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by Joe Goebbles
Tuesday, Apr. 22, 2003 at 4:01 PM
General Maher Sufyan, the head of the Republican Guard, was allegedly spirited away from the Al Rasheed airstrip, in south-east Baghdad, to an unknown location, according to the French newspaper Le Monde and the leading Arab news channel Al Jazeera.
CIA's Golden Victory - US Bribed Iraqi Military Leaders
Republican Guard generals betrayed Saddam Hussein in return for huge payments in cash and gold, it emerged last night. In so doing, they allowed the Allies to seize Baghdad virtually without a fight.
Resistance around the capital from six Republican Guard divisions just melted away because the senior commander of Saddam's elite troops defected and ordered his men to give up or go home.
He was spirited away by a United States Apache helicopter to a secret location. The astonishing revelations of the double-dealing at the heart of Saddam's inner circle expose the immense contribution made to the coalition campaign by undercover squads of SAS special forces.
Working hand-in-hand with MI6 and CIA paramilitaries they were responsible for buying off factions of Saddam's henchmen.
The Joint Special Operations Task Forces have been operating undercover since before the war, contacting Iraqi military, intelligence and secret police leaders to make them change sides.
The teams carried suitcases full of gold bullion, US dollars, Swiss francs and euros to buy off regime leaders, and threatened to kill those who refused to cooperate.
The same techniques had been refined in Afghanistan where Operation Jawbreaker led to the defection of senior warlords.
General Maher Sufyan, the head of the Republican Guard, was allegedly spirited away from the Al Rasheed airstrip, in south-east Baghdad, to an unknown location, according to the French newspaper Le Monde and the leading Arab news channel Al Jazeera.
Intelligence sources have told strategic analysts Stratfor that senior Republican Guard generals and commanders from the Special Republican Guard and the Iraqi security services betrayed Saddam and revealed his location on two occasions, leading to the "decapitation" raids designed to assassinate him and his senior men.
They then cut a secret deal agreeing to surrender in the second week of the war and sabotaged the attempts of Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz and Vice President Taha Yassin Ramadan, two of Saddam's key henchmen, to fight on.
They only discovered the betrayal when US forces passed Karbala in the "red zone" around Baghdad.
In the days before the battle that never was Allied commanders at Central Command in Qatar boasted that they were in contact with senior Iraqi civilian and military leaders.
They have since admitted that a reward system exists to buy information on the whereabouts of the most wanted war criminals and the location of weapons of mass destruction.
US commanders have been unable to show any pictures of Republican Guard troops and their equipment destroyed in the advance. Yesterday US Brigadier-General Vince Brooks said he was "not aware" of the deal with Sufyan, but he admitted: "We know there are a number of military formations that chose not to fight for the regime.
"We do deal with leaders that are out there - either local leaders, tribal leaders or in some cases military leaders."
He hinted that those who had cooperated with the coalition may not lose their jobs.
"There will be former military members who will have a role to play in a future Iraq, " he said.
Saddam and his son Qusay, who was the overall commander of the Republican Guard, may have been killed or so severely wounded in the first "decapitation" raid on the first night of the war that they lost control of the troops.
Saddam's other son Uday is thought to have survived. Sources say his presence accounted for the stiff resistance from Fedayeen fighters under his command in the first two weeks of the conflict.
Allied commanders dismissed reports that Saddam is holed up in his birthplace north of Tikrit.
Maher Sufyan is not included in the "deck of cards" handed to Allied troops to help them hunt down the Iraqi regime leaders. Popular Information Minister Mohammed Saeed Al Sahaf, nicknamed Comical Ali, is not on the list either, fuelling specualtion he too may have cut a deal.
Source: Express/UK
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by I Claudius
Tuesday, Apr. 22, 2003 at 4:02 PM
All celebrate the military triumph. Or else.
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by Simple Simon
Tuesday, Apr. 22, 2003 at 4:46 PM
Forsooth, Claudius, "or else" what?
Remember thou art mortal.
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by daveman
Tuesday, Apr. 22, 2003 at 4:51 PM
So: we're scum for paying off military leaders to split, therefore saving many lives on both sides.
If we hadn't paid them off, there would have been very bloody battles, and we'd be scum for killing so many people.
Can't have it both ways.
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by US Taxpayer
Tuesday, Apr. 22, 2003 at 5:26 PM
Thanks Dubya, you scumbag. Thanks for making a few Iraqi generals rich while our school system suffers. Of course, I know how threatened you are of an educated populace.
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by Simple Simon
Tuesday, Apr. 22, 2003 at 7:48 PM
Judging by the content of your post, I suppose we could use more funding for education.
And for mental health.
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by Bush Admirer
Tuesday, Apr. 22, 2003 at 7:51 PM
Way to go, Simon. Whenever we conservatives don't have anything intelligent to say, we can always resort to character assassination. It really shows how desperate we are. Great job!
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by reason
Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 2:31 AM
Hey 'US Taxpayer',
The schools are funded by state taxes. The military is funded by federal taxes.
Duh.
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by fresca
Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 4:30 AM
"Republican Guard generals betrayed Saddam Hussein in return for huge payments in cash and gold, it emerged last night. In so doing, they allowed the Allies to seize Baghdad virtually without a fight. " As Daveman has already pointed out, this seems like an entirely brilliant humanitarian effort. Who could possibly have anything against this other than the murderous supporters of the failed barbaric Sadam regime. Thanks for printing even more good news about this perfect war.
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by systemfailure
Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 8:41 AM
The teams carried suitcases full of gold bullion, US dollars, Swiss francs and euros to buy off regime leaders, and threatened to kill those who refused to cooperate I guess the neocons have no problem with bribery and blackmail. Saving lives? Who's lives? Americans fighting an illegal war. Please dont insult our intellegence and pretend that the CIA was doing any "humanitarian" favors for the Iraqis. They were doing favors for the upper echelon Military officials to desert thier countrymen and sabotage thier citizenry. Kinda like when we A-bombed Japanese civilians to save American lives eh?
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by daveman
Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 8:44 AM
Mostly, Iraqi soldiers. Many Iraqi civilians, too, who would certainly have been killed in extensive ground fighting, which you would have been screaming about.
You can't have it both ways. The payoffs were a good thing.
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by The Voice of Reason
Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 1:10 PM
Hey "reason,"
State governments currently have budget deficits. The federal government has the ability to bail them out, as it can borrow money (unlike state governments). Instead, Dubya chose to enrich a few Iraqi generals while our public school system continues to crumble.
DUH.
Why are you so threatened of an educated populace?
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by daveman
Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 1:54 PM
...BY an educated populace?"
Nothing to worry about from the Voice of Alleged Reason.
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by The Voice of Reason
Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 2:02 PM
I have a PhD. What does the glorified latrine scrubber known as "daveman" have? A GED?
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by fresca
Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 2:04 PM
"The teams carried suitcases full of gold bullion, US dollars, Swiss francs and euros to buy off regime leaders, and threatened to kill those who refused to cooperate " To the extent that any of this is even true, here's a few pointers. This was a war asshole. I guess you don't know how that works. Let me fill you in. Our guys were there to kill their guys. We were gonna kill these regime leaders anyway. Buying them off saved lives in the process of the reaching the real goal which was to keep these scumbags alive so that they might be interrogated. Hopefully to whatever extent is neccessary. When you say this sounds "criminal" you betray your fucking paranoid teenage mentality. Get your head outa your ass cracker.
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by fresca
Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 2:05 PM
You can lose an argument without bringing ME into it.
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by daveman
Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 2:10 PM
...someone on the internet, with no way to prove it, claims to have a PhD, while posting like a 14-year-old.
Gosh, I'm impressed.
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by The Voice of Reason
Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 2:12 PM
I'm unimpressed with your display of immaturity. I happen to be 30 years-old, you psychic wonder.
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by Voice of irritation
Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 2:23 PM
Q -I have a PhD. What does the glorified latrine scrubber known as "daveman" have? A GED?- A -To much time on its hands while living on my taxes.
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by daveman
Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 2:24 PM
...has nothing to do with emotional age...as you keep proving.
I don't care if you're impressed with me or not. At least I'm not claiming to be a PhD and looking goofy.
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by daveman
Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 2:25 PM
I do like living on your tax dollars. I love being a sponge.
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by daveman
Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 2:25 PM
"Q -I have a PhD. What does the glorified latrine scrubber known as "daveman" have? A GED?- A -To much time on its hands while living on my taxes."
Thanks for the paycheck!
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by daveman's wife
Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 2:26 PM
No, you look goofy WITHOUT "claiming to be a PhD."
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by bull
Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 2:26 PM
the whole story is bullshit to begin with. "He was spirited away by a United States Apache helicopter to a secret location" The apache is not a transport and only has two seats so did our beloved general hold onto the bottom. having flown these I know for a fact they would never let an enemy officer ever even get close to an apache.
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by daveman
Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 2:27 PM
You are so incredibly obvious. You're faking me, Bush Admirer, Jesus, and everybody else here.
So, this is proper behaviour for a PhD, Voice of Alleged Reason? What'd you get your doctrate in...tantrums?
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by The Voice of Reason
Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 2:29 PM
"Emotional age?" What a dolt!
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by The Voice of Reason
Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 2:31 PM
I'm not "faking" anyone. I got my doctorate in psychology. A psychic, you are not.
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by daveman
Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 2:35 PM
That's funny.
I'm REAL impressed; did I mention that?
So: since you're a psychologist, I'm supposed to consider your opinion on world affairs is somehow more reasoned and consideered than anyone else's?
Gosh...i just can't do that.
Furthermore, your denigration of the education of others, about which you know nothing, suggests a deep-seated sense of inferiority and a lack of self-esteem.
You get that diagnosis for free.
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by The Voice of Reason
Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 2:39 PM
"So: since you're a psychologist, I'm supposed to consider your opinion on world affairs is somehow more reasoned and considered than anyone else's?"
Oh, and YOURS is? Don't make me laugh.
Your illogical drivel all over this website suggests a deep-seated sense of simple-mindedness and a lack of insight.
You get THAT diagnosis free.
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by daveman
Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 2:43 PM
...waving around a PhD of debatable existence and pretending to be an expert?
Nope.
"..deep-seated sense of simple-mindedness and a lack of insight."
VERY impressive headshrinker terminology.
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by The Voice of Reason
Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 2:46 PM
"But have you seen me ... pretending to be an expert?" YES. "VERY impressive headshrinker terminology." I'm sure that I would be impressed with your potato-peeling technique.
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by daveman
Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 2:55 PM
...not a doctor.
I don't know what you're trying to prove, unless it's that you're not nearly as educated as you claim to be.
Maybe you're trying to claim that anyone who can get hold of the tuition can get a doctorate?
Maybe you can get your student loan money back. Just go to the bank and speak to them for a few minutes; they'll realize you didn't get what you paid for and give you a refund. Take your receipts.
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by The Voice of Reason
Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 4:00 PM
...not intelligent.
"I don't know what you're trying to prove, unless it's that you're not nearly as educated as you claim to be." And what are YOU trying to prove? That the US military will accept ANYONE?
"Maybe you're trying to claim that anyone who can get hold of the tuition can get a doctorate?" If that were true, then YOU would have a doctorate, too.
"Maybe you can get your student loan money back. Just go to the bank and speak to them for a few minutes; they'll realize you didn't get what you paid for and give you a refund. Take your receipts." I worked my way through school. It's kind of like being able to walk and chew gum at the same time. I know that is a task that would require great ability on your part, but you should try it some time.
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by daveman
Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 4:19 PM
...for a doctor, you have really lousy people skills.
"I know that is a task that would require great ability on your part, but you should try it some time. "
Ha ha! Is that from your dissertation?
Look, Skippy. You don't impress me. Your insults have zero - count 'em, zero - effect on me. Your continued sneering remarks about the education of others merely shows just what a snotty guy you are.
I pity your patients...assuming you actually have any, of course.
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by The Voice of Reason
Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 4:25 PM
"Ha ha! Is that from your dissertation?" I'm surprised that you even know what a dissertation IS.
"Look, Skippy. You don't impress me. Your insults have zero - count 'em, zero - effect on me." Oh, and do you actually think that YOU impress ANYONE? Do you actually think that YOUR insults have ANY effect on ANYONE?
"I pity your patients...assuming you actually have any, of course." I'm a professor, you imbecile. I I DID have any patients, THEY'D be pitying YOU.
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by daveman
Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 4:33 PM
I'm not here to impress anybody. (You can tell because i don't wave around an alleged PhD.)
"I'm a professor, you imbecile."
Well, that explains it.
Those who can, do; those who can't, teach."
"I I DID have any patients, THEY'D be pitying YOU."
You may as well be shouting, "I know you are, but what am I?"
What school do you indoncrin...I mean, teach at? So I can forbid my children to go there...
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by The Voice of Reason
Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 4:40 PM
"What school do you indoncrin...I mean, teach at? So I can forbid my children to go there..." No need to worry, your children are destined for a GED. They won't be able to gain admission.
"You may as well be shouting, "I know you are, but what am I?"" I don't shout. You see, emotion and logic don't go together. Not that you know anything about logic.
Those who can, do; those who can't, enlist in the Air Force.
"I'm not here to impress anybody." Good because the only thing you are doing is making people laugh.
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by daveman
Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 5:26 PM
"Good because the only thing you are doing is making people laugh."
That's why I'm here, you idiot!
I sure didn't come here for the scintillating conversation.
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by The Voice of Reason
Wednesday, Apr. 23, 2003 at 6:24 PM
"That's why I'm here, you idiot!" Hypocrisy epitomized. The court jester calling SOMEONE ELSE a buffoon.
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