Mr. Bush You Have Soiled Our Flag With The Blood of Children: http://www.ericblumrich.com/PD.html

...should not go unnamed.

A pathetic load. Where's your little Macromedia Flash video shaming Hussein?

You're a bunch of lop-sided mother-eFers.

...Airic. I guess I should not be surprised at your lack of humanity. You have to date not given me any reason to accuse you of having any.

Make your own Hussein Flash.

The problem you have in this debate though is that nobody denies that Hussein is an evil Bastard. It's just that you keep staying in deep denial that Bush is no better.

"The problem you have in this debate though is that nobody denies that Hussein is an evil Bastard. It's just that you keep staying in deep denial that Bush is no better."

You still got it DIO! Priceless!

more neocon rubbish from fresca...in the end it is still only a con

go spout your hate and death somewhere else.

Nope. You all need me. Plus you're all too much fun.

...Airic. I guess I should not be surprised at your lack of humanity. You have to date not given me any reason to accuse you of having any.

Make your own Hussein Flash.

The problem you have in this debate though is that nobody denies that Hussein is an evil Bastard. It's just that you keep staying in deep denial that Bush is no better.

"The loud little handful will shout for war. The pulpit will warily and cautiously protest at first.... The great mass of the nation will rub its sleepy eyes, and will try to make out why there should be a war, and they will say earnestly and indignantly: "It is unjust and dishonorable and there is no need for war."

Then the few will shout even louder.... Before long you will see a curious thing: anti-war speakers will be stoned from the platform, and free speech will be strangled by hordes of furious men who still agree with the speakers but dare not admit it...

Next, the statesmen will invent cheap lies...and each man will be glad of these lies and will study them because they soothe his conscience; and thus he will bye and bye convince himself that the war is just and he will thank God for a better sleep he enjoys by his self-deception." -- Mark Twain

You haven't to date explained to me why you claimed the resolution passed by Congress giving GWB the blank check for going to war with Iraq, did not contain what you claimed it did...

I was waiting for a Troll...

by Diogenes • Thursday March 27, 2003 12:07 PM



...to take the bait Airic. The authorization passed by Congress was:

A. Conditioned on the existence of proof that Iraq took part in the 911 attack. No such proof exists.

http://www.c-span.org/resources/pdf/hjres114.pdf

Don't think I've forgotten or overlooked your blatant lies.

Support your argument or FUCK OFF!

Don't hold your breath. He's infamous for throwing out crazy assertions and then claiming that those who call him on it are either "Psyops" or trolls. His positions are always indefensible, therefore you'll never get a response from him when challenged.

...but can you read?

Airic you are nothing more than a little pimple on your Fuhrer’s ass. Well you moron it took me about 45 seconds on Google to come up with the following - something you could have done at any time were you actually interested in the truth, honor, or decency:

And I quote:

“S.J.Res. 23 | H.J.Res. 64

Joint Resolution

To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.

Whereas, on September 11, 2001, acts of treacherous violence were committed against the United States and its citizens; and

Whereas, such acts render it both necessary and appropriate that the United States exercise its rights to self-defense and to protect United States citizens both at home and abroad, and

Whereas, in light of the threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States posed by these grave acts of violence, and

Whereas, such acts continue to pose an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States.

Whereas the President has authority under the Constitution to take action to deter and prevent acts of international terrorism against the United States.

Resolved by the Senate and the House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE

This joint resolution may be cited as the"Authorization of Use of Military Force"



Link to full text: http://www.c-span.org/congress/useforce.asp

Let me repeat the first line of the bill a couple of times just to make sure you have an opportunity to understand what it says:

To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.

To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.

To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.

To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.

To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.



And so Moron (apologies to natural morons as opposed to the self-imposed vartiety) please cite in the text of this authorization or in the Constitution of the United States, to which your beloved Fuhrer swore and oath to uphold and defend, where it grants the President the authority to launch a Pre-emptive War of Agression?

Notice the phrase: “To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.”

No link none, nada, not any, absolutely none whatsoever, has ever been credibly shown to exist between Saddam Hussein and the attack conducted on 911.

It does not exist.

And so you sycophantic little pimple in words which have stood the test of time: Fuck off and die you brain dead little weasel.

As for you fresca - keep trying you might yet grow up enough to become a brain dead weasel. You're half way there.

... watching dio school yall is better than prime time

thanks d you're a class act.

Undercover Investigation has found Saddam's Evil Twin!

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The above was NOT posted by me.

"To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.

Whereas, on September 11, 2001, acts of treacherous violence were committed against the United States and its citizens; and

Whereas, such acts render it both necessary and appropriate that the United States exercise its rights to self-defense and to protect United States citizens both at home and abroad, and

Whereas, in light of the threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States posed by these grave acts of violence, and

Whereas, such acts continue to pose an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States.

Whereas the President has authority under the Constitution to take action to deter and prevent acts of international terrorism against the United States.

Resolved by the Senate and the House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

"

To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.

To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.

To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.

To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.

To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.

Thanks Dio for yet again proving that you can't be trusted with a fact.

Allow me to quote, "Whereas, on September 11, 2001, acts of treacherous violence were committed against the United States and its citizens; and

Whereas, such acts render it both necessary and appropriate that the United States exercise its rights to self-defense and to protect United States citizens both at home and abroad,

"

Clearly this is giving the power to use force in an act of self defense, NOT merely as an act of retribution. Our self defense depends not only on dealing with those responsible for past acts but also those deemed threats in the future. Now you may not consider Iraq a threat but that's immaterial. Your views are meaningless and notably irrational (see any post by DIO concerning his ridiculous unfounded, undefended and utterly unverified theories on 9-11 and Waco). The resolution in no way limits the use of force to only those responsible for the actions of 9-11-2001. You know it and I know it. So please, give it up. You're embarrassing yourself.

You and your lapdogs (sheepdog, the Ohio redneck and a few others) have formed a confederacy of dunces.

And so Airic - in my previous debate with you I did cite one resolution - the response to 911. Now you had HJ - 114 in mind so let us dispose of it here:

While HJ Resolution 114:

As for HJ Res 114 which was predicated and passed on False Information a few points:

“Whereas the efforts of international weapons inspectors, United States intelligence agencies, and Iraqi defectors led to the discovery that Iraq had large stockpiles of chemical weapons and a large scale biological weapons program, and that Iraq had an advanced nuclear weapons development program that was much closer to producing a nuclear weapon than intelligence reporting had previously indicated;”

Prior to the Attack the Weapons inspectors and the IAEC had both given Iraq a clean bill on Nuclear Weapons. They had none. The most anyone could come up with were some personal documents kept by 1 Scientist and some Aluminum Tubing which the IAEC said could not be used for Nuclear Weapons production.

“Whereas members of al Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq;”

But no link was shown between Saddam and Al-Qaeda - the only Al-Qaeda members known to have been in Iraq were in Kurdish Controlled territory. Bin Laden has excoriated Saddam on more than one occasion and called him an Infidel.

“Whereas Iraq's demonstrated capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction, the risk that the current Iraqi regime will either employ those weapons to launch a surprise attack against the United States or its Armed Forces or provide them to international terrorists who would do so, and the extreme magnitude of harm that would result to the United States and its citizens from such an attack, combine to justify action by the United States to defend itself;”

This is not true. He had no known stockpiles nor any reliable means of delivering them if he did. Further he gave no indication whatsoever of any desire to attack the United States.

“Whereas on September 12, 2002, President Bush committed the United States to 'work with the United Nations Security Council to meet our common challenge' posed by Iraq and to 'work for the necessary resolutions,' while also making clear that 'the Security Council resolutions will be enforced, and the just demands of peace and security will be met, or action will be unavoidable';”

No U.N. authorization for the Attack was ever passed by the security council.

“Whereas Congress has taken steps to pursue vigorously the war on terrorism through the provision of authorities and funding requested by the President to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such persons or organizations;

Whereas the President and Congress are determined to continue to take all appropriate actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such persons or organizations;

Whereas the President has authority under the Constitution to take action in order to deter and prevent acts of international terrorism against the United States, as Congress recognized in the joint resolution on Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40);”

As I covered in my previous Post there is no known link between Saddam and 911.

“1) strictly enforce through the United Nations Security Council all relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq and encourages him in those efforts; and

(2) obtain prompt and decisive action by the Security Council to ensure that Iraq abandons its strategy of delay, evasion and noncompliance and promptly and strictly complies with all relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq.”

Note condition number 2 - the U.N. Security Council Opposed by a majority the War of Aggression on Iraq.

“(1) SPECIFIC STATUTORY AUTHORIZATION- Consistent with section 8(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution, the Congress declares that this section is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization within the meaning of section 5(b) of the War Powers Resolution.”

While it has never been tested in court Legal Scholars I have read are generally of the opinion that the War Powers act is Unconstitutional as only Congress has the Constitutional authority to Declare War. The President’s Authority is only to respond to an attack pending Congress meeting.

However if you accept the War Powers act as valid, which it is currently recognized to be, then the following comes into play:

“Nothing in this joint resolution supersedes any requirement of the War Powers Resolution.

This means Bush cannot ignore any requirements of the War Powers Resolution of 1973 when determining what is "necessary and appropriate". So what does the War Powers Resolution say about this? Section 9(d)(1) states:

(d) Nothing in this joint resolution--

(1) is intended to alter the constitutional authority of the Congress or of the President, or the provision of existing treaties; or

So what existing treaties address the issue of attacking other nations? Two immediately come to mind: the UN Charter and the Nuremberg Charter.

The Nuremberg Charter says that it is a crime to plan a war of aggression. Many people believe that Bush is the aggressor in this situation. Iraq has made no threats or attacks against the United States. They have simply built weapons to defend themselves from attack. They are also cooperating, albeit begrudgingly, with the United Nations. Bush, on the other hand, has surrounded Iraq with a huge military force and has threatened to destroy Saddam Hussein and much of Iraq in the process. Bush has also labeled the UN as irrelevant.

The UN Charter states that "All Members shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means...". War can be used but only as a last resort and only under the direction of the UN Security Council.

So if Bush attacks Iraq without UN permission then he will be in violation of the UN Charter, the Nuremberg Charter, HJR114, and indirectly the Constitution. These are ground for impeachment. “

So, regardless of which Resolution you cite this war is illegitimate.

Either way you lose(r).

And fresca - you are "logic chopping". Look up the term. I shan't explain it to you.

Brilliant propaganda piece! 3 million Iraqis died at Hussein's hands since 1973 and you never uttered a word of outrage until someone had the guts to stop it. Your lack of compassion for the 3 million and your moral idiocy are truly stunning.

Does that # include the people who have died since 1991 via US death waepons? Or are you saying that Saddam is in control of American satellited guided death bombs too?

Why do we even have satellites controlling bombs anyways? Are the soldiers too stupid, or doesn't the Pentagon trust them enough?

Let's say it does, Parmenides. What are the stats? Then tell me if you can make a serious moral equation between the majority of the people we're killing (Fedayeen, Republican Guard, etc.) and those Saddam has killed.

From the WHO website, http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs257/en/

"...because DU is only weakly radioactive, very large amounts of dust (on the order of grams) would have to be inhaled for the additional risk of lung cancer to be detectable in an exposed group. Risks for other radiation-induced cancers, including leukaemia, are considered to be very much lower than for lung cancer. "

And: "No reproductive or developmental effects have been reported in humans."

From the Kosovo WHO report, http://www.who.int/ionizing_radiation/pub_meet/Report_WHO_depleted_uranium_Eng.pdf

"Scientific and medical studies have not established a link between exposure to

depleted uranium and the onset of cancers, congenital abnormalities or serious toxic

chemical effects on organs."

"No convincing evidence is available to indicate any health impacts to the Kosovo

population associated with the use of depleted uranium."

"There have been claims of congenital malformations following the Gulf War, which have

been thought to be associated to depleted uranium. These claims have not been

substantiated and there are presently no peer-reviewed studies of that association." That's because Iraq has refused to allow UN personnel in to check on claims of DU-caused health effects. Other studies suggest Saddam's use of chemical weapons is responsible for the increase in birth defects and cancers in Iraq.

As for why we are using satellite-guided munitions, there are two reasons: Greater accuracy and the ability to strike in any weather. The greater accuracy minimizes civilian casualties.

Russia illegally sold Iraq GPS jammers, in violation of UN sanctions. We took them all out. The last one was destroyed with a GPS-guided weapon. Hope Saddam kept the receipts; maybe he can get his money back.

The WHO. Loved Keith Moon, probably the hottest drummer that ever shredded a stretched skin.

The World Health Organization, however, is the instrument of death by

the ruling class. What insolence to site them in a health study.

It was the W.H.O. which performed the Hepatitis B serum vaccine study in

Africa and caused the epidemic of AIDS in that continent; see:

http://educate-yourself.org/vcd/vcshepbvaccineoriginofhivaids18jul02.shtml

‘Depleted’ Uranium is leathal if inhaled over the period of time it takes to

have its alpha partical emiting properties cause cancer,to

say nothing about its chemical toxicity see:

http://www.stopnato.org.uk/du-watch/

This is a nice deeplink.

And finally, daveman, your shit is weak. and predictable from a weasel

posting crap from the 4th riech spin crew.

Thanks for brightening my day with your post. Love to read what you have to say.

But he's better looking.

Thanks, Sheepdog Fan.

Sheepdog is to stupid to get up and oput of the way when pissing and crapping.

By someone who can't tell the difference between 'to'

and 'too'.

One of the elementary grade schoolers is pretending to be me. You know I love you and would not have posted the Sheepdog shitting.

So, wanted you to know just like most of us on here, I love you, too. (See....I got it right!!!)

XOXOXOXOX,

Sheepdog Lover

Yes, I know it wasn't you.

But awww, I am blushing, I just watch the flock.

Of course I love you too.

LOVED the joke links...educate-yourself and stopnato. Very funny! It took someone a lot of time to come up with that much farce. Very commendable.

Oh...you were serious?

"And finally, daveman, your shit is weak. and predictable from a weasel

posting crap from the 4th riech spin crew. "

Well, THAT put me in my place. You are quite the master of debate. And isn't the 4th Reich Spin Crew a Neo-Nazi rap group?

You do realize, don't you, that The X-Files is just a TV show and not a documantary?

Font color="brown">Sheepdog's daily Breakfast.

Whenever we liberals have nothing intelligent to say or add to the conversation, which is 100% of the time, we often link to our sources which always turn out to be organizations or individuals which claim absolutes based upon extemely shakey research if they even bother to do that. We swallow it hook, line and sinker because it upholds what we want to already believe.

"...we often link to our sources which always turn out to be organizations or individuals which claim absolutes based upon extemely shakey research if they even bother to do that. We swallow it hook, line and sinker because it upholds what we want to already believe."

Not unlike yourself.

We traced your ISP, Dork. Better get in your SUV and boogie!!! Hahahahahaha....you are so dumb and we caught you!!!

Hahahahaha....Funny Stuff really got to you!!! ROFLMAO. You are so lame.

More stuff

The little oops....

-He said that because of the risk of contracting AIDS which spreads through body fluid vaccines prepared from serum of infected patients were being viewed with suspicion. -

http://www.healthlibrary.com/news/25-30dec2000/safer.htm

-Soon after the AIDS epidemic was recognized in 1981, medical scientists realized that 90 percent

or more of victims were also infected with hepatitis B. Before the AIDS virus was identified, some

researchers blamed the hepatitis B virus directly for AIDS.

http://www.aegis.com/news/sc/1988/SC881010.html

for daveman ( I know HE watches X Files, although I don’t watch TV)

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=34&contentid=185

-In the October 2000, issue of the esteemed American Journal of Public Health, Dr. Stephen Kunitz, considered among America1s most prominent medical sociologists, concluded much like Africa1s most esteemed medical sociologist and psychiatrist, Dr. Adeoye Lambo

(Dean of the Faculty of Medicine at the University of Ibadan, Nigeria),

that where capitalism, colonialism, and "WASP (White Anglo Saxion

Protestant) directed globalism" goes, the expected and consistently observed outcome is the mass killing of native populations.-

http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/aids-coverups/Vaccine_Induced_Pandemic.html

HA HA HA HA!!

conspiracyplanet.com? Yoou have GOT to be kidding me!

But what's even funnier is that you cite them as a credible source.

Tell me...do you wear your tinfoil hat with the shiny side out or in?

Is a forestry hard hat. It has several work related

dings in it because sometimes it's good to have one handy.

Tinfoil is for you as your posts show toxic metal mental

deterioration and dementia.

Just right for useful idiots and Judas goats.

Great self-portrait, T. Rex. It is so you, you LIttle Scatman, you. :-)

Your posts sound like you left your hard hat at home a couple of times.

Seriously, I have to thank you all. i was all set to have a boring Saturday morning at the office, and I got all this entertainment for free!

Ain't America great?

Now get back to surfing those conspiracy theory websites.

the ministry of 'truth'?

Go for it, Winston.

...it read a book once.

Once.

Was the the Cliff's Note's, or a graphic novel?

Looks like you're hard at it yourself today. Big Brother never sleeps, does he?

"the ministry of 'truth'?

Go for it, Winston."

Here's one for your five minutes hate dog.

That'll definately have these liberals writhing and twitching for rest of this Saturday afternoon.

Guess I'll go over to SF IMC now and see if I can stir up something over there. You've left nothing for me here!

Awhhhhhh.....poor Freeper....they did not give you the updated one. Her it is , Bitch.

Nice try, but mine is much better. Better design, sharper wit. You lose.

You need to work on your photoshop skills if you're going to play in the show.

I just thought it was a moron racist.