In the above photo, U.S. occupation troops can be seen covering their ears in reaction to the loud explosions of ten TOW Missiles fired at the barricaded suspects. The troops also do not seem too concerned about hostile gunfire. The TOW Missile was developed in the 1970's as the U.S. Army's primary anti-Tank weapon... it can knock out any armored vehicle and can penetrate 30 inches of heavy Tank armor. The firing of ten of these missiles at four individuals (one of which was a teenager), not to mention the thousands of rounds of M-16 rifle and heavy machine gun fire that occupation troops poured into the building... indicates that no one was interested in capturing Uday and Qusay alive and bringing them before a war crimes tribunal (for more info on the TOW Missile:
www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/tow.htm )

Recall that in the 1989 U.S. invasion of Panama, U.S. troops cornered Panamanian leader Manuel Noriega at the Vatican Embassy. While it would have been difficult for the U.S. to mount an attack on the Vatican... the point is, U.S. forces kept the building surrounded and Noriega was eventually captured without a shot. In Moscow October 25th, 2002, heavily armed Chechen guerillas took 700 theatre-goers hostage. The Russian Special Forces responded by mounting an attack that used a mystery gas to knock out the guerillas as well as their hostages. While the result was a disaster (over 100 hostages died from the gas)... do you really believe that the RUSSIAN Special Forces could attempt a rescue using non-lethal weapons but the U.S. Special Forces could not utilize non-lethal weapons in their attempt to capture Uday and Qusay, who are only number 2 & 3 on the U.S. Military's "most wanted" list. Someone obviously made the decision NOT to bring Saddam's Sons to trial.

Special Forces and CIA personnel were involved as the main assault force in the attack on Uday and Qusay. It is ironic that this same unit was formed of soldiers from the DISBANDED U.S. military group in charge of the search for weapons of mass destruction.

While the Bush administration and the corporate media crowed about the killing of Saddam's Sons... and implied that the assasinations would "blunt" the increasing attacks on U.S. Soldiers... those attacks are only increasing. Thursday morning saw the deaths of three American G.I.s.

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Three American Soldiers Killed in Iraq
Thursday, July 24, 2003
Associated Press

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Three American soldiers were killed Thursday when they came under attack from gunfire and rocket-propelled grenades in northern Iraq, a military spokeswoman said.

The soldiers were from the 101st Airborne Division. It wasn't known exactly where attack took place or if any soldiers were wounded, said Spc. Nicole Thompson, spokeswoman for V Corps in Baghdad. Reports were still coming in from the field, she added. The 101st participated in Tuesday's raid a house in Mosul where Saddam's sons Uday and Qusay were killed, along with a teenager believed to be Qusay's son, and a bodyguard.

U.S. forces were concerned that the deaths of the brothers would motivate insurgents in Iraq and lead to more attacks. The deaths brought to 158 the number of American servicemen killed in action since the war began March 20, surpassing by 11 the death toll in the 1991 Gulf War.

The killing of Hussein's sons was an act of cold-blooded murder. The last place the US would ever want to see them was at a war crimes trial, where they could testify about US aid during the Iraq-Iran War, about US encouragement or pressure to launch the war in the first place and use weapons of mass destruction, and about how the US suckered their father into invading Kuwait by allowing the Kuwaitis to do slant drilling into Iraqi territory and then telling Hussein that the US would not interfere if he invaded in retaliation.
The people who should be appearing at a war crimes trial are both of the Bushies, Clinton, Rice, Cheney, Rumsfeld, the commander on the spot who ordered the murder of Hussein's sons, Blair, and a large number of their flunkies.

Yes, but who will ever bring them to trial? Only those on the "losing" side are ever accused of war crimes, and this is usually in retaliation from the "winning" side.

War crimes charges against Bush I only amounted to a slap on the wrist. Under Bush II, assassination, torture, and illegal "detentions" are the norm. Remember how the US military targeted and bombed a vehicle in which Al Quaeda leaders were supposedly traveling? The "War of Terror" IS terror: it is the use of assassination, illegal invasion, ocupation, and a total refusal to acknowledge culpability. Be afraid.

They deserved what they got.

And who appointed you to decide who should be murdered because they "deserve" it? You sound like the kind of person that Federal anti-lynching legislation was passed to deter. A lot of guys like you got tried at Nuremburg. Some couldn't believe they were being tried for murdering communists.

the excuse "I didn't know" and claiming ignorance and denial of things such as mass graves and genocide just didn't work there either.

There's a big difference between murding communists and murdering murderers.

"And who appointed you to decide who should be murdered because they "deserve" it?"

No one.

Actually, I appointed my Congressmen, who appointed GWB who decided who should be murdered because they deserved it.

He's doing a great job too.

Sorry Capitalist, but no one gave you, Bushy Tail, or your Congressman (who is he, a Bircher?) the authority to murder anyone. As for Lynch (what an appropriate name) no one got tried at Nuremburg for being what I am - an anti-fascist. Too bad the same cannot be said of you.

Specifically, article 1 section 8. And when you're done with that, read the War Powers Act.

"no one gave you, Bushy Tail, or your Congressman (who is he, a Bircher?) the authority to murder anyone."

No, not murder. That was your word, not mine.

Section 8. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;


To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;


To provide and maintain a navy;


To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;


To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;


To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.

Oh, BTW Germany was Socialist. Nazis. Italy was Fascist. And I don't think anyone at Nuremburg got tried for being Fascist.

They got tried for committing or conspiring to commit horrendous acts of genocide.

See there's nothing wrong with being a Fascist, but there is something wrong with being party to genocide.

Hypothetically, I could walk up to the steps of the White House right now and boisterously admit that I am a Fascist. But I wonder what would happen if you walked out on the street right now and shouted that Saddam Husseins sons were murdered. How do you suppose that would go over? Why don't you try it?

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/nuremberg/meetthedefendants.html

My, Capitalist, what a degree of ignorance you have displayed. We were indeed discussing murder - the cold-blooded murder of Hussein's sons. Nowhere in the Constitution is that condoned.
Only fascists directly or indirectly guilty of murder were convicted. Nazism is a variety of fascism; that is why Hitler was financed by wealthy industrialists and landowners. By "National Socialism" this clown meant the abolition of class conflict, the acceptance by the workers of private ownership of the means of production and distribution, and the mobilization of the entire population (capitalists, workers and other groups) against internal "enemies" (Jews, Marxists, Gypsies, the handicapped, and so forth) and foreign enemies ( Poland and the Soviet Union in particular). Substitute Afghanistan and Iraq for Poland and the USSR and you have something closely resembling Bushy Tail's foreign policy.

....in the eyes of the military if the other guy is shooting at you. Four soldiers were wounded, 2 seriously, by gunfire coming from the occupied house. Cold blooded murder is just a tad dramatic in this situation. Don't shed too many tears for the documented rapist and murderers or else you'll run out. It wouldn't be the same around here without you crying and moaning about something ridiculous.

Perhaps you should then take your dictionary and look up the word "murder". Within it's definition, you will find the word "unlawful" somewhere. If you don't know what the word "unlawful" means, you should then look it up. Then you should attempt to comprehend the the correlation between "lawful" and "the Constittution". I realize this is a bit deep for an invalid such as yourself, but by all means, give it a shot.

"By "National Socialism" this clown meant the abolition of class conflict, the acceptance by the workers of private ownership of the means of production and distribution, and the mobilization of the entire population (capitalists, workers and other groups) against internal "enemies"

Hey, that sounds just like Marxisms to me (just recently re-read throught the Communist Manifesto).

That is called lynching, Jeff. No one has been "documented" as committing any crime unless they are tried in court. Who "documented" this stuff - the same pr types who dreamed up the Niger/uranium story? I guess you did not take a very good look at the photo and the caption below it; those troops standing in the open firing TOW missles don't seem too terrified of Hussein's sons to me. By the way, that excuse about everyone on the enemy side seeming to be shooting at you is the same one given by war criminals over the centuries, including Lieut. Calley in Vietnam and various SS mass murderers in the Soviet Union.

Hey what's wrong with killing Marxists, them pinky bastards killed way more people than fascists ever did. Just blame those small minded "leftists" who were willing to let Hitler and Stalin "join their cause", like Ramsay Clark today.

"Even the smartest intellectual can be silenced with the club"
-Mussolini

I smacked Meyer so hard he's seeing stars. Just look at his punch-drunk ramblings.

Capitalist, my dear fellow, I'll make this so simple that even you can understand it. Killing Hussein's sons when they obviously were surrounded and could have been take prisoner (after Bushy Tail officially declared the war "over") is a violation of US law, international law, and the rules of war. It is my opinion that they were killed on direct orders from the US Government so that they would never have an opportunity to divulge certain secrets at a trial.

Those killers had every chance in the world to surrender. I doubt very seriously they'd have chosen to be taken alive. If you honestly believe that, you are a simpleton.

You protest because it is in keeping with your personna. Any anti-American blather you can concoct to spew forth is normal for you.

Any proof to back up this accusation?

No? None?

I didn't think so.

"a violation of US law, international law, and the rules of war"

Please cite the specific aforementioned US law, International law, and rule of war that was violated.

Let's see it smart guy. Make your case.

........believe the brothers are humanitarians, possibly the next coming of mother teresa. All that does not matter when four soldiers were shot while trying to enter the house. They tried to kill u.s. troops and you're still gonna call it murder. As for the "documentation" it doesn't need to come from a court proceeding as you suggest. Thousands of witness accounts are good enough for me.

Well, Capitalist, what can one say to someone who openly declares on this site that "there's nothing wrong with being a Fascist."

Stated like the true lynch mob member that you are. Are you one of those fellows who shows up on the Jerry Springer Show - covered with a sheet?

What exactly IS wrong with being a fascist?

I've seen you declare openly that you, yourself are a socialist.

Marxism, Socialism, Communism and Fascism are not all that different.

Bush only "officially" declared an end to major combat operations all the rest is politics.

Likewise many Iraq "soldiers" were not wearing uniforms therefor, forfeiting their POW right status. You got to love international law, absolutely spineless, so easy to get around. Maybe your kind should focus more on improving international law, although the world court is a good start. We must give real powers outside the first world, than maybe a Yank democrate will sign on.

Meyer - Someone has been posting under your name in this thread. They're obviously trying to make you look even dumber than you actually are (as if that were possible).

there you go bud. just lable me a jerry springer guest and you win. If your really interested there has been dozens of independant documenteries on the hussein family and their accomplishments. Or perhaps the thousands of news stories posted all over the web. Of course their all categorically forgeries in your world. But so is everything that doesn't line up with your opinions. Maybe you should ask the iraqi quoted as saying "i am upset at the murder" because he didn't get a chance to torture odai to death. His opinion carries a little more weight than yours you fuckin whiny dickhead.

Bush Admirer, that is one problem you will never have to worry about.

"Well, Capitalist, what can one say to someone who openly declares on this site that "there's nothing wrong with being a Fascist."

Fascism, like any "ism", is simply an economy. There's pros and cons to all of them.

"Witness accounts "good enough for me"
by Meyer London • Thursday July 24, 2003 02:32 PM
Stated like the true lynch mob member that you are."

So, if you're called to be a juror, and witnesses come forward and tell what they saw, are we to suppose that they are immediately dismissed by you?

Wake up Meyer. Though I know it's extremely difficult for you please try extra hard to distinguish the good guys from the bad guys.

Here's a cheat sheet for you:

Good Guys: John Ashcroft, Donald Rumsfeld, George W. Bush, Condoleeza Rice, US Military. Tony Blair. Fox News.

Bad Guys: Saddam Hussein, his family, and his supporters. The Democrats. Al Jazeera and their sister station Pacifica Radio.

Assasinating people they don't like and overthrowing governments is nothing new for the US secret government lead by the NSA and the CIA. They did, however they did used to be covert about, but now they don't even care about covering it up. And Isreal did not invent this policy against the Palastinians.
The snuff pictures however are definatley a new twist. Add necraphilia to the list of Bush and Rumsfeld preversions.

"You protest because it is in keeping with your personna. Any anti-American blather you can concoct to spew forth is normal for you."

Truer words were never spoken.

Well said Capitalist

I know it's a sad week for you dictatorphiles. You're probably all cried out by now. But don't fret. There are other dictators left for you to fawn over. You should really love this one -- he literally starves his own people. See, that's not so bad. Turn that frown upside down.

that I viewed....
The reporter went to great lengths to say how evil
"Uday" was....
They said he would capture women and rape them and hold them hostage...
They said "Uday" would brand his women with a flaming branding iron with a "U" symbol..
for his name "Uday"
Theres only one problem though.....
Why would an Iraqi man that speaks Arabic
brand a woman with an ENGLISH symbol?
seems a little weird....

watches the Fox News Channel too. No wonder their ratings are through the roof.

I don't blame you utterfailure. Reading and listening to all that anti-American crap would certainly get old after a while. FNC is the only source for fair and bablanced news.

I would just like to add that in my world, grass is flourescent pink.

I don't know who this "Warren" is, but take your OWN advice and "piss off!!!"

Who's "we?" The voices in your head? Please check yourself in to the nearest psychiatric hospital.

The number of right-wing sickos posting here to the effect that there is nothing particularly wrong with fascism or that murdering the sons of a foreign head of government or that lynching is perfectly ok as long as the victims' guilt has been "documented" to the satisfaction of the lynchers (which was probably the case in every lynching ever carried out in Alabama as well as in the lynching of Hussein's sons) is proof that cutbacks in mental health services are a tragic mistake. These people need help - badly.

Stop using our name.

Right Warren.

I would just like to add that the "we" in my previous post refers to the many voices in my head. I'm cuckoo for cocoa puffs!!!!!

Stop using mine, too - I haven't gotten a role in a really good movie since the 1970's, and this isn't going to help.

......you continue to avoid the fact that four soldiers were shot approaching the house. the occupants initiated the violence by attempting to murder u.s. troops. hence it is not a lynching rather a response in kind. and just go ahead and say that the plethora of "documentation" concerning the brothers antics(particularly uday) is all propaganda despite the variety of sources. you talk about ignorance and yet you define it with your concept of this situation. you are a whiny crybaby, it just pours through in your snide little post.

What proof is there that four of the US gunmen were wounded while "approaching the house"?

What proof is there of war in Iraq? It might have been staged on the back lot of some Hollywood studio.

Presumably, you have looked at the photo. Why are the troops standing out in the open, firing a TOW missle, if four of them have just been wounded while "approaching the house?" How stupid do you think they are? Or are the stupid ones actually the people who believe that story?

it was a six hour standoff. It all didn't happen in the blink of an eye. The brothers offensive capabilites were hampered when the might of the 101st rolled up. this explains the troops positions. However it does not remove the fact that soldiers who initially entered the house were indeed fired on from a reinforced second floor wounding four of them. This now makes it a combat situation not a lynching. understand. need proof here's a link http://dir.yahoo.com/News_and_Media/Newspapers/
you can spend all day reading about the event from dozens of different sources.(i'm sure it's all lies though) have fun.
p.s. i heard that uday was sawing off the heads of newborn babies and those tags on mattresses the whole time he was under siege. what? don't believe it?
PROVE IT DIDN'T HAPPEN THEN, COME ON, PROVE IT.

I cannot prove that the brothers did not have space aliens inside the house with them, either. Which would be an equally believable story.

How did the brothers fire on soldiers who had already entered the first floor from a reinforced "bunker" on the second floor? And why were they not shooting at troops about to fire a missle at them? If they were out of ammunition, then why was it necessary to fire a TOW rocket at them? Unless it was to make sure that they never had a chance to talk to the press or to a courtroom? Dead men tell no tales - about gifts of chemical weapons or anything else.

Bottom line is I believe nothing but those things which are negative towards the Bush administration or our military. Stories along those lines I'll swallow with question.

the second floor was shielded with bulletproof glass. so the occupants can fire at their targets as they enter the house while being protected from outside fire by the outer wall of the house. It's a defensive concept straight from feudal castles. they could not shoot the TOW missile operaters as the outer walls stop bullets both ways. they were given multiple chances to surrender(even after wounding U.s. soldiers. but they declined. so once again the only thing common between a lynching and their deaths was that people died.
all this information is right at your fingertips. literally hundreds of stories. probably even ones written by sources you don't consider propaganda machines.

Right here in LA robbers have been able to shoot through the windows of armoured trucks with AK-47s and similar weapons. But these fiendish Iraqis were shielded by bullet-proof glass. Must have been great glass. You believe that story? How about the newest revelations that the faces of the bodies were "reconstructed" before photos were taken. Interesting. And how did the bodies have so many bullet holes in them if the defenders of the house were so well "shielded."

As well as a host of other issues. See the Counterpunch website - www.counterpunch.org.

has it occurred to you that there is more than one type of bullet -proof glass. That there maybe literally 50 different types that have varying capabilities. Perhaps the glass they used in the house was not ripped out of an armored car hence able to resist more than ak-47 rounds. It however was not TOW missile proof glass which can explain the numerous wounds. Do i really have to walk you through all this? they took pictures within hours after they were dead. maybe you saw them somewhere on the web. Like almost every fucking web-page out their. The only reconstruction at that point was by bullets. move on to your next bitch and moan session. whahhhhhhhh. i know everything that has ever happened whaaaaaaaahhhh. why won't anyone listen to me. whahhhhh. have a nice weekend you whiny annoying shit.

So a TOW missle is responsible for numerous bullet wounds? And how about the 14 year-old boy who died? Another person who deserved lynch law justice, eh? And what proof is there that anyone in that house had anything to do with weapons of mass destruction, the ostensible reason for the US violence in the first place,especially in view of the fact that said weapons of mass destruction have not been found?

this goes to show you, always have a back door to get out.

at all if they knew nothing of WMD because they fired at and hit u.s. troops. don't try to blow the argument up with that weak shit. The wounds were inflicted after their defenses were rendered useless. basically they blew a big frigging hole in the house and anything that moved got a bullet. The boy and his companions had multiple oppurtunities to surrender. His undoubtably loving father signed his sons death warrant by not surrendering him. It was a 6 hour engagement alot of shit happened and I'm done explaining it to your dumb ass. You are more concerned with the hussein scum than u.s. troops being killed. patiently awaiting your whaaaaaaaaaahhhhahhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaahwwwwahhahh routine.

This is a fuckin' war. These guys decided to hold the fort and fire on our soldiers. So...they died.

Would you prefer they fought their way out and killed some of our guys Meyer?

Clkearly, surrender was never an option. And as far as the 14 yr old goes. If he was firing his death is his own responsibility. If not, then his blood is obviously on the hands of those who kept him inside while they foolishly fought.

His blood is on the hands of Bush and his supporters, like you two fascists.

Are you a lefty? loosing an argument? every point you try to make refuted? thats o.k. just breakoute old fascism card. meyer your constant crying is tiresome. wanna throw around labels? o.k. here we go. you are a fucking nancy-boy. cry me a river for a reknowned rapist/murderer, but when a soldier is killed not a peep out of you. If anyone is a fascist it is most certainly you. As soon as someone shows they don't think what you think is right you start labeling them fascist. you like to divide people into little groups. truly fascist behavior, you how they hated oppostion groups. your a malcontent douchbag and always will be.
whaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa..why doesn't everyone think like me whaaahaaaaaaa..it would pe such a perfect world whhhaahahahaaaa everyone would be a soft pussy wahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa then i could finally find some true friends whhaaaaaaaaaawwhhwhh

It's great news that those two scumbags were shot to death by heroic American soldiers.

The liberate of Iraq is proceeding at a nice pace. More and more Iraqi citizens are beginning to see the light and to realize that the American & British presence is the best thing that's ever happened for them and their country.

I have not lost any argument; I merely stated that you are in favor of lynching, and you have provided plenty of proof that you are. The last hysterical posting you put on this board further proves the point. You have a lynch mob mentality and you are a fascist as well. You think that someone who has never been convicted of rape or anything else in a court of law can be murdered by soldiers. You think that a military force that supposedly invaded Iraq in the first place because there were "weapons of mass destruction" there can use lethal force against people who have not been convicted of anything. You are willing to follow Bush (Hitler without any brains) wherever he wants to go. You pretend sympathy for wounded US soldiers that you wanted sent over there in the first place and now want to keep there. You are indeed a fascist swine, not essentially different from the low lifes who followed Hitler and Mussolini.

Meyer - You seem to be under the mistaken impression that the rules of war should be subordinate to the rules of our criminal justice system.

They're not the same thing.

The last thing we need is a bunch of lawyers interfering with military protocol. I have considerably more confidence in our military than I do in our criminal justice system.

The bottom line is that criminal justice system procedures are inapplicable in a war. If you see a sniper pointing a gun at you, you shoot him, you don't file charges.

Meyer is obviously fucking with us. NO ONE could actually be so stupid as to believe the nonsense he is spouting.

Bottom line.

We are at war.

People shot at our soldiers.

We shot back.

They died.

This isn't a trial. No need for conviction. They shot at our guys. Fuck em.

Anyone who does that, especially during a war for God's sake, can expect to be annihilated, as well they should be. I doubt that even Uday or Qusay would argue with that. I mean, if they didn't have multiple lethal gunshot wounds.

It's great that they were shot and killed.

I think people like Meyer would prefer to see monsters like them shipped up to the Hague and tried by the ultra-liberal world court where they'd probably be acquitted because those liberal justices dislike the USA and have their heads buried in sand just like Meyer.

"His blood is on the hands of Bush and his supporters, like you two fascists."

Fine

And the blood of their millions of victims is on your hands and all you’re stuck up Euro snob friends "don't worry about the suffering of the inferiors" type.

How long can you ignoring the suffering of the third world?

It is your kind that the true racists, Inventing separate races, so you can scream "racism" all the time. WE ARE ALL ONE RACE. The suffering of humans in Iraq should be as important as human suffering in the first world. Don't blame UN sanctions from more than doubling the child mortality rate in Shiite’s areas, while having little effect in other area's of Iraq.

"I think people like Meyer would prefer to see monsters like them shipped up to the Hague and tried"

People like Meyer wouldn't want the Hussein Bros captured OR killed. People like Meyer want the old regime to hang over Iraqis so that as many Iraqis as possible will resist the US. People like Meyer hate the US and want to see the US humiliated. People like Meyer celebrate every time an American soldier is killed.

How can he possibly be bleating about poor lil' Uday and Qusay?

Meyer, you're sick. SICK!

meyer you did lose the argument. do you remember what the argument was? it wasn't about WMD. It wasn't about Bush. it wasn't about my opinions of the war. it was about what happened to the hussein brothers being called a lynching. yet when things got hot you went ahead and assumed all my political beliefs and personal beliefs for me. thanks. not once have i mentioned my thoughts about anything that you mentioned in your last post. you haven't a clue about anything i believe accept the fact that the hussein brothers were killed in combat situation not a lynching. When people are killed after shooting four people and creating an armed stand-off situation(given multiple oppurtunities to surrender) it is clearly not a lynching. that simple. you are wrong. A lynching would be if they shot them all while they were in custody and not an immediate danger. as for my sympathies i assure you they are very real. I've served in the armed forces and currently have friends and family in service as well. now wipe your tears for the husseins off the keyboard and be a man for once in your life and admit you were wrong.

It takes several of these parrots to pat each other on the back while you destroy the sick and blind rants they respond with.
As you can see, as I certainly can, they have nothing. Even with all their
mutual support, they get their clock cleaned, their dicks gets knocked into the dirt.

I"d been out of town for a day and didn't realize that these pathetic Mussolini wanabes were still at it, making the same points they had made several days ago - military assassinations are superior way of dealing with people Bush views as problems than letting them have a fair trial, no legal standards apply to Hussein's sons or the 14 year-old chile who was with them, all Bush needs is a claim that he has "documentary proof" (like he had for the wmds) of crimes in order to commit homicide, and the brothers actually had the nerve to defend themselves when US troops were trying to murder them. They are pathetic;
they seem like the kind of guys who used to read those he-man pulp magazines back in the 1950's .
There is a good piece in today's LA Times Book Review describing this penomenon. Actually, I don't think that all of them are parrots; at least some of them seem to be one person.

"military assassinations are superior way of dealing with people Bush views as problems than letting them have a fair trial, no legal standards apply to Hussein's sons or the 14 year-old chile who was with them,"

Of course this is the way to deal with the enemy during war. Why should members of Sadams family be treated differently then all the other Iraqis who made the inane choice to fight us?

In fact, history shows that fate happening to many leaders. After having lost in war, the conquering army would rountinely kill his whole household and relatives. There is nothing new under the sun.

the facts have to be constantly reiterated because you refuse to acknowledge that because they exist there was no murder or lynching. they have been stated in hundreds of reports from arab news all the way to pentagon releases and they all say the same thing. troops arrive at the house they call for the surrender of the occupants peacefully. they get no reply and enter the house. three soldiers are shot in brief firefight initiated by the barricaded occupants. occupants are now treated as hostile and dealt with accordingly. end of story. now unless you never knew the definition of lynching then you have been clearly proven wrong. the attempted murder of u.s. troops is all the sanction recquired to justify the reaction.

i wonder if any of these people got a trial?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-758394,00.html

looking forward to your response which i'm guessing will involve that i'm a fascist of some kind. you pathetic broken record

Jeff get it through your head when you kill someone durring a war you don't call it murder. We are illegally occuping a foreign country. If our troops get shot at durring a battle then it's not murder. That is the cruel reality of war, all bets are off and you kill or be killed. We wouldn't try one of our soldiers for murder for killing an Iraqie soldier.
And yes Udie and gang proabably did shoot back but to say that we could not have gassed them out is pretty stupid. Why don't you quit beliveing everthing you hear on fox news and open your mind up a little.
All they had to do is throw some tear gas in there and we would have taken them alive. Let me tell you they were killed for a reason, the same reason the bush administration is covering up the 9-11 scandal and holding back secret meetings and intellegence investgations.

""but to say that we could not have gassed them out is pretty stupid. ""

""All they had to do is throw some tear gas in there and we would have taken them alive""

""Let me tell you they were killed for a reason, the same reason the bush administration is covering up ""

Waco..... Couldn't gas them out either. Were the Branch Davidians killed for a reason???

ball is in your court.........

however i've never gotten my news from any fox outlet. I stand by the information concerning how these events unfolded. It comes from a diverse range of sources. As for your theory how can you be so sure of your information and skeptical of mine. Your sources(i don't know what they are) probably would be viewed as suspicious as fox news if you were to relay them. Your talking about a story of the century maybe even more and yet i've never heard mention of it anywhere reputable. I don't doubt the power of a presidential administration to cover up a conspiracy but what you suggest would make JFK look like a childrens story. the scope and range of it are unprecedented. I find it hard to believe that it could even be done unless bush is unveiled as the most sinister mind to ever inhabit the earth. Are you the first person around here willing to say that bush is a genious, albeit an evil one?

well hey - i just wanna see the frigging pictures - where are they?

The US government was found to be lying AGAIN when Uday was spotted over the weekend in Baghdad.
Top forensic scientists have shown the photos to be fake.
Note the angles on the photos show different angles on the persons, so you cannot make an identifiable reconstruction.

It is easy to find a picture of Jeff, Bush Admirer, Fresca, and the rest of the boys - or their moral equivalents. Just check through any good history of Nazi Germany and you are sure to find a photo of Hitler, Goering, Goebbels, Himmler and the rest of that crowd.

The history of the world started in 1930's Germany.

hitler hitler fascist goebbels fascist himmler. don't agree with me? well your a fascist. goering hitler fascist nazie reich. I don't know anything about your politics or beliefs but your still a fascist.hitler himmler fascist..................on and on and on........................meyer have your brain checked i believe it may be scratched because you're going on like a broken record. in the future when you can't prove your point just accept it and leave, why stick around and be abused?

p.s. if you can post without including something about fascism in your reply i will be very impressed.

They tried to storm Waco with ATF commandoes and got shot up, then when back with their tail between their legs. After the standoff they just decided to torch the place and set 500 people on fire. I don't belive Uday and Cusay were as well armed or had as many soldiers as the branch dividains did. Comparing this situation to Waco is pretty lame. Besides the fact that they were killed with deadly force right away. I mean come on Toe missles, give me a break, thats like shooting a mouse with a Bazooka.
I'll gaurantee you when they corner Sadam they will not take him alive. The last thing this administration want's is Sadam testifing on a human rights war tribunal. He's got so much
dirty laundry on them from Gulf War one and Two. Its funny you hear all this crap about links to Al Qudia but the biggest threat to homleand security is BUshes links to AL Quida. Thats why those Pages in the commision report on the investigation are blacked out, BUsh definatley thwarted attempts to investigate saudi backed terrorist activities. Its the Oil stupid!

Sorry Jeff, but you have shown clearly in your rants that you are a lynch mob enthusiast, a militarist, and a full-blooded fascist. If the shoe fits, wear it - that's what I always say. Meanwhile, you can express your enthusiasm for war by watching the dead bodies, including increasing numbers of Americans, on television. I bet you are really sorry that you are not in one of those humvees, riding around while people shoot at you.

Meyer, your posts seem to indicate some deep-seeded resentment and bitter ill-will towards the American government. You must have personally experienced some atrocity at the hands of that fascist government. Can you tell me about it? I think more readers here would be empathetic if they knew your story.

Peace.

why waste the time? you might have had a point about being a lynch mob enthusiast if only i hadn't so thouroughly thrashed you proving the opposite. everything else in your post is pure speculation as i have never communicated my beliefs here. yet because i disagree with your uninformed opinion on one thing i am now hitler. you really are laughable. you're a one-trick pony and your trick sucks. did you call your mom a nazi when she made you eat your veggies as a kid?

No, there was no reason to do that. On the other hand, there is plenty of reason to view you as a Nazi - your hysterical postings, love of violence, 7th grade locker room macho he-man boasting, willingness to sacrifice the lives of teenage US service people and countless Iraqis in order to attain Bush's megalomanic "foreign policy" objectives, and inability to get over the follow the leader and kill the natives bs pounded into you in the military. You might have been happier if you stayed there, licking the boots of those who outranked you and abusing those whom you outranked (assuming there were such people).

you're a glutton. Ready to be shown your wrong yet again? Go through this thread and prove anything in your last post. can't can you? this is becoming a regularity. try not to be such a sore loser this time.

Whenever I masturbate I always end up fantasising about my sister. I can't help it she's the only woman I ever knew relly well.

Does this make me bad?

Well, Jeffy boy, it is not necessary to prove to civilized people that murdering a foreign rulers sons is wrong, that killing thousands of women, children and drafted young men in a war whose bogus purpose was to remove non-existent "weapons of mass destruction", that infantile high school bully machismo is pathetic in a grown man, that Bush is doing his best to undermine the Bill of Rights, or that the people supporting you on this board seem to have serious emotional problems. The problem is that you are not in the ranks of civilized people.

"The problem is that you are not in the ranks of civilized people."

Like most of your ilk, you have your own definitions of things that have nothing to do with reality. Run along now.

"Well, Jeffy boy, it is not necessary to prove to civilized people that murdering a foreign rulers sons is wrong, that killing thousands of women, children and drafted young men in a war whose bogus purpose was to remove non-existent "weapons of mass destruction",

You are absolutely right. Hopefully that scenario will never occur.

The Iraq War gives us a good example of a war which is the flipside of this. Wholly justified and with remarkably few casualties.

Should Meyer's hypothetical evr occur (in the real world mind you..not the savage current dark ages of the arab world where these sorts of atrocities happen daily)

Don't let anyone ever tell you that you are not right up front with your racism and xenophobia, Fresca. As for the casualties, why don't you show up at one of those meetings of angry and distraught military spouses demanding the return of their loved ones and tell them how remarkably light the casualties are. You are right that there are savages involved in this war, though; Bush is one of them, and there are an awful lot of others - Cheney, Blair, Rumsfeld, etc. Probably too many to be tried in the same courtroom when the time comes.

well bitch,,,where are they?

this from the sniveler who said the volumes of info. concerning the evil histories of the hussein bros is not proof enough for him. now you require no proof at all to portray me how you like? you would be called a fucking hypocrite. you recquire all the proof in the world when it suits you and none when it doesn't. that is a tad inconsistent hypocrite. and if i am a bully you clearly have been mentally outplayed by a bully. bullies are notoriously unintelligent so where does this leave you?

YOU SOUND LIKE A WHINING LITTLE BITCH.
Cant you get your facts straight?
didnt think so.

Another stereotype. Hitler and Mussolini were quite intelligent; Mussolini had a Ph.D. I must admit that you seem to fit the stereotype, though.

you never answered meyer
jeff 2
meyer 0

being outclassed by someone you deem unintelligent. where does this leave you?

Given the amount of time apologists and appeasers such as Meyer, gave to Sadam before we, quite properly, went in, the WMD are wherever he hid them or wherever those who he shared them with hid them.

What part is confusing?

You all helped them disappear.

i'm a total gay wad with anal warts.

Now that Uday & Qusay have been eliminated, a lot of the lesser-known family members are coming to the attention of American authorities.


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> Sooflay ............the restauranteur
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> Guday...............the half-Australian brother
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> Huray...............the sports fanatic
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> Sashay..............the gay brother
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> Kuntay & Kintay.....the twins from the African mother
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> Sayhay..............the baseball player
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> Ojay................the stalker/murderer
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> Gulay...............the singer/entertainer
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> Ebay................the internet czar
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> Biliray.............the country music star
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> Ecksray.............the radiologist
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> Puray...............the blender factory owner
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> Regay...............the half-Jamaican brother
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> Tupay...............the one with bad hair
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> Pusay...............the 'loose' 22 yr old
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> Lattay..............the coffee shop owner
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> Bufay...............the 300 pound sister
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> Dushay..............the clean sister
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> Phayray.............the zoo worker in the gorilla house
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> Sapheway............the grocery store owner
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> Ollay...............the half-mexican sister
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> Gudlay..............the prostitute
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