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Students Stand up to Summer Work Company

by Students Against Vector Exploitation Monday, Sep. 15, 2003 at 8:31 PM
chasselius@spamcop.net

National group of students rally against unethical business practices of summer work company.

Have you ever answered a vague but very attractive help wanted ad and come down for the interview only to find out it's not a job ad at all, but instead is a business opportunity they have to take an hour or so to sell to you? A company called Vector Marketing has been doing this for years deceiving tens of thousands of young students and a group called Students Against Vector Exploitation (SAVE) is getting together because they are not going to take it anymore.

Lauren, the co-founder of SAVE just recently won a case with the NY Dept. of Labor alleging Vector to have breached the independent contractor- client relationship making her an employee, and Vector has sent her a check to compensate her work during unpaid training. She says "I know others can win too, it's just a matter of standing up for your rights."

Vector Marketing is a company that targets students nation-wide to sell Cutco kitchen knives with in-home demonstrations. They are encouraged to sell to their family and friends to start out with and are pretty successful in the beginning, since it's easy to sell to people that care about you and feel obligated to help out. But after that they must rely on referrals, which can be difficult since not too many people want to let stangers into their house to get a sales pitch on knife sets that typically cost several hundred dollars. David Tatar, a supervisor with the Wisconsin Consumer Protection Dept. was quoted in 1996 by the Washington Post as saying "that state surveyed 940 Vector recruits in 1992 and found that almost half either earned nothing or lost money working for Vector" and "workers in that state earned less than $3 a day on average selling cutlery for Vector."

Workers are hired as independent contractors, but must follow strict rules as to who they can sell to and how to give the presentation in order to get paid if they don't sell, and they must work under a manager often having to check in to the office and go to conferences. They must either buy or put down a deposit for at least $145 for a set to give demostrations with. And some optional conferences they need to pay to attend.

Further research shows that they were sued by the Arizona Attorney General in 1990, ordered by the state of Wisconsin not to decieve it's recruits in 1994, and sued by the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission in 1999. Each time their legal trouble revolved around fraudulant recruiting tactics and each time they settled and promised not to mislead their recruits anymore. The Toronto Star wrote an article about fraudulant job advertising in 1994 and wrote that they decided not to run Vector's ads anymore. Lewis & Clark's college student newspaper in Oregon wrote an article in 1997 calling the company a scam and interviewed a receptionist alleging she was told to deceive students over the phone. SAVE doesn't believe they have cleaned up their act, members see these type of complaints about the company all over the internet all the time.

Kay Bible believes Vector shows their recruits fabricated ads of their top competitor Henckels and gives them loaded information to make their knives seem the best. She also says she was told their product appeared in severals articles like Consumer Reports magazine leading her to believe they got favorable reviews but upon researching them she found out they found issues with things like rusting and potentially uncomforable handles. She said she was told they were a fortune 500 company when they hadn't been owned by Alcoa, a fortune 500 company, for more than 20 years.

SAVE believes tens of thousands of students lose their time and many of them lose their money buying demo kits for this company. An anti-Vector petition on the internet has over 1400 signatures.
To find out more about SAVE and information on joining, you can look it up on their webpage at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/savecampaign

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Would like some cheese with that wine?

by nighthawk45750 Thursday, Sep. 08, 2005 at 4:29 AM
nighthawk45750@putitinsideme.com

Tomorrow I go for Vector Training. All these people complaing are lazy and unmotivated. My interview experience wasn't bad at all. We got to see the articles he talked about. We can borrow the kit instead of paying for it. The best part is I got hired the same day I applied. Every article i read has the same ol' song and dance of all the other articles. Lets change it up some. Get new facts. The lastest fact is from 1999. I make these suggestions to you to succesfully sell CUTCO. 1. Live in an area where the average home is between $250,000 and up. This way you know people have money to blow on a new set of knives. 2. People are hesitant to let you into their homes. Find a grocery store that will let you do a weekly demo. This way you can reach more people at once. If Vector says this is wrong. Do it anyway. It's better than telemarketing. As a result of this, you will get a strong customer base. After 6 to 12 months of weekly demos, you can reduce them to once a month. 3. In your demos, always tell the truth. If people ask about other knives, Simply say "I am unsure of other knives." If they go and buy from a different comapany, oh well. There are more people out there. When demoing a serrated knive from CUTCO, be sure the competitor is also serrated. Be like an infomerical, dazzle and impress them. They will be more likely to buy from you. God knows I've been impressed by infomericals, even if they were selling utter crap. Remember to work hard and stay focused. You may not see results immediatly, but good things come to those who wait.
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nighthawk

by AyatollahGondola Thursday, Sep. 08, 2005 at 5:24 AM

Nighthawk,
You sound like you can slice, dice, and make Julian fries with whatever you find in someones car ashtray. The point to this persons' article was the hype and BS that lures young people needing income into believing it's something its' not. This is the intention of many of these ads and has been going on for many, many years. "Bait and switch" is the teqnique used to attract customers; "Pyramid" is the false foundation it's based on. If the product is so good and the income so easy, there would be no need to dangle this misleading ad in the front of young folks, as there would be thousands, if not millions of older, more experienced sellers clamoring for it. The fact is, a good salesman can sell anything just like you kind of pointed out. The other fact is, they are looking for in-experienced "marks" moreso than good salesman.
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Vector is Not a Scam

by Laura Mandzok Tuesday, Oct. 07, 2008 at 2:04 PM
laura.mertens@gmail.com

I worked for Vector for 8 summers during college and graduate school. I found this position at groovejob.com by doing a simple internet search for "summer jobs for college students". The ad was (and still is) very straight forward and speaks the truth.



If you're willing to work, you are able to make money while maintaining a very flexible schedule. I enjoyed my time working for Vector Marketing and others have to.

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