212 US soldiers killed in Iraq since war began: Pentagon
July 11 2003



A total of 212 US soldiers have been killed in Iraq, including 143 who died in combat since the outset of the war, the Defence Department said yesterday.

The total includes 74 soldiers who have died since May 1, when US President George W. Bush declared the end of major hostilities in Iraq, Lieutenant-Colonel Cynthia Colin said.

Since May 1, 29 soldiers have been killed in combat, and 45 others died in non-hostile situations, she said.

During the first Gulf War, 147 soldiers died in combat and 235 were killed in non-hostile situations.

The Pentagon did not say how many of the dead were victims of "friendly fire" incidents.

U.S. Troops Could Be in Iraq in 4 Years

By BARRY SCHWEID/Associated Press Reporter

July 10, 2003, 12:20 PM EDT


WASHINGTON -- American troops may still be in Iraq four years from now, Gen. Tommy Franks told Congress on Thursday.

The wartime commander told the House Armed Services Committee: "I anticipate we'll be involved in Iraq in the future. Whether that means two years or four years, I don't know."

There are nearly 150,000 U.S. troops in Iraq, some of them under fire from anti-U.S. forces. "We need to not develop an expectation that all of these difficulties will go away in one month or two months or three months," Franks testified.

The general said the troop strength would be held at the current level at least through the end of the year.

Pleading for patience, President Bush said the United States would "have to remain tough" in Iraq despite attacks on U.S. soldiers that killed at least two more Americans on Thursday.

Bush spoke in Gaborone, Botswana, amid a debate at home about erroneous evidence that the administration cited as part of its justification for the invasion of Iraq. A group of arms control experts accused the administration of misrepresenting intelligence information to justify the war.

Daryl G. Kimball, executive director of the private Arms Control Association, was one of several experts challenging the administration.

"We, along with an increasing number of others, believe that the administration made its case for going to war by misrepresenting intelligence findings as well as citing discredited intelligence information," Kimball said Wednesday.

And on Capitol Hill, Rep. Ike Skelton, D-Mo., the senior Democrat on the House Armed Services Committee, said he had a fear "we may find ourselves in the throes of guerrilla warfare for years."

"We cannot leave Iraq," Skelton said at a committee hearing with retired Gen. Tommy Franks, the U.S. commander in the war. "This must be a success."

Another committee member, Rep. Ellen Tauscher, D-Calif., said CIA Director George Tenet should be called to testify in public.

She said the committee owed it to the U.S. troops in Iraq "to evaluate whether the intelligence used to send them into harm's way ... was sound."

Bush, responding to concern about the rising casualty toll, said, "There's no question we have a security issue in Iraq, and we've just got to deal with it person to person. We're going to have to remain tough."

More than 70 American soldiers have died since Bush declared major combat over May 1. "It's going take more than 90 to 100 days for people to recognize the great joys of freedom and the responsibilities that come with freedom," he said. "It's very important for us to stay the course, and we will stay the course."

Franks testified, meanwhile, that besides the 19 countries with forces in Iraq, another 19 were preparing to send troops and 11 were discussing it.

Wednesday, at a news conference in South Africa, Bush said he was "absolutely confident" about going to war despite the discovery that allegations Saddam Hussein had sought uranium in Africa for a nuclear weapons program was based on fabricated information.

When the war began in March, Iraq posed no threat to the United States or to its neighbors, a former senior State Department intelligence official said Wednesday.

Its missiles could not reach Israel, Saudi Arabia or Iran, said Greg Thielmann, who held a high post in the Bureau of Intelligence and Research.

But Thielmann, one of four critics at a session held by the private Arms Control Association, said the Bush administration had formed a "faith-based" policy on Iraq and took the approach that "we know the answers; give us the intelligence to support those answers."

Thielmann said the administration had distorted intelligence to fit its policy purposes. He said Iraq had no active nuclear weapons program and that while Tenet told Congress Iraq had Scud missiles, the intelligence finding actually was that the missiles could not be accounted for.

Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said the administration decided to use military force because the information about the threat of Saddam's regime was seen with a different perspective after the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001.

"The coalition did not act in Iraq because we had discovered dramatic new evidence of Iraq's pursuit of weapons of mass murder," Rumsfeld told the Senate Armed Services Committee. "We acted because we saw the existing evidence in a new light through the prism of our experience on Sept. 11."

Under questioning from Sen. Robert Byrd, D-W.Va., Rumsfeld said he did not know how much the administration would propose to pay for operations in Iraq and Afghanistan for the new budget year that begins Oct. 1.

He said under the $62.4 billion midyear spending bill, the United States expects to spend an average $3.9 billion a month on Iraq from January through September this year. An average of $700 million a month is being spent in Afghanistan.

The Pentagon said Wednesday 1,044 American servicemen and women have been wounded in action or injured since the war in Iraq began March 20. Of that total, 382 have been wounded or injured since Bush declared major combat over, according to the Pentagon's figures. Of the 212 U.S. troops who have died in Iraq since the war began, 74 died after May 1, not including Thursday's toll.

Copyright © 2003, The Associated Press

212 / 3028 = 7%!

http://iskandar.com/waleed911/victimcount.html

How about this equation: 1 = 1

Know what that means? One for One. Go exchange yourself for one of the kids killed and then see if the kill ratio is worth it. I'm sure noone here would miss you, Eric. But I know you'll stay nice and safe in your cubey!

when comparing American casualties with the Iraqi gassed or burried? Or do we need to apply some fancy math or Le Chatlier's principle?

It means 1 is too many, fool. How much of YOUR blood can we spill for the Empire, Eric?

Le Chatlier's Principle:
When a reaction reaches equilibrium, it will stay that way until something disturbs it. When a reaction is disturbed, the system will try to minimize whatever change was made to restore equilibrium. The concept that reactions can adjust when perturbed is called Le Chatlier's principle, and it is a valuable theory that allows us to manipulate chemical equations in a desirable way.

1 what? American or Iraqi? I'm confused Brian.

...for a long time, Eric. Maybe if you pull your head out of your @$$ you might not be so confused. Or maybe you're just REALLY REALLY stoopid. Yeah, that must be it!

Now, are you going to answer the question? 1 what? Iraqi or American?

But you can answer mine if you have the guts:

How much of YOUR blood can we spill for the Empire, Eric?

Every last drop.

Now answer mine.

...regrettable. One exception: you.

I have bled for my country. I spent 11 long years serving her. I've served with men and women that love America and would die so you can sit there and type your little anti-American bullshit with your left wing anarcho-socialist parasitic worms you call friends. I don't give a fuck about your opinions. Got it? You and people like you, are a threat to me, my family, and the freedoms this nation enjoys. You take advantage and use freedom iresponsibly. You are a pissant. I've bled you lowly worm. I've got the scars to prove it.

Now if you want to tell me what YOU have ever done for this countries citizenry, for freedom, and in MY best interests, besides sit there behind the keys and bellyache, well, I'm all ears. Otherwise, shut the fuck up.

Bitch.

USC Title 18, Section 2331, (a new category) - "domestic terrorism" - has been created and means activities that:

"involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State; appear to be intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population, to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion, or to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping, and occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States."

Bush lied about Saddam's WMD capabilities (criminal fraud) to intimidate and coerce the public and congress to get his oil war in Iraq. Bush is, by definition of his own Patriot Act, a terrorist.

The dead volunteered.

I have bleed FROM my country, Eric. In the name of civil rights, both literally and figuratively. You know what else? I've saved three lives and attempted to save a fourth. The fourth guy was ejected from a Honda CRX that his buddy was flooring to get to the bar before Happy Hour ended. Neither one made it. They hit a tree at about 80 sideways. Broke the car in two. The driver was still in his seatbelt, purple and disfigured. The passenger drew his last breath as a telephone linesman did CPR and I took his pulse.

No one asked you to do me any favors. I feel no debt to those who would enforce empire on the world. As far as 'serving', you served your masters, not me.

You are not the only one with scars. Yet mine were obtained in 'Peacetime' and inflicted by brutal overlords on an unarmed, non-violent person. Much different than shooting at people and getting shot back, huh?

Are our words really that threatening to you? I would think someone who is military would support those of us who seek to bring the troops home. Am I wrong?

You did exactly what any of us should do for our neighbors when their lives are threatened and they are in need.

But that doesn't make you right.

I want to know how your country has made you bleed. There's your omission in that previous post. I suspect from your tone, you have bled from contributions or acts of "civil disobedience". Am I correct? That is exactly what I meant when I said that you and your ilk "use freedom irresponsibly".

As far as me doing YOU any favors, don't flatter yourself. What I did wasn't merely for you. And while you fail to appreciate what the men and women of the armed forces have suffered on your behalf, there are many, many more Americans that do.

Your words don't threaten me. They piss me off. And unfortunately, that's the effect you tyically desire. Because YOU are pissed off. Pissed off that your political aspirations have gone unrecognized for so many years. Misery loves company.

You can't tell me that your life here, growing up in America, was worse than a child growing up, say, in Iraq. You're a selfish, self-centered SOB if you think so. And it's long been overdue that America change things over there, in the Middle East theatre, and on the global platform.

I certainly do support the safe return of the troops home. Once the mission is complete. That mission being, liberation of Iraq, and the flower of freedom to take root on Iraqi soil.

I 've never been to Iraq, so it would be hard to give an analysis of what it would be like.
How do you measure happiness of a child?
Can I speak for all children of Iraq?
Are they better off than some kid living in an impoverished area of L.A.? Oakland? Detroit?
I wouldn't know.

See guys, i am threatened by your politics because of one word, FEAR. I am afraid of someone ruining my little sheltered life. I surround myself with guns and with fascist ideologies because i am afraid.

I am currently on medication for my alternate personality disorder (maybe youve noticed it).
I give one opinion as "daveman", then i'll come back later and give an opinion as "simple simon", then i'll come back as my favorite name "eric".
I like using eric because he thinks he is a navy seal and is a defender of freedom the world over.
he is just a scared little boy.
He is very brainwashed because he will not question the government of his fuhrer GW.
He suffers from a mental disorder and has mild hallucinations.
he is paranoid, and always looking for that "someone" who will destroy his way of life.

In reality, he is just hurt because he got injured at his job yesterday.
He is actually a mascot for a baseball team.
He is the "human sausage".

Celebraremos, levantando nuestro Kalashnikov, la muerte de cada soldado americano.

Viva la lucha de la resistencia iraquí!

hello, my name is eric and i just posted above.

If military people think they are the only ones that have shed blood for their country, then they are deluded, brainwashed, or insane, maybe all. looking at labor movements, civil rights movements, peoples struggles to get the freedoms we enjoy today, i think the military and police have been pretty opposed to these movements and have shed the blood of people (americans) trying to establish basic rights. To be honest with you, Im pretty unimpressed with your bloodshed. for you to say that Im abusing my freedom is absurd.

LA IMC has resorted to deleting and changing my comments.

HAR!

Thanks for the attention, I'm flattered!

could we have them make some kind of sense?

I want to know why Indymedia deleted my comments.

The Orwellian Left Dictionary:

"Open Publishing" : Any crap, no matter how ludicrous, crass, base, or profane will be allowed to be published and remain unchallenged as long as we, the ruling junta, agree with it. Any dissenting views will be eradicated.

Ah, freedom.

...it's not like you had anything to say other than your standard "cut and paste" PR/Propaganda release.

It could you feel unwanted.

Aw, shuckies.

.....I never repeat the same PR/Propaganda day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day ..............................

...I do try to stick by my principles. That's spelled P-R-I-N-C-I-P-L-E-S. Principles.

Not to be confused with apologists for mass murder whose principles are based upon what the "SPIN" OF THE DAY IS.

BUSH LIED AND PEOPLE DIED. That statement's truth remains unchanged.

Got a problem with it?

Get another President. An honest one.

As long as you continue to bring up the same PR/Propaganda day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day .................
then don't expect the answers to change.

Got a problem with it?

...any answers.

Irrational ranting doesn't count.

Slavish, unreasoned, sycophancy doesn't count.

What have you got left?

...if I'm not getting any blowjobs, I'll be damned if I'm going to let the pResident get any!

"The Orwellian Left Dictionary:"

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"Most of what you say is worthy only of ridicule and laugher."

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...the PR Shills response - Change the Topic, and Spam the Thread.

A clear demonstration of their honesty and integrity.

None.

"BUSH LIED AND PEOPLE DIED. That statement's truth remains unchanged. "

Perhaps and of course.
Although the former remains unrelated to the latter.

"Although the former remains unrelated to the latter."

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you are a fine example of removing the beam from your own eye.

"BUSH LIED AND PEOPLE DIED. That statement's truth remains unchanged. "

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"19 Arab savages"

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...frustrated. Aw shuckies.

frescairic
running out of Ammo
Going Psychotic
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TILT

Play Again?

What you do for a living, Dingo.

Care to share?

How did you find out that me and fresca are the same person?

"Diogenes"

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"Eric/fresca"

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