is an obelisk set inside a circle. What, you are probably saying, is an obelisk? An obelisk is a tall, four-sided stone pillar tapering toward a pyramidal top.

The obelisk is critically important to the occultist because they believe that the spirit of the ancient Egyptian sun god, Ra, resided in the obelisk.

Thus, the obelisk represents the very presence of the sun god, whom the Bible calls Satan!!

There are only three major obelisks in the world today, and two of them are in the United States. According to Epperson in his book, "The New World Order", the first major obelisk was constructed in St. Peter's square in Rome, and is so placed that every Pope who addresses any crowd in the square, must face the obelisk. A New Age author, Peter Tomkins, reports the same facts in his book, "The Magic Of Obelisks", Harper and Row, New York, 1982, ISBN 0-06-014899-3.

There is an obelisk in St. Peter's Bascilica as well. You'll be shocked to know that the Church of God promotes Celibacy while displaying a sex act right outside of St Peter's Bascilica.

The second obelisk was brought to America in 1881 from Alexandria, Egypt, and was placed in Central Park in New York City.

The third obelisk is the Washington Monument, built to commemorate our First President, George Washington (who was a Freemason). In light of the symbols which we have just studied, which have been built into the layout of Government Center, I believe the Washington Monument was constructed by Masons, according to Masonic tradition, as a symbol that this country was controlled by Freemasonry from the very beginning. And the Washington Monument has Freemasonry stamped all over it:

* It is built from 36,000 separate blocks of granite. The number 36 is derived from multiplying 3x12 and is an important number.

* Its capstone weighs exactly 3,300 pounds.

* The monument contains 188 specially donated Memorial stones, most of them donated by individuals, societies, cities, and nations throughout the world. But, Masonic lodges throughout the world contributed 35 of these Memorial stones. These 35 blocks were intermingled with the other Memorial stones, but the last several of them were placed at the 330 foot level.

* The total cost of the Washington Monument was reported to be $1,300,000, showing again a most important Masonic number, 13.

* The Monument has 8 windows, and together they total 39 square feet in size. The number 39 is very sacred because it is formed by multiplying 3x13 AND 39 divided by two is 19.5 which is another significant masonic number. And, also remember the importance of the Number 8 in Occultic Numerology, for it carries the meaning of "New Beginnings". Combined with the meaning of Number 13, as "Extreme Rebellion", you get the total message that this "New Beginning" {New World Order} is to be carried out in "Extreme Rebellion." I believe this to also be connected to the UPC/EAN 13 BarCode specification(Mark of the Beast).

There are several other, more complicated Masonic numbers concealed within the construction of the Washington Monument, but you get the point:
This monument, constructed to honor the first Masonic President, was designed so that both the White House and the Capitol face toward it so that the leaders of both branches have to face the spirit of Lucifer thought to be residing in it. This is typical occultism.

One final interesting note. We reported earlier in this article that the Washington Monument obelisk was placed directly on a straight line, precisely 900 West of the Capitol. Thus, the inhabitants of the Capitol could face the obelisk daily. However, note that the Washington, D.C., obelisk does not lie in a straight line 900 South the White House. Why? Because it was lined so that it lies in a straight line 900 from the House of Understanding, the headquarters of FreeMasonry!! In the mind of the occultist, the true political Administrative power resides in this Freemasonry headquarters, not in the White House. This is why President Andrew Johnson considered himself to be the subordinate to Albert Pike, the leader of North American FreeMasonry!

Clearly, the power of leadership to drive this country toward the New World Order, leading the rest of the world, lies in FreeMasonry, not in the White House or the Congress. These symbols, built into the physical layout of Government Center in Washington, D.C., represent the extent of that power. Think of the many years these symbols have remained hidden from most people's knowledge; think of the millions of tourists which have walked on these streets during this time, without having any idea as to the existence of these symbols, not to mention their meaning! And, if you have ever driven a car in Washington D.C. area, you will now understand why these streets seem to be laid out so weird! Driving in Washington D.C. can be a nightmare. Now you know why.

I will challenge any one to try and disprove this information. The odds against this happening accidentally are so astronomical and ridiculous! Do you see irrefutable evidences of a conspiracy here?

And, now the end is apparently in sight. The Third World War, envisioned by Albert Pike in 1870 between Israel and her Arab neighbors, is apparently at hand. Out of this war is to come Antichrist. Are you spiritually ready? Is your family? Are you adequately protecting your loved ones?

From the rest of my website, you should make the connection that the Churches and Governments are all controlled by this Brotherhood as well.

Statue of Liberty - information compiled by a list member


The Statue of Liberty is another brotherhood symbol highlighting the lighted torch, Statue of Liberty is actually the Statue of Liberties - the liberties perpetrated on the American people by the brotherhood. It was given by French freemasons, a mirror image stands on an island in the river seine in Paris.

Initiates into the rites of Mithra were called lions and were marked on their foreheads with the Egyptian cross. The first degree initiates had a golden crown placed on their heads, representing their spiritual self, and this crown, symbolizing the rays of the sun, can be found on the Statue of Liberty in NY harbor. All these rituals went back thousands of years to Babylon and the stories of Nimrod, Queen Semiramis, and Tammuz, their version of Jesus Mathra was said to be the son (Sun ) of god who died to save humanity and give them eternal life. One classic symbol of Mithra was a lion with a snake curled around his body, while he holds the keys to heaven.



Better Business Bureau, Notice the Torch?

The individuals who are in control of this world are not who they might seem. They are evil spirits set out to enslave other spiritual beings,.... us! Christ was trying to teach us the truth about spirituality but they had Him killed for trying.

I do respect all those who died defending our 'freedom', but it is time to wake up and realize who the REAL enemy is!

The American flag is a symbol of the Brotherhood and the Brotherhood is linked to Satanism. The Flag has 50 pentagrams on it with thirteen stripes. But again, as mentioned in an earlier page, the number 13 is not evil. They have programmed us to think that it is evil because they do not want us to go near the knowledge that is behind it.

1777: June 14 -- Continental Congress adopts the following: Resolved: that the flag of the United States be thirteen stripes, alternate red and white; that the union be thirteen stars, white in a blue field, representing a new constellation. (stars represent Delaware, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Georgia, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Maryland, South Carolina, New Hampshire, Virginia, New York, North Carolina, and Rhode Island)

Delaware: - December 07, 1787
Connecticut: - January 09, 1788
Georgia: - January 02, 1788
Maryland: - April 28, 1788
Massachusetts: - February 06, 1788
New Hampshire: - June 21, 1788
New Jersey: - December 18, 1787
New York: - July 26, 1788
North Carolina: - November 21, 1789
Pennsylvania: - December 12, 1787
South Carolina: - May 23, 1788
Rhode Island: - May 29, 1790
Virginia: - June 25, 1788

excerpted from http://www.geocities.com/propheticangel2001

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This is patently absurd!

by Max Saturday, Oct. 04, 2003 at 4:10 AM

Hilarious! How entertaining!

You loony leftists are becoming more and more insignificant every day. What in the world could be going on inside your demented little minds? Paranoid delusional thoughts?

Satan, UFOs, flouridated water, CIA drug trafficking, blood for oil, chemtrails, psychotronic weapons!

You people are utterly disturbed!!
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how cute

by laughing cow Saturday, Oct. 04, 2003 at 5:12 AM

first we have a loony posting this ( probably the same one who brought the post into the comment board ) and then this is used to attempt to discredit the uncomfortable information posted elsewhere.
You're only telegraphing the intent to hide certain information with clumsy strawmen of your own creation.
thanks for the tip.
It brings to view interesting subjects.
But please, keep trying, we need some crude slap stick now and then.
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"is used to attempt to discredit the uncomfortable information posted elsewhere."

by Max Saturday, Oct. 04, 2003 at 5:34 AM

So Satan really doesn't run the American Government, is that what you're saying? Thanks for clearing that up.

As far as discrediting uncomfortable info elsewhere, which info are you talking about? The Flouridated water conspiracy, the one about the remote controlled airplanes taking down the WTC, the ones about the tyranical cabal that is taking over the Middle East for the oil, the psychotronic weapons stuff, or stuff about the CIA?

Not sure which "uncomfortable information" that I was supposed to be trying to discredit...
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kinda figured it was you

by laughing cow Saturday, Oct. 04, 2003 at 5:46 AM

all of the above.
And it is transparent. You spooks sure are clumsy. Not convincing but tireless. It sure was easier when project MOCKINGBIRD gave you more control of the media, wasn't it?
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"You spooks sure are clumsy."

by Max Saturday, Oct. 04, 2003 at 5:55 AM

You liberals sure are paranoid. I'm not a spook.

"kinda figured it was you"

I didn't post the article, I only commented on it.

But since you thought I did ("first we have a loony posting this ( probably the same one who brought the post into the comment board" ) I just wanted to know what valuable conspiracy theory info I was attempting to discredit.

You loons are quite entertaining, you know that?

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. Not convincing but tireless.

by laughing cow Saturday, Oct. 04, 2003 at 6:04 AM

I know I BELIEVE you.
Really. No kidding, I mean it. Really!

Project MOCKINGBIRD:

Starting in the early days of the Cold War (late 40's), the CIA began a secret project called Operation Mockingbird, with the intent of buying influence behind the scenes at major media outlets and putting reporters on the CIA payroll, which has proven to be a stunning ongoing success. The CIA effort to recruit American news organizations and journalists to become spies and disseminators of propaganda, was headed up by Frank Wisner, Allen Dulles, Richard Helms, and Philip Graham (publisher of The Washington Post). Wisner had taken Graham under his wing to direct the program code-named Operation Mockingbird and both have presumably committed suicide.

Media assets will eventually include ABC, NBC, CBS, Time, Newsweek, Associated Press, United Press International (UPI), Reuters, Hearst Newspapers, Scripps-Howard, Copley News Service, etc. and 400 journalists, who have secretly carried out assignments according to documents on file at CIA headquarters, from intelligence-gathering to serving as go-betweens. The CIA had infiltrated the nation's businesses, media, and universities with tens of thousands of on-call operatives by the 1950's. CIA Director Dulles had staffed the CIA almost exclusively with Ivy League graduates, especially from Yale with figures like George Herbert Walker Bush from the "Skull and Crossbones" Society.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_louise_01_03_03_mockingbird.html
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"Not convincing but tireless."

by Max Saturday, Oct. 04, 2003 at 6:18 AM

What makes you think I'm trying to convince you?

You're much more interesting to me believing that I'm some sort of secret spook disinfo agent.

If you believed otherwise you'd just be another run-of-the-mill idiot.

But the fact that you believe I'm a spook makes you a paranoid delusional idiot.

More interesting by far.

I bet YOU were the one that posted this article, didn't you?
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ha ha ha ha NO ha ha ha

by Laughing Cow Saturday, Oct. 04, 2003 at 6:22 AM

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ....!
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"ha ha ha ha NO ha ha ha"

by Max Saturday, Oct. 04, 2003 at 6:39 AM

You're not convincing me...
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Textbook

by fresca Saturday, Oct. 04, 2003 at 7:10 AM

This thread is a perfect illustration of typical lefty buffoonery.

First, the article lays out all manner of delusional conspiracy theory, as is more often than not, the sole content of most IMC sites.

Then, when someone predictably laughs at its ridiculous quality, they are immediately branded "spooks". The implication being that only someone getting paid could possibly disagree with this notable and astounding information.

This thread introduces a new tactic however.

Once the article has been shown to be utterly inane, the "spook" is the accused of posting it in the first place to discredit the "movement" and hide other "valuable" info.

Like Flouridation, UFO's, Chemtrails, 9-11 fantasies etc.
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wow

by wow Saturday, Oct. 04, 2003 at 8:52 AM

wow
fresca's here
it must be true
wow
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You got it

by fresca Saturday, Oct. 04, 2003 at 8:56 AM

Amen.
As always.
Amen.
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Children, Please ...

by Hieronymous D Saturday, Oct. 04, 2003 at 9:07 AM

I feel it's important to clear the air just a little bit here. First of all, whoever posted this article could hardly be described as on the Left. The elaborate conspiracy theory described here is typical of the anti-catholic, born again Christian strain. I ought to know, as once upon a time I actually read a book by A. Ralph Epperson, an author referred to in this article. I hadn't got too far into the book before I realized that I was reading the work of a sheer loon whose conclusions were based on broad leaps of faith and fanciful flights of imagination. Still, it's entertaining and it has its own curious logic.

The right wingers slamming IMC for this post are full of shit and they know it. They know as well as I do that this is an open source site, which means they too can post whatevere the hell they want here, and that it's ridiculous to associate the content of this post with the intentions or interests of IMC -- just as much as it would be ridiculous to describe IMC as an organization sympathetic to right wingers, merely because right wingers do in fact post their pablum here. I don't imagine that calling them on it will stop them, though, and so I say to them, echoing our Glorious Leader, "Bring it on." I'm not afraid of mental midgets.

Finally, a note on conspiracy theories. Here's something to piss off BOTH sides. The problem with conspiracy theories is that they are almost always unprovable, in the positive or the negative. I'll grant that it's possible that the planes on 9/11 were guided by remote control. But if such an elaborate plan were used, why the hell would you know about it? How would you prove it? If it were true, and you were exposing, wouldn't that same network of powerful people kill you? Conspiracy theories are fun mental exercises, but mostly a diostraction from the real work of holding tyrannical fools like Dubya accountable for their NON-secret activities. Instead of dealing with a devil that may or may not exist -- the devil you don't know -- why not instead confront the devils you DO know? You know, the ones bankrupting our national treasury for the sake of their pals at Bechtel and Haliburton? That's no conspiracy theory, it's in broad daylight. And I'd love to to hear the right wingers who troll this site respond to that. Bring it on, ye ornery fools!
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Satan in fact does not run America

by Max Saturday, Oct. 04, 2003 at 9:37 AM

“First of all, whoever posted this article could hardly be described as on the Left. The elaborate conspiracy theory described here is typical of the anti-catholic, born again Christian strain.”

I agree, leftists typically do not believe in God. They are not religious people. They are bitter, vapid souls, and should there actually be a God, a leftist would disdain him (or her). Therefore and accusations that this article was posted by a leftist can be summarily dismissed. It doesn’t make any difference that it was posted here, on an leftwing alternative newswire, because this newswire is tainted with puerile conservatives and spooks. One of them did it. Yes sir, yes sir, three bags full. Nothing on this website that smells of fish can be trusted. The whole website is a COINTELPRO conspiracy op perpetrated by the FBI.

But don’t trust my word for it. I’m probably just a spook, trying to convince you not to believe anything you read here, just to debunk the who Indymedia concept. But the guy who posted as Hieronymous D, even though he was only trying to debunk this particular article that claims the President is Satan, well he can be trusted. Of course!

“it's ridiculous to associate the content of this post with the intentions or interests of IMC”

Exactly. Views and opinions expressed on this website do not represent those of the loony liberals that post here. No sir-ree. Void where prohibited. Close cover before striking. No winner this time. Try again. Thanks for playing. Drink Pepsi.

“echoing our Glorious Leader, "Bring it on."

Finally. A leftist quoting a true leader. I believe we’ve made a breakthrough.

“I'm not afraid of mental midgets.”

Or spiders, or heights, or squirmy hairy rodents, or things that go bump in the night.

“I'll grant that it's possible that the planes on 9/11 were guided by remote control.”

Yep. But not that Satan rules the country. This article is total bullshit.

Blood for oil dude!

“but mostly a diostraction from the real work of holding tyrannical fools like Dubya accountable for their NON-secret activities.”

Yeah. You loony libs need to get crackin’. The President is getting away with a lot of good shit. And you’re sitting here masturbating.

“And I'd love to to hear the right wingers who troll this site respond to that. Bring it on, ye ornery fools!”

Another loony liberal. Now they’re quoting Bush! Jesus H. Christ, stick to your Hitler and Stalin quotes, fifth column loon.
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Damn Straight!!

by activist community Saturday, Oct. 04, 2003 at 9:47 AM

The pResident is getting away with too much. We who are in the know and are the intellectual elite owe it to our fellowman who, independent of us and our superior intellect, are but sheep being lead to the slaughter. Why, the fools will believe anything rather than listening to us, we who are superior in everyway. It time we shout onto the mountains and into the valleys just how currupt Bushit is, how the people should join with us, the brilliant and overhwelmingly knowing progressive liberals, in our sworn duty to regain back the power which rightfully belongs to us. This is it! The time is NOW!! Let's sit around and talk about it.
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Dear Max

by Hieronymous D Saturday, Oct. 04, 2003 at 10:08 AM

They have places on the Web where people who think like you post messages to each other, i.e. freerepublic.com and the like. Why don't you post there, so you can talk with people who agree with you? Clearly you have trouble saying anything positive -- all your posts here are made only to detract from existing content, rather than to contribute anything -- so maybe you should post on a site where you're more likely to find like--minded individuals. But then, I'm sure you're taking time out today to convert the unwashed rabble haunting this site, and for this moral noblesse oblige I suppose you're expecting commendation from your Maker. Good luck. And speaking of the Maker, I'm really tired of hearing that people on the so-called Left are all godless heathens. I happen to believe in God, but probably not the vengeful, Chick tract version that pumps hate through your tiny heart. So there's something to think about. Have a nice day!
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And By the Way ...

by Hieronymous D Saturday, Oct. 04, 2003 at 10:12 AM

In case you're wondering, Max, I am deliberately goading you. I know there's no hope in changing your mind, so I figure, why not fuck with your limited understanding? Go ahead, be pissed off. I don't care. And neither does God.
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Freerepublic sux.

by Max Saturday, Oct. 04, 2003 at 10:25 AM

“They have places on the Web where people who think like you post messages to each other, i.e. freerepublic.com and the like.”

Why should I go there and preach to the choir when I’ve got a Church full of sinners to scream at right here on IMC?

“Why don't you post there, so you can talk with people who agree with you?”

I don’t hang out with like-minded people, sitting around patting each other on the back. I come here so I can watch it done. Besides, you loons are so much more entertaining.

“Clearly you have trouble saying anything positive”

No I don’t. Here:

I positively don’t like liberals.

There. Happy?

“ -- all your posts here are made only to detract from existing content, rather than to contribute anything -- so maybe you should post on a site where you're more likely to find like--minded individuals. But then, I'm sure you're taking time out today to convert the unwashed rabble haunting this site, and for this moral noblesse oblige I suppose you're expecting commendation from your Maker.”

Well, let me clear this up. I’m here to laugh at you. That’s why I’m here. That’s the only reason I’m here. Not to make good with God. Not to convince you loons of squat. I’m here solely because your collective insanity entertains me.

I’m not interested in “adding anything constructive” or helping liberals in any way, shape, form, or fashion. I just want to laugh at you for being buffoons. That’s all there is too it.

“Good luck. And speaking of the Maker, I'm really tired of hearing that people on the so-called Left are all godless heathens.

There not all Godless. Some of them worship Satan, that’s why they’re all so quick to take “in God we trust” out of the Pledge, the 10 Commandments out of gubment buildings, and prayer out of schools. If you’re tired of being Godless, then quit denying God. Period.

“I happen to believe in God, but probably not the vengeful, Chick tract version that pumps hate through your tiny heart. So there's something to think about. Have a nice day!”

Well good for you. Is that the traditional Judao-Christian God you’re talking about, or are you just worshipping Satan?

You have a nice day too, lefty.
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Hieronymous D

by Artaxerxes G Saturday, Oct. 04, 2003 at 10:48 AM

This is as good a time as any to clear some of this stuff up.

>They have places on the Web where people who think like you post messages to each other, i.e. freerepublic.com and the like. Why don't you post there, so you can talk with people who agree with you?

I post here for two main reasons, 1) to laugh and make fun of the liberal and anarchist whackos, and 2) the conspiracy theories. The Bush bashing stuff, I can go to ABC, NBC, CBS, CNBC, MSNBC, CNN, PBS, NPR, NYT, LA Times,, USA Today or any number of other left-wing rags and get that. They're a dime a dozen. But the conspiracy theories and real way far left wackos, that's uniquesly Indymedia.

>Clearly you have trouble saying anything positive

Untrue. I'm positive you people are certifiable whackos.

>all your posts here are made only to detract from existing content, rather than to contribute anything

Not true. I routinely deliver the truth to your front door. Just because you've chosen to believe the lies and distortions of the left rather than face the truth is your problem, not mine. But one day, should the the truth hit you smack in the face, you'll remember I warned you about it.

> so maybe you should post on a site where you're more likely to find like-minded individuals.

And give up my kingdom? I rule this place. I can trainwreck any thread I want. I can direct the discussion whereever I want it to go. You liberals are pawns in my hands. This place is great!

>But then, I'm sure you're taking time out today to convert the unwashed rabble haunting this site

And ruin all the fun? No Way!! Gotta keep you wackos around for the laughs.

>and for this moral noblesse oblige I suppose you're expecting commendation from your Maker.

No. This is a labor of love.

>Good luck.

Thanks. Good luck to you, too.

>And speaking of the Maker

You can just call him Dumb Chumpski. The rest of us do.

>I'm really tired of hearing that people on the so-called Left are all godless heathens.

I know. The truth hurts. Tough.

>I happen to believe in God, but probably not the vengeful, Chick tract version that pumps hate through your tiny heart.

You believe in that Muslim god or Buddah or something?

>So there's something to think about. Have a nice day!

Good luck at thinking, I know how hard it is for you. Good day!
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Typical

by fujifilm Saturday, Oct. 04, 2003 at 10:57 AM

"You know, the ones bankrupting our national treasury for the sake of their pals at Bechtel and Haliburton? "

Where do you get these lines.

This War and ALL of it's rebuilding and ALL the money spent will amount to about 1% of the yearly revenue of the US.

What the hell are you going on about with hyperbolic terms like "bankruptcy".

And as for the original post. It is a VERY typical IMC lefty delusional post.
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it hard to believe, but

by Biotech Saturday, Oct. 04, 2003 at 7:55 PM

Another clue is the obeslk and wheel with the hole in the middle surrounding it. It can mean Phallic worship, and that's nasty. The Vatican has this right in front of its cathedral. It fits in with the latest scandals, and they have had a problem with this for hundreds of years. Protestants are getting very weak, and are infiltrated by the masons. The Southern Baptist church has up to 60 per cent of masons inside it. When confronted they fought to keep them in, and even in the high places. These men have another religion, and the New World Order agenda. They are very secretive, but William Cooper who was shot by a swat team revealed much of their dealings. His website has been taken down, and some of it had been grabbed up by Masonic liberty organizations. Billy Graham was a 33rd degree mason, while doing much of his evangelizing. Many Protestant leaders are Jesuits, and political Zionists. The Jesuits still appear to be undercover while the political Zionists, and masons have come out and dealt with much of the negativity. People do get blocks when it comes to this information, while others tend to gravitate towards it. It's not pretty, and no one wants to hear that his or her religion has been underminded.

Jer. 23:6

And go not after other gods to serve them, and to worship them, and provoke me not to anger with the works of your hands; and I will do you no hurt.
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