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'I deserted Saddam's army'

by Draoi Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 6:25 PM
draoi99@yahoo.co.uk

Iraq had a huge army, but only a fraction of its soldiers were killed or captured during the war. Hamed Nissam was one of those who took off his uniform and simply melted away.

I was a tank driver defending Basra. It was a very old Russian tank, made in 1969.

Because of the Americans' technological advantage, we were sure that we could not survive the war. We were horrified by the prospect of meeting them in battle.

I was very afraid of being bombed, but I was also very afraid of Saddam's regime. Our officers treated us very harshly.

I had seen the leaflets dropped by the Americans and British telling us to surrender. They said that if we did not put up a fight we could save our lives.

Our officers found some of my colleagues with these leaflets. These men were immediately sent to the front line where it was very dangerous.

Reading the Americans' advice to surrender helped me to decide to give up fighting.

I had been in the army for three years and eight months. It was a very hard life. There was a lack of food and water, our uniforms were poorly-made and dirty, and the salary was bad.

When we eventually engaged the British and American troops in battle, they proved to be very brave as they advanced towards us



There was no rest. Some officers would only let us go home on leave if we gave them money. I had not seen my family for four months before the war.

On the second day of the war, the enemy airplanes flew over to attack us. Our guns immediately proved themselves to be useless to defend against them.

We quickly concluded that none of our weapons would help us defeat the Americans.

When we eventually engaged the British and American troops in battle, they proved to be very brave as they advanced towards us. There was really no comparison between us.

Our commander told us that we could resist the invading Americans. But by this time I was far more scared of the US and Britain than I was of my own officers.

I was afraid of the superior tactics of the US Army, but what really concerned me were the helicopter gunships.



"None of our weapons would help us defeat the Americans"

These helicopters eventually came to bomb my unit. Many of my colleagues were killed, along with the commander who told us we could win.

The deaths of my comrades was a tragedy. I was very sad that they had to die in this way.

On the sixth day of the war, the helicopters came again. It was raining, so I saw the opportunity to slip away from my tank. I changed into civilian clothes, held up a white flag and ran back to my family home in Basra.

I am glad the British and Americans invaded. I now have my freedom from the regime; they saved us from Saddam.

The British Army has even given me a job working in their headquarters in Saddam's Basra palace. Washing floors for the British Army is better than fighting against them for the Iraqi Army.



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Good Propaganda - Sad Story

by mediawatcher Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 8:33 PM

A very persuasive piece of propaganda used to justify imperialist agression. Hopefully when this young man gets back to his community and realizes the death, destruction, and famine that his people have suffered under the coalition forces, he'll think twice about that gloating comment about the US and British as he scrubs those floors.

But we can't totally blame someone for thinking irrationally when they've got a gun pointed at their heads.

I thought the BBC was above this kind of knee-jerk human interest material...oh well.



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Simple

by Simple Simon Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 8:41 PM

And just what is wrong with propaganda? It serves us conservatives well.

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BBC, yeah, but....

by India Icons Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 8:48 PM

Came out in the second week publicly stating that they would need to be cautious about any information that came from CENTCOM as many articles proved to be false, and/or alleged fabrications.

BBC was attempting to save its worldwide rep. Nevertheless, the statement that this man is making is his own, and it makes a nice storyline. It certainly isn't any confirmation --that is, when a mil team has air, land, sea, and space dominated, it is pretty damn hard to believe you have a chance of winning.

Makes me happy that the guy wasn't killed, and might be able to improve his life from the drudgery of being a conscript... ...then again, occupation and domination isn't anything new to him. mopping an imperialist floor beats driving a tank into certain death.

--at least for the short time?

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Propoganda

by Scottie Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 9:00 PM

Serves theliberals(lefties) well also..

especially them

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Simple

by Simple Simon Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 9:04 PM

"especially them"

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

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Heretic

by St. Karl Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 9:18 PM

Do not question leftist dogma!!! You shall be cast into the pit of despair.

The US toppling of the Ba'ath party can only be an evil, emipirialist act.

All who disagree are blasthphemers.

Our faith will not tolerate facts.

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Heretic

by St. Stephen Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 9:22 PM

Do not question rightest dogma!!! You shall be cast into the pit of despair.

The US invasion of Iraq can only be a good, liberating act.

All who disagree are blasthphemers.

Our faith will not tolerate facts.

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That's interesting

by lancer Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 9:27 PM

I heard that the tortures of Saddams old police force are

being reinstated by the American military. Some change.

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lancer

by Conservative Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 9:29 PM

"I heard that the tortures of Saddams old police force are being reinstated by the American military. Some change."

Our faith will not tolerate facts.

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Torture?

by India Icon Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 9:30 PM

I didn't know that the police force tortured folks. I thought that was left up to the security services? could you have your "Iraqis" confused?

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X

by occasional writer Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 9:45 PM

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occasional writer

by St. Karl Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 9:47 PM

"Too many conservatives posing here. Go somewhere else, assclowns."

Where? Kindergarten?

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Propoganda

by Scottie Friday, Apr. 25, 2003 at 8:07 AM

The far left (as represented here on indymedia) IS propoganda.

Without propoganda it would not exist.

This time round they have picked a fight where the facts are so heavily stacked against them that even their well renowned skills of selling rubbish to the masses cannot win the day for them.

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"But it's not propaganda...

by daveman Friday, Apr. 25, 2003 at 9:17 AM

...if it's TRUE.

"Well, I can't really prove it, but I found some links that hint at it...

"And I belive it because it fits in with what I already believe that also isn't based on facts.

"So with overwhelming evidence like that, how can you disagree? YOU'RE A PAID SHILL!! Your opinion is

worthless because it doesn't agree with mine! And if you disagree with me again, I'll invoke the First

Amendment, which I obviously don't know is not

applicable here! FASCIST OPPRESSOR!

"So, what are you wearing to the spontaneous protest planned for tomorrow? I have a cool Bush mask that's

got a Hitler moustache on it. I feel it

perfectly sums up my oh-so-informed opinion of world events."

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If all else fails......change the story

by systemfailure Friday, Apr. 25, 2003 at 9:28 AM

This story is irrelevant.

The united states went to war to find "hidden" WMD.

They violated the un security council

to enforce the resolution

because Iraq was not letting inspectors

search for WMD.

This war was never about liberation of Iraqis.

this "fluff" is designed to take your mind off the

real reason we invaded

-------------to find WMD.

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Hi all

by fresca Friday, Apr. 25, 2003 at 10:12 AM

Gotta run

Just wanted to pop in and

remind everyone

what a simpleton SFailure is.

That's all.

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"They haven't found WMD yet...

by daveman Friday, Apr. 25, 2003 at 10:52 AM

...so they NEVER will!"

Yeah, right, sf.

"And when they do, I won't believe it!"

Nope, you won't. Can't have anything prove us wrong, can we?

How often do you have to repeat this crap to yourself so you keep believing it?

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daveman

by Hypocrite Slayer Friday, Apr. 25, 2003 at 1:45 PM

Funny how Bush refuses to let the UN into Iraq to do their work, isn't it? Oh, I forgot, you're a conservative. UN bad, very bad.

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Simple

by Simple Simon Friday, Apr. 25, 2003 at 1:54 PM

Tell you what, Slayer.

We'll let Has Blix and his merry band into Iraq just as soon as Castro lets a UN human rights inspector into Cuba.

Mmmmkay?

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Memo to Simple Simon

by George W. Bush Friday, Apr. 25, 2003 at 1:57 PM

Thanks, Simon. Where should we plant those WMD's?

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Simple

by Simple Simon Friday, Apr. 25, 2003 at 2:06 PM

The WMD's will be found. And you will deny the evidence. This is not a surprise.

So desperate are you not to see the great virtue in the removal of a homicidal madman, you blithely skip over mass graves and torture chambers to castigate the President about failing yet to find WMD, or failing to protect a museum.

You don't want to talk about how the North Koreans suddenly see the virtue in multilateral arms talks, you don't want to see how the Syrians have been chastised. But don't worry, my little black blockhead, there will be reason to take to the streets yet.

A little hint: Iran is being a bad, bad boy.

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Simon

by Rascist Slayer Friday, Apr. 25, 2003 at 2:08 PM

"...my little black blockhead..."

Gee, you're not a rascist, ARE you?

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Simple

by Simple Simon Friday, Apr. 25, 2003 at 2:16 PM

No, I am not.

You however, are an idiot.

Black Blockhead refers to members of the anarchist Black Block.

I await your apology.

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Simon

by Simpleton Slayer Friday, Apr. 25, 2003 at 2:20 PM

It's Black BLOC, you buffoon. You are not owed an apology. I will, however, loan you a white bedsheet for your next KKK rally!

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We know

by Romper Room Friday, Apr. 25, 2003 at 2:21 PM

We know they got them. Georgie told us so.

Got em', Got em, got em, I have faith, got em', he wouldn't lie, got em', what WMDs are you talking about we're there to liberate Iraq.

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Simple

by Simple Simon Friday, Apr. 25, 2003 at 2:36 PM

Oh, my. I've inserted a "k" at the end of Black Bloc.

My most sincere apologies.

Now, where is your retraction for calling me a racist?

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Simon

by Simpleton Slayer Friday, Apr. 25, 2003 at 2:43 PM

You're NOT a racist? Yeah, right, and Ariel Sharon ISN'T a zionist.

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Simple

by Simple Simon Friday, Apr. 25, 2003 at 2:49 PM

I am not a racist. You are, however, an insult-flinging slanderer.

Which makes you a perfect 'progressive'.

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Simon

by Simpleton Slayer Friday, Apr. 25, 2003 at 2:54 PM

You are, however, an insult-flinging slanderer. Which makes you a perfect 'progressive'.

WRONG! It makes me a perfect 'conservative.' All conservatives know how to do is fling insults. I'm just giving you a taste of your own medicine. You don't like it, do you? Too bad.



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Simple

by Simple Simon Friday, Apr. 25, 2003 at 3:21 PM

I ask again, do you have anything of substance to say?

Or are you just killing time until the WB plays 'baywatch' reruns?

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Simon

by Hypocrite Slayer Friday, Apr. 25, 2003 at 3:31 PM

"I ask again, do you have anything of substance to say?"

Oh, and YOU do? Don't make me laugh.

"Or are you just killing time until the WB plays 'baywatch' reruns?"

Oh, yeah, like Fox News is more respectable than the WB? Again, don't make me laugh. I'll bet that you don't even know what channel PBS is on in your market. You, of all people, do not need to be questioning what other people watch on television.

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Simple

by Simple Simon Friday, Apr. 25, 2003 at 4:58 PM

I own a television. It is not hooked up. I use it to watch DVD's on occasion.

So you see, I am eminently qualified to criticize the viewing habits of couch potatoes like yourself. I don't watch ANY television.

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Simpleton Simon

by Hypocrite Slayer Friday, Apr. 25, 2003 at 5:08 PM

"So you see, I am eminently qualified to criticize the viewing habits of couch potatoes like yourself."

Oh, you have ESP? When is the next earthquake going to hit LA?

"I don't watch ANY television."

Did I say that I did? My, how you love to assume.

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Simple

by Simple Simon Friday, Apr. 25, 2003 at 5:09 PM

Your mouth keeps moving but all I hear is blah blah blah..

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Simpleton Simon

by Hypocrite Slayer Friday, Apr. 25, 2003 at 5:15 PM

Then maybe you should buy some q-tips?

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hs

by eli Friday, Apr. 25, 2003 at 5:21 PM

>Then maybe you should buy some q-tips?

Hypocrite Slayer

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eli

by Hypocrite Slayer Friday, Apr. 25, 2003 at 5:26 PM

Veni, vidi, vici.

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hs

by eli Friday, Apr. 25, 2003 at 5:33 PM

non liquet

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eli

by Hypocrite Slayer Friday, Apr. 25, 2003 at 5:38 PM

Non sequitur.

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hs

by eli Friday, Apr. 25, 2003 at 5:42 PM

Look you fucking dumbass

You said: I came, I saw, I conquered.

I said: The case is not clear (that you came,saw and conquered ANYTHING).

What don't you follow, you sad sack of shit!?!

Let's start over.

Hypocrite Slayer

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eli

by Hypocrite Slayer Friday, Apr. 25, 2003 at 5:45 PM

Non suquitur=UNWARRANTED CONCLUSION.

"you sad sack of shit!?!"

My, you are quite the hypocrite.

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by / Friday, Apr. 25, 2003 at 5:47 PM

CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG

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hs

by eli Friday, Apr. 25, 2003 at 5:56 PM

>>Non suquitur=UNWARRANTED CONCLUSION.

Non sequitur = It does not follow

Hence, the "What don't you follow" in the question,

>"What don't you follow, you sad sack of shit!?!

It is said "verbum sat sapienti", which leaves you out of the equation.









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Simple

by Simple Simon Friday, Apr. 25, 2003 at 6:21 PM

Don't get him started, Eli. He knows Ad Nauseum and Ad Hominem and maybe E Pluribus Unim ( a stretch, but maybe).

Mostly he's talented at mindless naysaying and screetching "fascist" or "racist" any time his argument starts to fail.

Not that I'm any damn good at Latin either.

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Simpleton Simon

by Simpleton Slayer Friday, Apr. 25, 2003 at 6:28 PM

"Mostly he's talented at mindless naysaying and screetching "fascist" or "racist" any time his argument starts to fail."

Simon deduces this from one mere post. Pure hysterics.

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Simple Simon

by eli Friday, Apr. 25, 2003 at 6:31 PM

No worries.

I toy with this one on several levels. Then when I'm done, I stuff him back in the toybox. He'll be here tomorrow to play with if I wanna.

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eli

by Hypocrite Slayer Friday, Apr. 25, 2003 at 6:36 PM

Definition of: non sequitur

non sequitur: It does not follow; AN UNWARRANTED CONCLUSION.

It is said "da locum melioribus," so move over.

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eli

by Hypocrite Slayer Friday, Apr. 25, 2003 at 6:38 PM

"Then when I'm done, I stuff him back in the toybox."

And then you crawl back under your rock.

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hs

by eli Friday, Apr. 25, 2003 at 6:43 PM

"da locum melioribus"

When speaking of my relationship to you, "cela va sans dire."

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non sequitur

by Hypocrite Slayer Friday, Apr. 25, 2003 at 6:50 PM

Poor, little conservatives. They just can't admit when they're wrong.

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