We've started a global citizen campaign calling for the United Nations to relocate its headquarters to Geneva until the United States expresses a willingness to abide by its obligations under the United Nations Charter and in protest to the illegal aggression against Iraq.

Please visit the campaign website at http://moveunhq.eccmei.net

If you like what we're doing, please sign the statement as a petition and forward the URL on your list and to other interested parties and encourage others to spread the word and URL as well. It will require an enormous number of signatures for this project to work, but it only takes a minute. Translators willing to translate the appeal into other languages are also being actively sought.

Thank you,

John Sigler

Move United Nations Headquarters to Geneva

http://moveunhq.eccmei.net

I'm not so sure your idea is productive.

For starters, there are many radical right-wing people in the Bush camp that would like nothing better than to leave the UN. With the UN on US soil, it actually has a tiny bit more impact on US policy because it's more expensive for the radical right-nuts to attack it or diss it in full. It wasn't all that long ago that the U.S. wasn't paying UN dues. Moving the UN would likely bring that climate back, and that's not good.

There are thousands of petition drives and action plans for xy&z. I don't mean to be harsh, but honestly, I'm not so sure this has the moxi to get a ton of people behind it, and I've got some questions about it's merit too.

Maybe I'm off base? Who knows. Just my A_RTICLE.02.

Move the UN to Samolia, they need some for income.

"All right, let me see if I understand the logic of this correctly. We are going to ignore the United Nations in order to make clear to Saddam Hussein that the United Nations cannot be ignored. We're going to wage war to preserve the UN's ability to avert war. The paramount principle is that the UN's word must be taken seriously, and if we have to subvert its word to guarantee that it is, then by gum, we will.

Peace is too important not to take up arms to defend. Am I getting this right?

Further, if the only way to bring democracy to Iraq is to vitiate the democracy of the Security Council, then we are honor-bound to do that too, because democracy, as we define it, is too important to be stopped by a little thing like democracy as they define it.

Also, in dealing with a man who brooks no dissension at home, we cannot afford dissension among ourselves. We must speak with one voice against Saddam Hussein's failure to allow opposing voices to be heard.

We are sending our gathered might to the Persian Gulf to make the point that might does not make right, as Saddam Hussein seems to think it does. And we are twisting the arms of the opposition until it agrees to let us oust a regime that twists the arms of the opposition.

We cannot leave in power a dictator who ignores his own people. And if our people, and people elsewhere in the world, fail to understand that, then we have no choice but to ignore them." PETER FREUNDLICH

That's just monkeyboy.

Not even regular low octain.

any non-REACTIONARIES care to give me some feedback?

Moving the UN would be a pro-right wing move. As it would help to delegitimize it.

In a little under 50 years it might be a pro UN move to move it to China.

THE UN IS AN ANTIQUATED PIECE OF S...T - It's raison d'etere

(Russia in 1946) no longer threatens. It's a collection of 3rd world

peaceniks and radicals. THE USA SHOULD DROP OUT OF IT, RENT THE UN BUILDING AT GOING NYC PRICES TO BUSINESS, POCKET THE PROFITS, AND NEVER WASTE ANOTHER

$ ON THE UN.



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An 80 year old Veteran, who was in the Korean War and World War II gave a little history lesson and his thoughts today on War.

It is a different look at the War.

Thoughts to think about:





I'm not going to get into a history lesson. The short, short version is that the League of Nations (established after WW I to prevent wars) failed to stop Mussolini's Italy from invading and conquering Ethiopia. It failed to stop Japan from invading and conquering Manchuria and much of China. Their committees wrung their hands spoke in platitudes but did absolutely nothing to stop war.



At France's coaxing Britain's prime minister Nevil Chamberlain met with

Adolph Hitler in Munich and surrendered the Sudetenland to Nazi Germany in

the interest of "peace in our time." The French and British watched as Germany took Austria, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia. They all had committee meetings and wrung their hands and talked of peace.



World War II erupted when Nazi Germany invaded Poland. Britain had a mutual defense treaty with Poland so they couldn't escape. They declared war

on Germany. Germany had a mutual defense treaty with Japan so Japan declared war on Britain. France wet their pants and surrendered to Germany as fast as they could and gleefully shipped all the Jews they could find to death camps in Germany to prove to Adolph that they really were on the side of Germany.



Japan attacked the United States and, because of Japan's mutual defense

treaty with Germany, Germany declared war on the United States.



Up until December 7th and the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, a large number of our people were wringing their hands and saying, "Appease Hitler. He is really a good guy who just needed a little more land for his expanding population. The dear man just wants peace. And World War II was in full swing leaving better than 50,000,000 people dead including about 450,000 American soldiers and sailors.



Three cheers for the League of Nations!

After World War II it was decided to do the whole thing all over again.

This time we would call it the United Nations and we will have committee

meetings and hand wringing parties and make sure peace prevails throughout

the land.



While that august body wrung hands the Soviet Union split Germany, invaded Poland and Yugoslavia, Rumania, Hungary and Bulgaria along with Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia. The peaceful world saw Korea with 37,000 American soldiers killed, over 1,000,000 South Korean soldiers and civilians killed and the country nearly destroyed.



Since then we have had over 50,000 American soldiers killed in Vietnam

and have fought wars in Somalia, Herzegovenia, Panama, Granada,plus the Gulf War when Iraq invaded Kuwait.



We should have gone into Baghdad and taken out that evil regime then but the United Nations would have no part of that. All they would allow was for us to chase the Iraqis out of Kuwait, then peace would prevail.



Now, here we are with Saddam violating all 17 United Nations resolutions while he has massed poison gas and bio weapons.

He is frantically trying to develop a nuke and his buddy, Kim Jong-Il of North

Korea may give him a few. (It was the United Nations who prevented us from

taking North Korea when the war was hot and we had the means to do it.)

Peace!!!!!!!! Sure.



France is wetting their collective pants in fear that the United States will take Saddam out and along with him, France's 60 billion dollar contracts with Iraq. Russia hedges because Iraq owes them 6 billion dollars that they sorely need.



In answer to your question....... hell yes we should go to war with Iraq. We should have done it six months ago. We should also get out of the United Nations. Can you believe that the United Nations has appointed Iraq and Syria to head up the United Nations Disarmament Committee? Can you believe they have appointed Libya to head up the Human Rights Committee?

All three of these countries are on the UN List of Terrorist States.............Absolutely unbelievable.



Just don't get me going. Throughout recorded history the only time peace has prevailed is when the good guys have militarily whipped the bad guys. Who are our best friends in the world? Japan because we whipped them. Germany because we whipped them. Italy because we whipped them. Britain because we whipped them.



This is one opinion, on the War but this is the eyes, ears and heart of an American Veteran...