.

No it wasn't. It was an indiscriminate act of wanton brutality.

You can't even get your definitions right.

Simon, are you coming to the KKK meeting tomorrow night?

Wasnt there an FBI report that showed

5 seperate bombs were detonated within the building

????????????????

Too bad they already killed the gulf war vet.

...from an inprecise mind.

The O K bombing?

Another total LIE! Thank the Snakes.

Read this

http://serendipity.magnet.ch/more/ok_bomb.html

And this

http://www.intellex.com/~rigs/page1/okc/report.htm

Then tell me about the OK event.

I was reading another site about the WTC disaster and they showed stills of what appear to be explosions occuring on the floors well below where the tower was hit. Have you looked at any sites like this also? Some of those photos of the WTC really look odd.

I've seen the collapse of the Towers several times and they look like a

controlled demo.

Plus all the dust that this kind of coupled charge generates. All the evidence was removed by the same company that took the evidence

from the OK bombing. Go figure.

No shit...now, that is interesting. Same company.

You Idiots and your Conspiracies, so in some still shot someone thinks they see an explosion on another floor. 10,000 gallons of JP-5 running out of ruptured wing tanks would run down any opening in the floor to lower levels where it could be ignited.

Sheepdog, so now you’re an expert on Controlled Demolitions. Doesn’t take much to understand that when the thousands of gallons of JP-5 starts burning the support beams start to melt. The Twin Towers were built with the support skeleton on the outside of the building hence as the buildings weaken from melting support towards the center, the building top half packed straight down.

You Conspiracy Idiots are pathetic!

Before opening mouth, turn on brain.

You are wrong.

I am an expert.

At much more than demolition's.

'There is no problem that cannot be solved

by the correct application of high explosives'

Name it, I've taken it down or sank it.

More than a hobby, more like a life style.

Skinner, you can squawk and spew but I know my shit

and you don't know squat because you can't

refute the information in the links, o 'expert'.

Well your real brilliant, got any REAL facts or are you just pecking away at the keyboard?

At least I have a pecker...what's your excuse?

Your wit and intellectual prowess just amaze me! Even though you still have not shown us your great wisdom on what brought done the Twin Towers, since that is what started this exchange.

It was the shot of the first event that began

our slide into a police state.

You have:

A not read the above links that I posted

B no understanding of explosives

C just doing your job as a grease weasel

D All of the above

Of course you are, but what am I?

Save your breath for breathin' boy. These idiots are to only be used to laugh at. You'll grow old before they'll ever post ANY verification of ANY of their harebrained ideas, short of the occasional link to some other fool's shitty website.

That said, they are good fun. We've had alot of fun with sheepdog. he's quite a piece of work.

"The O K bombing? Another total LIE! Thank the Snakes. Read this http://serendipity.magnet.ch/more/ok_bomb.html And this http://www.intellex.com/~rigs/page1/okc/report.htm Then tell me about the OK event."
These are your sources that you get your wealth of knowledge from? Up to your old tricks again, not sharing, links don't work, keeping all that valuable information to yourself.

And I thought so. You didn't bother to read them.

Wait a bit for contact. I checked to make sure

They operated and I just checked again. It took about

25 seconds per.

For the curious reader.

Move on, nothing to see here.

Since this is not ready for prime time. I thought I’d post some additional

links. [ do a search for OK+bombing]

1st page on Google

http://www.ournation.org/o_k__bombing.htm

&

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/bombs/bombs.html

&

http://www.geocities.com/individualistanarchist/html/ok.html

Like I said old fish and still stinking. If it works they’ll use it again. Kinda like, oh, 9-11

with a different set of victims and same shellac of Gov. Issue BS.

Like I said before, we’re treated like chickens raised to feed the shark tank.

>I've seen the collapse of the Towers several times and they look like a controlled demo.

ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLL ANOTHER ONE

JUST LIKE THE OTHER ONE

YOU'VE BEEN HOLDING ONTO IT

AND I SURE..WOULD...LIKE...A...HIT.

DON'T BOGART THAT JOINT, MY FRIEND

PASS IT OVER TO ME

DON'T BOGART THAT JOINT, MY FRIEND

PAS IT OVER...TO...ME.

I wish I had some now, goddamnit.

Still no intelligent or lucid rebutal to any of my

links. Bad wind from the 'morans'.

What I expect, and little more.

Poor evil tools.

>>Still no intelligent or lucid rebutal to any of my links.

Earth to Sheepdog. Earth to Sheepdog.

The widely accepted version of what happened is that Islamic militants flew planes into the building. Now if you want to believe otherwise, by all means, do so. But the burden of proof is not on those of us who believe the "official version", but on those like you to convince us otherwise. Your links have not done that. We don't have to prove a negative. That's not how it works. The burden of proof is upon those like you who believe something other than the "official version".

(Quotation marks used for the sake of Sheepdog)

Let me break it down for you even further.

The "official version" is that the Earth is round. Now if you want to believe otherwise, by all means, do so. But the burden of proof is not on those of us who believe the "official version", but on those like you to convince us otherwise.

It's the government that hasn't made the case, oh

parrot of bad wind. Repeating the lie doesn't make

it the truth.

No investigation, no evidence. Oh that's right, we

have an indestructible passport and your opinion to hold

it all together.

>It's the government that hasn't made the case

That's your opinion.

Most of us believe they have made the case. You may disagree. You may not like that others have accepted it as truth when you have not. But that's not our problem.

Are you mature enough to accept that other people have concluded to be a fact something you do not?

It's a big world and there is much room even for

the potato too lazy or stupid to ask themselves

questions and do some digging. That I will accept.

You seem to have a problem when others view the same evidence and reach a different conclusion than you do. Why is that?

What is it?

Didn't view any of the links; or just producing smoke.

I don't give a damn who 'we' are or who you are.

Why is that?

I don't belong in the flock, I watch it for varmints.

Others, like myself, have viewed this "evidence" you provide over and over and do not agree that it proves anything. Do you believe you "see" things the rest of us don't "see"?

...You don't have any counter except your belief in

fairy tales.

I just don't avoid the view for my personal comfort and

you haven't addressed any of the particulars. You are

telling me I wrong. What else is new?

I'm so hurt.

"We fight not to enslave, but to set a country free, and to make room upon the earth for honest men to live in." --Thomas Paine

>>You don't have any counter except your belief in fairy tales.

Fairy tales?? That's your opinion. To me, your beliefs are "fairy tales". So where does that get us?

>>I just don't avoid the view for my personal comfort

Nor do I. My personal research and investigation lead me to believe the "official version" is true. You claim that your research has caused you to reach the conclusion you have. Why are you unable to accept that many others have done the same thing?



>>you haven't addressed any of the particulars.

Again, the burden of proof is on you, not those who accept the "official version". In other words, I don't have to "disprove" your theories.

So we are back full circle, and still the question remains:

You seem to have a problem when others view the same evidence and reach a different conclusion than you do. Why is that?

Are you able to answer?

...One of the following:

A Shill

B Spook

C Fool

D All of the above.

You waste my time, what ever you are.

Not worth my time. Come back with something besides

sheepthink. You have nothing.

So, you've reached a conclusion and anyone who doesn't agree with you is stupid. And of top of that, the conclusion you have reached is not one held by the mainstream, yet because you believe it to be true, then it's an established fact and it's up to others to prove otherwise.

Face it. You're an arrogant asshole!

wow

so true...

cool.

It has been a bad day the Americans are lying again but my secret weapon Mr. Sheepdog is telling all truths for me in your country.

Please believe Mr. Sheepdog as all of the others of you are Lazy potatoes and idiotiotic morons. Only can Mr. Sheepdog give you the truth as he and I see it so clearly.

PS If you can get off the hook. I promise I will not kill more than 100,000 of the infidels of my country who have helped the american fighters.

An interesting thread:

A few thoughts:

For the people who are determined to believe that the government would never be so evil as to commit crimes, pin them on someone else, and then use the resulting terror/confusion to further a hidden agenda please remove your blinders.

I know it is almost an act of futility to get people with the above mindset to look dispassionately at the evidence and ask: What does the evidence tell me? However, I have a bad habit of tilting at Wind Mills. I guess I regard the truth as a higher good than believing in a comfortable fantasy world.

They are so frightened at the prospect, because it contradicts a World View that they are hanging onto for dear life, they are petrified to look. They will cover it with bluster and insults but it all comes down to the same thing: They are AFRAID to look.

Now, I realize that does not cover all. There are also those who accept it but don’t want to be bothered with acknowledging it because then they might have to actually do something about it - if only share with other people. There are those who are afraid to have an opinion contrary to the herd.

The last category is the real scum: Those who benefit from the existing arrangement and are willing to do anything to further their own personal interests regardless of what harm it causes. Into this category fall the paid shills, the politician who benefits by keeping mum, the Business People in the know at the higher levels and the Puppet Masters who are insanely pulling the strings to try and make us dance in their Mephisto Waltz.

Take for example the OK City Bombing above. Some interesting peculiaraties:

1. The building across the street - only 30 feet futher away from the Ryder Truck when it blew up suffered no damage other than some blown out Windows.

2. The BATF had been practicing in the preceding weeks with Fuel/Fertilizer Bombs in the Desert. Their expert who identified the type of explosion was only 2 buildings away on another block.

3. Brigadier General Parton, a Career Military Explosives Expert, is on the public record as stating that the Truck Bomb:

A. Lacked sufficient Explosive Power to cause the damage in the above photograph; and that the pattern of damage was inconsistent with the type and placement of the Truck Bomb.

B. The pattern of damage indicated that charges had been placed internally to the building.

C. Early News Reports report Explosive Orndance Disposal People moving in to recover a couple of unexploded charges. The charges, the EOD People, and the report subsequently disappeared.

D. The personnel of the BATF Office, with the exception of a low level secretary and another person, memory eludes me, had been told to stay away that morning.

E. The operator of the Day Care Center had been warned - and less than half the normal number of children were in day care that day.

There are many others but that will suffice for now. By the way General Parton’s analysis is available on line. I don’t have the link handy. One of the one’s Sheepdog gave above if memory serves has the Link to the Citizen’s Investigation of the OK City Bombing and they have the report on their Web Site.

Another item of Note:

Following the OK City Bombing a major piece of intrusive anti-civil liberties “anti-terror” legislation was passed.

Following 911 several major pieces of intrusive anti-civil liberties “anti-terror” legislation was passed. And more is in the works.

A piece of history that makes an interesting correalation:

Fake Terror and The Road to Dictatorship: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARTICLE5/index.html

So the information you presented "proves" the government did the Oaklahoma City Bombing. The opinions of a few conspiracy nuts. Perhaps you can explain why Mr. McVeigh never disputed his role and went to his without even the slightese show of compassion or remorse. All be he only showed scorn for the victime and the government.

Grow up idiot. And, like I said before, take some quality time off and get laid or something.

READ, Dork. And read again. Diogenes never said that the government was behind the OK bombing. What he said, in essence, is that there are some curious things about the bombing that raise some concerns for him.

What, JC? We cannot question our government? Well, if that is the present stance of the American people, then I say we are betraying our roots. The birth of this nation is from questioning and not getting the answers that fit. If we had not done that a few hundred years ago, you, me and the rest of us in the US might just have a fearless leader by the name of Blair.

Get it, Dimwhit?

PS: I bet you think Asscroft is great, too. Get at clue: Bush and his band of Necons are the real terrorists...and this hand nothing to do with blowing up buildings. It has to do with suppressing the truth, telling lies and committing evil in the name of patriotism.

When someone begins attacking you personally - (the formal term is "ad-hominem" Latin for "attack the man") it means that they have no way to counter you with facts or reason.

It is a debate tactic of trashing your opponent to divert from looking at the facts.

It is always a dishonest tactic.

It is the tactic of a lightweight coward.

>please remove your blinders

>I guess I regard the truth as a higher good than believing in a comfortable fantasy world.

>They are AFRAID to look.

>There are those who are afraid to have an opinion contrary to the herd.

Diogenes,

You are doing the same thing as Sheepdog. It's this attitude of "I've done the reaseach and I believe thus and thus and those who haven't reached the same conclusions I have are sheep", and I'm telling you that's an arrogant attitude.

Now I've clearly said that if you want to believe it, that's up to you. I'm not going to stand in your way. Why can't you accept the fact that people have viewed the same evidence you have and have reached a different conclusion?

...reached a tentative conclusion. No, I don't expect someone to believe what I believe because I believe it.

I expect people to think for themselves. I want them to think for themselves.

If you disagree with me then provide your evidence and reasoning.

One thing I do know for certain is that the "Official Story" is inconsistent with the readily available evidence in the public domain.

If two datums are mutually contradictory the one think we can know immediately is that "one or both are false".

Resolution requires that we put on our thinking caps and examine the evidence.

"...and then there was the curious item of the dog that did not bark in the night." Sherlock Holmes

>If you disagree with me then provide your evidence and reasoning.

Once again, it's not up to be to "disprove" your theories. It's up to you to disprove the "official version". I gain nothing by convincing you otherwise. I have the overwhelming majority on my side. You on the otherhand have everything to gain by convincing the majority otherwise.

>One thing I do know for certain is that the "Official Story" is inconsistent with the readily available evidence in the public domain.

That's your opinion. Most others do not agree.

Is it that hard to answer this question? Just give me an answer. Here it is again:

Why can't you accept the fact that people have viewed the same evidence you have and have reached a different conclusion?

...circular. Much like a dog chasing it's tail. You have eyes, and you would presumably have a mind. Examine the evidence rather that credulously accepting on authority what you are told to think.

It is not within my power to force you to look, examine and conclude based upon the evidence. Nor do I desire to do so. If you wish to remain ensconced behind "Rose Colored Glasses" then feel free.

Just one final note: No one has the Right to believe a lie.

"There is a sucker born every minute and a man to take him every five."

- P.T. Barnum (Unofficial Motto of the U.S. Government.)

"Hi, we're from the Government we're here to help you."

>Your reasoning is circular.

No. You won't answer the question.

>Examine the evidence rather that credulously accepting on authority what you are told to think.

I've already stated this. I have viewed the same evidence you have, and my independent research has lead me to reach a different conclusion than you reached.

>If you wish to remain ensconced behind "Rose Colored Glasses" then feel free.

Why is it that since I did not reach the same conclusion as you, that I am wrong? I can say the same to you. Where does that get us?

So, we've studied the same evidence and reached different conclusions. Why can't you accept that?

So you just tried to insinuate the government did the bombing. "BATF" conduction desert tests ect. That is even dumber because we could all insinuate everything. ASS-U-ME. Further, your veiled tirades abd digenerate name calling is rewnoun on this site so you use a different Nom-De-Plume we still know it's you you are as see through as mountain spring water.

So, if I understand where you are coming from, you on the conservative side have a right to questions whereas someone like Diogenes does not and should not.

People do question and this is good. In fact, it is this which is at the foundation of a free society. I am nearly 60 years old and I still am quite confused as to how so many members of my generation accepted the Warren Commission Report on the "magic" bullet which killed JFK.

There is nothing wrong is voicing questions and concerns. In fact, the opposite is what is wrong with the US today IMO. Questioning is what keeps government honest. We must resist what is wrong. Please note:

IT IS THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE WHICH MAKES BOTH MEN AND RIVERS CROCKED.

>So, if I understand where you are coming from, you on the conservative side have a right to questions whereas someone like Diogenes does not and should not.

You understand incorrectly.

He is free to question all he wants. But he and Sheepdog time and time again keep saying that if you don't reach the same conclusions they have, that you haven't REALLY examined the evidence, that you are sheep being led, etc etc etc. I seems they can't accept that others have viewed and studied the same evidence as they and have reached a different conclusion. I just wanna know why they can't accept this.

And on top of not accepting that otheres have reached differnt conclusion given the same evidence, they then insult them. These are the same ones who complain about ad hominem attacks.

You guys really feel threatened by the truth don't you?

I have nothing which would convince either of you as you have already made up your minds and it apparent from your posts that you are unwilling to actually examine the evidence.

You are welcome to maintain a closed mind. I have never insisted that you accept my point of view. That is mere transference of your viewpoint onto me. It is Bull Shit and you know it.

I have accomplished my purpose in this thread which as always is simply to encourage people to look for themselves, question everything, and decide for themselves.

I do not require your agreement. I was not even seeking it. I simply wanted to demonstrate the flaws in your reasoning and I more or less did.

Fini.

I, for one, am threatened by the truth. That's why I'm a conservative!

>You guys really feel threatened by the truth don't you?

What you believe to be the truth doesn't threaten me. Does what I believe to be the truth threaten you?

>I have nothing which would convince either of you as you have already made up your minds and it apparent from your posts that you are unwilling to actually examine the evidence.

Once again, I've examined the same evidence as you and have reached a different conslusion. How many times you gotta hear that? Why can't you accept that? You still won't answer.

>You are welcome to maintain a closed mind. I have never insisted that you accept my point of view. That is mere transference of your viewpoint onto me. It is Bull Shit and you know it.

Why is it that those who don't believe the same as you are "closed minded"? Do you believe you "see" things the rest of us don't "see"?

And, you just say that because we don't agree with you that we haven't examined the evidence and are closed minded. Once again, I could say the same thing about you. Where does that get us?

Diogenes,

If you and Sheepdog would just come out and say "We believe ourseves to be in all ways superior to other humans and our point of views to be intellectually superior to all other points of view", then at least we would hear the truth about how you view yourselves. You can't even say that. Your too scared to even come out and admit you view yourselves as superior to others.

So, you've reached a conclusion and anyone who doesn't agree with you is stupid. And of top of that, the conclusion you have reached is not one held by the mainstream, yet because you believe it to be true, then it's an established fact and it's up to others to prove otherwise.

Face it. You're an arrogant asshole!

Way to go. Whenever we conservative trolls don't have an argument, we can always resort to childish name-calling. Great job!

Life is precious to us all on this journey

Inside all of us a love that gives exists

Brevity of life demands we find our inner peace

Everyone must do their part for their fellowman

Remember those who have gone on before

Always caring for others before self

Love that had no beginning and no end

Sharing truth with those around us

Always pressing onward towards tomorrow

Reflecting on the peace we strive onward

Ever inching closer to our goal

Simply wanting a better world for our children

Others may jeer and jest at our motives

Saying things to tear and break us down

Truth cannot be quiet

Upon the mountains and in the valleys we shout

Peace to all and love for all mankind

Inside us all is love’s abounding message

Deliver us all to hope and peace and love.

The Name of your Poem must be "Soldiers Story" those brave men who fight for peace freedom and liberty for there fellow man. That's true love, to give your life so others may live in peace and freedom,. My God these men and women fighting to save the Iraqi people from their despotic, tyrannic dictator and allow them to go on living in peace and freedom are the finest humanitarians in the world. Willing to die for their Iraqi brotheren.

"Their is a common destiny

None goes his way alone"

Thank you. But actaully, this poem accurately reflects Bush Admirer Impersonator and people like him.