Daily Mirror

AMERICA ORDERS 100,000 BODY BAGS

Feb 10 2003

By Stephen White and Paul Gilfeather

UP to 100,000 body bags and 6,000 coffins have been secretly delivered to a US base in
Italy, a Catholic archbishop claimed yesterday.
Archbishop Renato Martino, president of the Pope's Council of Peace and Justice, said
the consignment had arrived at the Sigonella base near Catania on the island of Sicily 10
days ago.
He said: "Americans are expecting a high number of casualties. That is why so many
body bags and coffins have been sent to the base.
"I am very apprehensive about this. War brings only destruction, misery and hate. It
doesn't resolve anything and is always like this.
"A true preventative action would be to try and avoid war. The consequences of this war
will make themselves all too obvious on the American people when they start to see
coffins with loved ones in returning home."
Archbishop Martino added that he would be willing to travel to Washington and meet
President Bush if the Pope asked him to be his special envoy.
The naval air station at Sigonella has been an American "hub" command centre since
1959. More than 3,000 US marines and Navy personnel are stationed there.
BRITAIN risks being dragged into another Vietnam, ex-Chancellor Ken Clarke warned
yesterday. He said Tony Blair would pay heavily at the polls if he launched an invasion of
Iraq without public backing.
Mr Clarke, a former Tory leadership contender, said on BBC Radio 4: "If you go to war
in modern times you need the broad bulk of the public behind you - you are putting the
forces at risk, you are engaging the country in military conflict in the short term, perhaps
more terrorism in the long term.
"It is a broad analogy to draw between America and Vietnam but what destroyed America
in Vietnam was the bulk of the American public were never really persuaded of the case
for fighting in Vietnam at all."

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I am sure the "powers-that-be" are distressed by this news getting out too soon. After all it just would not do to remind people down the street that cute little "Johnny" who looks so fine in his uniform might return home a cold and bloody mess in his shiny new body bag.

On to Baghdad!

ON TO THE CEMETARY!!!!!! (Unless you are a member of the Elite in which case someone will be paid to die for you.)

We all go to the cemetery eventually, regardless of social condition.

Ooooh, Pvt. Fido spouting a little canine philosophy...

....deep...real deep...but what if you're cremated?

...stop tryin' to impress and fetch those slippers, boy...you're not foolin' anybody doggie, your about as deep as a puddle!

Hey, KPC, what's up? I just read that Saddam has granted visas to a bunch of human shields. I guess these 'people of concience' will be manning their posts soon. The Left never sent them, of course. You are so right.

If they die, so be it.

...so , do you have your drippy, warty dick in hand, all semi-erect and wacking furiously over the prospect of death and destruction (as long as it is somebody elses...god forbid you would ever put YOUR candyass in harms way)?

...Oh yeah, I remember your "Voices in the Wilderness" fantasy, the one that has them all hunkered down in a bunker with Saddam, after being deployed by their commanders from that nefrious organization, the L.E.F.T., scheming to bring the west to it's knees with that newest, dastardly WMD.....NON-VIOLENCE!

...what a fuckin' loser you are!

Oh, and I can understand you having trouble grasping the phrase "people of conscience", it is a concept that has always been difficult for facists to comprehend, if that is any consolation to you.

I think mentioning such terms as "conscience", "honor" and "justice" are simply lost on them. They have disengaged their intellect and are going on full mind-numbed Robot mode.

And Simple - get a gun, a plane ticket, and a parachute. And then use them if you feel so strongly about killing people.

I just can't wait to hear from Mr. 11B with a postmark
in Afganastan.

So let us play out the 100,000 body bag scenario.

Suppose hostilities do break out. Further suppose that the regime in Bagdad sprays US troops and ships with Anthrax from drone aircraft. Further suppose that they lauch missiles at Israel with deadly biological weapons in the nosecones killing hundreds of thousands of Israelis. And, also imagine that a vengeful Saddam gives the worst of the worst biological weapons to Al Queda, who in turn lauch coordinated attacks on America at the same time.

What will the reacton of the Anti-War crowd be then? Where will the Pacifica reporters be who have been contending that 'there is no proof Saddam has WMD?

And what would you recommend for war crimes punishment assuming Saddam and his top staff members were to be captured alive?

What will the French say?

What will the Germans say?

Suppose the Queen of Hearts orders an execution?

What will the Rabbit Think?

What will the Mad Hatter Think?

The three of you cowardly appeasers all in one place. It is almost too rich.

I shit bigger than the lot of you. You are all apologists for murder and rape and terror. You villify the United States at every breath, yet for reasons unclear fail to leave this foul land. Curious. You sit on your failed behinds and spew venom about the evils of capitalism and globalism and Democracy and the United States, and where do you do your hand-biting from? From the comfort of your suburban homes, where you use your Hewlett Packard or Dell computers and your Cox cable modems and can't wait to get to your GE fridge to get more Ben & Jerry's Chubby Hubby to feed your distended Docker's-clad asses. You are three of the most repugnant American hypocrites. Go thee hence and never darken our shores again.

Sheepdog- Your paranoid ravings and conspiracy theories detract mightily from your posts.

Diogenes- You are such a disappointment. I felt perhaps the Left could produce someone with passion who was principled. I was wrong. The idea of a 'loyal opposition' has eluded the Left since the Vietnam War. You would rather wallow in the mire with the rest of the Leftist hogs.

KPC- You are really a worthless little wart. Learn to write, son. Learn to form complete sentances, and try to curb that foul tongue of yours. You have a daughter to raise, for God's sake.

Do we live in some bizarro world or is the Left actually lining up to defend Fascist dictators and religious fundamentalists? What happened to the high idealism and priciples the Left is so keen on spouting ad nauseum? One wonders how quick they would be to line up as human shields to protect Israel or the United States. One wonders how much hand-wringing they would do in defense of the fundamentalist terrorists if they were white and Christian instead of brown and Muslim.

You are a pack of traitorous hounds. I would take a belt to you all, but I guess I'll just settle for routing you everywhere you scrawl your pitiable little marks.

With undiminished contempt;

Simon

u'd like to belt them? or whip out ur redneck bbq shotgun from ur trunk and take em all out mesquite style?

Oh, please, "worthless wart"...can't you even come up with your own insults...God, what a fuckin' piece of flotsam you are. I've seen oil slicks with more style than you.

So you don't approve of my writing style...? Fuck off! Who cares what you think...Why cast my pearls before swine? You are barely worth the effort it takes to hock up a good loogie.

I haven't taken shits bigger you, but I've take 'em smarter..

STILL waiting to hear from you in Afganastan.
Bit me, bobo.

Just wander downtown in Kandahar and see if
you can find a nice one. Say, 10X 15'

back to the bodybags. it's not good. and to the poster who was wondering what if Iraq used biological weapons against us & Israel: well, guess what? people in wars fight back. yep, I know it's a shock to you, but they do.
so yes, if we attack Iraq which has done nothing to us, yes they might very well use any and everything they have to fight back, just as we used whatever we had, including nuclear weapons against the Japanese.

I know this wasn't your intent, but to me that argues against attacking Iraq, not a justification for it. It would be like the Japanese claiming in the 1940's that because we might use a nuclear weapon against them, they better attack Pearl Harbor.
This argument, like yours, makes no sense whatsoever, in fact it's a strong argument against attacking Iraq, just as it would have been a good argument against the Japanese attacking Pearl Harbor.

Simon - Thank you for that excellent post. You've nailed the three of them. They have no place to hide.

I too am most disappointed in Diogenes. There were early indications that he might have a brain, or at least half a brain. But this thread suggests he's in the same basket with the other two. It's not a pretty picture.

A quote from monkeyboy:
"-I was an engineering officer Sheep molester.-"
I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but
geeez....
Maybe it was in the line of duty.

...a petty officer?

"nice post... you really nailed them with that one. They have no place to hide. Maybe one day they will all realize that they have no brains"

bush admirer is a fuckin idiot. how many times has he used the "you nailed them with that one" as a serious comment? what the fuck kind of redneck is he? I always thought that rednecks didnt pretend like they know whats goin on.

pls tell me what is up with him and his "those daaaamn islaaams bombed us" comments. what the fuck? i mean seriously man... what a dumb shit. how many shotguns do u think he has? do u think he eats roadkill? the guy probably sticks his redneck dick into george bush's redneck nostrils and fucks him while holding onto bush's flappy dumbo ears.

i bet he doesnt even clean his ass after he shits.
(lets see if he replies with some smart-ass bbq redneck comment)

When I started posting, I really believed what I was saying (well, actually, I'm paid to do this, as you must realize by now).
But after these weeks on this board, I realize that you are right.
I'm not doing this anymore.
I Quit! I'm out of here. Really the pay's not worth it. I'm going back to telemarketing, in fact I'm starting today.
So if any of you guys have over extended your credit card limits, are in over your head in debt, lost your job, etc. I can help you out!

W H Y - P A Y - M O R E ! ! ! ! !!

                        

Dishing Disinformation & Dogma Daily

Well SIMPLEton I feel mightily chastened. Gosh I hadn’t realized it was an act of cowardice to believe that there might be some solution to Saddam’s tyranny other than killing thousands of civilians - men, women, and children whose only crime is to be trapped under the rule of a vile dictator. I hang my head now in shame for not realizing sooner that mass murder was the solution.

I didn’t realize until you challenged my manhood that the only solution to all of our problems exits from the barrel of a rifle, the bore of a Field Piece, and the tube of a Missile Launcher. Gee, simplistic me to think that it wasn’t rational to kill thousands of already tyrannized people to get one miscreant. Shucks, you make so much sense. And of course anyone who opposes killing for peace and Oil must be a shallow leftist. You throw about taunts and incendiary commentary but you offer nothing of reason. How is one supposed to be inspired to eloquent rebuttal when one is confronted by a one note Samba? Your position is devoid of either truth or reason.

Your masterful exposition leaves me struck in awe at your immense wisdom. The wisdom of Ghengis Khan, Kublai Khan, Tammerlane, Sargon, Napoleon, Lenin, Hitler, Mao, and now alongside them Bush.

Opposition to an unjust war is an act of Patriotism. I value the principles upon which this country was founded and will not fawn at the feet of a Deserter and and wannabe War Criminal. I see no honor in supporting a war which is ill-conceived, is carried forth not in honor but in avarice, and is unnecessary.

Upon the occasion of another time and place your childish taunts would demand redress upon the field of honor. However we live in a more civilized time when death and destruction are rained down at the push of a button and the “game” plays out on a video screen. But in the end it is still real people who lives and dreams are shattered by such as you. You call traitor but really it is not me you accuse but yourself.

You are dismissed.


BA - if you depart these environs it is only because your insulation is breaking down. When one has wedded oneself to a cause that is founded in evil one does one’s self a disservice. If the truth is too much for you to bear then so be it. Be gone into your world of delusion that it is somehow acceptable to kill for what you want. Lend succor to your companions in crime. In the end your reward will be spiritual death and 8 pieces of Silver. Material wealth is transitory and is no comfort to a spirit wracked with pain. Happiness comes in living life in the Sunshine. That is achieved only by being honest with one’s self and by striving to live in honor. I am not a Saint but I shall lay down my head tonight knowing that I have not assented to evil and will not countenance it’s cause.

Well, D, since you've gone the route of that semi-literate, KPC, I guess you'll have to be treated in the same pedantic manner.

You claim that war with Iraq is not the solution for the current situation. What is the solution?
Or are you of the opinion that we should just 'give peace a chance'?
The Left and it's useful idiots (include yourself in one of the above categories) have proven themselves to be past masters of bitching and pissing and moaning, yet have offered nothing when asked for solutions to the problems we face as a country. So spit it out. Give me the well-reasoned and effective Leftist answer to the threat that Iraq, Iran, North Korea, and Islamic fundamentalists pose. And don't waste my time with "more inspectors". Stupid non-answer. How about putting Saddam Hussein on trial for war crimes? Great idea, but how are we to acquire Mr. Hussein?

I'll wait for your reply, and then have a good laugh while picking it apart.

Shouldn't you be making sure your
hospital corners are tight?
Boots polished and laced left
over right? Doing the job I pay
you to do?

Well Simp Riddle me this:

Saddam Hussein poses no immediate threat to the United States. None whatsoever. None has been shown and None can be proved.

Saddam Hussein is an old man who has suffered from Cancer and is unlikely to live another ten years.

Given that he poses no immediate threat to us what is your rush?

There is no cause for such urgency that we must kill thousands of people to take out one man who is unlikely to live much longer.

The onus is not upon me but upon you to present a clear and convincing case that immediate military action is the only solution. Given there is no case, and much of the evidence Bush has presented has been shown to be clearly fraudulent, I suspect that all I can expect in reply is your usual idiotic vitriol.

Containment would seem to me to be the best solution. Along with support for Anti-Saddam forces. Problem is Bush I betrayed the Kurds in the North and the Shias in the South and they were massacred by Saddam’s thugs following Gulf Massacre I. They rightly, given Bush I’s dishonorable and wretched betrayal, do not trust the United States Government to keep it’s word. Neither do I.

As for the other brush fires a good start would be stop sending military expeditions on behalf of the Fortune 500 and operate U.S. Foreign Policy in the interests of the Nation as a whole rather than in the interests of a monied elite.

And in conclusion not only are you stupid but your mother dresses you funny too.

SIMPLEton you sir are a monster. What you advocate is death, destruction, and untold misery. Monster is perhaps to mild a term as it implies some degree of sentience. What you would have is not the act of a sentient being. What you advocate is pure unmitigate EVIL. May you rot in the bowels of the deepest hell for the evil you spew and champion.



Bush War Catastrophe Threatens 12 Million Iraqi Children
By Leonard Doyle
Independent Digital (UK) Ltd
2-11-3

"They come from above, from the air, and will kill us and destroy us. I can explain to you that we fear this every day and every night." -- Shelma (Five years old)
 
It is not Saddam Hussein and his henchmen, but Iraq's 12 million children who will be most vulnerable to the massive use of force that the US plans to unleash against their country in the coming months. With or without UN Security Council backing, the looming war on Iraq will have immediate and devastating consequences for the country's children, more vulnerable now than before the 1991 Gulf War.
 
A team of international investigators ö including two of the world's foremost psychologists ö have conducted the first pre-conflict field research with children and concluded that Iraqi children are already suffering "significant psychological harm" from the threat of war.
 
The team was welcomed into the homes of more than 100 Iraqi families where they found the overwhelming message to be one of fear and the thought of being killed. Many live in a news void, with little information concerning the heightened threat of war.
 
"I think every hour that something bad will happen to me" said Hadeel, aged 13.
 
Assem, five, and one of the youngest interviewed, said: "They have guns and bombs and the air will be cold and hot and we will burn very much."
 
But it is the fear expressed by the majority of the children that most shocked the team. In a breaking voice 13-year old Hind told them: "I feel fear every day that we might all die, but where shall I go if I am left alone?"
 
When and if a massive bombardment and invasion comes, the investigators predict the consequences will be so dire that the plight of Iraqi children must be given more priority when Britain and the US consider the alternatives to war.
 
Because there is only one month's supply of food in the country and the overwhelming majority depend on rations distributed by the Baghdad regime, the chaos of war could tip a population of malnourished children into starvation. And once American and British bombs start falling on President Saddam's power stations, the country's main water treatment plants will fail causing the rivers to become contaminated with sewage.
 
Millions of Iraqis rely on river water to irrigate crops and prepare food. Drinking or even washing dishes in such contaminated water will make an already vulnerable population liable to deadly diseases ranging from E-coli to typhoid.
 
Before 1990, Iraq's health care system was the pride of the Middle East and was described by the World Health Organisation as "first class". The ensuing Gulf War and sanctions have crippled the healthcare system causing death rates of children under five to double over the past decade with 70 per cent of deaths caused by easily avoidable bowel diseases and respiratory infections.
 
Despite grave concerns at the highest levels, UN agencies are unable to prepare for an emergency that has yet to happen without being accused of clearing the way for war. The World Food Programme is preparing to feed up to one million Iraqis for at least three months, but once the shooting starts it will have to pull out its expatriate staff.
 
Iraq's civilian population of 22 million is particularly vulnerable. Some 16 million ö half of them children ö are totally dependent on monthly government-distributed food rations. The last 12 years of sanctions and corruption within the regime mean that few if any families have stockpiles of food to get them through a war of any length. The World Food Programme supplies basic foodstuffs, but deliveries are left to the Iraqi government and a bombing campaign that destroys bridges over the Euphrates and Tigris rivers will stop distribution in its tracks.
 
The report of the international study team, published by the charity Warchild, warns that there will be a "humanitarian disaster" if war breaks out. Children, already weakened and vulnerable because of sanctions are "at grave risk of starvation, disease, death and psychological trauma".
 
The experts expect casualties among children to be in the thousands, probably in the tens of thousands, "and possibly in the hundreds of thousands".
 
The team concludes a new war would be "catastrophic" for Iraq's children.
 
© 2002 Independent Digital (UK) Ltd
 
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1354.htm

First, you are incorrect about Iraq not posing a threat to the United States. Saddam Hussein attempted to assassinate President George HW Bush in the late '90's, gives aid and comfort to the terrorists which have attacked US interests both here and abroad, and attempts to exacerbate the Israeli -Palestinian conflict by providing bounties to the families of homicide bombers. Furthermore, his non-compliance with inspections, his interference with the same as well as his past history of using NBC weapons would lead a reasonable person to believe that he is working to increase his stockpile of these weapons and will not scruple to use them, or sell them for others to use.

Second, you cannot say for certain when Saddam Hussein will die. What we can say for certain is that all the Iraqi people will continue to operate under a brutal regime until he does. Our hurry is to remove a tyrant from power, one whom has invaded his neighbors and rained missiles down on neutral countries. Our hurry is to liberate an oppressed people. Why do you wish to keep them enslaved?

The onus for a solution is indeed upon you, my good man, because you have said that the solution presented by my side to a problem we face as a nation is not a good one. So give us a better one. It's easy to run your fool mouth (as evidenced by KPC and Sheepdog), it's much harder to provide a solution to a problem. You're merely stalling because you haven't got a solution.

Containment has been tried and failed. Saddam Hussein was granted a cease fire ( read: a temporary reprieve from the US kicking his ass over his ears) on condition that he comply with certain UN resolutions. Mr. Hussein has NOT complied, is in violation of the cease fire, and will now have his butt again rearranged. And spare me your concern for the tens of thousands that would die, chicken little. How many were to die if we attacked the Taliban in Afghanistan? How many were going to starve? How much worse would our problem be if we attacked during Ramadan? You and the rest of the childish prognosticators haven't been right once. You just yap to hear yourselves yap. Containment hasn't worked, junior, so try another one.

We need to amend our foreign policy so it doesn't work for the Fortune 500? I knew we'd get to the Blame America First rationale eventually. Amazing that the foriegn policy of the United States is the root of all evil, and all other countries on Earth are merely reacting to it, rather than operating from self interest. Of course, in order to Blame America First, we'll have to discount a lot of what the bad guys say though. Osama and Co. claim that they started their little holy war because they were offended that infidels were parking their tanks in Saudi Arabia. The infidels were only there in the first place to oust Saddam Hussein from Kuwait. So the terrorist war on America has to do with us not being sufficiently Muslim and not with our wanting to put a Starbucks on every corner in Tel Aviv. But don't believe it. Osama just doesn't know that his war is really against the United States because of its Foreign Policy blunders. Yea, that's the ticket.

Again, no wiggle room you little pustule:

WHAT IS THE SOLUTION?

Try taking a humanity course in not being a
loafing, viscous fool without compassion just
to get a promotion.

You Yanks make me laugh. Talking absolute rubbish ie sheepdog. Just another f*cking bigot.
All talk no action.
Thats what we need people ACTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well Evil One - do you worship as well at the altar of the “Shining One”.

Your response is as I expected full of hyperbole but no clear rationale. Just warmed over propaganda. Are you unable to think for yourself or must you always parrot the party line? Is that what you are paid to do?

Your stalwart defense of EVIL betrays you for what you are. I need only point it out for your arguments to crumble in the light of truth. The only solution you offer is death and destruction. I reject utterly your total absence of support for that which men name good.

Being in favor a foreign policy that is in the best interests of the nation as a whole is not a “hate America” Policy. Unless of course you have sworn allegiance to the Fortune 500 - a definite possibility. Well, have you punk?

May you receive twice the evil you sow.

Yanks huh?
We don't just talk.
Some of us (like me) already
took a little live fire and
learned only fools shoot off
their mouth without backup.
We still are WELL armed unlike yourself.

Diogenes, are you two people, or are there more living in that little head of yours?

Answer the question or surrender the field.

Spare me your curses and whining.

WHAT IS THE SOLUTION?

If, indeed, you were concerned with a solution to the problems of you own making...which, obviously, you are not, unless those solutions are in agreement with what you propose....you would realize that thinking in terms of solutions that only apply to Iraq is treating the symptom and not the cause. Unless the US is willing to look critically at OUR OWN culpability in Saddam's rise to power in order to avoid such situations in the future...a self-critique that your shitty pResident is doing everything in his power to avoid....then we are condemded to suffer the same problems in the future.

But your shitty pResident is not concerned with solving this problem. In fact, this "problem" provides a convinient diversion from domestic issues that the FuckFace-in-Thief has no proposals of any substance. If more Iraqs are lined up in the pipe, more the better for him. He is cynically manipulating events for the benefit of a narrow few and to the detriment of the majority of the American people.

Bush is a traitor. You are a coward and a liar because you know this to be true but do not have the integrity or the guts to think for yourself and speak the truth. You are only concerned with the partisan gains of your patrons, and to hell with the rest of the country. You are the foundation on which facism in this country is being built.

So fuck you and your cynical demand for solutions....we can see right through your tired act....

You want a solution, Simple? Why don't you try working for one, instead of advocating violence? You sit and bemoan Saddam's regime, and yet never comprehend that he is a mere puppet, previously supported by Bush Daddy and Rum-Tum Rummy.

You want a solution, Simple? Stop funding right-wing dictators and death squads around the world. You know: the 'ol School of the Americas grads, who we conveniently train in torture and other fun things. Maybe people around the globe would not HATE Americans so much if we stopped assassinating democratically elected leaders (READ: Allende in Chile in 1973) or trying to depose them in other dastardly ways (READ: Hugo Chavez in Venezuela).

Finally, how about promoting peace instead of arms sales? Uh oh, now wait a minute; we make lots of money through those arms sales. So do our best buds, the Israelis. We can't cut into profits now, can we? Bad for business and all that, right? Who cares if the world is at war for a third time, as long as we can make a buck!

Children, you're not paying attention. I don't want to hear about history lessons from people who obviously slept through history.

WHAT IS THE SOLUTION?

Brian, Communism is a disaster on par with it's ideological twin, Fascism. The support of anti-communist dictators in the past by the United States has a lot to do with the fact that the Soviet Union was promoting Communist rebellions. War leads to strange bedfellows - much like how we were saddled with the murderous Stalin in the Second World War.

The stupid argument that you and KPC bring up (again) is that we shouldn't do anything to Saddam since we are guilty of propping him up and encouraging him in the 70's and 80's. What kind of sense does that make? If you make a monster, is it not responsible behavior to kill it before it kills again? Are you guys with some dictator's right to life organization?

The effect of eradicating Saddam will be the liberation of the Iraqi people, much like the eradication of the Taliban resulted in the liberation of the Afghan people. Why do you want to keep the Iraqis laboring under fascism?

Now, KPC, we've been through this before.

You are intellectually no match for whatever it is I stepped in on the way to work today, so stop bothering me or I'll give you a "time out".

You always run that sewer below your nose, but when asked a simple question you clam up. Strange. You, Sheepdog, Diogenes, and the rest of your Leftist glue-sniffing friends cannot fathom an answer to a simple question. Instead you attack the messenger, and point to irrelevant historical crap.

This President is not leaving important work on the back burner. This President doesn't sell our national security secrets to China for illegal election money. This President was handed an economy in decline by a purveyor of the Pyramid game, and is working masterfully to correct it. Name a domestic problem that you can pin on the Bush Administration. That'll get your head hurting.

The problem is Iraq, Iran, North Korea, and Islamic fundamentalism. What do you propose to do about it?

So far your answer is do nothing. Not good enough.

Pvt. Fido:' The stupid argument that you and KPC bring up (again) is that we shouldn't do anything to Saddam since we are guilty of propping him up and encouraging him in the 70's and 80's."

Nope. Wrong, as you are always wrong. What I said was addressing the symptom, as your narrowminded ilk propose, will not solve anything because it does not address the root cause, and that YOU, and those shits you defend, have NO interest in addressing the root cause. I NEVER said "that we shouldn't do anything to Saddam", as you lyingly claim. All I said that what YOU propose to be done, which is GO TO WAR...is a mistake and wrong. What we should do about Saddam should be dealt with in terms of addressing the root cause, otherwise, you conduct an inept scattershot attempt at addressing the problem and are unlikely to make any progress...your solution amounts to "spend millions of taxpayer dollars to build a tyrant...spend millions of taxpayer dollars to remove same...kill hundreds of thousands of innocents in the process...repeat". Not a very practical recipe for success, but, of course, you and your Shrub WANT more Saddams, so why should we do anything about preventing future ones?

...but, you know this...I point this out because this is standard operating procedure for finding "solutions" that you claim to be looking for...but you are a liar and a shill. As a shill, you avoid the points brought up and speak the words that were put in your mouth. As a liar, you dismiss what you know to be true and obfuscate the issue. You are a piece of shit, Pvt. Fido, a stinky, runny, fetid piece of shit. You have NO intelligence, NO intergrity, and NOTHING of value to add to any debate. You predictable, uninteresting, and unfunny.

You are nothing but my doggie...good for nothing except kicking and fetching slippers...

...by the way, where ARE those slippers, doggie, or must a apply more boot pressure to that stupid ass of yours?

Simple, you wrote:

'Brian, Communism is a disaster on par with it's ideological twin, Fascism. '

How can you equate a system which calls for the re-distribution of land equitably to an Italian political party doctrine that declared business interests as the most important interest of the Fascist State? Truly, your mind is warped!


'The support of anti-communist dictators in the past by the United States has a lot to do with the fact that the Soviet Union was promoting Communist rebellions. War leads to strange bedfellows - much like how we were saddled with the murderous Stalin in the Second World War. '

So two wrongs make a right? We should just accept the notion thta it is OK to install puppet tyrants?


'The stupid argument that you and KPC bring up (again) is that we shouldn't do anything to Saddam since we are guilty of propping him up and encouraging him in the 70's and 80's. What kind of sense does that make? If you make a monster, is it not responsible behavior to kill it before it kills again? '

Instead of killing the monster, why not kill the creator? That way, no more monsters! The old monsters will all die off eventually...


'The effect of eradicating Saddam will be the liberation of the Iraqi people, much like the eradication of the Taliban resulted in the liberation of the Afghan people. Why do you want to keep the Iraqis laboring under fascism? '

So now you're a prophet? What are tomorrow's lottery numbers? Oh, Afghans are liberated, are they? What planet are we talking about here? And for the record, Iraq is not a Fascist state. It may be totalitarian, but these days, so is the USA.

'Instead you attack the messenger, and point to irrelevant historical crap.'

We assail your views, not you personally. Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it !


'The problem is Iraq, Iran, North Korea, and Islamic fundamentalism. What do you propose to do about it?'

Isn't the problem really competition for decreasing resources and land by increasingly more people on an already over-populated planet? What is your answer to that?

There is oil in them hills!

Either a carpet of gold or a carpet of bombs. choose, Taliben. 2, aug 2001






(remember John O'Neil)

So, KPC, you spend two whole paragraphs boring us with attacks on me, and never answering the question.

Pretend for a minute you are the President of the United States. On 11 September 01 Islamic terrorists attack the country and kill better than 3,000 American citizens. Over the next 18 months other Islamic terrorists bomb hotels and nightclubs, assassinate US citizens and officials, and murder hundreds.
Simultaneously, the North Koreans announce that they have been violating a treaty they signed with your predecessor (a treaty which earned a failed joke of a former President a Nobel Peace Prize), and Iran and Iraq are implicated in training, paying for, and harboring terrorists. WHAT DO YOU DO?

Now, I'm not asking you to show us how well you swear, sonny; I'm asking you how you would deal with a difficult geopolitical situation. If it's too much for you, you can of course slink off after another round of profanity. Good luck.

Brian, Communism is a discredited ideology rightfully consigned to the ashheap of history. Your theories of egalitarianism become a reality of forced labor, deprivation, intentional starvation, torture, and murder. This is how your precious system mirrors Fascism. If you admire Communism so much, why don't you take a trip to Chicago and talk to some Poles and Czechs and Russians? They can tell you a little about your worker's paradise. Ask our friends in Little Saigon about how wonderful Communism is - so wonderful that these people risked shark and pirate infested waters for the small chance to be away from it.

The people of Afghanistan HAVE been liberated. Why don't you ask them? Make sure to talk to the women. Or are you suggesting they would have been better off if the Americans hadn't ousted the Taliban?

The persons who attacked our country didn't do so because they were competing for diminishing resources on a rapidly -filling planet. They did so because they wish to spread their religion by the sword. Neo-green fantasies of silent springs and too many mouths to feed are just a little too silly to take seriously. The problem is our country has been attacked, and I want to know what you would do about it.

..fuck off, doggie, I've already wasted enough effort on you, why don't you go burn some ants with a magnifying glass or something of equal challenge to your intellect.

"Now, I'm not asking you to show us how well you swear, sonny; I'm asking you how you would deal with a difficult geopolitical situation. If it's too much for you, you can of course slink off after another round of profanity. Good luck. "

Thought so.

what part of "Fuck Off" are you having trouble with, doggie?

"Communism is a discredited ideology rightfully consigned to the ashheap of history. Your theories of egalitarianism become a reality of forced labor, deprivation, intentional starvation, torture, and murder."

Does this include the commies in China? The land covered with factories owned by US Corporations? WalMart's buddies? Forced labor and torture sounds ideal for American multinationals. That must be why their flooding over there. Hell, I've noticed alot of Made in Vietnam labels on clothing. Are these the same commies you criticize? Corporate America loves them, now. Isn't that ironic? And you loooove Corporate America!

Oh yeah, irony is lost to rightwing thugs like Simple Pimple.

Actually, Granny it does include China. I am opposed to our trading with them. We defeated the Soviet Union by isolating them, not trading with them. We should treat the Chinese the same way.

"Simple Pimple"...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

A small beam of rational thought.
( I hope your supervisor doesn't freak)
Isolate, not attack.
Hell, if we would stop threatening the
population, they would probally rise up
themselves now that our CIA isn't isn't
propping up his evil government.

I'm reading this stuff here in CANADA and I have to tell you it's GREAT. I'm totally entertained by the rich writing, even the artful and creative use of profanity.
It's good for the soul to hear that there is American opposition to this war. I never doubted it, but it is good to read.
I know that I said I'm from Canada but, in the end, we're all part of the same fabric. Simple Simon, you may want to check your family tree because it will ultimately date back 6,000 years ago and take you to a land between two rivers - the cradle of civilization, and incidentally the very place you want so despartely to destroy.

Yes, but the interesting and thoughtful postings are all by Simple Simon. The other guys are over their heads here.

When I think of Simple Simon & Bush Admirer
I am reminded of the cartoon series 'Catdog'
a favorite of my children when they thought
such abominations of nature were funny. Just
one problem. The shit can only come out of
their mouth. Surgery is recommended.

ok saddam gives money to families of palestinian suicide bombers... thats bad - cannot deny that

but how can u ppl say that israel's policy of collective punishment and ghettoization of the palestinian population is justified?

both policies result in a cycle of violence
so how can u criticize one policy without criticizing the other?

until the US withdraws its military support for israel
it is no better than saddam at least in the aspect of funding terrorists.

Sheepdog, are you suggesting that we pursue with regards to Iraq the same policy of isolation that worked against the Soviet Union?

Excellent.

Now join me in condemning the French and Germans and Russians for trading with the Iraqis, help me to shore up the holes in the UN sanctions, and let's get some more planes in those no-fly zones. Once the Iraqis have been cut off 100% from the international community (which will no doubt stand united now that Rear Admiral Sheepdog is in full support), we will have Saddam right where we want him.

Glad to have you on board, Sir.

Don't demote me to officer status.
But you may stand at ease.