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My First Day at UCLA, USSR

by Garin K. Hovannisian Tuesday, Sep. 30, 2003 at 3:42 PM

MIT professor Noam Chomsky (a rabidly anti-American leftist) had more books at the UCLA Store than did Aristotle, John Locke, Adam Smith, Frederic Bastiat, Thomas Malthus, John Stuart Mill, F.A. Hayek, Milton Friedman, Thomas Sowell, Ayn Rand, Nathaniel Branden ... if not for the fading scent of liberty, I might as well have been at the University of Havana.

My First Day at UCLA
Garin K. Hovannisian, FrontPageMagazine.com, September 29, 2003

I walked through the beautiful campus of the University of California, Los Angeles on September 25 with the silent hope that the rumors about American higher education would prove untrue.

I had walked through UCLA many times before, but this was an especially important day. It marked my first as a college student.

Dressed neatly with a feigned confidence, signs of freshness that any thinking person could discern, I headed toward my first class. The professor of my "Introduction to Western Civilization" class indulged our group with the timeless flavor of Greek philosophy, quoting a Theban writer in his definition of man: "What is a man? What is he not? Man is what a shadow would dream to be." This sent chills down my spine.

Then the enthusiasm stopped. The professor began to talk about the positive contributions of modern "historians" Marx and Hegel (fathers of Communism) to history, with the neatly crafted preface, "Now don't tell the L.A. Times that I said that Karl Marx is a great man, but…"

But at least this was contextualized. Toward the end of the talk, the lecturer, with apparently no connection to the topic at hand, opined, "I don't think it's unprofessional of me to say this: I think that each one of you should join an environmental organization." And then, on the theory of global warming, "even laymen know that the earth is getting hotter." These comments, strangely, were not responses to any questions or remarks by the students, but rather composed a part of the introduction to the course.

After a brief interlude at the food court, I proceeded to English composition. It was then that I bumped into a group of students who marched around campus with the sign, "Impeach Cheney; Vote no on this recal." They chanted, "Hey hey! Ho ho! On this recall, vote no!" Revolving around the group like lunar satellites, were students who held up signs that read, "Lyndon LaRouche for president"; still others yelled, "Arnold Schwartzenegger thinks that voters are sluts!"

The English class was described to me by other students familiar with it as "more about Feminism than it was about English." They described the professor as someone who "isn't afraid of expressing herself…[and is]…passionate about getting her point across."

After passing a man who was distributing a newspaper titled "The Spark" with a sign "Socialism and Revolution" and several opponents of Proposition 54 (which would prevent the government from collecting data on race in certain fields), I found myself on Bruin Walk, where one can find any national flag except Old Glory. (I'm not counting a cheesy rainbow-colored mockery of the flag that was on proud display.)

I finally reached the object of my journey--the UCLA bookstore. I asked a sales employee to check the database for a few conservative books that I wanted to buy. After receiving a negative answer on all three -- a result that, given the prominence of the books, was astonishing -- I inquired further.

Of the 25 political books that were on display, 21 were ideologically to the Left, 3 had no apparent political inclinations, and only 1 was ideologically to the Right.

But much more perturbing is the following: MIT professor Noam Chomsky (a rabidly anti-American leftist) had more books at the UCLA Store than did Aristotle, John Locke, Adam Smith, Frederic Bastiat, Thomas Malthus, John Stuart Mill, F.A. Hayek, Milton Friedman, Thomas Sowell, Ayn Rand, Nathaniel Branden -- in effect, the entire tradition of intellectual classical liberal thought -- AND David Horowitz, Dinesh D'Souza, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, and Larry Elder -- the current-day advancers of the libertarian and conservative legacies... combined. Whether these results were achieved as a result of faculty demands or the tastes of UCLA bookstore administrators they are equally degrading to the concept of diversity -- the diversity of opinion.

If not for the language difference, the baroque-styled buildings, and that faint and fading scent of liberty, I might as well have been at the University of Havana.
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young conservatives...

by johnk Tuesday, Sep. 30, 2003 at 4:36 PM

Most of the people who become conservatives are, at age 18, still reading porn, watching footbal, and business biographies.

The young conservatives, oddly enough, may find themselves becoming more humanist and liberal as they age and feel the beat-down that life delivers to the bookish and intellectual.

And, oddly enough, the young radicals might find themselves drawn to conservatives. David Horowitz was once a rabid supporter of communist tyrants. Today, he's a rabid supporter of capitalist tyrants.

(BTW - Chomsky didn't like the USSR.)
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ahhh, a nice link...

by johnk Tuesday, Sep. 30, 2003 at 4:46 PM

That's DH's bio. He was raised by Stalinist parents. No wonder he's so conservative. It's like that old 80s show, Family Ties, except the parents aren't liberals, but Stalinists, and the kid isn't a conservative, but an imperialist racist.

BTW - the publication this article was pulled from is a DH project.

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johnk

by thanx Tuesday, Sep. 30, 2003 at 5:01 PM

Fairly good EV. Could use more flavor. The "imperialist racist" was a nice, but a little overused on IMC's. Try "tyrannical bigot" next time. Adds a bit of a punch to it.

Other than that, a find example of a marxist mind-numbing rant coupled with a touch of illogical table-pounding. Very nice.
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that’s what going to college is all about.

by UCLA alum Tuesday, Sep. 30, 2003 at 6:00 PM

Come on Garin, lighten up, college is fun, you should be going out, party, meet some one, fall in love. You should be happy they have not brought back the draft. You would be in Iraq right now.

I wonder if this Garin K. Hovannisian has ever read Chomsky or any of the other authors he cites. And if he did, then he needs to re-read them until he understands them. Most 1st quarter freshman have never heard of most of these authors much less read and understood them. It really does take a degree in Poly Sci for even really smart people to truly understand what all those writers are talking about. The only people who think politics is simple are themselves simple.

This posting is so contrived. So this guy Garin, if that’s his real name, smacks of COINTELPRO.

And if perhaps Garin is a real person, then I’m really glad to hear that he is seeing all this because that’s what going to college is all about. UCLA is one of the best universities in the nation and hopefully it will be able to open his mind and expose him to the world outside of the one he is currently locked up in.



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UCLA alum

by thanx Tuesday, Sep. 30, 2003 at 6:19 PM

A nice attmpt to prop up Chomsky as a ligitimate commentator of anything. The "opening his mind" to the "truth as understood by people like me who are intellectual" (paraphrased) was a nice touch, but again is typical and unexciting. These types of postings are common place and do not earn points in the EV weekly contest.

Nice try UCLA amum, but you'll need to dig a little deeper next time. Anger, incoherent thoughts, and blantant lies can't win it anymore like it once did. You'll need to plow new ground.
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Extinguishing the Fire of Patriotism

by Garin K. Hovannisian Tuesday, Sep. 30, 2003 at 6:52 PM
Hovannisian@aol.com

POLITICAL CORRECTNESS:
EXTINGUISHING THE FIRE OF PATRIOTISM
By: Garin K. Hovannisian

. . . So soon after the American people were enlightened of the gravity of patriotism, we encountered a historically elemental day in which political correctness was, yet again, zealously summoned to demean reverence and respect for this exclusive country and its honorable resolve.

The 8th of October, 1492 designated the date from which the United States would soon burgeon and decisively and buoyantly dent the narration of history evermore. Federal buildings retired in tribute of that fateful day, post offices and banks recognized and honored the naissance of America.

Yet publicly subsidized schools deliberately failed to acknowledge and properly salute Columbus Day--they were engaged in the laborious task of breeding the subsequent generation of, as Lenin put it, "useful idiots." . . .

Garin K. Hovannisian is a conservative fifteen year old school student. He is a new contributor to Ether Zone.

Published in the November 8, 2001 issue of Ether Zone.
Copyright © 2001 Ether Zone. (http:/www.etherzone.com).
Reposting permitted with this message intact.
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Don't give up, rewrite

by Parmenides Tuesday, Sep. 30, 2003 at 8:33 PM

Don't give up on Greek philosophy, and read the great intellects you so quickly put down! Where is your evidence? Citations?

Kind of specious.

C+ (rewrite for a better grade)
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of low intelligence

by fresca Tuesday, Sep. 30, 2003 at 10:14 PM

"Most of the people who become conservatives are, at age 18, still reading porn, watching footbal, and business biographies.

The young conservatives, oddly enough, may find themselves becoming more humanist and liberal as they age and feel the beat-down that life delivers to the bookish and intellectual.
"

In an attempt to make some typically inane point about the nature of conservatives the writer has completely and totally contradicted himself.

First he asserts that young concervatives are lowbrow, pornreading jocks, ie. anti-intellectuals.

This simpleton then proposes that as they age, conservatives tend to became more "humanist and liberal" (as if these had any relation to each other) owing to the fact that life tends to deliver "beatdowns" to these "bookish and intellectual" young conservatives.

Hmmmm.

Not the brightest bulb on the tree.
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Reply for Garin K. Hovannisian

by MadMaxim Tuesday, Sep. 30, 2003 at 11:20 PM

What you're describing is Communist objective number 31:

"31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over. "

FROM:
Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963

Current Communist Goals EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Thursday, January 10, 1963

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=communist+goals+congressional+record+1963
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right on

by ucla alum 2 Wednesday, Oct. 01, 2003 at 4:16 PM

ucla alum. yeah, many of the professors at UCLA are ideologically left wing. but if you learn anything in college, you should be able to think critically about political issues and not just parrot one side or the other. if the author really tries to get something out of an undergraduate education at UCLA, he will be able at the end to ask questions like, "what assumptions underlie this political statement," or, "what could be the real reasons behind that politician's policy, other than what he/she has said in public?" about both sides of the political spectrum.

plus, there are PLENTY of conservative student groups on campus (e.g. bruin republicans, student investment society, and any number of evangelical christian groups).

if you don't like the professor's point of view, write him/her a term paper that explains yours! they've got nothing to lose; that's what professorial tenure is for. follow ucla alum's advice and enjoy college! UCLA is a great place to be and to learn; the opportunities are limitless! do some research and show those whacky liberals a thing or two! but don't just complain.

oh, and a short ad hominem sidebar ;)

bush admirer, shame on you for not respecting your child's wishes if he or she wanted to go to UCLA or Cal. if my son wanted to go to Bob Jones U. i can't say i would be happy about it, but i would let him decide what is best for himself!
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references?

by ucla alum 2 Thursday, Oct. 02, 2003 at 1:34 PM

hey BA, you may think UCLA is a laughingstock, but you did not respond to my other point: there are tons of conservatives on campus if you want to edit your exposure to the world. what would you say to those bruin republicans? are they lost souls drowning hoplessly in a sea of liberality, or are they not capable of keeping their own political views throughout their college career? or what about those religious conservatives? it sure did not seem to me that they were falling for the so-called liberal media's take on morality and spirituality. do you really have that little faith in people to make up their own minds?

awaiting your reply.
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The reason for Chomsky worship.

by nonanarchist Thursday, Oct. 02, 2003 at 7:50 PM

From this week's Parade magazine (sorry, no link; it's not on the online version):

In Marilyn Vos Savant's column, Ask Marilyn, a reader writes:

"I work at a community college where two instructors teach the same science course. One explains concepts clearly, and his students do well on standardized tests. The other is scattered and confusing, and his students perform poorly. But the students believe the latter instructor is brilliant: They think that his explanations are simply over their heads! Why does this perception occur?"
--Name withheld, Irvine, California.

She replies:
"The kids don't yet have enough confidence in themselves. THIS IS ONE REASON YOUNG PEOPLE ARE MORE SUSCEPTIBLE TO CHARISMATIC LEADERS AND CHARLATANS. ADULTS-- SPECIALLY THOSE WHO LACK A GOOD EDUCATION -- SOMETIMES MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE. BOTH GROUPS ARE MORE EASILY MISLED INTO BELIEVING THAT MYSTERIOUS PEOPLE ARE HIGHLY INTELLIGENT: When listeners hear material they don't grasp, they assume the fault is with them, notthe speaker. So, if the listeners consider themselves fairly intelligent, why, the speaker must be brilliant!" [emphasis added]

So, there you have it.

That's why Chomsky is so venerated.
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OneEyedMan

by KPC Thursday, Oct. 02, 2003 at 7:58 PM

You're not making sense Fido...are you saying that Chomsky is popular because he is confusing?

Confusing to who? You? Then speak for yourself....I certainly don't find him confusing...
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No, he doesn't confuse me.

by nonanarchist Thursday, Oct. 02, 2003 at 8:37 PM

Because I don't try to decipher nonsense.

Chomsky's linguistics therories are ridiculous. His "transformations", that he claims we make in our heads, translating thoughts into words using a two-step process, is patently silly. He claims all humans do this, no matter what language we speak, yet his transformations are amazingly Anglo-centric. Such languages as Madarin Chinese are vastly different in structure from English, yet the same tansformations are used? I think not.

BTW, Chicken Boy, Marilyn Vos Savant wrote that. She is listed in the Guiness Book of World Records Hall of Fame for "Highest IQ". It's 228, in case you're curious.

Funny, though...a Google of "noam chosmky iq" turned up nothing. I searched 10 pages of results and no IQ number showed up. One thing did, though, that leads me to suspect the Marilyn has little competition form Noam:

From http://vikingphoenix.com/public/gchof/chomsky.htm:

'Chomsky told interviewer David Barsamian and the listening audience that "Literally, the Second Amendment doesn't permit people to have guns."'

A few sandwiches shy of a picnic, looks like.
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actually...

by frank black Thursday, Oct. 02, 2003 at 8:54 PM

the grammatical structure of mandarin chinese is closer to english than it is to japanese, for example. it is, however, true that chinese is much less inflected (changes in word endings) than is english
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OneEyedMan

by KCP Thursday, Oct. 02, 2003 at 9:26 PM

Fido: "Chomsky's linguistics therories are ridiculous."

Really? What are your qualifications to make this judgement, other than being a bootlicking dickhead?

Face, it, Pvt. Fido...ya don't have the slightest idea what you are talking about...your just repeating some shit you heard somewhere else....

Fido: "Marilyn Vos Savant wrote that. She is listed in the Guiness Book of World Records Hall of Fame for "Highest IQ". It's 228, in case you're curious."

Well, actually I'm not. I was commenting on your implications, not her quote, so unless you are boosting your IQ by association, that's a non-sequitor.

Fido: "Funny, though...a Google of "noam chosmky iq" turned up nothing. I searched 10 pages of results and no IQ number showed up. One thing did, though, that leads me to suspect the Marilyn has little competition form Noam"

Funny thing is that I input "chomsky iq" and got 6,290...but besides that, what is this, comparitive measurements of intelligence through a google search?

...no wonder Chomsky confounds you.....you're easily confounded.



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Does verbally abusive language work?

by Bill Winter Thursday, Oct. 02, 2003 at 9:34 PM

Many Libertarians who engage in name-calling or macho-flashing believe our "absolute truth" is so clear that people should embrace it after hearing our slogans, and so virtuous that anyone who opposes it must be evil or stupid.

Name-calling and insults may confirm (to us) our own superiority, but do little to persuade others that we are good, levelheaded, compassionate folks who can be trusted with the reins of power.
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don't like UCLA

by you won't be missed Friday, Oct. 03, 2003 at 1:30 AM

go here
http://www.bju.edu/index
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then it appears that you have lose your mind

by duh Friday, Oct. 03, 2003 at 6:10 AM

your homies are either
ignorant actors with no political knowledge.

or

southern fried racists

or religoius extremists

and your a moderate?

ROFL
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paste me some brains please

by Hex anon w/ encryption Friday, Oct. 03, 2003 at 6:45 AM

paste me some brains...
message_becoming_clear.jpg, image/jpeg, 640x480

> Not the brightest bulb on the tree.


Look who's talking - the burned out bulb himself !




> Because I don't try to decipher nonsense.


nonsense is a word you use quite a bit I've noticed - for FOIA documents, actual photographs, video which backs them up, etc..

Noam's lectures are neither nonsense nor need deciphering by anyone with even average intelligence. Your dysfunction notwithstanding millions of people are able to understand him.



> Chomsky's linguistics therories are ridiculous.


(someone else wrote that - I pasted it)

And it doesn't apply to the issues we're speaking of, that's some deep understanding you have !




> I like smart people who have balanced views and don't toe the party line on every issue. Arnold comes to mind. Newt comes to mind. Ann Coulter comes to mind.


Arnold, Newt and Ann

Imagine that - these people are "smart" to you...

I guess now everyone can see why you have to "decipher" Noam

Your IQ must be in the low 70's from everything I've seen so far

borderline retarded...



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Chicken Boy and Hex

by nonanarchist Friday, Oct. 03, 2003 at 7:05 AM

"What are your qualifications to make this judgement..."

I recognize garbage when I see it.

"...so unless you are boosting your IQ by association, that's a non-sequitor."

Nope, just tossing out a fact.

"... what is this, comparitive measurements of intelligence through a google search?"

Again, nope. Just curious about the Left's demi-god's number. While I didn't find it, I did find the priceless "2nd Amendment" quote, which is very telling.

Now tell me: What part of "The right of the people to keep and bear arms" means "Literally, the Second Amendment doesn't permit people to have guns." as Chomsky claims?

The only thing about Chomsky that confounds me is why he's so popular. Oh, wait, I know that...he hates America and holds her responsible for every evil in history.

That's why you like him.

Hex:
"nonsense is a word you use quite a bit I've noticed - for FOIA documents, actual photographs, video which backs them up, etc.. "

You've got me confused with someone else. Are you still bleating that all the conservatives in here are one person? How cute. Maybe one day you'll grow up out of your insecurities and won't have to pretend.

"Noam's lectures are neither nonsense nor need deciphering by anyone with even average intelligence."

But a total ignorance of history sure does help.

"And it doesn't apply to the issues we're speaking of, that's some deep understanding you have ! "

My point is this...if Chomsky, a linguist, espouses ridiculous linguistics theories, why in the world do people listen to his geopolitical theories? One more vicitm if the "I'm an expert in one field, therefore I'm an expert in ALL fields" syndrome so common amongst the Left.
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a disinfotainment scam artist

by Hex anon w/ encryption Friday, Oct. 03, 2003 at 8:05 AM

a disinfotainment sc...
fighting_for_peace.jpg, image/jpeg, 446x570

> Nope, just tossing out a fact.

um- nonsense (wow, that *is* easy !)



> The only thing about Chomsky that confounds me is why he's so popular.


Yes we can see it escapes your understanding, yet you have no lack of opinion to fill the void I see.

Maybe if you asked someone who *understands* him you could get a clue, but I forgot - you don't WANT to - it's so much easyer to simply say anything you don't understand is "nonsense" and simply say anything you claim are facts without providing any evidence at all - while all the evidence in the world becomes "nonsense" when you ignorantly say so.



> Are you still bleating that all the conservatives in here are one person?


Baaaa ! Yes the IP's show that;

daveman
fresca
nonanarchist
normal rational person
bush admirer
kobe duke
(plus a few more)

are all the same person, this has been confirmed by 3 different IP lists and IMC people, confirmed at least 4 times over

It's also confirmed you are a troll from LGF - only here to irritate, disrupt and distract for amusement

all facts are labeled "nonsense", all FOIA documents are fake, all photographs are made up, all video is ? (you never did specifically try to refute that, did you ?, simply implied it was as well)

your ignorant OPINIONS become facts just because you say so, while actual facts are ALL nonsense, this tactic being in tune with the agenda of simply disrupting and distracting constructive discussions since the truth is dangerous





> But a total ignorance of history sure does help.


I was hoping you would try to say that.

I do research on many subjects, I've found (when I listen to Noam's lectures while I air them) that he merely *confirms* what I've already seen with my own eyes. He in fact constantly encourages people to *see for themselves* - to do their own fact finding, to pull their own FOIA documents, etc..

Only people like you with an agenda to hide the truth even claim otherwise, the inaccuracy of the claim directly relates to how dishonest you are...

You not only lie about every subject that's brought up, you also lie about yourself, your involvement with kobe and LGF, basicly lie about EVERYTHING.

And that's the whole problem right there - the exact reason why you assume everyone else is a liar is *because you see the world through the eyes of a liar*

You're constantly lying so you think everyone else is too..

Actual proof, data, FOIA, pics/video, this means nothing to you because

A) you don't want it to
B) you really REALLY don't want it to for other people

Your whole life is based on lies & ignorance, so you wish to pull other's down to that level.

What does one say to a person who not only lives in lies but wishes nothing but such on everyone else ?

No words no discussion can even begin to address such a severe dysfunction




> if Chomsky, a linguist, espouses ridiculous linguistics theories, why in the world do people listen to his geopolitical theories? One more vicitm if the "I'm an expert in one field, therefore I'm an expert in ALL fields" syndrome so common amongst the Left.


This is an incredibly weak argument. Considering your not qualified in either field to start with. But beyond that it's a strawman attack, a classic game played by those with no proof, no evidence, no data.

And it's the double-standard of all proof being nonsense (just because you say so) and any opinion you can come up with being "fact" (again, just because you say so)

The purpose of research isn't to find a flaw and proceed to use it as an excuse to blind yourself or other's to the truth. Yet this is exactly the attitude you have.

anti-research

anti-intellectual

plays at trying to tell *people far smarter* what "facts" are and also tries to dismiss real facts as "nonsense"

it's not the person - it's the words. just having them there, to distract, to drown out, to disrupt.

just a word game, you're not interested in the truth at all - your only interest is in trying to keep other's away from it
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Eyes rolling

by fresca Friday, Oct. 03, 2003 at 8:41 AM

"daveman
fresca
nonanarchist
normal rational person
bush admirer
kobe duke
(plus a few more)

are all the same person, this has been confirmed by 3 different IP lists and IMC people, confirmed at least 4 times over
"


Uh actually, it hasn't.

Please give just a little prrof of this fantasy of yours.

This should be fun.


Still an ass.
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all proof "nonsense" to fresca blind 7

by Hex anon w/ encryption Friday, Oct. 03, 2003 at 9:24 AM

> a little prrof

If FOIA documents, photographs taken by the protesters posted on their own websites, along with video of the exact same scene, series of photographs, TV show audio, etc

are all "nonsense"

what in the world could such a request be OTHER than a time sink ?

I can post the IP's and screen shots and URL's to see them on-line... The statements by IMC'ers who have sat and *watched you post as different people listed above* and said so...

all this will be "nonsense" just like EVERYTHING ELSE is.

so the point isn't to convince you - there IS no convincing you...

it's to *inform IMC patrons* that it's a waste of time to engage in any discussion at all - on any level - with any of the handles you use - proof or not - because as far as you're concerned there's no such thing as proof - period

so trying to prove anything at all with you is a waste of time - period

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yep

by fresca Friday, Oct. 03, 2003 at 9:35 AM

That's what I thought. Nothing.

You say you have IP addresses but I suspect you have nothing.


Oh, but you do have "statements".

Keep up the good work. I'm flattered to have someone so obsessed with me.
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This article makes me sick.

by Nate Friday, Oct. 03, 2003 at 9:51 AM

What is going on in our colleges and universities? Young minds are being tainted by liberal instructors and looney leftwing subversive professors, that's what! We need to take our schools and our children back from these dungeons and toss the fifth column elements out on their asses!

Do not give money to schools like UCLA or Berkeley. Do not send your children to these schools.
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nothing = nonsense, same diff

by Hex anon w/ encryption Friday, Oct. 03, 2003 at 9:51 AM

of course I have nothing - don't I always ?

(that's what alter-kobe persona's have been whining about too - all the "nothing" I've been posting...)

and even when I post the IP's, the screen shots, the URL's - I still have "nothing"

Just like the FOIA documents were "nothing" and all the pictures were "fake", the USS Liberty audio from the TV show "I made up", the crewmen know "nothing", only the NSA tells the truth...

everything's "nothing/nonsense/fake/madeup"

fresca blind 8

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Deadline: Oct. 15, 2003

by time Friday, Oct. 03, 2003 at 10:06 AM

Here's how to prove you have something, Hex-a-reno. You claim you provided evidence to the Feds regarding threats by kobe on public officials. They take that stuff seriously. REAL seriously. So if you did, then kobe should be detained and will be unable to post to this site. Something like that whould make the papers, too. There's no doubt about that.

Deadline: October 15, 2003

That will have been a month or more since you claim to have given them the evidence, more than enough time for them to arrest him, or them as case may be. If the Feds do, then we know you have something. If they don't, that means you didn't.

Kobe's writing style is pretty distinguishable here, so we can tell if it's him or not. You got 2 weeks to prove you have something. Show us what you can do.
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Dumb Chumpski

by BTW Friday, Oct. 03, 2003 at 10:29 AM

Chumpsker is a lightweight. I used to call him an intellectual lightweight, but upon further study and observation, he and "intellect" exist in separate universe's. People who view him as brilliant are equally as stupid and uninformed as he. And if you challenge his writings and/or their reasoning capacity, they'll demand that you show them where Chumpdork is wrong, and when you do, they'll provide you with post after post and link after link of more undocumented nonsense to back up their idol. That they have to defend him is further evidence that he is a lightweight.

The one thing hes has done is that he has discoved a target market of America haters, has written books and papers that appeal to that target market, and has taken these suckers and their money all the way to the bank. Good capitalist.
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Chumpsky and his merry band of half-wits.

by Nate Friday, Oct. 03, 2003 at 10:57 AM

"The one thing hes has done is that he has discoved a target market of America haters, has written books and papers that appeal to that target market, and has taken these suckers and their money all the way to the bank. Good capitalist."

I could not agree with this statement more. But this statment inherently contradicts your premise, BA.

Chumpsky is not stupid. Oh no, nothing could be farther from the truth. He is only stupid like Gilligan was stupid. Bob Denver was not nearly as stupid as the character he played on TV.

While he may not be brilliant, Chumpsky is not stupid because he plays these subversive elements for the fools that they are, and he laughs all the way to the bank.

It is the loony leftists, the ones that actually buy into the snake oil that Chumpsky sells, that are the half-wits.
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Nate

by BTW Friday, Oct. 03, 2003 at 11:00 AM

>But this statment inherently contradicts your premise, BA.

I'm not BA.

Good post.
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a troll is a troll is a troll...

by Hex anon w/ encryption Friday, Oct. 03, 2003 at 11:07 AM

> Newt, Coulter, and Arnold are all on a much higher intellectual level than Chomsky


said "bush admirer"
aka
kobe duke
aka
daveman
aka
fresca
aka
nonanarchist
aka
panolope
aka
normal rational person
aka
observer
aka
jennifer
aka
anna
aka
kabong
aka
nate
aka
BTW


did I miss any ?


> I've never posted under any of those names

So then the question is who posted under your "name" then.

Other kobes, or other nameless LGF trolls ?


you(all) can deny all you like, but both IMC and we all know better, you won't find a single person to support your lies other than even more people you make up (kabong being the latest) and don't think I'm not aware of DeVoy's games, the IP's showed him doing it too (posting as "kobe" several times to say things to try to put him in a bad light)

however DeVoy isn't holding an agenda to spoof IMC's, harass and threaten, turn people in to the authorities at any opening (like the openings generated by visiting kobe's honeypot). Although he's stooped to some of the same tricks you've been playing, it's nowhere near the level of the life kobe has (or lack thereof).

Nothing any of you trolls say can be true - it's safe to say everything ever typed is simply a lie, since all known examples bear this out.

kobe sbm/hq = ned/observer/jennifer/anna/kabong/nate
kobe duke = daveman/fresca/nonanarchist/bush admirer/panolope/normal rational person

there's 1-3 people posting as 3-6 people each according to IP's & IMC statements, with all exchanging handles as a kobe tactic

so in this case a troll is many trolls

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Hex Anon = Warren Palin (aka Diogenes)

by in the know Friday, Oct. 03, 2003 at 11:12 AM

I have confirmed the IP addresses and now know beyond all certainty that Hex and Warren are one and the same.

By the way, you never did answer the question Warren. Do you or do you not, like anchovies?

We hope you do...
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faker

by . Friday, Oct. 03, 2003 at 11:30 AM

Ah yes, our resident faker. The one who can dish it out but can't take it. Faker for the most part embodies the whole of the left. Buncha losers.
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">>So then the question is who posted under your "name" then?"

by Warren Palin Friday, Oct. 03, 2003 at 11:30 AM

I am responsible for about 90% of the fake posts in this form.

My alter ego, Hex Anon is for the other 10%.
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so now everybody is fake

by Hex anon w/ encryption Friday, Oct. 03, 2003 at 12:25 PM

> Hex Anon = Warren Palin (aka Diogenes)

in your dreams

Once more - I'm someone completely from out of the blue who simply decided to help take kobe down after seeing both the games and BS being pulled with DeVoy *and especially* the threats and agendas toward IMC and it's patrons

Since I'm anon, always have been and will remain so, plus the fact that I don't have any contacts on the internet, don't deal with or post on other boards and have tight security, you have NO chance to find out either. Only a very select few in IMC ever even had access to the gateway IP, and it's extremely unlikely you could ever obtain the info

Claiming I'm anyone else will do you no good since the person involved (Warren in this case) knows better.

IMC see's the IP at the end of my chain, since you cannot access it they know better but again you never will.

I doubt Warren can go into technical details that I can and I sure as hell know he couldn't have named to 3 trolls I just did (who I've been debunking on the main IMC lately)

Play your spoofing games all you like but realize it only takes up time & energy you would be better spending figuring out how to worm your way out of the hole you've dug yourself in

I did read some of Warren's comments and there is a slight resemblance so I can see why you would make that connection - *IF YOU WERE DESPERATE TO*

and moving kobehq.com, reading my old posts for dirt and inventing several more kobes to whine about hiding your death threat qualify as desperate acts

after all - if there was nothing to the data you wouldn't have a care in the world - you could care less about it


insted you've moved kobehq.com, tried dirt digging on me and have more "helpers" to try to get it hidden


hardly not having a care now is it ?

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Hex

by time Friday, Oct. 03, 2003 at 12:35 PM

Deadline: October 15, 2003

Either the Feds have kobe rounded up based upon your "evidence" or they don't, in which case, you are a liar.

You got 2 weeks. Make it count.
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sure whatever you say sarge

by Hex anon w/ encryption Friday, Oct. 03, 2003 at 12:44 PM

bush admirer
aka
kobe duke
aka
daveman
aka
fresca
aka
nonanarchist
aka
panolope
aka
normal rational person
aka
observer
aka
jennifer
aka
anna
aka
kabong
aka
nate
aka
BTW
aka
time



You know what - after that day you won't have anything to worry about anymore - I promise !

do you believe me ?


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"do you believe me ?"

by pollster Friday, Oct. 03, 2003 at 2:45 PM

Let's take a poll...
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no please believe me - kobe is perfectly safe

by Hex anon w/ encryption Friday, Oct. 03, 2003 at 6:32 PM

kobe is safe to post anything he likes - go ahead - post some more death threats. tell us again how you are in law enforcement too. tell us it's "open season" to abuse threaten and harass whomever you desire.

do it

do it now


(note - he has a mental defect of short attention span, he forgets all too quickly the things he's said in the past. The authorities, IMC, other patrons and ME do not forget however and all present and future actions are based on *everything* he's said - as much as he would like to sweep it under the rug today)
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Hex

by time Friday, Oct. 03, 2003 at 6:36 PM

Deadline: Oct. 15, 2003

Looking forward to see if you can deliver.
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Hex

by nonanarchist Friday, Oct. 03, 2003 at 6:37 PM

STILL waiting for proof that I'm ANYONE besides nonanarchist.

Put up or shut up, Geek Boy.
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OneEyedMan

by KPC Friday, Oct. 03, 2003 at 6:53 PM

Fido: "I recognize garbage when I see it. "

Just what I thought, this doggie don't know WHAT the fuck he's barkin' about....
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