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by Latuff
Friday, Aug. 29, 2003 at 5:48 PM
latuff@uninet.com.br
Now it's clear why Israeli bus cartoon was "hidden" on IMC NYC. It's anti-Semitic, according anonymous moderator. In his/her own words: "You've been banned from the Indymedia's of three different countries, though unfortunately not NYC, for your perceived anti-semitism."
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by Anarchist
Friday, Aug. 29, 2003 at 7:08 PM
I find it interesting that you are harassed for being anti-Semitic and not harassed for being anti-American, given that your art treats both equally. That you are accused vicously of one and not of the other proves that the one is bull$hit.
Your art is a bit bloody at times and sometimes I think you go too far, but that is your choice and your right. All things considered, I'm glad you're out there providing such great art to IndyMedia. Keep up the good work.
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by mediawatcher
Friday, Aug. 29, 2003 at 8:51 PM
Your cartoons are sometimes destabilising, disturbing, and just plain crude, but then so is Bill Maher when he talks shit about Arabs and other people of color on HBO, but nobody says anything. I enjoy your work because it jolts people out of their stupor when they aren't trying to pay attention to the seriousness of what a particular issue or incident is about. The recent bus bombing in Israel is tragic and disturbing, but so is the rape of an entire Arab nation and the murder of at least 10,000 civilians. Let's see the pseudo-progressives and white liberals make a stink about that. But when you have a bunch of Anglo-liberals pretended to be sensitive American Jews, they get all bent about what happens in Jerusalem, even when their own progressive Jewish-American brethren tell them to put things in context. Sorry the poseurs in NYC are trying to shut you up. Look at what they're doing in LA just because a youth of color has achieved prominence by being a victim of asscrofts amerikkka. The infiltrators are trying to undermine the anti-occupation movements now that we are more stronger and vindicated than ever. The poseurs need to read Alex Cockburn's new book "The Politics of Anti-Semetism" and get a clue. Keep up the struggle my Brazilian brotha...
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by nonanarchist
Friday, Aug. 29, 2003 at 9:09 PM
Thank you, Mr. Obvious!
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by Mr. Obvious
Friday, Aug. 29, 2003 at 9:22 PM
nonanarchist AKA smashtheleft is an Islamophobe.
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by nonanarchist
Friday, Aug. 29, 2003 at 9:26 PM
I am not smashtheleft.
If you believe I am, you're an idiot who will believe anything you read. That would explain why you believe the idiotarian party line.
Now that that's cleared up, prove that I'm an Islamophobe.
All you have to do is cut and paste.
Go ahead, I'm waiting.
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by IP Dude
Friday, Aug. 29, 2003 at 9:34 PM
"I am not smashtheleft."
Oh, really? Then why are you posting from the same computer? Idiot.
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by nonanarchist
Friday, Aug. 29, 2003 at 9:41 PM
Never mind; you're using the imc definition of Islamophobe..."Someone who does not hate Jews."
Let's see what other imc definitions we can come up with!
Fascist -- anyone who doesn't wish George Bush was dead.
Anarchist -- someone who belives that a society suitable for small, isolated, agrarian communities can work for a modern technological nation of 280 million.
Communism -- A form of government where the workers control the means of production and which DID NOT kill 100 million people.
Capitalism -- A form of economics that, despite bringing the highest standard of living to the most people, is inherently evil and should be abolished in favor of Communism, which DID NOT kill 100 million people.
Zionist -- See Nazi.
Nazi -- See Zionist.
Taxes -- money the government collects in order to give to people so they don't have to work. NOTE: taxes must never be spent on defense, because if we appease those who would kill us, it's morally superior to defending ourselves.
Military -- A fighting force, composed of mindless, brainwashed killers, which should never be used for self-defense, but only deployed at the unanimous request of every nation on earth.
France -- a nation morally superior to the United States because they oppose US action anywhere in the world, and they don't bathe very often.
Have I left anything out?
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by Beaker
Friday, Aug. 29, 2003 at 9:41 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NAILED! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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by nonanarchist
Friday, Aug. 29, 2003 at 9:43 PM
And we are supposed to believe you because...?
What's the IP stand for, "Ignorant prat"?
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by A THIRD GRADER
Friday, Aug. 29, 2003 at 9:43 PM
So if I decide to become a conservative, I can make up my own definitions for words? Wow!!! You conservatives don't have to think or anything!!!!
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by nonanarchist
Friday, Aug. 29, 2003 at 9:44 PM
I haven't had a thought in years!
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by nonanarchist
Friday, Aug. 29, 2003 at 9:45 PM
These are imc's definitions.
I just put 'em all together for your comfort and convenience.
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by FOX NEWS
Friday, Aug. 29, 2003 at 9:47 PM
We love you! You should work for our "news" department. Would you like a free "O'Reilly Factor" windbreaker?
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by nonanarchist
Friday, Aug. 29, 2003 at 9:49 PM
Have you considered any new material?
You're getting really boring.
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by Rational Normal Person
Friday, Aug. 29, 2003 at 9:55 PM
Watch out! "fake boy" is outside your window!
PSYCHO.
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by fresca
Friday, Aug. 29, 2003 at 10:08 PM
"entire Arab nation and the murder of at least 10,000 civilians."
When did this happen?
You must be talking about the Hama massacre in 1982.
10,000 civilian casualties hasn't happened for a loooong time.
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by fresca
Friday, Aug. 29, 2003 at 10:10 PM
Watch out! A Muslim is outside your window!!!!
PSYCHO.
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by nonanarchist
Friday, Aug. 29, 2003 at 10:38 PM
You're outed.
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by fresca
Friday, Aug. 29, 2003 at 10:45 PM
You're psychotic.
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by nonanarchist
Friday, Aug. 29, 2003 at 10:46 PM
You're outed, shill.
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by fresca
Friday, Aug. 29, 2003 at 10:56 PM
That WAS me, you paranoid psycho.
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by nonanarchist
Friday, Aug. 29, 2003 at 10:57 PM
You're outed, shill.
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by Scottie
Saturday, Aug. 30, 2003 at 12:59 AM
Yup, everyone here is fake. Whatever helps you through the night, skippy.
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by Dave
Saturday, Aug. 30, 2003 at 1:37 AM
Certainly in his native Brazil Mr Latuff has been warned off street kids for his "unique" interest in their well-being.
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by Mark
Saturday, Aug. 30, 2003 at 3:25 AM
As a NYC IMC member, I'd like to contribute some personal thoughts (emphasis on personal, as in mine and not representing the nyc imc).
I'm glad that this seems to have reached a reasonable conclusion for al and latuff. But I am not happy with how this has topic has been painted, and the tar and feather job done on our collective.
We've had well over a hundred latuff cartoons on our site this year, and at least one was featured through our center column. To my knowledge, this is the first time a latuff post was hidden by the moderators. To flip out and write an open letter on our newswire, with statements like "Are you kids for real? Or are you just playing at being 'radicals," calling our members "cowards" and "assholes," and with Latuff following up with accusations that nyc imc hid the post to appease the "zionist audience." Well, the whole thing was handled in a salacious manner heavily salted with insults to us here in new york city. I'd like to see Al and Latuff appologize.
In the last 72 hours nyc indymedia has bent over backwards to explain why we have a moderation policy, how it operates, and where the transparency is.
The facts are like this: (1) everyone by now knows that nyc indymedia, like most imcs, gets blitzed by trolls posting pornographic and racist garbage hundreds of times a day, all of which is designed to damage the functionality of the newswire by burying people's news and comments under a deluge of offensive material; (2) this is why we have a moderation policy -- it's made a big difference to the functioning of the site. If you don't believe me, go look at the newswire from earlier this year and you'll see that its completely unreadable and worthless. (3) A moderation policy needs individuals to manage it. Dozens or hundreds of posts can not be handled thru a collective -- we would be meeting continuously 24-7-365. So it's a decentralized process. (4) Al and Latuff's sense of where the line should be drawn is not going to be the same as that of a third person. Simply put, the imc moderator drew the line farther over than latuff wanted it. Too bad.
As for the accusations of censorship, this is absurd -- I call your attention to the hundreds of other latuff cartoons that have all been posted. If we were censoring latuff they would have all come down in bulk. They have not. I would like to ask Al Giordano where MY posts are to HIS website, bigleftmedia. What rating does Al get on the hypocrite-o-meter? It's your policy to censor whatever you don't like.
As for the zionist bias charged, that's equally absurd. NYC Indymedia has been in the forefront of publishing on the spot news from ISM founder Adam Shapiro and ISM activist Kristen Ess, both on our website and thru the Indypendent newspaper, which has also been a forum for analysis of Israel's settlement policy, security wall, policy of targeted assasination, and other actions which keep the violence and injustice going. I couldn't sit here and watch someone tell a lie about our commitment to telling the truth about Palestine. Moreover, the moderator who hid the post was deported from Israel for ISM activity. I think we've got our Israel vs. Palestine credentials well established.
But I guess truth wasn't what Al wanted to wage, which he made clear in the following post to nyc indymedia about why he dragged our name thru the mud: "Action had to be taken fast. A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth can put its pants on." Basically, it's an admission that he blew this out of proportion. Nice. I thank you for trashing NYC IMC on your website, our website and elsewhere throughout the ether. All in the name of 2 days worth of blog material.
Al also wrote to nyc indymedia: "I don't think any harm was done. To the contrary, freedom was done! I think a fire was put out before it spread wide enough to cause indelible harm to the Indymedia movement..." Thank god we've got al giordano to save indymedia. Really. Like a lot of imc's, we've been working our asses off for months to deal with the right-wing deluge of spam designed to render our website inopperable. We've grappled with the issue of censorship, creating what's actually a pretty transparent process to deal with the job. All Al and Latuff did with this stunt was highlight that any moderation policy will always draw the line somewhere that other people will disagree with. To blow latuff's cartoon out of proportion suggests that there is a system-wide problem at nyc indymedia. There is not. The newswire is readable and functioning again, and we have a transparent system that works. I felt the need to stand up for our moderation policy, and draw out the central fact of this whole fracas -- al and latuff just didn't like where the line got drawn.
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by Another Cartoonist
Saturday, Aug. 30, 2003 at 11:11 PM
"You've been banned from the Indymedia's of three different countries, though unfortunately not NYC, for your perceived anti-semitism."
this statement does seem a bit over the boundary, more so than Laftiff's sometimes acid visual presentations. Sometimes it hurts. That's art.
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