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MANY 9-11 "HIJACKERS" ARE STILL ALIVE.

by XXX Tuesday, May. 06, 2003 at 9:56 AM

The world's media has reported that many of the so-called hijackers "fingered" by the FBI are still alive. For example the BBC (British Broadcasting Cooperation) carried this report,..............

THESE 9-11 "HIJACKERS" ARE STILL ALIVE.



The world's media has reported that many of the so-called hijackers "fingered" by the FBI are still alive. For example the BBC (British Broadcasting Cooperation) carried this report:

Hijack "suspects" alive and well.

The following article is a remake of http://www.mujahideen.fsnet.co.uk/wtc/wtc-hijackers.htm which lists many of the media articles dealing with the hijackers who were not hijackers.



Abdul Aziz Al-Omari (Flight 11) (Trained Pilot)

The identities of two men with same name have been cobbled together to create an FBI "terrorist". Both are Alive!

The first has the same name, the same birth date as one of the FBI "terrorists" but has no idea how to fly.

The second has the name Abdul Rahman Al-Omari and a different birth date, but is the person pictured by the FBI and is a pilot for Saudi Arabian Airlines.

Here are some quotes from the world's media concerning them.

Omari Number 1

"A Saudi man has reported to authorities that he is the real Abdul Aziz Al-Omari, and claims his passport was stolen in 1995 while he studied electrical engineering at the University of Denver. Al-Omari says he informed police of the theft." - ABCNews

"I couldn't believe it when the FBI put me on their list. They gave my name and my date of birth, but I am not a suicide bomber. I am here. I am alive. I have no idea how to fly a plane. I had nothing to do with this." - Telegraph 23rd September 2001

"The name (listed by the FBI) is my name and the birth date is the same as mine, but I am not the one who bombed the World Trade Center in New York," Abdul Aziz Al-Omari told the London-based Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper.

"Al-Omari has since been found in Saudi Arabia and is apparently cleared in the case" - New York Times

"Saudi Embassy officials in Washington have challenged his identity. They say a Saudi electrical engineer named Abdul Aziz Al-Omari had his passport and other papers stolen in 1996 in Denver when he was a student and reported the theft to police there at the time." - BBC

"Abdel Aziz Al-Omari and Saïd Hussein Gharamallah Al-Ghamdi, are well in life, the first in Saudi Arabia and the second in Tunisia for nine months." - Wal Fadjri 21st September 2001 (translate)

Omari Number 2

Mr. Al-Omari, a pilot with Saudi Airlines, walked into the US embassy in Jeddah to demand why he was being reported as a dead hijacker in the American media.

"Abdul Aziz Al-Omari is a pilot for Saudi Arabian Airlines" - BBC 23rd September 2001

"A pilot with Saudi Airlines, was astonished to find himself accused of hijacking ­ as well as being dead ­ and has visited the US consulate in Jeddah to demand an explanation." - Independent 17th September 2001

This Al-Omari lives with his wife and four children in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.



Saeed Al-Ghamdi (Flight 93) (Trained Pilot)

"Saeed Al-Ghamdi is one of three hijackers that US officials have said are linked to Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida network." - BBC

No BBC! Mr. Al-Ghamdi is still alive and well and at his job for Tunis Air.

"I was completely shocked. For the past 10 months I have been based in Tunis with 22 other pilots learning to fly an Airbus 320. The FBI provided no evidence of my presumed involvement in the attacks." - Telegraph 23rd September 2001

"Asharq Al Awsat newspaper, a London-based Arabic daily, says it has interviewed Saeed Al-Ghamdi." - BBC 23rd September 2001

"Abdel Aziz Al-Omari and Saïd Hussein Gharamallah Al-Ghamdi, are well in life, the first in Saudi Arabia and the second in Tunisia for nine months." - Wal Fadjri 21st September 2001 (translate)

"..... not dead and had nothing to do with the heinous terror attacks in New York and Washington." - Saudi embassy



Waleed Al-Shehri (Flight 11) (Trained Pilot)

"A sixth person on the FBI's list, Saudi national Waleed Al-Shehri, is living in Casablanca, according to an official with the Royal Air Moroc, the Moroccan commercial airline. According to the unnamed official, Al-Shehri lived in Dayton Beach, Fla., where he took flight training at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University. Now he works for a Moroccan airline." On Sept. 22, Associated Press reported that Alshehri had spoken to the U.S. embassy in Morocco.

"His photograph was released by the FBI, and has been shown in newspapers and on television around the world. That same Mr Al-Shehri has turned up in Morocco, proving clearly that he was not a member of the suicide attack." - Daily Trust 24th September 2001.

"He was reported to have been in Hollywood, Florida, for a month earlier this year but his father, Ahmed, said that Waleed was alive and well and living in Morocco." - Telegraph

"Another of the men named by the FBI as a hijacker in the suicide attacks on Washington and New York has turned up alive and well." - BBC 23rd September 2001.



Ahmed Al-Nami (Flight 93)

"I'm still alive, as you can see. I was shocked to see my name mentioned by the American Justice Department. I had never even heard of Pennsylvania where the plane I was supposed to have hijacked." He had never lost his passport and found it "very worrying" that his identity appeared to have been "stolen" and published by the FBI without any checks. The FBI had said his "possible residence" was Delray Beach in Florida." - Telegraph 23rd September 2001



Salem Al-Hazmi (Flight 77)

"Mr Al-Hamzi is 26 and had just returned to work at a petrochemical complex in the industrial eastern city of Yanbou after a holiday in Saudi Arabia when the hijackers struck. He was accused of hijacking the American Airlines Flight 77 that hit the Pentagon." - Telegraph 23rd September 2001.



Khalid Al-Mihdhar (Flight 77)

"Saudi officials at the embassy were unable to verify the whereabouts of the fifth accused hijacker, Khalid Al-Mihdhar. However, Arab newspapers say Al-Mihdhar is still alive.

"..... there are suggestions that another suspect, Khalid Al Midhar may also be alive." - BBC 23rd September 2001



Others accused of being involved:

Ameer Bukhari

"Ameer Bukhari died in a small plane crash last year." - CNN Correction

Adnan Bukhari

"Adnan Bukhari is still in Florida" - CNN Correction

Amer Kamfar

".... that a suspect sought by the FBI, Amer Kamfar, was in fact an alive pilot in Arabia. " - Wal Fadjri 21st September 2001 [translate]



Even after the above has appeared in the world's media the FBI has made no attempt to alter its web-sites which clearly list the wrong names, wrong photos, wrong identities and probably wrong nationalities of the real hijackers.

Given that the hijackers (if there were any) were clearly using false identities, why has the FBI never attempted to find out the hijackers true identities? Why does the FBI seem totally disinterested in apprehending the real culprits? This lack of action from one of our "trusted" government departments is very close to treason.



THE ARABS ARE NOT TO BLAME FOR THE WTC ATTACK.


The evidence is such that the only people we can be sure DID NOT carry out the WTC bombing are the Arabs.

The trouble with the case against bin Laden and the Arabs, so far, is that it is laughable. It is a joke.

1) The WTC attack, described as brilliantly planned and executed by professionals, who some how forget to acquire (easily obtainable) false driver's licenses for identification and, if you can believe it (and most people can not) used their real names when boarding the aircraft. The FBI suspect list was comprised using the assumption that those on the passenger lists had used their real names (real smart,.. these guys really earn their money eh?).

2) These same professionals, leave a car at an airport (which is found within hours of the attack,.. what a surprise!) with incriminating documents (a flight training manual in Arabic). Professionals, (actually any sane persons) not wanting their "ground support" to be compromised, would take taxis to the airports.

3) When it is established that many, if not all the hi-jackers were using false identities the FBI suspect list did not change (yeah, morons run the FBI).

4) One of the accused carries a passport on an internal flight (in case he wants to travel overseas after the attack).

5) This passport, originally in the accuseds luggage or on his person, rips through the suitcase or jacket, survives the fireball, punches a hole through the WTC and then flutters to the ground a few blocks away. Fortunately, the passport had the name of the accused on it and is generally in great condition, although apparently somewhat muddy.

6) One of the accused (Mohammed Atta) packs a suitcase (in case he wants to visit relatives for a few days after the attack) with a "how to be a terrorist in the US" document (just part of the professionalism, mentioned above) that just happens not to be loaded on the plane (so that the incriminating document survives,.. what a surprise!).

7) Mohammed Atta travels to Portland Maine to fly to Boston (why not drive straight to Boston) and transfer to the suicide flight. This is utterly unbelievable. This introduces a huge potential problem. What happens if his flight is delayed. How embarrassing for the so called leader of the terrorists, if he can't make his connection. That would throw a spanner in the works. Transferring flights like this offers no upside but huge downside, and is considerable evidence that Atta has been framed.

8) And do not forget that phone calls were made from the planes blamed the hijacking on Israelis (actually, they used the words "middle eastern looking" but we all know that many Israelis are very middle eastern looking).

These laughable "facts" which all point to the Arabs can be viewed as strong evidence that the WTC was not carried out by the Arabs. These nonsense "facts" all point to an event where someone is being framed.

From Arabs Not To Blame For 9-11 or Here.



WHO WAS REALLY FLYING THOSE PLANES ON 9-11?


Hours after the 9-11 attacks, authorities began to find clues conveniently left for them to stumble upon. The Boston Globe reported that a copy of the Koran, instructions on how to fly a commercial airplane and a fuel consumption calculator were found in a pair of bags meant for one of the hijacked flights that left from Logan. 64

Authorities also received a "tip" about a suspicious white car left behind at Boston's Logan Airport. An Arabic-language flight training manual was found inside the car. 65

How fortunate for investigators that the hijackers "forgot" to take their Koran and Arab flight manuals with them! Within a few days, all "19 hijackers" were "identified" and their faces were plastered all over our television screens.

Then, like a script from a corny "B" spy movie, the official story gets even more ridiculous. The passport of the supposed "ringleader" Mohammed Atta, somehow managed to survive the explosion, inferno, and smoldering collapse to be oh-so-conveniently "found" just a few blocks away from the World Trade Center! 66

It is obvious that this "evidence" was planted by individuals wishing to direct the blame towards Osama Bin Laden. How is it possible that Arab students who had never flown an airplane could take a simulator course and then fly jumbo jets with the skill and precision of "top-gun" pilots? It is not possible and the fact is, the true identities of the 9-11 hijackers remains a mystery. In the days following the disclosure of the "hijackers" names and faces, no less than 7 of the Arab individuals named came forward to protest their obvious innocence. 67

That's right! Seven of the nineteen "hijackers" are alive and well. They were victims of identity theft, some of whom had had their passports stolen. They were interviewed by several news organizations including the Telegraph of England. Here's an excerpt from David Harrison's Telegraph story entitled:

Revealed: The Men With Stolen Identities:

"Their names were flashed around the world as suicide hijackers who carried out the attacks on America. But yesterday four innocent men told how their identities had been stolen.
The men - all from Saudi Arabia - spoke of their shock at being mistakenly named by the FBI as suicide terrorists. None of the four was in the United States on September 11 and all are alive in their home country.
The Telegraph obtained the first interviews with the men since they learnt that they were on the FBI's list of hijackers who died in the crashes in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania.
All four said that they were "outraged" to be identified as terrorists. One has never been to America and another is a Saudi Airlines pilot who was on a training course in Tunisia at the time of the attacks. Saudi Airlines said it was considering legal action against the FBI for seriously damaging its reputation and that of its pilots." 68
(emphasis added)


The story of these identity thefts was also briefly reported by ABC 69 and BBC (England) 70 The FBI does not deny this. Nobody denies this fact because it is easily verifiable. Instead, the US media and government just ignore this inconvenient little fact and keep right on repeating the monstrous lie that the hijacker identities are known and that 15 of them were Saudis.

CNN revealed that FBI director Robert Mueller openly admitted that some of the identities of the 9-11 hijackers are in question due to identity theft. Here's what CNN reported on September 21:

FBI Director Robert Mueller has acknowledged that some of those behind last week's terror attacks may have stolen the identification of other people, and, according to at least one security expert, it may have been "relatively easy" based on their level of sophistication. 71

This opens up a whole Pandora's box of unanswered questions. First and foremost of which is this: why would Osama Bin laden, the Saudi Arabian caveman, steal identities? To cover his tracks you say? Next question: why would a Saudi Arabian, attempting to cover his tracks, steal the identities of....fellow Saudi Arabians??? What would be the point? Why go you through the trouble of stealing identities that would point back to you? Why not steal Greek identities, or Brazilian identities, or Turkish ones? A much more logical conclusion is that non-Arabs stole these identities as part of a "false flag" operation designed to point the blame at Arabs, and Saudi Arabs in particular.

What kind of a corrupt character is FBI boss Mueller? He initially admitted that false identities were involved with 9-11, but then he allows the media to keep naming these innocent, and alive, Arabs as the hijackers? Why doesn't he correct them? More on the slimy Mr. Mueller later on!

Now I'm really going to rock your faith in the false religion of 9-11. In February of 2000, Indian intelligence officials detained 11 members of what they thought was an Al Qaeda hijacking conspiracy. It was then discovered that these 11 "Muslim preachers" were all Israeli nationals! India's leading weekly magazine, The Week, reported,...........

From Stranger Than Fiction.

A listing of many articles on 9-11 is available here.



THE TWO ZIAD JARRAHS.


Ziad Jarrah is one of the best known of the 19 9/11 hijackers. What most people don't know, however, is that there were actually two Ziad Jarrahs: the one raised in Lebanon and who's picture has been widely circulated by the FBI, and the one that (may have) flown on Flight 93. The evidence of two is undeniable, and amazingly, we even have pictures of the second Jarrah......

Ziad Jarrah is not the only 9/11 hijacker to have a secret doppelganger. Although the FBI investigation and the mainstream media have consistently ignored the evidence and its implications, the evidence is often very clear. Numerous 9/11 hijackers are, in fact, still alive. To mention some of the more obvious cases.....

From The Two Ziad Jarrahs.



Try these for a little truth about 9-11.

HAVE YOUR SAY CONCERNING 9-11.

The following is a list of Talk Boards and some threads where you can discuss 9-11.

WWW.LIBERTYFORUM.ORG

I have never heard of anyone being banned from this Talk Board.

U.S. MEDIA RELEASES FAKED PHOTOGRAPHS OF 9-11 PENTAGON EXPLOSION.
THE WTC WAS DESIGNED TO SURVIVE THE IMPACT OF A BOEING 767, SO WHY DIDN'T IT?
THE OFFICIAL LIE (THE "TRUSS THEORY") IS LUDICROUS.
SIXTY STATE STREET (BOSTON) AND THE WTC TOWERS: A COMPARISON.
ABSOLUTE PROOF THAT THE WORLD TRADE CENTER WAS DELIBERATELY DEMOLISHED.
EVIDENCE OF EXPLOSIVES IN THE WORLD TRADE CENTER COLLAPSES.
BENJAMIN FREEDMAN PREDICTED 9-11 IN 1961, PRESCIENT EH?
MANY 9-11 "HIJACKERS" ARE STILL ALIVE AND WELL.
THE WORLD TRADE CENTER TOWERS COLLAPSE AS AN ENORMOUS INSURANCE SCAM.
SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION SECRET PROBE OF STOCK DEALINGS BEFORE 9/11
CHAPTERS ONE AND TWO FROM HUFSCHMID'S BOOK ON 9-11: PAINFUL QUESTIONS
THE JET FUEL; HOW HOT DID IT HEAT THE WORLD TRADE CENTER?
INVESTIGATION SHOWS CELL-PHONES CALLS FROM 9-11 "HIJACKED" PLANES, NEXT TO IMPOSSIBLE.
THE FEMA REPORT ON WORLD TRADE CENTER 7 COLLAPSE IS A TOTAL JOKE. The whole FEMA report.
THEY LIED TO YOU ABOUT WORLD TRADE CENTER SEVEN. The short version.
DOWNLOAD 16 MEGABYTES OF PICTURES AND INFORMATION ON 9-11.

911PI.COM

911pi.com is a hoax. It is more about hiding the truth about 9-11, than finding it.
You will have to read this farcical site to decide for yourself.
The people running the site feel that they can change or delete posts at will.
This site is a very sad JOKE and an insult to those killed on September 11, 2001.

THE WORLD TRADE CENTER TOWERS COLLAPSE AS AN ENORMOUS INSURANCE SCAM.
EVIDENCE OF EXPLOSIVES IN THE WORLD TRADE CENTER COLLAPSES.
THE JET FUEL; HOW HOT DID IT HEAT THE WORLD TRADE CENTER?
THE OFFICIAL EXPLANATION FOR THE WTC COLLAPSE IS A LIE
PROOF THE WORLD TRADE CENTER WAS DELIBERATELY DEMOLISHED.
THE FEMA REPORT ON THE WTC 7 COLLAPSE IS A TOTAL JOKE.
CHAPTERS ONE AND TWO FROM HUFSCHMID'S BOOK ON 9-11: PAINFUL QUESTIONS
32,000 TONS OF STEEL OF STEEL MISSING FROM EACH OF THE WORLD TRADE CENTER TOWERS?
CHAPTER 1. INTRODUCTION TO THE FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY (FEMA) REPORT ON WORLD TRADE CENTER COLLAPSE.
THE FULL FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY (FEMA) REPORT ON THE COLLAPSE OF WORLD TRADE CENTER SEVEN.
MEDIA RELEASES FAKED PHOTOGRAPHS OF EXPLOSION AT PENTAGON.
GRAPHICAL EXPLANATION OF THE PROBLEM AT THE PENTAGON.

WWW.DEMOCRATICUNDERGROUND.COM

Expect to be banned from this Talk Board.

FEMA REPORT ON THE WTC7
MANY OF THE 9-11 "HIJACKERS" ARE STILL ALIVE.
PROOF THE WTC WAS DEMOLISHED.
THE TRUSS THEORY OF COLLAPSE.
EVIDENCE OF EXPLOSIVES IN THE WTC COLLAPSE.


LIST OF ARTICLES ON 9-11.
Download the entire www.nerdcities.com/guardian site as one 16 MB file.

Click Here to download the file. Click Here if the first link is down.

Then open it with WinZip (Microsoft) tar -zxf (Unix) or Stuffit (Apple). Click Here For Help.

September the Eleventh 2001.

The World Trade Center.

The World Trade Center Demolition or Here 740 KB
Evidence of Explosives In The South Tower Collapse or Here or en Español 300 KB
Chapter 1 of the FEMA WTC Report: Introduction (with comment) or Here 850 KB
Chapter 2 of the FEMA WTC Report: The Twin Towers (with comment) or Here 1.8 MB
Chapter 5 of the FEMA WTC Report: World Trade Center Seven (with comment) or Here 1.3 MB
Microsoft Software used to simulate the crash of a Boeing 747 into the World Trade Center.
University of California, Berkeley Professor, Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl Testifies.
Table Of Contents for the FEMA World Trade Center Report.
Chapter 3 of the WTC Report: WTC 3.
Chapter 6 of the WTC Report: Bankers Trust Building.
Appendix B of the WTC-Report: Structural Steel and Steel Connections.
Appendix D of the WTC-Report: WTC Steel Data Collection.
The World Trade Center 7 Explosion Myth.
Photographic Evidence that they Lied About the Trusses or Here
The Jet Fuel; How hot did it heat the World Trade Center? or Here
Proof the Twin Towers were Deliberately Demolished or Here
Sixty State Street and the World Trade Center towers: A Comparison or Here

The Pentagon.

A Detailed Analysis of whether or not a Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon or Here 1.4 MB
Photos of Flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon are a Complete and Utter Fabrication or Here
The Bijlmer Crash - Joe Vialls - Caught in a Lie.
Carol A. Valentine Article Completely Wrong.
The Strange Case of the Sports Utility Vehicle at the Pentagon.
How the size of the plane in the "explosion" photo was calculated.
The Essence of the Problem or Here

Other.

Stranger Than Fiction (from www.whatreallyhappened.com) 600 KB
Evidence that the Arabs are Not to blame for the WTC attack.
Seismic Waves Generated by Aircraft Impacts and Building Collapses at the WTC or Here
Seismic Observations during the September 11, 2001, Terrorist Attack or Here
Many 9-11 "Hijackers" are Still Alive and Well or Here
Israelis arrested on suspicion of 9-11 involvement.
Sept 11th - Unanswered Questions By MalcontentX.
Collection of Eric Hufschmid's early articles. Clouds of Concrete
WTC Fireballs
Crummy Buildings
American Pride
Pentagon Plane Crash
Who blew up WTC?
Revenge
Manipulation
Censorship
Chapters One and Two from Eric Hufschmid's book Painful Questions (with comment) or Here
Investigation shows Cellphone Calls from 9-11 "Hijacked" Planes are next to Impossible or Here
The World Trade Center Towers collapse as an Enormous Insurance Scam or Here
Benjamin Freedman predicted the present push for WWW III in 1961, prescient eh? or Here

The Response, Or Rather, Lack Of It.

Air National Guard Mission And Vision Statement or Here
An example of Air National Guard efficency.
Where was NORAD on September Eleven?

Palestine.

Some Facts About Palestine or Here
Listing and Map of Land Ownership in Palestine in 1947.
Listing and Map of Towns and Villages Ethnically Cleansed/Destroyed by the Jews.
More on the Towns and Villages Ethnically Cleansed/Destroyed by the Jews or Here 570 KB
Time line of the Israeli aggression against the Palestinians in the 1948 war or Here
Brief articles on the 1948, 1956 and 1967 wars started by Israel or Here
Brief descriptions of some of the many massacres perpetrated by the Jews/Israelis or Here
Brief article on the Israeli attempt to ignite a civil war in Lebanon.
Arafat calls for democratic elections in the United States.
The Amazing Cost of Israel to the United States or Here
America should fight minorities and aliens the way Israel does!
The Day Israel Deliberately Killed 34 American Sailors.
Brief article on Israeli apartheid.
Israel wins Huge Victory.
Is Israel a Democracy?
Some Israeli War Criminals.
Some articles on the War Criminal Sharon.
The War Criminal Sharon. The Long Version.
The Chinese claim California as a Confucian Homeland.
God gave the Jews New York.
The Genocidal God of the Jews.
Some Zionist Fairy Tales.
Israel mugs the Palestinians.
Muslims base their claim to Palestine on History.
Jewish Terrorism.
Jewish Terrorism targeting the British.
Online Books about Palestine and the Jews.
What you can do if you care.

Other.

Why did the US develop the Space Shuttle when the Saturn 5 is so much better?
Why is the US developing the Delta rockets when the Saturn 5 is so much better?
Why is no one allowed to question the Holocaust?
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by XXX Tuesday, May. 06, 2003 at 9:59 AM

Honorable mention goes to Dio throwing out the doozy of "8 of the highjackers have been found to be still alive". Sorry, but that is what the media said!!!
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You've won

by fresca Tuesday, May. 06, 2003 at 2:34 PM

"Honorable mention goes to Dio throwing out the doozy of "8 of the highjackers have been found to be still alive". Sorry, but that is what the media said!!!"

The above not withstanding, as your lengthy waste of precious browser space has done nothing to even remotely back up Dio's hysterical assertion, I think maybe you've captured the top spot with the bold quip of "THE ARABS ARE NOT TO BLAME FOR 9-11".

That's a winner.

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Well frescoid...

by Diogenes Tuesday, May. 06, 2003 at 3:04 PM

...where's the beef. You add no substance and cast only aspersions. You make wild accusations yet produce no facts.

As is clearly documented in the public record the "Official Conspiracy Theory" has more holes than the proverbial "Swiss Cheese".

You whine, piss, and moan yet you provide nothing to buttress your position. You are engaged solely, and only, in disinformation.

What Arab hijackers?

Where is your proof that the Hijackers were even Arab, Indonesian, Aboriginal, or North European. There is NO EVIDENCE of any credibility that establishes the hijackers identity.

8 is the highest estimate I have read of the number of hijackers on the FBI's list that have been identified as still among the living. Even the BBC documents Six.

Your argument has no evidence, no weight, and no credibility.

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fresca

by fresca Tuesday, May. 06, 2003 at 3:18 PM

What are you talking about?

It's not my job to re-prove common knowledge to you. You can do that for yourself with minimal effort.

The issue is that you are deluded and have accepted a fallacy and the onus is on you to prove it as it contradicts simple fact.



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Frescoid's Fallacies

by Diogenes Tuesday, May. 06, 2003 at 3:24 PM

Common Knowledge: What Fresca would like you to believe.

Established Fact: We have told you the way it is now stop asking awkward questions.

Frescoid, you have challenged the accuracy of the above extremely well documented FACTS that absolutely refute the story you would claim as true.

Put up or shut up.

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Dioxinfleas

by daveman Tuesday, May. 06, 2003 at 3:29 PM

And you'll believe him and apologize for being wrong, correct?

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Since it is not going to happen...

by Diogenes Tuesday, May. 06, 2003 at 3:31 PM

...your hypothetical is absolutely irrelevant.

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It's up

by fresca Tuesday, May. 06, 2003 at 3:33 PM

Thousands before me have put up for me.

Don't hold your breath waiting for me to argue against the above crazy talk.

The "established facts" speak for themselves.

Arabs hijacked the planes.

Flew them into the buildings.

The buildings fell.

Zero evidence points away from this.

Try if you must but save us the crazy talk.

Actually, don't. It's very entertaining.

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There is no credible evidence...

by Diogenes Tuesday, May. 06, 2003 at 3:36 PM

...even establishing that Arabs were in the Planes.

If you have it produce it.

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OneEyedMan

by KPC Tuesday, May. 06, 2003 at 3:36 PM

Caducada, you forgot to claim victory and pat yourself on the back .....

...fuckin' asshair....

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Ok

by fresca Tuesday, May. 06, 2003 at 3:38 PM

I would have hoped you'd have grown a pair and done it for me but, alas....



I win (pats back)

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OneEyedMan

by KPC Tuesday, May. 06, 2003 at 4:20 PM

...bend over baby...I'll pat you on the back....

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by PRESENT EVIDENCE ON THIS FORUM Tuesday, May. 06, 2003 at 11:24 PM

Many claim there is proof that Arabs are to blame for the 9-11 disaster.

So far, not a single piece of non-contestable evidence has been presented to back up this outrageous claim.

Let these people concisely state their evidence on this forum,

1) so that, it is clear exactly what his evidence is,

2) so that, its accuracy can be debated,

3) so that, we can come to some conclusions as to whether Jews or Arabs or someone else was behind 9-11.

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for one

by FRESCA Wednesday, May. 07, 2003 at 12:26 AM

Bin Laden is an Arab.

His several videotaped boastings of the act can fairly enough be used as a confession.

Irrefutable.

Thread closed.

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And if you like big red letters

by fresca Wednesday, May. 07, 2003 at 12:28 AM

Bin Laden is an Arab.
His several videotaped boastings of the act can fairly
enough be used as a confession.
Irrefutable.
Thread closed.
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BTW

by fresca Wednesday, May. 07, 2003 at 12:31 AM

"as to whether Jews or Arabs or someone else was behind 9-11. "

I was waiting for this.

Took you all long enough to throw in some hatred of Jews.

Eventually, you all return to type.

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by THE BIGGEST LIARS ON THE PLANET. Wednesday, May. 07, 2003 at 1:49 AM

BIN LADEN DENIES
ALL INVOLVEMENT IN 9-11.

Bin Laden denies terror attacks and points finger at Jews. Annanova News.
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_410936.html?menu=news.latestheadlines
Bin Laden denies attacks as Taliban talks holy war. ABC news online Sept 17 2001.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2001/09/item20010917010639_1.htm
Bin Laden denies being behind attacks. JS ONline Milwaukee Jornal Sentinal Sept 16 2001
http://www.jsonline.com/news/nat/sep01/binladen-denial.asp
Osama Bin Laden claims terrorist attacks in USA were committed by some American terrorist group. Pravda Sept 12 2001
http://english.pravda.ru/accidents/2001/09/12/14910.html
Bin Laden Denies US attack says paper. Middle East News
http://www.metimes.com/2K1/issue2001-37/reg/bin_laden_denies.htm
Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks CNN sept 17 2001
http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/index.html
Bin Laden denies role in attacks. Newsday.Com Sept 17 2001
http://www.newsday.com/ny-wobin172369727sep17,0,7370581.story
Taliban says Bin Laden denied role in attacks. Yahoo news Sept 13 2001.
http://www.welfarestate.com/wtc/denies-reuters-taliban.htm
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FRESCA

by fresca Wednesday, May. 07, 2003 at 1:59 AM

YOUR RACIST! GO MARCH SOMEWHERE FOR SOME STUPID CAUSE.......

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and then again

by fresca Wednesday, May. 07, 2003 at 2:12 AM

LOL.

So I guess all those videotapes we all saw were phony huh?

By the way, nice work finding all those "denials" that were made by third parties less than a week after the bombings. Funny how those denials sorta petered out and were replaced by numerous boatings via video every couple of months.

Gotcha. Such easy targets.

Can't wait to see how you're going to spin this truth into a conspiracy.

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I

by daveman Wednesday, May. 07, 2003 at 2:25 AM

know the truth, and only the truth. Your cranky. Go to bed...

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The first Bin Laden Tape...

by Diogenes Wednesday, May. 07, 2003 at 3:28 AM

...was analyzed by a Swiss Firm that is one of the tops in the World. Their conclusion was that the tape was a phony.

If you compare the stills taken from the frames of the tape the Actor playing Bin Laden is a close facsimile but fails in several areas.

Do a Google on it there are plenty of good, cogent, analyses which point to the first tape being a very professional phony.

The second tape has not to my knowledge been given a professional analysis. The Swiss firm that did the first one declined to do the second.

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Diogenes

by daveman Wednesday, May. 07, 2003 at 3:34 AM

I'll leave the endless, pathetic searches for your wanna be truths up to you. Your BORING.!.

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Oh Lord

by fresca Wednesday, May. 07, 2003 at 8:09 PM

"stills taken from the frames of the tape the Actor playing Bin Laden"

It's come to this.

Unbelievable.

Dio, are you putting us on or are you really this out to lunch?

By your logic, how do we even know BL exists? Maybe we've never even seen him. Maybe it's all the same Psyops actor. Or maybe the real one exists and the way to spot the phony one is to look for any of the MANY videos where he admits and boasts about his responsibility for 9-11. All those are the fake ones right? The others are real.

Dio, you are too much.

What a dildo. LOL!!!!!

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Oh, spare me your...

by Diogenes Wednesday, May. 07, 2003 at 8:43 PM

...childlike ignorance frescoid. Either the Actor looks like known photos of Bin Laden or not. In this case it is not.

The film was analyzed by Pro's who know a little more about the subject than some silly self-panicing Shill.

You can make all the nasty comments you want. A fraud is still a fraud.

The Bush Junta has a credibility somewhere approaching negative infinity as a Limit.

Which is somewhat better than yours.

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But

by fresca Wednesday, May. 07, 2003 at 10:13 PM

Childlike ignorance is all I know. I am but a conservative.

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fascist fresca

by systemfailure Wednesday, May. 07, 2003 at 10:15 PM

But

Everyone here knows

you are a neo-con

fascist nationalist

bitch.....

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by Thought I had already posted it,... Sunday, May. 18, 2003 at 2:33 AM

Thought I had already posted the Bin Laden stuff last time I visited this site (it is somewhere above).

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LOVE IT!

by fresca Sunday, May. 18, 2003 at 4:20 AM

LOL. You guys are great!

All this talk of phony tapes and actors with the wrong nose has got you all in a tizzy.

Dio, you're the leader of the pack drowning in your chidish fantasies and taking that fat whitetrash Jew hater systemfailure with you.

You two wouldn't know a "junta" if it hit you with a hammer.

Keep up the phony bin laden stuff though. That shit is rich.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And by the way failure.

lynched any Jews or darkies lately out there in the valley?

You fucking pogue.

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When fresca gets a wedgy

by Grabber Sunday, May. 18, 2003 at 4:26 AM

She always does this.

Plays the standard mossad race bait.

But she's not too bright....

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Destroy all blacks and muslims

by fresca Sunday, May. 18, 2003 at 4:26 AM

I hate these people so much.

I mean, I was raped by my father

who was black and ever since then

I like to tell everyone that they are stupid.

I love to ride my dildoe that is shaped like a minaret.

It feels so good to get fucked by a muslim.

It feels so good because they are great lovers.

SOme times I rub Bacon Grease on my pussy

and let my dog "kikky" lick it off

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Chicken liver juice works much better

by peanut butter Sunday, May. 18, 2003 at 4:29 AM

and the dog enjoys it.

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fuck you asshole

by fresca Sunday, May. 18, 2003 at 4:34 AM

I didnt write that post.

It was probally some fag down at kobe hq.

PS

peanut butter?

Do you think Im that stupid to use peanut butter on my pussy instead of bacon grease?

FUCK YOU

Bacon grease is for my pussy, so the dog can fuck me afterwards.

Peanut butter is for my asshole.

I prefer "chunky" because i can "feel" it more.

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But... but

by Peanut butter Sunday, May. 18, 2003 at 4:39 AM

Can I grind up some fresca stuff in your waiting

rectum? I've got a 10 pound bag, fresca roasted.

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10 pounds!!! You asshole

by fresca Sunday, May. 18, 2003 at 4:48 AM

DO you think im some fucking ameture?

I have been stuffing things up my ass for over

25 years you fucking prick.

Imean yeah, the 10 pound thing is cool,BUT I WANT TO

GET OFF HARD o k?

I need at least a plunger with a honda tire on it

and then i rub my clit with tabasco.

sometimes i will borrow my friends dogs and have and

orgy with gallons of doggie semen all over me like some muslim bukkake film.

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Hmmmmm

by The conversation is definitely degenerating. Sunday, May. 18, 2003 at 8:06 AM

body {width:95%; text-align:justify;margin-left:auto;margin-right:auto} The conversation is definitely degenerating.

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It is, isn't it?

by It is, isn't it? Sunday, May. 18, 2003 at 8:11 AM

body {width:900; text-align:justify;margin-left:auto;margin-right:auto} It is, isn't it?

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I'm honored

by fresca Sunday, May. 18, 2003 at 1:39 PM

HEHE.

I'm honored that I command so much attention.

You flatter me.

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Fresca

by fresca Monday, May. 19, 2003 at 1:26 AM

Did U ever make a video while rubbing ur clit with tobasco sauce? You actually admit that... sell it for like 50 cents to Cows gone Wild.... If uve been doing that for years U must be some used and abused fat trailer trash cow who just needs the attention so she bitches on this thing. If I had to PROFILE U I would say ur around 200 pounds, white, live in a trailer or some small apartment (its filthy for sure) havent had sex, without having to pay for it for the good part of 6 months. You probably have 2 kids from different daddies, a dead end job and no social life.... YEP your the authorty on this subject... Yeah the whole world is envious of Americans JUST LIKE U

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Where are you from, Omar?

by daveman Monday, May. 19, 2003 at 9:38 AM

Stay there.

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speaking of which...

by Sheepdog Monday, May. 19, 2003 at 11:56 AM

those highjackers...

what CAN'T they do?

evade video or disappear...

mind meld with the pilots to produce a vulcan skill

at aerobatics....

evade detection at security with all sorts of boxcutters....

and now they resurrect themselves at will.

be afraid....

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Dont worry Dave

by Omar Monday, May. 19, 2003 at 10:33 PM

Im in no hurry to come to Israel. Pity u cant say the same thing about jew bags like ur self. Their like vermin all over the world. Is there any race on the planet that doesnt hate them.

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Gee, Omar...

by daveman Monday, May. 19, 2003 at 11:16 PM

...you don't even make any attempt to hide your hatred of Jews.

Usually, on Indymedia, they hide it behind anti-Zionism, while claiming to not be anti-Semetic.

But not Omar! You charge right on in and stand up with your hatred wrapped around you like a disdashi!

What size dynamite belt do you take?

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Is this what you are saying daveman?

by TFBayonet Monday, May. 19, 2003 at 11:24 PM



"Usually, on Indymedia, they hide it behind anti-Zionism, while claiming to not be anti-Semetic."

SO==people that are anti zionist are

anti-jew, or anti-semetic?

Is this what you are saying daveman?
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No, I'm saying...

by daveman Monday, May. 19, 2003 at 11:27 PM

...they mask their Jew-hatred (anti-Semitism) behind anti-Zionism.

Understand?

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No, i dont understand what you are saying

by TFBayonet Monday, May. 19, 2003 at 11:31 PM

...they mask their Jew-hatred (anti-Semitism) behind anti-Zionism.

Do you know the difference between the catagories?

People that are anti-zionist are not necessarly anti semites.

ZIonism is based on jewish supremacy

just as Naziism is based on white supremacy.

Militant islam is based on religious supremacy.

I think you should retract your above statement

or

explain it to me a little better......

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Good grief!

by daveman Monday, May. 19, 2003 at 11:38 PM

Yes, know the difference. If you do, you should be able to understand this simple concept:

Most posters on IndyMedia, and the Left in general, hate Jews. But to give their hatred an air of legitimacy, they claim to be anti-Zionist. Don't you know that's all the rage amongst the Left these days?

But I have to correct you: Zionism is a belief that Jews deserve a homeland of their own. It makes no special claim for supremacy. This is another lie the Left tells to make their hatred more palatable.

Now, if you can't handle that much truth at one sitting, perhaps you need to just step away from th keyboard for a while.

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hey, that was pretty funny!!!

by TFBayonet Monday, May. 19, 2003 at 11:49 PM



Most posters on IndyMedia, and the Left in general, hate Jews. But to give their hatred an air of legitimacy, they claim to be anti-Zionist. Don't you know that's all the rage amongst the Left these days?

But I have to correct you: Zionism is a belief that Jews deserve a homeland of their own. It makes no special claim for supremacy

ARE YOU SERIOUS?

THIS IS WHAT YOU THINK ZIONISM IS?

I knew that the state of education in america was dismal, but i had no idea it was this bad..

Why do you lump together all people into one group?

I dont think that it is an accurate portrayal of the people here.

Most people on the left hate jews?

That ends it for me....

You are obviously uneducated.

So if i said that to end the problem of whites, then i said we should advocate a homeland for whites only, what would that make me?

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Still...

by Sheepdog Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 12:12 AM

ya gotta admire those ' arabs' and stuff.

magical super terrorists, with a mission.

because they hate our freedumbs.

National Lampoon used to make this stuff up

with the likes of O' Rourke. HaHa, sob.

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Let me see if...

by Diogenes Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 12:27 AM

...I got this straight. Jews who oppose Zionism and it's Crimes are Anti-Semitic?

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Exactly!

by daveman Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 2:18 PM

Now you've got it!

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what a fucking hypocrite....

by Omar Tuesday, May. 20, 2003 at 3:20 PM

you really are a jew of the worst kind which brings me back to my point that jewbags like urself have different standards for themselves and different standards for others. In atleast two columns I have read comments from u saying that israel should wipe out the palestinians. Am I hurting ur feelings by cursing down the race of u and ur ancestors. When ur not holding back why do u want me too... is it cuz ur a JOOOOO. I was always under the impression that when people who are good natured suffer they go out of their way to protect other people so that they dont have to suffer the way they did, because they know how it feels.... but not if ur a fucking JOOBAG. He'll make sure he will rob and steal because in the end he thinks that his wealth will protect him. However history has shown the jews again and again and again that when u dont treat other people with dignity and give them their rights they will get even the first chance they get. Its happening right now in Israel. Who the fuck in their right mind would wanna live in Israel? living their is like walking in a mine field and its all cuz people like Daveming think they will crush the palestinians.. HAA!!! hasnt happened in 50 years... as for what size belt i wear my waist is a 34, how much property tax do u pay on your nose?

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