Please join us on Sunday for an open
discussion on Anarchism and the current
Anti-War movement. Everyone is welcome as we
hope to bridge the gaps between all walks of life.
We are aiming to help each other gain a greater
understanding of what Anarchism means to all of
us, and it's place in the current Anti-War struggle.

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Anarchism has no place in America. Please take it overseas (and yourself with it). I'd suggest Zimbabwe or Rwanda. Can you leave tomorrow?

Everything.
Just ask him and he will tell you so.

Not true. I don't know everything.

But I do know have a comprehensive understanding of Anarchism. Consider me one of the world's experts on the topic. I am also an expert on Marxism and Communism.

All three are in the same category. They really really suck.

When you study world history and the evolution of society, it becomes clear that there have been a few significant inventions which have allowed mankind to progress.

The invention of language was huge. And the wheel, the wheel was oh so important. Gunpowder was an invention that changed the world. The internal combustion engine was another landmark invention. Ships and airplanes were also huge inventions. And more recently, the computer and the internet were oh so important. to mankind's progress. All of these pale in comparison to mankind's most important invention which would be Capitalism.

It's Capitalism that has enabled us to become an advanced society with a high standard of living.

We all loved the inventions capitalists gave us.
Time clocks, for one thing! And so many other
good things.

If you look at those countries where Capitalism hasn't been embraced, you're looking at poverty.

Cuba comes to mind. The Soviet Union comes to mind.

China is moving beyond poverty now that they're embracing Capitalism. I think it was envy of the success they could see in Taiwan and Hong Kong that turned the trick.

When you observe a country that has embraced Capitalism you see Chile, America, etc. High standards of living, economic prosperity, and a good future are what we get with Capitalism.

Capitalism in America isn't perfect because there are some polluting influences. Organized labor comes to mind along with the Democrats. If we could get rid of organized labor and the Democrats America could really rock and roll.

"We all loved the inventions capitalists gave us.
Time clocks, for one thing! And so many other
good things."

What? Are you in some way trying to insinuate that timeclocks are a symptom of Capialism alone? Don't people work under other economic systems? Or are they simply so overworked and underpaid and generally shit on that keeping track of hours toiled away is fruitless. That's what you must have meant.

What tiny american tools.

Is the summit of human endeavor.
Vast bodies of knowledge exist in the realm of accumulation
of labor and material units to acquire more labor and material credit units. This will ensure our collective racial survival in the event of natural catastrophe while
conserving essential resources. And all the time improving
the quality of all living within and effected by the supreme
laws of capitalism. That's why we don't need the most feared military the world has ever paid for to spread this
natural concept of time and energy to all the people of the world. Thank you.
It is all so logical.

Could you please point out to me a successful anarchist government?

No, I didn't think so.

The Makhnovschina insurgent army of the Ukraine held up against the Bolsheviks and the White army, and most people like to use the Spanish Civil War's militias for much the same. Oh, and anarchists dun have governments. They have organizational structures though.

But BA, your comparison of the Soviet Union and Cuba to the US completely ignores that the majority of the world is capitalist, as well as poor. Capitalism didn't invent gunpowder, humans did. Humans can invent in all types of environments.

Capitalism is not the same thing as a free lunch. It is the playing field which provides the opportunity for individual players to score touchdowns and make a success of themselves and their country.

There are many examples of successful people and successful countries were Capitalism has flourished.

Communism and Socialism, on the other hand, have no successes to their credit, only dismal failures.

Take a fourth rate dictator like Fidel Castro, add goon squad headed up by a thug like Che Guevera, and sprinkle in some left wing ideology --> You have a surefire formula for complete economic failure of society.

Way to go, Bush Admirer. Whenever we conservatives don't have an argument, we can always resort to the trusty "if you don't like it, leave."

the things is that capitalism as it exists in the dense heads of right wing idealogues doesn't actually exist in the real world. "actually existing capitalism" functions similarly in to "actually existing socialism": through massive public investment in the economy. the diference is that in capitalism the benefits of the subsidization are massively concentrated in a tiny portion of the population, instead of being distributed for the general good.

in the US, the biggest form of public subsidization of private wealth comes through spending a billion dollars a day on the military. this is the american nanny state -- a nanny state for the giant corporations and the wealthy. it's the big public teat funded by the general public on which the "capitalist" elite suckles. the publicy funded military-industrtal complex props up the civilian "capitalist" sector -- civilian ailiners, computers, etc. are derived from their military counterparts.

re. cuba, etc.: despite being subject to an unbelievably crippling embargo by the US, cuba still has the highest standard of living in central america, far ahead of their capitalist counterparts. and one thing few mention deriding russia, china, etc. is that at the time of communist revolution these were basically third world non-idnustrialized countries. the soviet union was able to accomplish in one generation what took the west 200 years -- to become a modern industrial state (the socond most powerful in the world). in fact, that was one of the big fears during the cold war, that socialism offered "modernization within one generation" and so was much more appealing to third word populations than capitalism, which just couldn't compete.

...is that Plutocracy and CRONY-Capitalism are what we have. With the Pseudo-Socialist Policies - benefitting the insiders the Bush Junta is not a Champion of "Laissez Faire" (which literally means hands off).

True Laissez Faire Capitalism, if you take the time to research it's real meaning, is much more akin to Anarchism than it is to the heavily controlled Crony Plutocracy of the United States in 2003.

As always Bush Sycophant is being dishonest by simply sucking up to the Party Line given him by his Masters.

He's very good at Sucking.

nah, i'll let george bush do that -- that way you can both commiserate on your tiny, tiny penises.

"The difference is that the benefits of hard work and achievement go to the individual entrepreneurs and achievers in Capitalism."

yeah right, as exemplified by george w. bush, an alcoholic, coke-head, draft-dodging, drunk-driving, layabout, convicted criminal and utter moron -- one whose never done a real day's work in his life. a perfect example of real capitalism in action. if capitalism really rewarded hard work, achievement and entrepreneurship, bush would be COMPLETELY FUCKED, instead of the multi-millionaire ruler of the most powerful nation on earth.

the fact is -- and this has been verified times and again through empirical study -- the biggest determinant of how rich you will be is how rich your parents are. sure you can find a tiny handful of individuals who under capitalism managed to claw their way to riches, just as under feudal society there were occasionally commoners who became aristocracy or wealthy merchants. in fact, i'd wager that a serf in feudal europe had a better chance of becoming wealthy than does a poor person in modern capitalist america.

it's one of the great american mythologies that a bum on the street has the same opportunies as the child of a multi-millionaire. and, frankly, it's completely fucking ridiculous.

...capitalism, is with hard work, YOU TOO can be "an alcoholic, coke-head, draft-dodging, drunk-driving, layabout, convicted criminal and utter moron -- one whose never done a real day's work in his life."

Live the dream!

Can I count on your support when we invade Syria? I'll give you the finest coke.

From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.

The above describes an economy of which I do not care to be a part.

If Mr. A (wife & 2 kids) works in the field and produces 100 units per day, and Mr. B (wife & 4 kids) works in the same field and produces 60 units per day, they do not get compensated according to how much they produced under such an economy. Because Mr. B has more "need" (2 more kids), he will receive more than Mr. A, and Mr. A is supposed to be OK with that.

No. That don't work. That's not liberty. That's not freedom. That's slavery.

From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.

The above describes an economy of which I do not care to be a part.

If Mr. A (wife & 2 kids) works in the field and produces 100 units per day, and Mr. B (wife & 4 kids) works in the same field and produces 60 units per day, they do not get compensated according to how much they produced under such an economy. Because Mr. B has more "need" (2 more kids), he will receive more than Mr. A, and Mr. A is supposed to be OK with that.

No. That don't work. That's not liberty. That's not freedom. That's slavery.

Breaktime is over. Go punch in and clean the restrooms. The urinals need new scentcakes.

Well, you may not be poor anymore, but you're still uneducated.

Believe me son, when you own and operate your own business like I do, no job is too big or too small. It's all part of the package. And the rewards of owning your own business is well worth all the ups and downs.

Now, if Mr. A is working just to help support what Mr. B can't do on his own, then you got Mr. B ( the less productive) owning Mr. A ( the more productive). Is that what you want, Mr. B-type pesonality?

com, shut the fuck up and pay your taxes. You can clean out the Slushie machine later.

>pay your taxes

That's for the little people, like you.

Oh, you are so prescious. I hate those "little people," too. Cheating on my taxes really turns me on. I just love letting other people foot the burden. It's what makes us conservatives great.

I know exactly what to say to piss you off.

hehehehe

Me, pissed off? Not hardly. Like I said, cheating on my taxes turns me on. Do you even know who I am? Are you THAT ignorant?

>Are you THAT ignorant?

Only liberals are ignorant....and stupid, etc...

Tell Harry I said Hi. Ooops, he's dead.

Whenever we liberals have nothing intelligent to say or add to the conversation, which is 100% of the time, we always resort to posting under other peoples names because we're too embarrassed to let people know that what we posted is what we really believe.

Thanks for being one of our most loyal viewers. We distort, you comply.

Whenever we liberals have nothing intelligent to say or add to the conversation, which is 100% of the time, we often resort to blaming others for our own posts because we’re too embarrassed to let people know what we really believe. Also, it’s important when adding comments on any subject here at LA-IMC that we get in “The Last Word”, because in our fragile, egg-shell, childlike minds, we actually believe that winning has nothing to do with engaging in intelligent debate, but rather ensuring that at the end of every conversation we are the last to post. Posting “The Last Word”, while having no foundation in reality (Why should we change now?), makes us feel really warm and fuzzy inside, like we actually won.

Life is precious to us all on this journey
Inside all of us a love that gives exists
Brevity of life demands we find our inner peace
Everyone must do their part for their fellowman
Remember those who have gone on before
Always caring for others before self
Love that had no beginning and no end
Sharing truth with those around us
Always pressing onward towards tomorrow
Reflecting on the peace we strive onward
Ever inching closer to our goal
Simply wanting a better world for our children
Others may jeer and jest at our motives
Saying things to tear and break us down
Truth cannot be quiet
Upon the mountains and in the valleys we shout
Peace to all and love for all mankind
Inside us all is love’s abounding message
Deliver us all to hope and peace and love.

And so true!

Not only that, but I also know how to stiff these dupes for cash. What a racket!

So do I! And I get all the free donuts I want!

And so true, especially the part about people like me. And Noamy, you just scratched the surface of the willing. There's so much more to be had, all begging.