Full size 8 1/2 X 11 version follows. Please spread this far and wide - even email it to military bases and troops stationed in the Persian Gulf region. Educate them to the illegalities of this war, and encourage them to research the issues for themselves.

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LEGAL NOTE:


TO FOLLOW THE ABOVE "ADVICE" IS PURE TREASON.

CHECK THE US CODE, US MIL CODE, ETC...

YOU WILL BE TREATED AS A COMBATANT OF THE US and CHARGED WITH TREASON IF YOU FOLLOW THE ABOVE POSTER.

HOPE YOU LIKE FEDERAL MILITARY PRISON IF YOU FOLLOW THE ABOVE POSTER.

The US code, military code, etc. DO NOT supercede the founding words of our Constitution and Declaration of Independence.

Even if Hitler took control as our commander-in-chief and ordered the extermination of all the Jews, it would be our DUTY as lawful citizens to disobey him.

It will soon be time for Bush and his hitmen to make a momentous choice. Are you WITH the people or AGAINST us?

Under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) a Soldier, Sailor, Airman, or Marine is under the obligation to NOT follow an illegal order.

The same applies under International Law. "I Vas chust followink horders is not a defense. You will hang.

Having said that I am not aware of it ever having been tested in a War Time situation.

I suspect that the corrupt scum running our government would persecute any such resister to the full extent that they felt they could.
So, refusing to follow an illegal order and participate in an illegal war would be an act of great courage.

Question is does anyone have the conviction to do it?

The fact that we are not engaging in an aggressive war but rather in the conclusion of the Gulf War renders your poster and your point, moot.

Every war of aggression and invasion waged by Hitler was described by the Nazis as "defensive", or otherwise justified. That didn't make it so. The Nuremberg Tribunal wasn't that easily decieved.

C, you've missed the entire point.

The Gulf War was authorized by the UN.
The Gulf War ended in a cease fire.
The cease fire was violated by Iraq.
The Gulf War is back on.

Thus, no agressive war, merely a conclusion to the Gulf War.

Get it?

Who has Iraq attacked? I must have missed that.

The cease fire requested by Iraq was granted based on certain conditions. One of these conditions was the verifiable decommission of their chemical and biological weapons. The means by which the UN verifies this aspect of the cease fire was the presence of UN inspectors. Iraq ejected these inspectors in 1998. This is a violation of the cease fire.

The fact that Iraq continues to manufacture NBC weapons is a second violation of the cease fire.

Attacks on coalition aircraft since the termination of hostilities is a third violation of the cease fire.

Illegal export of oil and receipt of military stores in exchange for this oil is a fourth violation of the cease fire.

Did you want more?

Well Psymple,
You always accuse others of not citing references and yet here you go again making unsubstantiated allegations.

"The cease fire requested by Iraq was granted based on certain conditions. One of these conditions was the verifiable decommission of their chemical and biological weapons. The means by which the UN verifies this aspect of the cease fire was the presence of UN inspectors. Iraq ejected these inspectors in 1998. This is a violation of the cease fire. "

That is a LIE and I am sure you know it. Once again you assert a known LIE as a truthful statement. This has been rebutted by the Inspectors themselves. They were WITHDRAWN due imminent U.S. Air Attack. The only inspectors actually ejected (Total of 8) had proven links to U.S. Intelligence. Iraq was well within their rights to eject Intelligence Operatives using the Inspections as Cover.



"The fact that Iraq continues to manufacture NBC weapons is a second violation of the cease fire."

Please cite your Proof. Neither the current or former inspection teams have reported ANY instance of this. The only proof cited that I am aware of has been U.S. Government propaganda which has been laughed into the Memory HOLE.

"Attacks on coalition aircraft since the termination of hostilities is a third violation of the cease fire."

The overflights by alleged Coalition is a violation of the Ceasefire itself. No-Fly Zones were NEVER part of the original Cease-Fire agreement. Iraq has every legal right to defend the integrity of their airspace from U.S. and British incursions.

"Illegal export of oil and receipt of military stores in exchange for this oil is a fourth violation of the cease fire."

Cite specifics not unsubstantiated generalities.

"Did you want more?" If you have something of quality.

Read the article. Anything else I would would be superflous at this point:

http://www.gooff.com/NM/templates/Breaking_News.asp?articleid=315&zoneid=2

Well D, here's a link for you. It seems to be at some variance from your memory of the situation.

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Dec1998/t12161998_t216gulf.html

Fido, maybe you just don't recall......

the constitution reigns as the "law of the land"
Soldiers are required to disobey orders that violate domestic and international laws (geneve convention) and immedialy report it to a higher chain of command.
ps
dont believe shit simple dumbfuck says-- he tried to lie to me and say he was a "special forces " soldier and didnt even know the MOS designator

Well, systemfailure, since you know so much, kindly show me where the Geneva Convention is being violated. I'll wait.

And retract your assertion. You know I didn't say what you claim I did.

You left-wing, clueless, tree-hugging anti-warmongers. I am appalled to this day that democrats can be as stupid as they are--praising world peace and slamming your president. This isn't about oil--this war could be the only answer to peace. We're looking at a middle-eastern dictator with WMDs and all you people can cry about is peace. Don't you think that getting a tyrant like Hussein to disarm would be a hell of a good start? So, I guess that means that you're perfectly ok with Muslims coming to America and using your family and loved ones as World Trade fodder? But let's not mess with Iraq because we want world peace. You all make me sick--hey, if you don't like it, you could always move your sorry asses over to France. Get the hell out of the country if you got a problem with this war. In order for there to be peace and democracy in the middle east, leaders like Hussein must be ousted. Support our troops...power to America...let's kick some Iraqi ass. One last thing--for you Muslims out there who are protesting in this country...if you have such a problem with this, why don't you head home, grab a weapon, and defend your nation. This country is the reason you have the RIGHT to protest...you should consider yourself fortunate that a country like this exists to house your sorry asses. All of you war protesters, take your lack of patriotism and just leave the country. How many more liberals have to die in future 9/11's before they catch on?

Well ANTI-DEMOCRAT are you also anti-freedom? Anti Constitution?

There is nothing more patriotic than standing up for your beliefs.

There is nothing more patriotic than asking tough questions of the government.

It is the obligation of a CITIZEN to not take unquestioned and unexamined the pronouncements of any Government Flack.

This war is not in the best interests of the United States.

It is in the best interest of the insiders.

If you are so blinded by the rhetoric you hear from the lying sacks of shit on Talk Radio that you will not look and think for yourself then you have made of yourself a slave.

Simon and Anti-Democrat - I agree with you both. And the first poster at the top of this page insults our soldiers. They are more honorable, in whatever kind of war they fight, than N-whatever will ever be.

Almost forgot to add this lovely poster. I would join the army or air force but I can't because I'm disqualified, so don't write back and yell 'why don't you go and fight then?' because i would if i could.

i don't see what's so insulting. you should explain.

i think the poster at the top of the stack is fairly decent - very serious looking. what it says is obviously reasonable.

Would you cut out the crap?
You sound like Stalin or Hitler trying to tell us
what to say or not say. Americans can say what ever they want to. Only a dictator tries to stifle descent.

Okay, I will explain why it's insulting -
Say that we do have a war, and maybe lots of people will think that it's too aggressive and therefore not one's duty to fight in, not an honorable job/cause, etc. Well, how would the families feel if their kids die in "dishonor" by disgracing their country? Would the world/media make them feel as if their kids died for nothing, and their deaths meant nothing to the US, when in fact they were working extremely hard and probably proud to be fighting,despite what anyone else said. They were just doing their job and people say that it's Wrong and Dishonorable to do so, so maybe some of them did feel like losers, when they should have felt special - because I believe that soldiers are special, and no one should be telling them what is or isn't honorable or their duty aside from other military personnel and maybe the gov't. And like those other people said, that poster does seem to be treason...

Lancer, I'm sorry. But I am Hitler. Well someone on another board called me a nazi bitch, and as I am female, I'm actually his mistress. Close enough, right?

You know I'm just kidding.

You can't get even with the entire world. You will lose.
And I think you don't want that. Do you?

okay kat, that kind of makes sense..

most anti-war people realize that soldiers are mostly just poor kids who get stressed into the miltary by being in tough situations and needing some way out. i know a lot of anti-war people who have friends or relatives in the military who just got shipped out. nobody i know is ragging on these unlucky kids.

but don't you think that the whole thing about their feelings and being special and all that - - don't you think that's a lot less important than being alive? or even if they don't get wounded or killed (because US soldiers suffer VERY low casualties compared to other militaries).... they could get really messed up in the head by killing tons of Iraqis. wouldn't it be better to just stop all this madness and bring them home? i mean if we really want to "support" these kids in a way that will really help them, why don't we bring them back home and put them in public works projects and give them full health care including dental?

first, don't be alarmed by this photo...it's from the website of a soap i used to watch...the girl went to hell temporarily (she killed herself, but later she came back to life), and of course Hitler was there, and other evil people like John Wilkes Booth and Stalin. i kind of thought it fit in. i really don't like hitler, by the way, it's nothing like that

lancer, i'm not trying to get even with the whole world. well, maybe i am. i Know that i will lose, i know. but losing is a familiar feeling and i know how to deal with it (sleep, drink, watch movies where people die). if i actually won, it would be such a shock that i wouldn't know what to do with myself and i'd probably run out in the street and get run over by something. by accident, of course. but really, i still don't know what i'm doing. or thinking. or saying. or anything. yeah, it's 2:40 and i'm still not finished my stupid world bank paper blah

and D, I see what you're saying. I know soldiers get messed in the head and they're better off back here or dead instead of having to live with That, but some probably don't care about killing Iraqis. and i don't know what else. if i were out there and got wounded and even more mentally messed up, i would probably shoot myself. Suicide's not very honorable to most people (I admire it in some, like Anna Karenina), but i would have done my fighting duty beforehand, at least.

why die?
Bush didn't fight!

fight for what's right, not tradition. tradition will make you an alcoholic or something.

Dying
Is an art, like everything else.

--from Sylvia Plath's "Lady Lazarus

In one of my literature classes last semester, my prof would say, "An act so complete has its own beauty." (or maybe she didn't make that up but read it somewhere..I forget)

I'm on the road to becoming an alcoholic. Last night I spent about $40 on drinks at Friday's, and everything but one had vodka in it. I go out at least once a week and then to the liquor store at regular intervals.

And you can go down the road to self distruction as you
wish. It's still a shame. And very sad.

Hello Kat,
I haven’t directed a post to you before. However, you would seem to be someone who is perhaps looking for hope.

I guess you could say one of my hobbies is offering hope to people.

From your earlier posts I know that someone has convinced you that you need to take
some of the deadly concoctions offered up by the Psycho-Pharmeceutical industry as substitutes for compassion.
Please be aware that these drugs are life destroying. They are not a panacea and their long term use causes permanent damage.

Your drug might be your problem.

Here are a couple of useful links if you would care to become better informed or explore a pathway out:

Dr. Peter Breggin’s Web Site: http://www.breggin.com/

Anne Blake Tracy P.h.d.: Prozac: Panacea or Pandora?

Sorry the Link for Anne Blake Tracy did not come through lets’ try again:

http://members.aol.com/atracyphd/index.htm 

   "I am alarmed at the monster that Johns Hopkins neuroscientist Solomon
Snyder and I created when we discovered the simple binding assay for drug receptors 25 years ago. Prozac and other antidepressant serotonin-receptor-
active compounds may also cause cardiovascular problems in some
susceptible people after long-term use, which has become common practice
despite the lack of safety studies.


    "The public is being misinformed about the precision of these selective
serotonin-uptake inhibitors when the medical profession oversimplifies their
action in the brain and ignores the body as if it exists merely to carry the head
around!  In short, these molecules of emotion regulate every aspect of our
physiology.  A new paradigm has evolved, with implications that life-style
changes such as diet and exercise can offer profound, safe and natural mood
elevation."

Candace B. Pert, Research Professor, Georgetown University Medical Center, Washington;

Letter to the Editor of  TIME Magazine, October 20, 1997, page 8.

There are legitimate reasons for some phsycotropic medications, I know of a women that suffers from bi-polar
disorder and without a handful of meds each day, she
can't function. It's sad because she has fought this disease
since her 20's, hates the side effects but has little choice. She almost killed herself before she was diagnosed and treated. There are just some organic disfuntions certain people are born with..

The growing body of evidence would tend to suggest otherwise.

Because a drug masks the symptoms of some distress does not mean
that it has been cured.
Next time you visit a library, if you are so inclined, just for giggles look up a reference copy of "The Physicians Desk Reference" or "PDR" for short.

Compare the side effects of Prozac to:

1. Marijuana
2. Heroin

You might find the results somewhat illuminating.

Otherwise take a look at the links above. They contain a lot of useful information.

Ask yourself a question: Why is it that the Military will not allow someone to Enlist if they have EVER been on Anti-Depressants or Ritalin?

But...
I saw this women slide into insanity ( the most frightening
experience I've ever had) when she discontinued her meds.

Ganja from personal experience and junk from the friends
of my brother who overdosed. The link isn't working now but I know what you mean. Proper dossages and clean needles are important. Stinking war on drugs. Just a war we will never win.

One of the things Doctors don't like to discuss is the Withdrawl symptoms of PsychoPharmaceuticals.

These drugs are VERY addictive. The Withdrawls because they are so extreme are
often cited as evidence of "mental illness".

That is why Dr. Breggin and others knowledgable about their
effects advise patients to withdraw by tapering off.

Paxil has the worst reputation.

I am not Doctor either, but we as a culture need to get over this
slavish reverence for M.D.s.

Doctor Error is one of the leading causes of premature death in America.
That is per Center for Disease Control numbers.

You as an intelligent layman can know and understand enough to know when a treatment is
ineffective or dangerous.

Paxil Prozac etc. are pushed as anti-depressants but I'm
talking about lithium carbonate and other medications that, yes you are correct' suppress the symptoms'.
Head shrinkers, I know are shooting in the dark. Some times
they hit, some times they kill. My dad as a case in point, god rest his soul. Mis-administered chemo. I miss him.
Maybe kat has some kind of hereditary organic problem rather than a
doctor’s excuse for experimentation. She does have THINGS that make
her so troubled. Environmental or hereditary who knows?

well, i was surprised to come back here and find all this about drugs. i might as well tell you what i'm on and have been on (oh yeah, to lancer - i'm really not supposed to drink with them, of course, and my therapist was upset with me today because I admitted that I did the other night, so I really might try to decrease my drinking. it's an expensive habit but i dont think i'll come out of it too easily, but i don't know)

My illnesses are genetic (both sides of the family), but more caused by my environment and stuff from my early childhood. At first diagnosed with major depression and gen anxiety disorder in high school, then it changed to manic-depressive, and currently I still have the anxiety disorder and major depression "with unspecified bipolar or bipolar type II" (the less severe kind, hypomanic). Sometimes I don't think i'm bipolar but it's just that the anxiety and depression get mixed up a lot, and I've always had rapid mood changes. I was a nervous child too, and rather melancholy, and I cried at the stupidest things.

Anyway, I've heard that phrase 'your drug may be your problem,' and in high school I was stupidly put on prozac (I tried paxil and zoloft before, and none of them did anything and i wasn't on them for too long - paxil made me fall asleep in school), and the prozac made me really, really manic because of the high dose and i was on it for so long, and then I went to another psychiatrist and she said that it was aggravating my mania and that I needed lithium or depakote, but my mother wouldn't let me take either - especially the lithium because it's toxic and i would have to take tons of blood tests and i could easily overdose. So I tried being without meds for awhile but it was horrible. Lancer, I totally understand what you're talking about with your bipolar friend. I'm not really severe though. I couldn't sleep, I cried constantly, I screamed at everyone and I just had a hard time functioning.

So by this time i'm into college, and I get on Remeron (not SSRI - they figured that i didn't respond well with SSRIs), an antidepressant with sedating effects. it worked really well but i felt hung over in the morning and it was terribly difficult to get up. And then Wellbutrin (not SSRI) was added, and it didn't seem to do anything, but it's also supposed to help you concentrate. I'm still on 300 mg of that a day. maybe it does do something and i just don't know it, like keep me awake. well, wellbutrin didn't help with the depression symptoms (of course psychotropic meds never were meant to cure the disease, just treat the symptoms) and i still cried easily and i hated it.

And I was still really nervous, so I got Klonopin, which is like Xanax, except it's supposedly slightly less addictive. I only take it when it's needed, and I still have that. There's problems though, because I built up a tolerance so I started taking more...it really does work - it makes me feel sort of out of it , disoriented, and maybe a little sleepy, but it definitely relaxes me, and I need that. i usually take it before tests because it actually helps me focus, even though i'm a little tired. at least my mind's not going all over the place. no racing thoughts for awhile. and it works within a half hour.

and since Remeron was too much for me, and my current psychiatrist (i had a new one by this time - i've been through a few of them) thought I should be taking a mood stabilizer like lithium because Klonopin doesn't help for the whole day to level me out. I didn't want lithium and I told her that, and then she said that Topamax, an anticonvulsant, was still in research for bipolar, but it was the stabilizer with the least side effects, so then she thought that that would be a better one anyway. I love Topamax. I still take it, a larger dose before bed because it helps me sleep very naturally, and I feel fine in the morning, and then I take a smaller dose in the morning just as a continuing stabilizer. Nothing bad ever came from this drug, in my experience, and my moods have been pretty level for the most part, though generally low, and sometimes I have a hyper burst, but they're short, and i can go on doing things...but then i got Effexor...

Effexor (sort of an SSRI but different - for depression and anxiety). Yeah, I'm on that right now too, and it's making it extremely difficult for me to focus on certain things, and it takes me longer to get things done, and I feel half-sedated during the day. But Effexor still calms me and helps to control my excessive crying, which I wanted in a medicine. Prozac was good at controlling crying. Too bad it's just overrated.

So right now I'm on Wellbutrin, Topamax, Effexor, and Klonopin, and I know that I need them, because even though I'm tired, at least I'm getting sleep, and I'm feeling more in control, calming down. I used to be such a perfectionist but now I'm relaxing more. Perfectionism is the oppressor, as Anne Lamott wrote.

And as far as the long-term side effects go, I am not too worried because I don't want to live to be old. I don't care if I die from drug-related complications, and I think that's parially why I drink too. I don't value my life very much, although living is more tolerable because of my meds.

It upsets me that the military won't take anyone who's ever been on antidepressants, or ritalin for that matter....but what about a computer job?
I think i've written a lot so i'm gonna stop, but thanks for writing.

Those drugs you mention are like an echo of the handful my
friend had to take. As for the drinking, sounds like typical self-medication. Hypo mania may not last as my friend was also hypo manic for years until she hit 28. Then it got scary. Please stop the drinking. Have you tried melitonin for sleeping? It's supposed to be benign.
I wish I could help but I'm no doctor. I hate to hear about
this kind of problem. For Gods sake get at least 6 hours a
night because lack of sleep will add to your problem. At this time you live in world where this problem at least is
developing new knowledge it didn't have 15 years ago.
Exercise will also help regulate your mood.

Simon you are running a degenerative argument. Many many issues to dilute the point. Stick to the point. All your points may be false, but I can't have the time to hit them all. Then you would come back with twice as many. (This is anti-confrontational, BTW. Wimp.)

The fundamental argument is: Duty of soldier to uphold law in war? The answer: of course, the law exists. The issue is can you discern it? example: an israeli intelligence officier on trial now for delaying the execution of an order. His order was to relay info pertaining to bombing of a civilian building with civilians in it. And that's in freakin' Israel and they are taking the time to try the guy, not throwing him in a brig.

The fundamental argument on all the pseudo-legalese you spit regarding impending war: pre-emptive=unprovoked. The no-fly zones are not a UN institution, making ceasfire arguments moot. (Because it makes the US an undisciplined aggressor.) All you are arguing is might makes right. Do you not fear Allah?

Repent sinner. "Respect for the country always. Respect for the government when they deserve it." --Utah Phillips.

Kat, history always judges. We could support each dissenter, with a legal or conscientious argument, without dishonoring those who serve. Those who continue to serve will then feel they are fighting in an army of the willing. (Who cares if history judges based on the outcome, with 20/20 hindsight). Each person must decide for themselves about serving and disobeying in the name of honoring the law, and keeping the whole of society/humanity in mind. Otherwise it's a dead end in service of institutions which call the shots. The well-meaning "machine" which destroys human-ness. The Matrix and all that shit.

Just my opinion.

I especially feel this way because of course pre-emption is another word for aggression.

The question, Man, is whether or not the operation we are about to embark upon is an 'agressive war' and if it is, does this violate the Soldier's Oath to defend the Constitution?

I would love for one of the Constitutional scholars that frequent this site to provide me with the passage that says engagement in 'agressive wars' are forbidden.

Of course, should there be no such passage, then, again, the poster above and its point are moot.

Your "arguments" are such rubish. By your logic it would be ok for our troops to gang rape the dead corpses of their victims because the constitution didn't expressly forbid it.

"Uhh, well it never forbid us from hijacking the government so we just figured it was ok...(HEY shut up you commie assholes IT DIDN'T)... and once we were in control of what 'right' and 'wrong' is from a political point of view, we realized that those don't actually have to mean right and wrong at all! In fact, we can change up all this shit to whatever the hell we want and who will stop us? The people? Bah, tell 'em to go write a letter and get the hell out of our way, we have some pre-emptive defending to do. Welcome to America v6.65 - Just hope no one starts asking about 911 too much though... good thing we bought and/or cowed the people asking the questions on tv, radio, and print. Damn that internet sure is a pain though. Well, we have people to handle those types".

We are fucking everywhere. You assholes don't see us cause we usually just shut the hell up and accept your crap but this has gone too damn far.

And we are not just a bunch of whiney liberal pussies either, as you so eloquently like to label anyone against the war. A lot of us are some gun toting pissed off poor people with nothing much to live for anyways. You have already robbed us of our basic dignity, but now you want to start invading in our name while you cowardly fucks, so smug in your conviction that you will never see the wrong end of a barrel, hide in your holes and send us off to fight, die and kill for you.

Fuck you. This is not the road my America is walking down. I will not sit back quietyly and watch us turn into a pack of mindless zombie nazis. I'm not killing a bunch of innocent strangers for you or your greedy, obvious, bloody vendetas. If you want me to kill for you, you come ask me personally and we'll see what we can work out.

I am so sick of this shit.

AND WHERE HAVE THE STRONG AMERICANS GONE?!!? GOD DAMMIT WE USED TO HAVE SPINES WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED?!?

Good people of America, republican, democrat, martian, jedi, whatever, you must oppose this filth, this vermin, at all times, in all ways, as fiercely as you possibly can. It will make some people uncomfortable. Good. It will outright scare some people. Even better. And it will get a lot of sheep thinking. Out-fucking-standing. We do have the power, we're just not used to weilding is.

And Simon you are a spineless waddling litte penis with legs. You shill. Selling out your country and FOR WHAT? You couldn't pay me enough to live a minute of my life as you do. Traitor. Abandon your cause you little worm. Its wrong, you know it.

don't overestimate Simon - - just remember he is good for developing your points, arguments, and debating skills. it's unlikely he will convince many people of his insane ideas: perpetual offensive war is the goal, etc.

To overestimate him i would have to have some quantity of respect for him, which i don't. Although i am kind of amazed a stillborn child could make it so far.

i'm going to try to stop drinking, or at least decrease, but I have a drinking partner, although she has another drinking partner and he sometimes goes with us. i know she doesn't want to go with him alone because he used to have a thing for her, so if I go I will try to limit or maybe just have malt beverages. maybe take less money too. sigh sigh sigh.

that's hopeful about the hypomania! and i've heard of melanonin (or however it's spelled) but I don't have problems sleeping when i take my topamax, which i almost always do. i just decided not to take it last night because i felt like staying up. i just did, and i really shouldn't have. i felt okay today, but now i'm really tired.

well lancer, you do help just to write like that! thanks. i sort of exercise, I guess. i have to walk to my classes or to the train station, but it probably isn't enough. i don't have a lot of time though.

Hey girl.
Running in place or any martial art is good. If you were
in the military you would work up to 5 mile runs.

(my concern is not reflective of any individual on this thread that has responded so far. This is just a information assitance post. for Kat)

Hey, Kat:

I don't know if what you are posting is real or if you are developing
a character for a short story and see these live chat areas as a good place to get convincing feedback on the strength of your character development.

At risk of stepping out into a trap and being tagged the fool for believing you are real, I want to share a URL.

The URL is real. It is a useful start if your looking for some support with the difficult issues that come from mood disorders. Try the online test, and get acquainted with what is available in your local area from the online resources.

"The Depression-Bipolar Alliance" (hypo mania counts too) support network is immense and far superior than LA-INDYMEDIA.

Indymedia is a great place for controversies to be experienced, wrangled, rebuked; a place where your made fun of when you say something stupid. This is, however, is not entirely the best location to reveal one’s intimate issues.

Please continue to post here. I am not telling you to stop. I am just saying that there are better services for addressing your specifics concerns.

If you need to take prescription drugs to gain balance, then exercise is like a supplement. It may increase your general health, but it will not do the trick for an neurological imbalance.

Be advised, the progressive democrat, former Sen. Wellstone's picture is on the front page. He played a heroic roll in championing for Mental Illness rights. His brother suffered from mood disorder., I believe depression.

good health

http://www.dbsalliance.org/

Hard or regular exercise can improve the mood in a
depressed individual as well as most mood elevators.
I can't give you a link but I remember hearing a
study involving control groups and the results were
superior to medication. Yes I wouldn't rely on
exercise alone, but it would help the depression.

I am Kat! I am a real person, not someone trying to develop a character. Good God. Maybe you think I'm being too defensive or something, but I don't care.

And I'm sorry that these posts get off topic, but the whole thing with the meds started when I said I was disqualified for the army because of my meds, and then some others were talking about psych meds and i said which ones I was on.
but thanks anyway

Lancer:

I am talking about affective disorders.

Endorphin increase is not the same thing.

I agree that one can feel better from moderate exercise, and increase their general health. Many people that feel glum, and are upset over an issue that is effecting their overall outlook on life
may see results from getting in shape or changing their lifestyle.
But to be depressed about something (effective), and to be depressed because you have a neurological imbalance (affective) are completely different.

To claim that an exercise program is going to cure an acute episode brought on by an affective disorder is being optimistic.

I made the mistake of using the "running in place" example.
I made a disclaimer at the top, hoping that this would cover any
complications. This was not the case, and I am sorry if I put you in a position where you felt a need to defend your assertion. I am not attempting to discredit you. I think your overall threads are enthusiastic and upbeat. I thank you.

Exercise is great. It is a wonderful element that we should all incoporate into our daily routine.

Here is to good health!
Salute!

Kat,

I am happy to hear that you are real! In no way did what you say impact my decision to question if you were "real" or not.
It is just a precaution when there are so many debate
tactics used here.

I also hear what your saying --your not responsible for the rest
of the posting, I agree. I just was trying to be helpful. I hope I didn't
insult you.

If you haven't been to the web site, it really is a pretty cool
place that has a tremendous amount of good information, support
and upbeat attitude when it comes to the some the hard tasks
that come with management.

I'm an advocate, what can I say.



ps. I'm sorry that your meds kept you from a career choice
in the Armed Forces. If civil service is your dream, there are civil jobs that support the Armed Forces where you can work directly with the DOD.

There may be some options via the civilian route where meds won't stop you from serving your country.

good health

ok I have read enough....this is too all you people who feel sorry for poor little Saddam. It makes me sick as an American soldier to have to defend your life. I agree with the person who said if you don't like America then get out. If you feel sorry for a Dictator like Saddam, then I guess you also feel sorry for Bin Ladin. You people are probably the same one who hate cops except for when you need one and then they can't get there fast enough for you. You should not be allowed to call yourselfs Americans. NO MATTER WHAT RACE YOU ARE IF YOU DO NOT SUPPORT AMERICA OR HER TROOPS THEN GO LIVE SOMEWHERE ELSE. I hear Afghanistan is nice this time of year.

Ctrl-alt-delete

Must reboot. Program out of date. Rambling old lies.

Unable to deal with cognitive dissonance.
cognitive dissonance
cognitive dissonance
cognitive dissonance

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Dear Bush Admirer handlers:

It's become apparent that BA is a liability. He's continuing to spout highly embarrassing propaganda that leaves him open to showing the world just how stupid he is. It's dangerous to your cause. As but one example, he's unable to deal with the conflict between your old programming, as in the case of the WMD Iraq Nuke program, and your current version. Condoleezza Rice was referencing the forged intelligence months after the CIA warned that the intelligence was not reliable. BA is confused because Rice made her views very well known, including an op-ed in the New York Times.

http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aariceoniraq.htm

Ultimately, BA has become an embarrassment to himself. Please consider reprogramming.

Look, I realize that you are a fool. But please stop wearing it on your sleeve "x". The only obvious paid poster here is Dio. He's here to discredit the left with an assinine assortment of lies and fantasy and he's been very successful. You're one of the many who lick his boots.

Thank you God, for making my enemies ridiculous.

It's Mighty Fresca, he's on his way.

Very nice indeed.

Let know one say you're ungrateful.

...if you weren't around who would I get to spout the Party Line so that I can show just how ridiculous and devoid of logic it is?

Laurel needed Hardy.

Abbott and Costello needed each other.


BTW: BUSH LIED AND CHILDREN DIED. It really is that horrible.

P.S. They are still dying thanks to Bush.

Let know one say that the iron lung quadriplegic can't get it on with voice
control.ol.so fresca don't be bitter. Think about having a real life, like me.
Love, Let know one say that the iron lung quadriplegic can't get it on with voice sontrol.
With much love, Let know one say,

"...if you weren't around who would I get to spout the Party Line so that I can show just how ridiculous and devoid of logic it is? "

Except that you're getting paid to make these sheep look like fools and I'm not a big fan of that sort of off-the-rack lying. So, I'm sorry, you'll have to look elsewhere for a foil.

...your attempt at the "Big Lie" technique is really rather buffoonish.

But keep trying.

It's worthwhile for the amusement value.

My last post here was on Sunday @ 11:59 AM.

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you were here? no one cares.