Charles Rangel (New York)
John Conyers (Mich.)
Mike Honda (Calif.)
Stephanie Tubbs Jones (Ohio)
Barbara Lee (Calif.)
Jim McDermott (Wash.)
Bobby Scott (Va.)
Fortney "Pete" Stark (Calif.)
Edolphus Towns (N.Y.)
Maxine Waters (Calif.)
Diane Watson (Calif.)

In case you are wondering, yes, all these weasels are Democrats. And good news! California is the #1 in number of weasels with 5.

Supporting troops engaged in an illegal war is what the "Good Germans" did. I praise all these representatives for standing up against this illegal war and in defense of international law.

Our troops should be wearing Blue United Nation's peacekeeping helmets or defending this nation at home. Not being sent around to world to do errands for American corporations.

We can support them by bringing them home today from George and Dick's military adventure.

This war makes it official, the USA a rogue nation. Civilians around the world will pay the price for years. Millions will die as we attempt to establish our Empire and defend our right to consume as much as we want. So fat-assed Americans can drive SUVs and eat McDonald's.

P.S Did you hear that corporate America is already lining up to make huge profits from re-building what the US military destroys. How convenient.

The Bottom Line on Iraq
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=15213

The White House has asked for a Blank Check to continue this Pre -emptive strike. This will Destroy our economy. The administration not yet handeled the internal budget. The White House has also asked again for Tax cuts and Refunds for the Very Wealthy.
So, this war will be paid for and fought by the poor whos' buget has been cut. Why are the wealthy not allowed to participate or do their Patriotic duty? My nephew and one of my best friends is over there .
and I am proud for them.
But the US, the biggest and most impressive Military on the planet is going up against a very small tyrant whom has already been in the process of being forced to disarm. Billions have already been spent.

Its good to see that some congressmen still have
some sense of BALLS. America is not lost yet..

Send bushasskisser, I mean admirer and his homie
simpleshit, I mean simon, to Iraq instead of our
troops, and they can take dub and his alcoholic
daughters with them.

THE FRAUD OF ANTIWAR MORALITY

This week there were reports of brave, impoverished Kurds burning effigies of Saddam Hussein even as the Iraqi Gestapo hunted them down. Meanwhile pictures were being broadcast of Europeans torching simulacra of George Bush. That contrast sums up the current abject dissolution of the antiwar protestors — a bankrupt movement that has intellectual roots in the crowds who slurred Churchill and praised Chamberlain.

Go figure. Poor people atop their own oil who have no liberty, little gas, and few cars can risk their lives to express a desire to be free from a mass murderer. Simultaneously, wealthy, elite Westerners (who import their oil to drive nice cars) risk an hour or two of leisure time to damn a democratic leader for risking war to free these enslaved. Poor, tortured, and exiled Iraqis grimace at all this; Uday the Impaler and Chemical Ali smile.

In peacetime some creepy, self-proclaimed "human shields" volunteered to protect Iraqi civilian targets that won't be hit. But they bolted on the eve of war on being directed instead by their dictatorial hosts to guard military sites that probably will. Some morality.

Novelists and intellectuals decry 45 dead in Jenin and 500 civilians in Kabul killed in the liberation of Afghanistan. Suicide-murdering and medieval fundamentalist fascists are never mentioned. Nor do they say anything about the thousands slaughtered in decades of border-shelling in Kashmir, or the innocents of Chad butchered by the Libyans, or the tens of thousands of Christians executed in Africa. One person killed accidentally by a Westerner, after all, is worth 100 killed deliberately by "them."

The behavior of elites is similarly disturbing and reveals a deep sickness within American culture. What is the pathology that infects privileged Americans in this present conflict — why is it that the clerics are so out of touch with their parishioners, the actors with their audience, the professors with their students, the reporters with their readers? Hollywood celebrities either trash America abroad to cheering Europeans (cf. Jessica Lange, the Dixie Chicks, or Michael Moore), visit a criminal state on the eve of war (cf. Sean Penn), or talk of the general oppression and unfairness of the corporate America that alone gives Hollywooders a lifestyle undreamed of by the rest of America or the world at large (cf. Barbra Streisand or Ms. Huffington). Lost in all this posturing are some 26 million Iraqis — tortured, exiled, jailed, and brutalized under fascism.

One of many brutal dictators coddled by the rightwing. See also Marcos, South Africa, El Salvador, Guatemala, Chile, Argentina, Congo, the Shah, Duvalier, Somoza, Battista, and on and on and on . . . No killer is too vicious for the rightwing to shake hands with.

Notice in the “nice” propaganda piece above by “Victor Davis Hansen” the following:

The first paragraph implicitly associates Hussein’s Iraq with Hitler’s Germany. If you oppose the U.S. Invasion you support Hitler. A thoroughly discredited rationale, built on a false analogy, which I won’t take the time to destroy again.

The implication of Paragraph II is that the Iraqi’s will be grateful that the U.S. is killing them now instead of Saddam.

Paragraph 4 the classic Straw Man and false analogy. Notice it does not even mention Iraq but atrocities committed elsewhere. (It justifies by implication the murders in Jenin.) We are supposed to believe we are fighting all this by slaughtering Iraqi’s. And if you oppose slaughtering Iraqi’s to set them free then you support the other atrocities.

The closing paragraph is real convoluted piece of tortuously dishonest reasoning.

“The behavior of elites is similarly disturbing and reveals a deep sickness within American culture.”

This is correct as far as it goes - except he targets the wrong elites; never mentioning the Oil Companies, the Israeli Lobby, or the Military Industrial Complex who are all driving this war.

That this war is about liberating the Iraqi’s from a “Fascist” regime is a lie. The intent stated, discretely of course, of Bush Junta mouthpieces is to replace it with a different Fascist Regime - but one that will kneel to Washington.

Bringing up the “usual suspects” is simply a ploy to discredit opposition with discredited spokespeople.

File under Bullshit.

Thanks, Dio, for deconstructing this typical Freeper-style drivel. We should just post it somewhere and require that all Freepers and other knuckle-draggers read it, before proceeding to harass Indymedia.

Just glad to be of service. (And I do mean that.)

I would like to thank all the members of congress who know what it means to have a spine and stand up for whats' right.

I would also like to remind them that while they will certainly be 'freeped' by a bunch of semi-psychotic death-loving warmongers, they should take strength in knowing that despite what these people claim, they don't speak for the majority of us, they just speak more aggressivly than most of us. Fear not, we are with you on this and will remember your names next time the polls are open.

Congresswoman Jones, thank you for your courageous stance in this, you have done Cleveland (and Ohio) proud, I'm sure. I only wish more of our representatives here in Cincinnati showed as much moral fiber. Unfortunately it seems I live in a town of invertebrate jellyfish shills too cowed by fear of bad press to say a word against this huge orgy of international piracy and murder. These cowards truly shame our nation.

I would also like to voice my belief that this is not a partisan topic. Basic decency should not and is not an exclussive aspect of the democrats in todays political climate. I feel we are seeing more democrats in action now because they have already been attacked on all sides by Gov. Bush's we-hate-you crowd for sheer virtue of not being exactly like them anyways. As such, every last republican (or democrat) who does not openly support these brave Congressional leaders ability to say what they feel is best for the welfare of our nation, our soldiers, and ourselves is clearly not considering our constitutional rights and therefore our well being as a nation, as the two are inexorably linked together as history clearly dictates. This is not to say that everyone needs to agree with what they have said, but you must support their act of speaking out as it is what has made and kept this country great.

In clearer language, for the drunk or simple minded neo-conservatives who seek to discredit America, Republicans, and Christians everywhere with this senseless war; If you slander the people listed above for their actions you are obviously a traitor to our nation and we will recognize you immediately as such. Govern yourself accordingly.

Politicians of America: Please speak your mind openly and freely and we will support you. Do not be cowed by the Bush administration's threats or those of their cohorts, we by far outnumber them. They claim to speak for the silent majority. They lie.

Sorry. Polls indicate that they do speak for the majority.

WHEN Bush and Blair begin their illegal and immoral attack on a country that offers us no threat, we all have a choice.

We can wring our hands and say there is nothing we can do in the face of such powerful piracy - or we can reclaim the democracy that has been so corrupted by an elected dictatorship (in Bush's case, unelected).

There is only one responsible way to achieve the second goal. The polite term is civil disobedience. The street term is rebellion.

In 1946, Justice Robert Jackson, the chief prosecutor at the Nuremberg trials of the Nazi leadership, said that the "very essence" of international justice "is that individuals have international duties which transcend national obligations of obedience imposed by the state".

John Pilger

Yep, the war is all about oil. Once we get that Iraqi oil flowing, world prices will drop back to about $20 a barrel, and big oil's profits will go out the window. The weirdest thing about oil executives is there visceral hatred of profits. They'll do anything to drive them down. Given that a 5% or more shift in production can cause a two-fold change in prices, I'm a bit stumped on the logic of the oil executives. They must be shooting themselves in the foot, unless of course they are part of some conspiracy by the Jews.

But it is good to see a photo of Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam within a day of everyone finding out that Saddam was using poison gas. Unfortunately we had dismantled our biological weapons program in 1973, though we did provide cultures to Saddam, just like we also provided to every single person who claimed to be a doctor and asked us for them, until that right-wing militia nut started making anthrax threats and was caught with such cultures. Fortunately, he's in jail now.

"Sorry. Polls indicate that they do speak for the majority."

The polls lie. That is probably one of the biggest justifiable reasons to go to a rally in my opinion. See how they lie for yourself. But I'm sure you are already aware of it. It's impossible to overlook after so long.

Polls can be (and generally are) so rigged and self-serving anyways, even if they are properly recorded.

"Do you support Saddam's evil tyranny of murder, rape, and eating babies?" - "Do you support freedom?"

Any incorrect answers and bam, they never call you again.

I have seen otherwise with my own two eyes and I will trust myself over the idiotbox every day of the week.

They are just trying to give you a moral justification to stand behind murder, tyranny, and international theft.

Yes saddam is a bad guy, yes something needs to be done but no this is damn sure not the way or the time for these actions.

I have never believed the polls. Although the data collected is acurate for the population sampled. It does not mean that those reporting these results are obligated to tell the truth. And why should they, this is the age of say-whatever-it-takes to create some degree of consensus and deal with the shit when it surfaces later.

Okay..if we are after oil, how do you explain the drop in profits for oil companies if we gain control of Iraqi oil? As for the rest of it...the pattern here seems to be that if someone offers information that you dont agree with, it must be a lie. Thats pretty narrow minded of you all, dont you think? I mean, Saddam's murder of his own people is well documented by the UN. Saddam ignoring all UN resolutions offered over the last 12 years is well documented by the UN. Saddam's people suffering under UN Sanctions due to his refusal to comply with the UN is well documented by the UN. By what seems to be popular opinion here, the UN does not work for the US and has no connection to CNN. Does the UN lie, too? Is everyone lying? How do you document your truth? Who do you believe? And please dont answer by repeating who you dont believe. Try a positive answer for a change, who do you believe? Where is your truth coming from?

a nice cool breeze of ironic sympathy is headed towards the right wing:

"You might recall not long ago, before our brave American soldiers followed orders and stormed into Iraq, the Seattle congressman was lampooned as "Baghdad Jim."

McDermott was pilloried as a political buffoon who suggested the war was more about oil than national security. He was deemed a turncoat for showing up in Iraq and saying Bush was not beyond fibbing to justify his role as a bully.

How dare this two-bit congressman from one of the most left-leaning parts of the People's Republic of Seattle question the leader of the Free World?

But looking back, McDermott was, for once, spot on. He raised questions that needed to be raised -- and is still raising them.

Baghdad Jim has been vindicated."

anyways.....

Bush approval ratings are falling

....and "if a mainstream political journalist like Mara Liasson was so quick to suggest 10 months ago that McDermott resign for inopportunely seeking to prevent a war, when will she advocate that the president resign for dishonestly promoting a war -- or, failing resignation, face impeachment?



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