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Condoms Don’t Work
Epidemic of sexual diseases; media strangely silent

By Yvette C. Cantu and Heather E. Farish

January 5--The United States has the highest rate of sexual disease in the developed world, and a higher rate than some developing countries.

Human papillomavirus is the most common incurable sexual disease in the United States, with as many as 24 million Americans currently infected. Known as HPV, the virus has been linked to over 90 percent of all invasive cervical cancers, and it is the number two cause of cancer deaths among women, after breast cancer. Approximately 16,000 new cases of cervical cancer are diagnosed each year, and 5,000 women die annually from this disease.

Even if condoms are used consistently and properly (which occurs only between 5 and 40% of the time), they still are ineffective barriers against disease. Condoms, whether used correctly and consistently or not, do not prevent the spread of HPV.

However, federally-funded, sexual health organizations and the Centers for Disease Control continue to promote condoms as effective disease barriers.

prostitution legal or not it doesnt matter all that much .. prostitution laws are rarely enforced.
At least as far as I understand the industry if it is legalized it wont make much difference to how much it is used.
prices might drop a little but then again prices are higher mostly due to social stigma as opposed to legal issues.

besides that aids rates might effect condom usage more than condom use effects aids rates.

Still your statistics are interesting. I guess what should be available and quote good proof would be the amount of transmission between married couples (or possibly regular sex partners) who use protection and those who dont (whether they knew or not that they had the disease)

Dear Scottie,

The nearest thing to that is this large UK funded study: -



Sex And HIV: Behaviour-Change Trial Shows No Link
The East African (Nairobi)
March 17, 2003
Posted to the web March 19, 2003
By Paul Redfern, Special Correspondent
Nairobi

A UK funded trial aimed at reducing the spread of Aids in Uganda by
modifying sexual behaviour appears to have had little discernible
effect.

The trial, carried out on around 15,000 people in the Masaka region,
involved distributing condoms, treating around 12,000 victims of
sexually transmitted diseases and counselling.

However, while the trial led to a marked change in sexual behavioural
patterns, with the proportion reporting causal sexual partners falling
from around 35 per cent to 15 per cent, there was no noticeable fall
in the number of new cases of HIV infection, although there was a
significant reduction in sexually transmitted diseases such as
syphilis and gonorrhoea.

The trial results, which were reported in the British medical journal
The Lancet, have already aroused some controversy.

The team leader of the trial, Dr Anatoli Kamalai, acknowledged that
there was "no measurable reduction" in HIV incidence with "no hint of
even a small effect."

But the research team's view is that the spread of HIV was already
declining in the area and the trial might not have been big enough to
detect any additional change.

There is, however, another view which has recently been put forward
which claims that inadequately sterilised needles across Africa have
led to a greater rate of HIV infection than sexual contact.

It is a view put forward by a mainly American group of scientists,
including Dr David Gisselquist, who told the Times of London that
"Results from the Masaka study add to the already long list of
findings from other studies that don't fit the hypothesis that most
HIV in African adults is from sexual transmission.

"These results from Masaka are similar to results published earlier
from a similar study in Rakai, Uganda, where interventions that
reduced STD prevalence had no impact on HIV incidence." However, such
a view is by no means mainstream in the latest thinking on the spread
of HIV in Africa.

Most scientific research still believes that HIV is mainly spread by
sexual transmission and that people suffering from STDs are
particularly prone.

The trial was the first systematic attempt on a large scale to assess
whether modifying sexual behaviour and better management of other
sexual diseases could cut the transmission of HIV in Africa.

In a commentary in The Lancet, Judith Stephenson and Frances Cowan of
the Royal Free and University College Medical School in London
acknowledged that "many people will be disappointed by the lack of
reduction in HIV incidence, despite an apparently appropriate
intervention that reduced other STDs and was implemented on a huge
scale with great care and commitment."

The two researchers suggest that it might have been "the right trial
and the wrong time" - when HIV incidence was falling and when there
were already substantial reductions in risk behaviour.

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by AllAfrica Global Media (allAfrica.com).
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HERE ARE THE ORIGINAL FIGURES ADJUSTED FOR THE POPULATION'S OF THE RESPECTIVE COUNTRIES INVOLVED.

AIDS CASES (RATE PER THOUSAND POPULATION).

Sweden .047
Denmark .139
Holland .028
France .268

CONDOM USE (as percentage of population)
FRANCE 78%
DENMARK 39% (EXACTLY HALF OF FRANCE)

and yet the rate of French AIDS cases is 1.93 (nearly twice as high*) compared to Denmark. In other words half the condom use creates twice the AIDS (cases not death) rate.


When you adjust for the higher number of sex acts per year in Denmark (152 v. 143) shown in the Durex study (compared to France) the figure shows that DOUBLE THE CONDOM USAGE RESULTS IN (OVER) DOUBLE THE AIDS CASES. This is fairly consistent in ALL European countries and so cannot be dismissed as a anomaly.


Clearly it seems that 'Safe Sex' is natural sex after all.

...the safest sex of all (outside of abstinence, that is):

Long-term monogamous hetero sex.

And thank God for it.

In addition to God, what other fairy tales do you believe in? Santa Claus? The tooth fairy? The Easter bunny?

I don't believe in things. I require proof. AIDS is nothing more than a pseudo scietific puritan religion.


"If there is evidence that HIV causes AIDS, there should be either singly or collectively demonstrate that fact, at least with a high probability. There is no such document."
Dr. Kary Mullis, Biochemist, 1993 Nobel Prize for Chemistry.


"Up to today there is actually no single scientifically really convincing evidence for the existence of HIV. Not even once such a retrovirus has been isolated and purified by the
methods of classical virology."

Dr. Heinz Ludwig Sänger, Emeritus Professor of Molecular Biology and Virology, Max-Planck-Institutes for Biochemy, München.

I used to believe the myth that all people who posted on the Internet were intelligent and thoughtful.

Sadly enough, you have dispelled that myth.

...and you prove I was clearly right. How can anyone with a grain of sense think childish insults prove a point. Pathetic, pathetic, pathetic....and did I say pathetic?

Best wishes,

Paul

I was doing a report on the behavior of mammals when I came across this photograph of Daveman. If you look closely you'll notice that hes actually scared and confused and very likely to attack another. Did you know that 9 out of 10 military men have had a broomstick encounter at sometime on their base?

I didn't expect him to be so cute. The brain size, however, fits with what one would expect from his posts.

I will never understand what people think being rude on message boards achieves. Does he think it proves him right? Does he think it a stronger case that real information and statistics? What the Hell does he think. Does he think at all?

Who knows.

Thanks for the portrait.

Very best wishes,


Paul

It's interesting...I get slammed for my beliefs, and I'm the one causing trouble.

You people have serious problems.

Nevertheless, I will keep coming back. I'm not here to change anyone's mind. I'm here to have a few chuckles. You folks are quite entertaining.

When I first came to la-imc, I tried serious debate, and was immediately attacked as a "paid shill" and "Brown Shirt", proving NO ONE here is interested in debate...you just want immediate, rabid acceptance of whatever anti-Bush, anti-Jew, anti-authority article any yo-yo with net access can type that does not offer any real, viable solutions to the world's problems; just mindless criticism and conspiracy theories posing as rational thought. So: I will respond in any fashion I see fit. You will deal with it. Freedom of expression, and all that...or does that only apply if I toe the Lefty party line? All too often around here, it does. "Free speech for me but not for thee!"

I'm rude, Paul? Pot, meet kettle.

Coward: I hope you did good on your junior-high report, "Our Friends the Mammals".

I dont believe everything I see here.

You don't believe either?

What does God's voice sound like?

“As to diseases, make a habit of two things-to help, or at least to do no harm.”

-Hippocrates, 5th Century B.C.E. Greek Physician, regarded as the father of medicine.

According to the World Health Organization (WHO) and UNAIDS, 42 million people around the world are infected with HIV, and nearly 22 million people in Africa have died of AIDS. But AIDS isn't a single disease; it's a collection of diseases. When people are said to die of AIDS, they're known to die of a particular disease or condition, such as pneumonia, tuberculosis, malaria or basic malnutrition. AIDS researchers claim that HIV plays a role in the development of these illnesses, but in spite of this claim, 20 years of AIDS research has failed to prove causation between HIV infection and any so-called AIDS disease (as explored in “The AIDS Debate” parts one and two). So why do we call them AIDS deaths?

In the US, AIDS is defined as a collection of 29 previously-known conditions including yeast infections, hepatitis, the flu, pneumonia, tuberculosis and Kaposi's Sarcoma. These conditions are not known to be caused by HIV. Nevertheless, the one thing that classifies any one of these conditions as AIDS is a positive HIV-antibody test.

But even if HIV was found to cause these previously known conditions, a problem remains. The HIV-antibody tests do not diagnose actual HIV-infection. Instead, they look for non-specific antibody reactions in your blood to proteins in the HIV-test. The test manufacturers claim that the proteins stand in for HIV, but in reality, none of the test proteins have been proven to be specific to HIV. These tests are, in fact, so nonspecific that they cross-react with nearly 70 other documented conditions, including the flu, previous vaccinations, blood transfusions, arthritis, alcoholic hepatitis, drug use, yeast infections and even pregnancy, as well as conditions endemic in Africa: tuberculosis, parasitic infection, leprosy and malaria. Because no HIV test can actually find HIV, not a single HIV-test has been approved by the FDA for diagnosing HIV-infection.

In light of this nonspecific, cross-reacting test, how does the World Health Organization (WHO) diagnose AIDS in Africa?

Simple: they don't require any test at all. In 1985, the WHO created a new definition of AIDS for African nations and third world countries. The WHO's “Bangui Definition” allows Africans with common physical symptoms including diarrhea, fever, weight loss, itching and coughing to be automatically designated as AIDS patients, with no HIV test. But these very symptoms define life for the majority of Africans who lack essentials like sufficient food, safe drinking water, proper sanitation and basic medical care. These symptoms are also synonymous with the biggest killers on the continent: malaria, infectious diarrhea and tuberculosis.

Western AIDS organizations are working to get toxic AIDS drugs into the hands of African governments, but what's the use of potentially deadly AIDS pharmaceuticals to people suffering from poverty-related diseases like chronic tuberculosis and malaria infection, or to pregnant mothers whose blood cross-reacts with the nonspecific HIV tests?

To answer these questions, I spoke with AIDS researchers who've worked in Africa and studied the African AIDS epidemic.

Dr. Christian Fiala is a medical doctor and specialist in obstetrics and gynecology in Vienna. He's worked extensively in Uganda and Thailand researching AIDS.

Dr. Rodney Richards was one of the founding scientists for the biotech company Amgen where he helped develop some of the first HIV tests. Richards currently works full-time researching AIDS.

The interviews were conducted separately and integrated into a dialogue. Individual points-of-view belong to individual speakers.

How is AIDS diagnosed in Africa?

Christian Fiala: Your readers may be surprised to learn that AIDS in Africa is diagnosed completely differently than in Europe or the US. In Africa, an AIDS diagnosis can be made based on commonly occurring physical symptoms alone. This is ironic, because AIDS is a collection of diseases, and has no uniform symptoms. Even the co-founder of HIV theory, Luc Montagnier, admits that AIDS has no specific clinical symptoms.

How was this new AIDS definition devised?

Fiala: In 1985 the WHO held a meeting in Bangui, the capital of the Central African Republic. A WHO official, Joseph McCormick, wrote about it in his book Level 4: Virus Hunters of the CDC.

He wrote: “If I could get everyone at the WHO meeting in Bangui to agree on a single, simple definition of what an AIDS case was in Africa, then, imperfect as the definition might be, we could actually start counting the cases...”

This is what's known as the Bangui Definition.

How does the Bangui definition define AIDS?

Fiala: There are two categories of symptoms, major and minor. A patient is given an AIDS diagnosis when they have two major symptoms and one minor symptom. The major symptoms are weight loss, chronic diarrhea and chronic fever. The minor symptoms include coughing and generalized itching.

Let me clarify, based on the WHO's definition, if you have a fever, a cough and diarrhea in Africa, then you have AIDS?

Fiala: That's correct.

That seems absurd.

Fiala: It is. It's more absurd when you understand how common these symptoms are in resource-poor settings like sub-Saharan Africa. To begin with, less than 50 percent of Africans have access to safe drinking water. Over 60 percent have no sanitation. Most African villages don't have sewage systems. Human and animal excrements mix with the water supply. People drink this water and ingest infectious parasites and bacteria. As a result, dysentery is endemic.

When your intestines are full of infectious microbes, you'll likely develop a fever. Your body will try to purge itself by expelling the bacteria as quickly as possible. This is infectious diarrhea, and it's incredibly common in Africa.

Diarrhea drains liquid, salts, minerals and nutrients from the body. It weakens the immune system. When you have no safe water, you'll have diarrhea chronically. When you have chronic diarrhea, you can't help but to lose weight.

At this point, you've fulfilled the major symptom criteria in the African definition for AIDS. So you need one minor symptom, like generalized itching or coughing. In Uganda, a so-called “AIDS epicenter,” 80 percent of houses have floors made of packed soil or cow dung. An entire family lives on this floor. There are, on average, seven children per family, all living in this room. This is not what we in the US and Europe call proper housing, and it's easy to see how a problem like “generalized itching” might come up. At this point, an African suffering from itching, diarrhea and weight loss should be - according to the WHO - officially reported as an AIDS patient. The Bangui Definition simply relabels symptoms of poverty as AIDS.

The second problem with the Bangui Definition is Tuberculosis. TB is very widespread in Africa. It's a bacterial infection that infects the lungs. TB is spread by coughing, and it's highly infectious. The typical symptoms of Tuberculosis are fever, weight loss and coughing. This is exactly what is required for an AIDS diagnosis.

So if you have Tuberculosis in Africa, you can be diagnosed with AIDS?

Fiala: That's correct. According to the WHO, the typical symptoms of TB define AIDS in Africa.

Another problem with the Bangui Definition is malaria. Malaria is the most widespread disease in Africa and tropical countries. It's the leading cause of death in Uganda. It's spread by mosquitoes, so people are reinfected several times a year. A great many people die every year, while the rest develop a relative immunity, even though it's wearing away at them. The symptoms of malaria include fever, weight loss and fatigue. If you have a cough or itching, and you have malaria in Africa, you can be diagnosed with AIDS.

As if this wasn't problematic enough, in some African countries, such as Tanzania, health authorities have decided that a one-criteria diagnosis is all they need. A patient exhibiting just one of the major symptoms - diarrhea, fever or weight loss - can be given an AIDS diagnosis.

This is hardly scientific, and it's very different from what people are told about AIDS in Africa. The idea that there should be a different kind of AIDS for Africans or Europeans or Americans defies the scientific definition of viral infection. A single virus doesn't cause different diseases in different people or in different countries. A viral infection doesn't vary so wildly so as to create pelvic cancer in women, Kaposi's sarcoma in gay men, and tuberculosis in Africans. But this is what we're asked to believe about HIV.

What's the treatment for TB and Malaria?

Fiala: The best treatment is prevention. The most effective way to reduce all of these infectious diseases is to improve the standard of living and hygiene for local residents - to provide safe, clean water; plentiful, healthy food; proper housing and basic medical care. This is exactly how the incidence of TB and other infectious diseases was dramatically reduced in the US and Europe.

The treatment for malaria is well known and simple: treated mosquito nets that protect villages; clean, safe, non-stagnant water; and the inexpensive, highly efficient drugs that effectively fight the disease.

Why don't African Countries have clean water systems?

Fiala: You could've asked that question 100 years ago in the US and Europe. Sewage and water systems rely on economic development. We have these things in the West because we know they're absolutely essential, so we've invested money and energy in them.

Many African nations don't have the money to develop this infrastructure and modernize the villages. The money they have is being re-routed into AIDS. These countries are being pressured by international AIDS organizations to take money out of rural development and put it into AIDS education, condom distribution, abstinence campaigns and toxic AIDS pharmaceuticals.

We're told that there are nearly 30 million African AIDS patients. This is an enormous number of people. How are these cases counted?

Fiala: The United Nations AIDS organization (UNAIDS) and the WHO use various computer modeling programs to come up with their numbers.

Rodney Richards: When you read about the millions of HIV-infected in Africa, you may notice that the word “estimated” precedes the number in the official publications.

What does “estimated” mean?

Richards: All WHO/UNAIDS reports of HIV-infection in Africa are "estimates" based on HIV tests performed on blood samples taken at pregnancy clinics. These global reports are created jointly by the WHO and UNAIDS.

Why is blood taken from pregnancy clinics?

Richards: In countries with little infrastructure, medical care is very limited, and is generally reserved for the most vulnerable segment of the population, such as infants and pregnant women. Even in the poorest countries, there are pregnancy clinics serving expectant mothers and women who've just given birth.

Pregnant women regularly line up at these clinics for a check-up that includes a blood screening for syphilis. Syphilis infection is common in many African countries, and must be treated before a baby's birth, or the child could die or be severely damaged.

Once a year, UNAIDS researchers collect leftover blood samples from these clinics, and test them with a single HIV-antibody test called the Elisa. The resulting number of HIV-positive results is fed into an epidemiological computer modeling program (Epi-model) at the WHO headquarters in Geneva. The Epi-model program then extrapolates the HIV-positive test results onto the entire population - young and old; men, women and children. When we hear about the number of people infected with HIV, it's this number that's being reported.

How do reported numbers of HIV-infection correspond to actual number of people tested?

Richards: The WHO/UNAIDS tells us that there are currently 30 million HIV-positive Africans, yet less than one in a thousand of these people have ever been tested. In South Africa, the WHO/UNAIDS reports 5 million people are infected with HIV, but this number is based on only 4,000 actual HIV-positive test results from pregnant women.

But even these positive test results are hardly indicative of HIV-infection. The HIV-antibody tests used in these surveys are known to come up positive based on cross-reactions with antibodies produced from malaria, TB and parasitic infection - all common conditions in Africa. The test manufacturers themselves warn that pregnancy is a known cause of false positives.

Fiala: Testing pregnant women for HIV-infection is a self-fulfilling prophecy, but pregnant women are the only people regularly tested for HIV-infection in sub-Saharan Africa.

We're told that 28 million people worldwide and 22 million Africans have died of AIDS. How are AIDS deaths counted in Africa?

Richards: AIDS deaths are also estimates. The number of deaths is projected from the Epi-model estimate of HIV-infections. It is assumed that if a certain number of people are HIV-infected, then a certain number will die of AIDS. This assumption is based on what researchers know historically about disease progression in AIDS patients, primarily from studies done on HIV-positive IV drug abusers and male homosexuals in the US and Europe.

Are these numbers accurate?

Richards: No, the numbers have been greatly inflated. For example, the WHO/UNAIDS says that there has been 2.2 million AIDS deaths in Uganda so far, but the Ugandan Ministry of Health records a cumulative total of only 56,000 AIDS deaths since the beginning of the epidemic. The WHO's report is 33 times higher than the actual number of recorded, verified deaths.

As of the end of 2001, official government bodies in the developing world have managed to account for only 7 percent of the cumulative AIDS deaths that the WHO/UNAIDS claim have occurred. The Russian Federation can only account for only 3 percent of the UNAIDS estimate of AIDS deaths. India has 2 percent of the UNAIDS estimate. China has only 1 percent.

If I understand correctly, the number of people we're told have HIV and AIDS in Africa is actually an inaccurate computer extrapolation based on test results from non-specific, cross-reacting antibody tests given to pregnant women?

Fiala: That's correct.

And the number of AIDS deaths in Africa is a projection based on the previous estimation, and is also greatly inflated?

Richards: That is also correct.

What does an AIDS diagnosis mean for an African with TB or malaria?

Fiala: In many African clinics, basic medical supplies like antibiotics are extremely limited. A clinic may only have 10 bottles of antibiotics. AIDS patients are frequently refused antibiotic treatment, because it's assumed that they'll die, no matter what. Western doctors have made it clear that AIDS is a fatal disease. Helping them is considered a waste of scarce resources.

What's the main AIDS organization in Uganda?

Fiala: TASO - The AIDS Support Organisation. They claim to be independent, but they're heavily funded by the pharmaceutical industry. They're currently constructing buildings to prepare the ground for massive HIV testing, with this non-specific, cross-reacting test, and to distribute toxic AIDS drugs.

In Africa, 50 percent of the population has no access to clean drinking water and the vast majority lack even basic medical care. And the response from multimillion dollar AIDS organization is to promote HIV testing, give out condoms and to implement treatment with deadly AIDS drugs. These drugs are similar or identical to chemotherapy drugs used in cancer treatment. They work by stopping cell growth. They kill your body from the inside out.

Which AIDS drugs are being used in Africa?

Fiala: Boehringer, a pharmaceutical company, has been doing studies in Uganda with a drug called Nevirapine. The FDA refused approval of Nevirapine in the US for so-called mother to child transmission because it's ineffective and has deadly side effects, but this is exactly how the drug is being used in Africa - on pregnant women and unborn children.

In one drug trial, 17 percent of patients taking Nevirapine developed liver problems. A US health care worker taking Nevirapine had to have a liver transplant to save his life as a result of drug toxicity. Five women in South Africa died and dozens developed severe liver problems in a combination AIDS drug trial that included Nevirapine.

The manufacturer's warning label for Nevirapine itself states that patients taking the drug have experienced: “Severe, life-threatening and in some cases fatal hepatotoxicity [liver damage],” and “severe, life-threatening skin reactions, including fatal cases.”

These are the most toxic drugs known to medicine, and they're being applied to the most vulnerable part of the population - pregnant mothers, unborn children and newborns - all based on a faulty test, or no test at all, while their actual food, shelter and water needs continue to be ignored.

What would actually help Africans is infrastructure development: proper sanitation, safe water, basic medical care and plentiful, nutritive food. This is simple, clear and logical. What's astounding is that the UN is recommending just the opposite.

In 1999 the UNAIDS commission gave its official recommendations to a meeting of finance ministers representing various African countries. The UN's exact recommendations to African nations: to redirect billions of dollars from health, infrastructure and rural development into AIDS - condoms, safe sex lectures and deadly pharmaceuticals. This is not what these already suffering people need to be healthy and successful. This is exactly how to propagate death, disease and poverty.

Afterword:

If the AIDS story in Africa feels like a parody of a bureaucratic blunder, take note: In April of this year, the US Centers for Disease Control (CDC) announced a new HIV testing strategy for the United States. Rather than relying on voluntary HIV-testing, federal officials are urging the testing of all pregnant women in the US, and are implementing measures to make HIV-testing a routine part of hospital visits. The CDC is promoting a rapid HIV-test for use in all federally funded clinics, as well as homeless shelters, prisons and substance abuse treatment centers.

The HIV-antibody tests are known to cross-react with antibodies produced during pregnancy, drug abuse and nearly 70 other common conditions, and no HIV test is FDA approved to diagnose HIV infection. The standard medical treatment for HIV infection is a combination of the most toxic drugs ever manufactured.

“The AIDS Debate” series has explored the scientific and sociological process that formed HIV theory, and the ramifications of a speculative theory enforced upon a trusting, uninformed public.

We must ask ourselves, are we doing the best we can for sick people? Is the best we can offer impoverished Africans AZT and Nevirapine? Is the best we can do for drug-addicted mothers is force more drugs into their system? And what about people unlucky enough to register HIV positive on these scientifically unvalidated tests. Do they deserve to be told that they have a fatal illness?

“As to diseases, make a habit of two things-to help, or at least to do no harm."

As for human beings, one thing's for sure. We can always do better.

God's voice sounds like:

My daughter's first cries when they were born.

The sound of crashing surf.

The wind in the trees.

My wife's hearbeat when I hold her close.

The silence in an empty church.

That "small, still voice" in my heart, urging me to do what's right, even if I don't want to.

You've never heard the voice of God? How sad.

God's voice sounds like: -

The scream of a child burned by Napham
and a KKK mob

The sound of great cities burning sacked by Christian Knights
and flesh burning at the command of the Holy Roman Church

Women having their sexual organs removed and
poor children being forced to wear silly caps

God's voice sounds like all that is vile on Earth.

If God is almighty, God is all evil.

Simply put...your views don't count.

And you are a foolish child.

You desperately need prayer.

I'll pray for you.

If there was a 'God' I would consider him a criminal of the first order. I am not going to worship a mass murder, sadist and outright scum bag just because he has unlimited power,

As God is an invention of feeble minds I am saved the need to kick the ass of such a despot.

Religion is evil by it's very nature just like the AID$ myth.

Both being control by fear.

You're missing out on so much and you don't even know it.

I hope one day you see the light.

Dear F,

Do you really think I care a hoot what YOU think of my views? You may think my views don't count and that you are God incarnate but then delusions of this kind are common place.

If you are deluded enough to still believe in AID$, cleary you will believe ANYTHING.

It is had to see without it.

The lack of it is called darkness. You may have heard of it Dave.

...there is evil in this world. It thrives in darkness, and feeds on those who spend their lives there.

Be very careful when you decide where to live your life. You may not get a chance to change your mind.

...even it I go scenile.

...you truly are lost.

Be very careful when you decide where to live your life. You may not get a chance to change your mind.

this from one of the creatures in the darkness. And like termites. busy trying to cover the sunlight coming into the darkness.

...of sounding arrogant, I know where I'm spending eternity.

How 'bout you?

your eternity will be spent dead. HaHa.

Sheepy.

Heaven awaits.

Poor boy.
have a nice ride ride. Always have said there's nothing more dangerous than a gun for god.

...a leftist/anarchist with internet access?

and fantasy. You sure as shoel don't know what it means. Quoting the bible is a certain sign of dullness...

"How about...
by daveman • Wednesday June 11, 2003 08:15 PM

...a leftist/anarchist with internet access?"

Next they will give women and blacks the vote!! God forbid.

----

I love to read fascist posts. All the talk of God and then the truth comes out. Good old red neck fascism.

In assuming I'm a redneck because I'm a Christian, you're making a rather sweeping generalization, aren't you?

Furthermore, I have espoused no fascist doctrine. Kindly point out to me where I said blacks and women should not vote. The "l/a with internet access" remark was sarcasm. Perhaps you've heard pf it, but just can't recognize it.

Now, you can insult me and my faith all you like. Do you honestly think it matters to me? Am I supposed to rush out, burn my bible and cry to the heavens, "Paul thinks religion is stupid! Why, oh why have I wasted so much time in church?" Don't hold your breath.

Oh, and Sheepdog...yes, I've read the bible. Duh. You are hardly in a position to say I haven't interpreted it correctly.

But then again, you're hardly in a postion to say a lot of the things you say.

Weird though- in all your other posts you assume a person is a terrorist because they are Muslim and read the Koran.

...I hate Muslims.

"- Sheepdog...yes, I've read the bible. Duh. You are hardly in a position to say I haven't interpreted it correctly."
You sure as shoel don't know what it means. So tell us mr. daveman, what part of thou shalt not kill, turn the other cheek, forgive seventy time seventy, the
good sumaritan etc. don't you understand?
Or are you the Samson with his asses jaw wasting a thou or so Philistines?
Gabreal as the sword of god or just plain christian solder?"- Sheepdog...yes, I've read the bible. Duh. You are hardly in a position to say I haven't interpreted it correctly."
You sure as shoel don't know what it means. So tell us mr. daveman, what part of thou shalt not kill, turn the other cheek, forgive seventy time seventy, the
good sumaritan etc. don't you understand?
Or are you the Samson with his asses jaw wasting a thou or so Philistines?
Gabreal as the sword of god or just plain christian solder? Up to the knees of horses eh?
You weak little injured minds. You need that crutch. Look up at the stars, afraid to fall up? It's huge out there, beyond our little books and scrolls and legends and tribal chants.
Look into the infinite unafraid, monkeyboy. Comfort yourself with trite rationalization
in the guise of your fetish. I don't buy your hypocrisy.

"- Sheepdog...yes, I've read the bible. Duh. You are hardly in a position to say I haven't interpreted it correctly."
You sure as shoel don't know what it means. So tell us mr. daveman, what part of thou shalt not kill, turn the other cheek, forgive seventy time seventy,
You weak little injured minds. You need that crutch. Look up at the stars, afraid to fall up? It's huge out there, beyond our little books and scrolls and legends and tribal chants.
Look into the infinite unafraid, monkeyboy. Comfort yourself with trite rationalization
in the guise of your fetish. I don't buy your hypocrisy.

So, Davey-baby,

You're saved, are you? Like the 144,000 Jehovah's Witnesses that say they're the only ones that get to go to heaven? Or like the Chosen People, who believe everyone else is 'unclean' and beneath them? This religion stuff of yours sure doesn't sound very tolerant.

Davey-baby: Have you ever seen Heaven? Ever seen a god save a poor starving child? Or where was a god when we dropped napalm on little kids? And when chldren step on US cluster bombs, why doesn't a god save them? They are innocent.

Your religion empowers a myth while diminishing humankind's responsibility for their actions and for this planet. Must be nice to say: 'Oh, it's OK, God will take care of it.' So far, God has yet to pay my rent. So far, God has failed to stop wars. So far, God has let innocent people suffer for the sake of greed. Why do you think we need a god? Aren't people capable of running their own lives?

"That's only because...
by daveman • Thursday June 12, 2003 09:51 AM

...I hate Muslims."

So what happened to all that stuff about LOVE in the Bible?

As per usual religion is about HATE!

....and frightening people out of enjoying sex with wonder diseases that break EVERY law of science.

That stuff made me sick.

KFC, you've never had an original thought, so I understand how you might have trouble recognizing them.

Gosh...you don't like my faith. Boo hoo. I have a question...is there anything you love? Or does the hate take up all the space in the little thing you use for a heart?

Paulie the Queen: You idiot. That was the fake guy. I wasn't even on line then. I don't expect you to believe me, though; can't let facts get in the way of your truth, can you?

"....and frightening people out of enjoying sex with wonder diseases that break EVERY law of science."

Uhhh, you go ahead and have unprotected sex. If you're lucky, maybe your willie won't fall off.

Aletta: Made you sick, huh? Yeah...that's how I feel when I read most of the spew on la-imc. You just have to work up a tolerance.

...long as I got my Plastic Jeezus sittin' on the Dashboard of my Car.

Oh, I can drive a hundred miles an hour long as I got that mighty power sittin on the Dashboard of my Car.

C'mon boy, here you go, here'e your dinner, chopped liver and brains dinner, stright from godless Iraq, don't mind the radioactive contamination...it's good for your shaggy coat. Keep on fightin till you bleed from the ears. Glue your forehead to the ground like a good pup. Roll over.... Who's your master? Who's your master...

You have a problem.
It's called the Bible. I've read it. Which part of it do you follow? Shallowman.

...brought to you by the Left and Indymedia, last bastions of tolerance and acceptance.

Oh, except for Jews and Christians. It's okay to hate them. As a matter of fact, it's encouraged.

Are you yo-yos so arrogant that you think your hate-filled rants mean anything to me?

All you're doing is inspiring pity for yourselves.

And even worse, prayer on your behalf. Gasp!

Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." Luke 25:34

Why don't you read the sermon of the temple on the mount. As far as the other myths in the bible at least that one has soime wisdom in it.

And then maybe you can read what the Nicenes were about in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Then again your heroes would probably consider that seditious. And you just have to follow those orders don't you? No matter who gives them.

Where your 'chuckles' now godboy.

...you people are childish.

You hate what you fear.

What are you so afraid of?

as you tried insulting me by calling me "PaulieQueen" and asked

"Gosh...you don't like my faith. Boo hoo. I have a question...is there anything you love? "

...you clearly answered your own question (incorrectly).

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I love women, fighting fascism, free love and exposing the sickness of religion. Above all, I LOVE making Religious Right bigots like YOU angry. With every word you utter you show just how sick you really are.

Screw your puritan, rascist and sadistic god and all the myths (like AID$ and original sin) he stands for.


Paul

"The people need wholesome fear; they want to fear something. They want someone to frighten them and make them shudderingly
submissive."
- Ernst Roehm, gay leader of the Nazi SA Brownshirts

"We have created our myth. The myth is a faith, a passion. It is not necessary for it to be a reality."
- Benito Mussolini, The Naples Speech, 1922

"The power of such a method to force changes in cultural values is based on careful manipulation of fear. Ideally, health promotion
messages should heighten an individual's perceptions of threat and his or her capacity to respond to that threat, thus modulating the level of
fear...What is not yet known is how to introduce fear in the right way in a particular message intended for a particular audience. Acquiring
that knowledge will require planned variations of AIDS education programs that are carefully executed and then carefully evaluated".

Pages 267-8 and 373.- 1989 National Research Council/CDC Internal Report

...I don't recall having gotten angry.

Must be those voices in your head again.

Two more questions: How am I a bigot?

And where in the Bible is AIDS mentioned?

slime again froom the daveman poster.
This hypocrit has show he worships only the gods of empire.
Suddenly we have this worm wrap the bloody christian god about itself. Chhristian solder, I spit on you.

Not hardly.

I've been a Christian for 10 years.

How long have you been a religious bigot?

"Chhristian solder, I spit on you. "

I won't even go into your spelling, but I do find it interesting that you've added Chritians to the list of groups you hate.

What is faith and religion not "alternative" enough for you. Are you afraid that if they found out you were Christian they'd kick you out of ANSWER and not give you tofu anymore.

You are such a perfect example of the typical hate-filled, zero-tolerance leftist hypocrite.

I'll spit on you too. Happy now?

How long have you been a religious bigot?

It is a shame that these Religious Right puritan types waste everyone's time with their silly posts. It gets in the way of intelligent debate and the fight for a free and progressive Nation.

Dave and his childish insults are best ignored.


Best wishes,


Paul

...I have insuilted with far less invecitve than I've been insulted.

Also, you have not answered my question. You stated:

"Screw your puritan, rascist and sadistic god and all the myths (like AID$ and original sin) he stands for."

So I asked, "And where in the Bible is AIDS mentioned?"

So? What's your reference?

There is noone so wrong as he who has all the right answers.

...all the answers.

Did I?

"And where in the Bible is AIDS mentioned?"

AIDS is not in the Bible. AIDS is a 'modern' pseudo scientific religion but shares the same puritan heritage. It is the Religious Rights answer to ending the sexual revolution and returning us to the dark ages.

A religion in all but name.


Paul

I checked the links myself and you are right. Every Country with high condom usage has high AIDS. I found no exceptions. Do condoms cause immune suppression? What other cause could there be?

Really interesting post.

Thanks,

S. Ward

...and diddle whoever will let you.

I really don't care, except for any unfortunate child who might be conceived. But then, she can always get an abortion to get rid of any inconvenience, can't she?

If you think your moment of meaningless passion is worth more than a human life, go for it.

I do wish that I had aborted you.

If you hate Arabs, Muslims, Blacks, Latinos, and Koreans, come to Computers N.L.A. for a purely Aryan shopping experience. No funny accents at our shop. Just red blooded Americans.

"But then, she can always get an abortion to get rid of any inconvenience, can't she? '

Yes. Despite the efforts of people like you we no longer live in the age of coat hangers and unwanted children.

Killing children because they are an inconvenience and unwanted.

I look forward to the day when people like you can be rounded up and shot. No tears will be shed.

Brought to you by the Left, who will happily kill an innocent child, but will call a serial killer's execution an act of barbarism.

In ancient times, people would burn their own children alive as a sacrifice to their gods.

There is no difference between them and Paul King. The name of his god is Selfishness.

" I look forward to the day when people like you can be rounded up and shot."

Is it possible? Were you a Corporal in the First World War (in a past life)? Do you have facial hair? Does your right arm seem to jerk up when you hear Wagner's music?

Very best wishes to my Furher,

Paul

Fascism. Socialism. Communism. Democracy. Republic. Capatilism. Anarchy. It doesn't matter. There has never been an economy nor will there ever be an economy where the likes of scum like you should be allowed to exist.

Does that mean we are not friends?

YOU ARE A BUNCH OF FREAKS AT THAT SITE PAUL KING!

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AIDS Apologists VS AIDS Dissidents - Truths About AIDS Denialists

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AIDS apologists are those who know HIV leads to AIDS (proven by science, so much scientific proof) and we are defending the scientifically known fact that viral pathogenesis and progression of 'HIV to AIDS' causes the eventual need for combination therapies to prolong life. Mixed "AIDS Apologist" links here or find comments here from both sides (dissidents and the scientific community), but still about AIDS Apologist activities...

AIDS dissidents (better known as AIDS Denialists who are AIDS dissidence, dissidence is anti-establishment like, against science and progression, argumentative) deny HIV causes AIDS and claim the medications kill the patients (AZT "over use" alone started this myth in the late 80s, but medicine combo/therapies are working today in the year 2000+). Basically a group of non doctors and non scientists who challenge the conventional HIV/AIDS model or hypothesis and do not accept the proven evidence. These dissident groups seem almost fanatical by them posting the same message multiple times to a targeted list of internet websites (non dissident sites of course, clogging up the normal flow of reading material with intentions of shutting the sites down) and insulting/bashing anyone who may not agree.

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