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The suffering Palestinians

by Mona Charen Tuesday, May. 27, 2003 at 3:19 AM

Palestinians get worse treatment from their fellow Arabs than from the Israelis

In 1867, Mark Twain visited the Holy Land and was dismayed at what he found, "a desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds -- a silent, mournful expanse. . . . A desolation is here that not even imagination can grace with the pomp of life and action. . . . We never saw a human being on the whole route. . . . There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of the worthless soil, had almost deserted the country." (From The Innocents Abroad.)

The land to which Jews began to return in large numbers during the final two decades of the 19th century -- the land they transformed from desert to orange groves, cities and kibbutzim -- was largely empty, not the thriving "nation of Palestine," as the current myth has it.

One thinks of this because today's news brings fresh reports of the pitiless persecution of the Palestinians -- not by Jews, but by their fellow Arabs -- which is the true story of Palestinian oppression.

The Lebanese government, the New York Times reports, is considering revoking the citizenship it awarded to about 25,000 Palestinians in 1994, a move that will cost many of them their jobs, schools, homes and access to health care. "They are not welcomed," writes reporter Daniel J. Wakin, "by a government that declares its allegiance to the struggle for a Palestinian right to a homeland." Lebanon, like Israel's other Arab neighbors, refused to absorb Arab refugees in 1948, placing them in camps instead. (Israel, by contrast, absorbed and made citizens of the 500,000 Jews who fled Arab lands at the same time.) Twelve refugee camps remain housing most of the 400,000 Palestinians who live in Lebanon. Lebanese law declares them to be stateless, and as such, forbidden to own land outside the refugee camps.

The camps are a disgrace -- far worse than anything in the Israeli-administered territories (and Israel surrendered the day-to-day running of civilian life to the Palestinian Authority after the Oslo Accords). "Waste water runs through a trough in the alleys," reports the Times. "Human waste is disposed of in pits beneath homes. Some of the alleys have grown so jumbled that waste-removal trucks cannot get through, and filled-up pits are becoming a problem . . .Residents say the Lebanese Army, which has a checkpoint at the camp's entrance, sometimes searches cars to make sure no unauthorized building materials enter, so the camp does not become more permanent."

Though the Palestinians are ethnically, culturally, religiously and linguistically indistinguishable from their neighbors in Lebanon, they are rejected and excluded from Lebanese society only to make a point about Lebanon's (read Syria's) total rejection of Israel's existence.

Arab governments deny this and claim that the camps will be closed just as soon as the "right of return" is recognized. But they of course know that the "right of return" would mean that up to 4,500,000 Palestinians living all over the world would have the right to settle in Israel. Israel could never accept nearly 5,000,000 implacably hostile Arabs (Israel is already home to 1,000,000 Arab citizens who can vote and even serve in the Knesset). The Lebanese, or rather the Syrians, who invaded and control the country, certainly know that the Palestinians living in those camps will never "return" to Israel. So why keep them in such squalid conditions? As a breeding ground for terrorists, perhaps?

Following the Gulf War in 1991, Kuwait simply clapped its hands and expelled up to 300,000 Palestinians. Why? Because Yasser Arafat had sided with Saddam Hussein in the war. The Palestinians had been integrated into Kuwaiti society, working at all kinds of jobs, from engineering to computer to menial work. Many had been born there. But the Kuwaiti royal family had no qualms about uprooting them. Ambassador Saud Nasir Sabah said, "They didn't represent a necessity to us." There was hardly a peep from the world community. Certainly there was no condemnation by the United Nations.

There is very little sincere concern around the world for the "plight" of the Palestinians. If there were, their situation in Arab countries would draw more attention. As it is, Palestinians are only useful as a club with which to beat Israel. It is disgusting that the Arabs are willing to do this to their own cousins, and equally dismaying that world opinion endorses it.
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Mona Charen

by SY$teMF@iLuRe Tuesday, May. 27, 2003 at 3:27 AM

Nice COINTEL prop
who pays your bills FASCIST SCUM
please post relevant links for your hatred and
repression
of course, your speaking for ALL palestinians PEOPLE
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hmmmmmmm

by hmmmmmmm Tuesday, May. 27, 2003 at 3:59 AM

another prepared paste.
hmmmmmmmm
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hmmmmmmmmm

by hmmmmmmmmm Tuesday, May. 27, 2003 at 4:52 AM

yet another prepared paste.
ah.
new edict from the ministry of truth.
thank you, of course.
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How Zionists justify their hatred.

by Mary Tuesday, May. 27, 2003 at 4:53 AM

Hey, if Arabs hate Palestinians, so should the rest of us....

More proof that Zionists are racist bigots.
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The term: "Zionist"

by Bush Admiser Tuesday, May. 27, 2003 at 4:57 AM

It has become clear from reading IMC posts that those who use the term "Zionist" reveal themselves as anti-Semitic and racist with blind prejudice.
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Racisist Zionists

by wavemaster Tuesday, May. 27, 2003 at 6:03 AM

The nerve of this guy to use Mark Twain to justify zionist imperialism. Mark Twain was an anti-imperialist who was against the US war in the phillipines, and I'm sure if he were alive today he would be horrified at the current situation in the occupied territories. And Bush Admirer the same people who are in charge of foriegn policy today were also the ones who sold Sadam the helicopters used to gas the Iranians in the 1980's. It is Bectel and Haliburton who are in charge of our foreign policy, Rumsfeld and the rest of the defense lobbiest in Washington are just doing their bidding.
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????

by fresca Tuesday, May. 27, 2003 at 8:33 AM

What the hell are you jabbering on about wavemaster?
Stick with the topic.
The arab world is MUCH more concerned with destroying Jews (with the help of the US left) then helping even one palestinian.
Hell, a palestinian literally has to blow up before any other arab state will kick down some money.

As they say, "the arab world will fight Israel to the last palestinian."

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You write just like SBM.

by Hillary Tuesday, May. 27, 2003 at 11:38 AM

You also support the same positions. I think it likely that you are SBM.
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Hillary

by fresca Tuesday, May. 27, 2003 at 11:42 AM

"You also support the same positions. I think it likely that you are SBM."

Let me hip you to something honey.
The position of being pro-Israel and anti terrorist is not a minority view shared by only KOBE SBM and myself.
Wake up. Most of the world shares this view.
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that's her job here, Hillery

by observer Tuesday, May. 27, 2003 at 1:06 PM

she wants so badly to be in the mossad and as a stanch
defender of zionism, no word of its detraction will be allowed to be written without the screech of 'anti-jew' being
wailed stridently. She must be on a payroll to keep this
rabid defence of Sharon's butchers up, despite how the world
really feels outside of the United States and Isreal. Maybe
she thinks eveyone is as blind as she wishes them to be.
Poor little fresca, trying so hard.
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ahh observer

by Cough Tuesday, May. 27, 2003 at 4:17 PM

looking closely at observer..

you must be systemfailure (our "wannabe" hamas member) because only one person in the world could be stupid enough to support terrorism..

but actually my faith in humanity may be somewhat misplaced
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Great Suggestion!

by Wavemaster Wednesday, May. 28, 2003 at 5:46 AM

Great Suggestion!...
badge.jpg, image/jpeg, 393x280

Let's just require all Jews to wear a yellow star and let's print up these posters in every language (English translation: He who wears this symbol is the enemy of our people).

What do you think System Failure? Is this a great idea or what?
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you...idiots, you're weak.

by Sheepdog Wednesday, May. 28, 2003 at 6:19 AM

Sheepdog=observer, bobo.
And now you try to smear wavemaster with this transparent crap.
So the new propaganda push is to associate criticism of
Sharon's murderous ZIONISM as anti-jewish.
It must mean we have some bad press coming up about the IDF
or maybe it's to address the bad press already out.
Either way, you telegraph your underlying vulnerability and
your realization of it.
Thank you.
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your welcome

by fresca Wednesday, May. 28, 2003 at 7:28 AM

Thanks Sheepdog.
But all that aside, SFailure and his ilk like Dio are still racists.
They may be antiZionist AS WELL, but they are, in no uncertain terms, racist.
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Clemens as Middle East Expert

by Meyer London Wednesday, May. 28, 2003 at 7:36 AM

Well, Mona, Mark Twain was in Palestine for a few days - as a tourist. It is described in his aptly titled Innocents Abroad. Please note that he has highly negative comments about virtually all the countries he visits, including those in Europe. And, in spite of his anti-imperialism, he shares the "America is best" chauvanism oh his day (and ours'). I've read the book twice, and I don't recall him arguing that the Arabs are so backward that they deserve to have their lands stolen by European immigrants. Also, please keep in mind that Palestine was then a neglected province of the disintegrating Turkish Empire. The British later promised to liberate the Arabs from their Turkish oppressors during World War I, and instead gave the best part of Palestine to Jewish European colonists. Or at least promised to give it to them as a "homeland," not necessarily a state that would exclude Arabs. What the British actually intended to do, or whether they knew themselves, I don't claim to know.
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oh, and fresca...

by Sheepdog Wednesday, May. 28, 2003 at 7:51 AM

..you sure SOUND like a female when you post.
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uh...

by fresca Wednesday, May. 28, 2003 at 8:51 AM

"..you sure SOUND like a female when you post."

I guess I'll take that as a compliment, as I'm sure you would never use the characterization of being female as a derogatory device.
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well, check it out

by Sheepdog Wednesday, May. 28, 2003 at 10:12 AM

go through my posts and find a sexist or racist comment.
you wont. unless it was from someone assuming my nick..
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which..

by fresca Wednesday, May. 28, 2003 at 10:16 AM

..is exactly why I took it as a compliment.
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Fuck Bitches

by Fresca fascist cunt Wednesday, May. 28, 2003 at 10:52 AM

Fuck you you fascist bitch.
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^^^^^^^

by fresca Wednesday, May. 28, 2003 at 11:07 AM

Just plain stupid.
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Mark Twain

by Bush Admirer Wednesday, May. 28, 2003 at 3:00 PM

Meyer - You seem to have the opinion that Mark Twain was the infallible authority, the 'Pope' of his day. Where does that come from?

Mark had a reputation as a whiner/complainer. I can see how you might relate to him.

His talent wasn't politics. He would good at fiction.
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Logical Fallacy

by debate coach Thursday, May. 29, 2003 at 6:39 AM

"Mark had a reputation as a whiner/complainer."

Unsubstantiated Allegation.
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debate coach can kiss mah ass

by niggah bitch Thursday, May. 29, 2003 at 6:41 AM

go spud puck yoself biatch
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Logical Fallacyt

by debate coach Thursday, May. 29, 2003 at 6:42 AM

"The suffering Palestinians"

Unsubstantiated Allegation.

For more about logic, see:

http://www.intrepidsoftware.com/fallacy/toc.htm
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Logical Fallacy

by debate coach Thursday, May. 29, 2003 at 6:43 AM

"But all that aside, SFailure and his ilk like Dio are still racists."

Unsubstantiated Allegation.

For more about logic, see:

http://www.intrepidsoftware.com/fallacy/toc.htm

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debate coach

by logical fallacy Thursday, May. 29, 2003 at 6:45 AM

debate coach = logical fallacy
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debate coach = logical fallacy
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debate coach = logical fallacy
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debate coach = logical fallacy
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debate coach

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debate coach = logical fallacy
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debate coach

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debate coach = logical fallacy
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debate coach = logical fallacy
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Logical Fallacy

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"debate coach = logical fallacy"

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"unsubstantiated allegation"

Logica fallacy.

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"unsubstantiated allegation"

by logical fallacy Thursday, May. 29, 2003 at 6:50 AM

"unsubstantiated allegation"

Logica fallacy.

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"unsubstantiated allegation"

by logical fallacy Thursday, May. 29, 2003 at 6:50 AM

"unsubstantiated allegation"

Logica fallacy.

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"unsubstantiated allegation"

by logical fallacy Thursday, May. 29, 2003 at 6:50 AM

"unsubstantiated allegation"

Logica fallacy.

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"unsubstantiated allegation"

by logical fallacy Thursday, May. 29, 2003 at 6:50 AM

"unsubstantiated allegation"

Logica fallacy.

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"unsubstantiated allegation"

by logical fallacy Thursday, May. 29, 2003 at 6:50 AM

"unsubstantiated allegation"

Logica fallacy.

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Logical Fallacy

by debate coach Thursday, May. 29, 2003 at 6:52 AM

"Logica fallacy."

No such phrase.
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"No such phrase."

by unsubstantiated allegtion Thursday, May. 29, 2003 at 6:54 AM

"No such phrase."

unsubstantiated allegtion
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Logic?

by Max Thrasher Thursday, May. 29, 2003 at 6:57 AM

I wouldn't know logic if it plucked out my ass hairs.
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unsubstantiated allegation

by Diogenes Thursday, May. 29, 2003 at 6:59 AM

"I wouldn't know logic if it plucked out my ass hairs."

unsubstantiated allegation
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Diogenes

by Max Thrasher Thursday, May. 29, 2003 at 7:02 AM

My dad is a mess hall seargent and he'll kick your ass!!!
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