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you won't "accept slavery in any form" . . .

What do you suppose we do about the millions enslaved in Castro's island prison, the millions held as slaves in the Sudan and other parts of Africa, the millions enslaved by Kim Il Jung in N. Korea?

...those people aren't in "slavery", they're willing participants in the Glorious Revolution (tm)!

Only the evil capitalists have slaves.

...of course, people who have jobs.

Revolutionaries collect unemployment.

Although I am not a communist,

I believe that the person is trying to expose the evils of capitalism

and promote trade unions where the workers have a say in thier lives.

Technically, daveman, you being in the Air Force, you are a slave.

If you go out and do somthing that harms you, you can be repremanded

for "destroying government property".

If you refuse orders, you may be jailed, or in wartime executed.

THe "communist" way of thinking in relation to capitalism is that

the workers who make the owners wealthy, are justified in

earning an applicable wage that sustains a suitable and justfiable

standard of living.

Paying someone minimum wage is essentially slave wages.

Not providing health benefits is the same.

Most dedicated workers who are doing thier best to promote

a company and do good work deserve to be treated as equals.

A stronger society is guaranteed if the workers are happy.

"If you go out and do somthing that harms you, you can be repremanded

for "destroying government property".

If you refuse orders, you may be jailed, or in wartime executed."

And I knew all that when I volunteered...and then reenlisted 3 times. Gonna do it again in a couple months, too. How do you volunteer for slavery?

"THe "communist" way of thinking in relation to capitalism is that

the workers who make the owners wealthy, are justified in

earning an applicable wage that sustains a suitable and justfiable

standard of living."

And under communism, who determines that "suitable and justfiable

standard of living"? The workers? As communism has been practiced, no. The workers, with few exceptions, don't even get the choice of what jobs they will have.

"A stronger society is guaranteed if the workers are happy."

Undoubtedly. But communism, as historically practiced, does not have happy workers.

Do you really think it will be different when the Worker's Paradise comes to America?

DO you know what indentured servitude means?

trade unions are not essentially communistic in the true sense of the ideology.

Union representatives are democratically "elected" to speak for the people.

If they, as a collective, wish to oust thier leader, they can at any time.

The people vote within thier own faction about what is fair.

It think that the article dealt with the social/ communist ideologies of trade unions and

workers unions in the US.

the unions are a "guarantee" to the workers against oppression,

this work in the same manner as

when the government enforces environmental and tax issues

with the corporation. (protects against abuse)

the people are able to have a say in that is just and what is not.

(protects against abuse)

Voluntary enlistment in the armed forces is indeed similar to indentured servitude. I agreed to serve for a specified period in return for money and other benefits. However, my contract may not be sold to another "master", nor are other restrictions common to the servitude contracts placed on me. And it is in no way a form of slavery.

Your comments on trade unions are correct. They are designed to protect the interest of the workers. Companies that have a partnership relationship with their unions, rather than an adversarial one, will fare far better than the "us vs. them" types.

I visited the web site linked to in the original post. It has nothing to do with trade unions; it is indeed a site filled with communist propaganda. Sad, really. When will people realize that it Just. Doesn't. Work? The Wall fell down, folks. It was there to keep people in, not to keep people out. I'll leave the reason for that as an exercise for the student.

‘Companies that have a partnership relationship with their

unions, rather than an adversarial one”

... is known as a company or management controlled “union”.

A total sham in which the employees are given what the management

feels is ‘cost effective’ and is not in the interests of the workers.

Kinda like our ‘republic’ where we get to vote for people already selected

for us by a group of wealthy selfish monied interests to forward policy that

benefit their own agendas.

There are other examples of internal control.

When the CIA or FBI investigates itself.

When the major polluters agree to comply with emission standards on a

voluntary basis.

When the dealer in a card game is using its own marked cards.

Conflict of interests is the name of the game.

If people felt they were trapped in a "2 choice" political system imposed from a small clique of moneyed people thy could have voted him President, or any other candidate from outside of the 2 main parties.

Same for state representatives.

No one is trapped here, if the will was there, if people were genuinely oppressed they have the freedom to vote the 2 main parties out.

When the 3rd party candidates are not allowed to participate

in a national debate, you get the following answer,

'Ralph Nader, was he running?'

This is called restricted venue controlled by a few mega

media giants.

Like being able to eat at buger king or fat donnalds because

no one else is allowed to advertise their product.

People who were unaware of Ralph Nader probably didn't even bother to vote - a lot of people have no interest in politics.

If people were genuinely suffering under an unjust government the word would soon spread. Especially nowadays, with the internet.

The majority of internet usage is for commercial enterprises

and there is still a minority of people who have access to a personal computer.

However, my contract may not be sold to another "master", nor are other restrictions common to the servitude contracts placed on me.

Would military servitude in relation to "UN peacekeeping" such as Bosnia or even Iraq (violating UN statutes), be similar to being sold to another master?

Are you free to leave at any time, or travel beyond certain boundries without permission?NO

Are you free to dress or wear "faddish" hair styles? NO

Can you be jailed or fined for violations or the above offences? Yes



In any event, this really dosent pertain to the original discussion.....

Like i said, im not a communist, nor endorse the above mentioned website.

And once again, I knew all that when I volunteered.

And no, assignment to a a joint UN peacekeeping force would not be my contract being sold...you lovely American taxpayers would still be signing my paycheck.

As for the rest, if you work in a coprorate environment, you're pretty much subject to the same restictions, are you not?

Nice to know you're not a communist. Some of the other people here, I'm not so sure about...