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ADOLPH HUSSEIN?

by C/O Diogenes Saturday, Mar. 01, 2003 at 7:23 AM

I don’t know about you, but I am mighty tired of the warmongers making constant comparisons between Germany 1939 and Iraq 2003. This is not only disingenuous, it is dishonest.

Adolf Hussein?

by Charles Sebrell

        

I don’t know about you, but I am mighty tired of the warmongers making constant comparisons between Germany 1939 and Iraq 2003. This is not only disingenuous, it is dishonest.

Germany in 1939 had built a military arsenal second to none. Germany was mass-producing aircraft superior to any of the allied nations. Germany was mass-producing armored divisions that far outranked any of its neighbors. Its infantry was the best-equipped in Europe.

Iraq of 2003 doesn’t have the infrastructure to build one tank, let alone divisions of them. Iraq lacks the infrastructure to build a jet engine, let alone the airframe to put it in. The Iraqi air force, according to Jane’s Defense Weekly, is only 30% operational due to constant cannibalizing of the fleet, to say nothing of their aircraft being 1980s and earlier vintage.

While Germany of 1939 was able to mass-produce its war materials, Iraq has to buy everything. Iraq can’t even manufacture aluminum tubes!

After the first Gulf War, the United States and Great Britain unilaterally imposed a "no fly zone" on 40% of Iraq, and within which the U.S. and Britain bomb with impunity. Any Iraqi aircraft that enters the no-fly zone is subject to being shot down. The no-fly zone is neither authorized nor sanctioned by any UN resolution.

In Germany 1939 no outside force dictated the allocations of the German budget. The "oil for food" program for Iraq is estimated to generate 80% of Iraq’s budget. This program is run totally by the UN. Iraq’s oil exports have diminished steadily over the last 12 years as the UN has withheld oil drilling and maintenance equipment from the Iraqis. Thus, by design, the UN has slowly decreased Iraq’s ability to feed and maintain itself.

In 1939 Germany was clearly on the path of empire. While those thoughts are also attributed to Hussein, Iraq barely has the wherewithal to maintain itself. Illusions of empire building are the prerogative of the strong.

I harbor no illusions about Saddam Hussein; he is very likely a murderous dictator, just as was Hitler. And, just as was our WWII ally Joseph Stalin, or as President Roosevelt preferred, "Uncle Joe."

Always on the lookout for sympathy, the warmongers have added a twist to their emotional appeals. Their original demands were to destroy Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction, then they demanded a regime change. They have now added that the allies (the best allies money can buy) are there to liberate the Iraqi people. I have no doubt the Iraqi people will be liberated alright, they’ll be liberated of 20 billion barrels of oil.

If the US and Britain are liberating the Iraqi people, I am hard pressed to understand why the Army chief of staff, General Eric Shinseki, estimates that "Something on the order of several hundred thousand soldiers…" will be needed in post-liberated Iraq.

Well, I’ve got to run now. I’m off to the store to get some Maurice’s BBQ sauce and a bottle of French wine.

February 27, 2003

Charles R. Sebrell [send him mail], a Member of the Mises Institute, was an airline pilot for 28 years.

Copyright © 2003 LewRockwell.com

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Exposing the Warmongers Lies

by Diogenes Saturday, Mar. 01, 2003 at 7:30 AM

As has become evident to anyone of any intelligence the selling of the war against Iraq has relied upon lie, upon lie, upon lie.

One of the bigger whoppers is to superimpose the face of Adoph Hitler upon Saddam Hussein. The comparison is simply dishonest.

One the other big lies important to note is the attempt in the mass media to create only one face for Iraq Saddam Hussein. That way people are distracted from looking for the faces of the hundreds of thousands who are not Saddam Hussein and who will die in any of the War Scenarios which have been floating about.

Think about that last one in particular - the dehumanization of the Iraqi People to be replaced with that of the man we are told we must hate. Not that Saddam is not a vile bastard who well deserves to swing at the end of a rope but the PsyOps tactic of trying to substitute his face for every face.

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Well put but assinine

by fresca Saturday, Mar. 01, 2003 at 6:26 PM

"As has become evident to anyone of any intelligence the selling of the war against Iraq has relied upon lie, upon lie, upon lie.

One of the bigger whoppers is to superimpose the face of Adoph Hitler upon Saddam Hussein. The comparison is simply dishonest.

One the other big lies important to note is the attempt in the mass media to create only one face for Iraq Saddam Hussein. That way people are distracted from looking for the faces of the hundreds of thousands who are not Saddam Hussein and who will die in any of the War Scenarios which have been floating about.

Think about that last one in particular - the dehumanization of the Iraqi People to be replaced with that of the man we are told we must hate. Not that Saddam is not a vile bastard who well deserves to swing at the end of a rope but the PsyOps tactic of trying to substitute his face for every face."

A. Kinda like all the simple minded characterizations of Bush as Hitler right?

B. What are some of these "lies" that are always hinted at around here but are never actually exposed.

Is one that since 1991 he has violated 17 UN resolutions?

Is one that he does in fact, by his own admission in the form of "finding" them for Blix, have biological and chemical weapons?

Is one of them that he has gassed thousands and thousnda of Kurds?

Is one that every human rights group that we could think of has systematically found him overwhelmingly guilty of heinous abuse and torture?

Is one of them that it's almost ludicrous to believe that if left be, he wouldn't dream of turning down an opportunity to covertly aid a group like al queda in an attack on the uS or Isreal? Or are we to believe that regardless of everything else Sadam and bin Laden would never get in bed together since they don't share fundamentalist muslim views and are much too noble to bend their respective religious convictions.

Or maybe the problem is that we aided Sadam in the past so therefore we are forever beholden to his whims and desires? And by that logic we should remain perpetual enemies of Japan, Russia and England.

Oh wait, it's probably the whole oil problem. The Bush "junta" (I love it when you use that word..adds real credibility to your argument) simply wants more money for it's friends in BIG OIL. Forget that they could have easily taken all the oil in '91. Forget that if they really wanted huge oil deals Bush could have simply lifted the sanctions, got the oil AND become a hero to all those who buy the myth that We are responsible for the sanctions and not Sadam.

It's probably the heartfelt compassion the left has for the "faceless" Iraqi in the street. The noble oppressed masses who have stood buy ARMED but silent while a "leader they didn't elect" systematically tortures and murders their neighbors. After all, they have no chance to rise up and overthrow their "vile " oppressor. That can't happen. Better to keep the AK47 clean for the "American Agressors" and hope that Sadam henchmen knock nextdoor instead of here.

So, tell me a few lies. I feel like I can read your response already.

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I guess the Shills want to avoid this one.

by Xerxes Saturday, Mar. 01, 2003 at 6:27 PM

Well come on all you brave young "shills"?

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Just one little point

by Sheepdog Saturday, Mar. 01, 2003 at 9:25 PM

The similarity between Hitler and Bush; Germany

and the U.S. are thus.

Both countries thought they could rule the world.

Both countries had the greatest military power in the world.

Both countries began rounding up minorities without legal

justification, for secret trial.

Both countries began passing laws that desolved the protection of citizens established in their democratic charter.

Both countries had (and have) lunatics for leaders.

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Rome

by LMA Saturday, Mar. 01, 2003 at 9:36 PM

Comparing Bush and Hitler is a laugh. First of all, if you wanted to model an empire after someone, it wouldn't be Nazi Germany. That lasted a whole 15 years. You wanna build an empire, model it after Rome. The Roman Empire's influence is still felt today worldwide.

Besides that, I got a real problem with all these people being labeled as Hitler-like, Bush is Hitler-like. Ashcroft is Hitler-like, Rummy is Hitler-like. Then you go back and examine history and you ask yourself just how did someone like Hitler come into being. And as you examine late 1920's, early 1930's Germany, you see there were all these people pointing fingers at people saying "He's Hitler-like", "No! He's Hitler-like", "No, he is." In the meanwhile, the REAL Hitler just waltzed in between them all virtually unnoticed and became Hitler.

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The Reich will last a thousand years

by Sheepdog Saturday, Mar. 01, 2003 at 9:49 PM

But they were also wrong and their people realized this

as they were picking through the rubble of their ruined

cities.

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Simple

by Simple Simon Saturday, Mar. 01, 2003 at 10:11 PM

The similarity between Hitler and Bush; Germany

and the U.S. are thus:



”Both countries thought they could rule the world.”

False. Not proven. Nazi Germany invaded and ANNEXED the counties it invaded. The United States has not ANNEXED a territory since February 1899.

”Both countries had the greatest military power in the world.”

False. Germany’s military power at the outset of the Second World War was inferior to the Soviet Union’s.

”Both countries began rounding up minorities without legal

justification, for secret trial.”

False. The United States is pursuing and incarcerating persons who are here illegally or under false pretenses. They are also prosecuting known terrorist front men like the former Leftist’s darling Sami Al Arian – a person whom they are keeping a respectful distance from now.

”Both countries began passing laws that desolved (sic) the protection of citizens established in their democratic charter.”

False. Kindly enumerate the laws which have dissolved any of our citizens’ protections.

”Both countries had (and have) lunatics for leaders.”

False. Opinion, and a badly formed one at that.

Well let’s see how Sheepdog did: .000. Wow. That’s a helluva batting average.

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Saddam Stalin!

by CEM Saturday, Mar. 01, 2003 at 10:14 PM

Saddam like Hitler? No, I'd say more like Stalin. Mass murderers of their very own people. In fact, I believe ol' "Uncle Joe" is a real-life hero of our buddy Saddam!

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Well, there it is

by fresca Sunday, Mar. 02, 2003 at 12:43 AM

Since all of the usual leftist fantasy world buddies have had ample time to try and refute any of the facts i posted let's move on , agreeing that this war is the ugly, correct thing to do and that no conspiracy exists. Thanks for your help.

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Pardon me sir...

by AdolphPastrami Sunday, Mar. 02, 2003 at 3:00 AM

Look, just because you hate black people is no reason to embrace the Arabs, you vile homophobe.

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Saddam Stalin

by CEM Sunday, Mar. 02, 2003 at 3:16 AM

Saddam like Hitler? I don't think so. I'd say more like Stalin. Both mass murderers of their own people. In fact, I believe ol' "Uncle Joe" is a real-life hero of our old buddy Saddam.

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And again for Simon the Simple

by Sheepdog Sunday, Mar. 02, 2003 at 7:27 AM

No one with any sense wastes their time in debate with a warped broken record.

My points are valid.

Particularly with respect to the lunatic in the oval office.

I'm so popular.

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