01/14/2003
As will soon become evident, the following thread of ten email messages is intended to satisfy the agreement between myself and members of BankIndex & PMC4, LLC. Since I could think of no better way to encapsulate their concerns expressed herein, I decided to publish the conversation verbatim (parts of which have already been published by Michael Rivero in the "Reader's Letters" section of whatreallyhappened.com) Only names and email address have been altered for the sake of privacy.
-S. Boyle
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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003
From: "S. Boyle"
Subject: Look what I found....
To: Lord Nudimmud, BankIndex, PMC4
CC: Michael Rivero
Michael Rivero tacked up a link to this BankIndex article late today (01/09/03) -- odd, considering that it was published last June and it is not a news item. Stranger still is that the anonymous contributer writes in a very distinctive manner uncannily similar to "Lord Nudimmud," whom BankIndex has also published (to date the only professional credit for Lord N). But what I find most peculiar is why a finacial information site even chose to publish an anonymously authored piece about some vaguely defined mysterious cabal in between articles for credit cards and home mortgages?
Care to comment on BankIndex's connection to "The Secret Covenant," Michael Rivero, and Lord Nudimmud -- and the unusual timing of its appearance on whatreallyhappened.com?
-S. Boyle
THE SECRET COVENANT. Full version, rated R !
THE SECRET COVENANT An illusion it will be, so large, so vast it will escape their perception. Those who will see it will be thought of as insane.....
....This covenant must NEVER, EVER be known to exist. It must NEVER, EVER be written or spoken of for if it is, the consciousness it will spawn will release the fury of the PRIME CREATOR upon us and we shall be cast to the depths from whence we came and remain there until the end time of infinity itself. Written by UNKNOWN Author has submitted second version, Posted 6/21/2002
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Bankindex Staff wrote:
Dear S. Boyle;
We would love to reply. Before we do, would you be kind enough to provide us with your real name. We are assuming “S. Boyle” is your pen name. Also, we would like to know your title and position at IndyMedia, your telephone number and the name and telephone number of the Chief Editor at IndyMedia.
Several articles you have written mentioning Bankindex.com, its managing partners and its associates contain totally erroneous information. You imply the wrong things about the organization its objectives and its affiliations.
You should know that your articles have been brought to the attention of our staff and our attorneys who are currently reviewing them for proper action. We are mystified by your motivations and wonder why you are setting up yourself and IndyMedia for a lawsuit.
We also fail to understand why a respectable organization like IndyMedia would allow its editorial staff to publish your bellicose, slanted and malicious disinformation.
The Bankindex Staff
CC/General Counsel
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Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003
From: "S. Boyle"
Subject: Re: Look what I found....
To: BankIndex
I do not necessarily work as a volunteer at Indymedia, but I do us its open publishing format.
I would be most interested to hear what parts of my articles you found troublesome as I honestly reported what I uncovered - in fact I believe I got most of my information regarding your corporation from your own web sites. Please be aware that no malice was intended other than to show the connections between Michael Rivero, WRH and PMC4 - in fact I believe my adherence to factual matters has been more rigorous then the person I'm reporting about
S. Boyle
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Bankindex Staff wrote:
Dear S. Boyle
Obviously you do not wish to come forward. We can get your information by contacting IndyMedia directly, that's not a problem.
We wish to make one thing clear. You will not smear Bankindex.com, its Managing Partners or affiliates and get away with it.
Your "disinformation" essays imply links to "underground" movements and "militants" and we strongly resent that. You also stated Carol Adler's relationship to PMC4, LLC incorrectly, and PMC4, LLC does not own Dandelion.
We are a serious organization whose purpose is to MAKE MONEY! We work above the surface with pride and respect and our company is owned by some of the biggest names in the business.
If any of the essays you have written were to cause any harm to our company or harm the reputation of its Managing Partners you will be liable and we are going to go after YOU and IndyMedia!
As things are now, you are in extremely dangerous waters with the disinformation you have published.
I recommend a full retraction or the complete deletion of what you have written thus far.
The Bankindex Staff
CC/General Counsel
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Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003
From: "S. Boyle"
Subject: Re: Look what I found....
To: BankIndex
I am unable to remove any of the material that offends you because I do not have access to the servers on which they are stored. I suggest that you contact the webmasters directly and report you concerns and your demand for removal.
As for publishing a retraction, I do not believe that is necessary. As I will explain, the conclusion that PMC4 is the parent company of the various coroporate divisions is quite understandable, in fact irrefutable:
"GoOff! is backed by Dandelion Books, LLC
(
http://www.dandelionbooks.net), who happens to be the publisher of Michael Rivero's soon to be released hard-back, Cyber Soldiers And Silicon Patriots: The New Face Of Political Dissent (ISBN189330230X - $18.95). GoOff! purports to tell the "...truth uncensored" - conveniently packaged as Dandelion books, advertised on-site, and available for purchase or redistribution through their affiliate program. Overseeing the entire operation is a corporate entity named PMC4, LLC."
1. Dandelion Books makes the following claim on their website:
You will find all Dandelion Books for sale at www.GoOff.com <
http://www.gooff.com/> our bookstore website.
2. GoOff! lists their address as
20500 W. Country Club Drive
Suite # 814
Aventura, Florida 33180
3. PMC4 lists their address as
20500 W. Country Club Dr.
Suite 814
Aventura, Florida 33280
How can any reasonable person not come to the conclusion that Dandelion Books, GoOff! and PMC4 are not part of the same corporate entity?
As for BankIndex, this is what I wrote:
"The BankIndex interview: -
http://www.bankindex.com/wrh/ The three-part interview conducted by J. Conti (who also writes for GoOff.com) is displayed between advertisements for loans, foreclosure notices, debt consolidations, and credit cards offers endorsed by BankIndex. The financial services site also "provides a global platform upon which the Financial Businesses of the world can showcase their product lines and services" and "for select Financial Institutions we offer a highly competitive fee structure to be included in our different promotional plans 'Showcase' arena." (
http://www.bankindex.com/company/aboutus.asp) It just so happens that BankIndex is a division of PMC4, LLC"
I would direct you to your own website wherein the following claim is made:
"BankIndex.com™ is a division of the PMC4, LLC family.
The PMC4, LLC Corporate Office is located in Aventura Florida."
http://www.bankindex.com/company/contactus.asp PMC4, LLC
20500 W. Country Club Drive
Suite # 814, Aventura
Florida, 33180
Finally, I made no claim or suggestion of a connection between Green Beret Steven Barry and BankIndex or any other company in the PMC4 corporation.
S. Boyle
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Bankindex Staff wrote:
S. Boyle,
We are not amateur thinkers. You have been going out of your way for a while now to imply that WRH has underground connections to "militant" groups....a claim that is completely frivolous as well as COMPLETELY GROUNDLESS. You further try to imply that Mr. Rivero works for us or that somehow we finance his operation. And that is exactly the point you are trying to make in your malicious disinformation pieces! By implication you are trying to say that we are part of the same alleged movement! You did not address such claims in your last reply, did you?
We are currently contacting the head of IndyMedia and the matter is being referred to the most prominent Law Firm in Miami.
Your irresponsible comments, poorly done research and maliciousness is going to land you and in a courtroom (without a doubt). And when your real name surfaces, and it will very soon, everyone is going to know who you are and what you have been doing. EVERYONE! Rest assured!
You see, we have nothing to hide. We are a legitimate business operation, but YOU are not!
Again, we strongly suggest that you find a way to remove your publications from the web and that you stop this nonsense. An apology is also in order.
The Staff @ Bankindex
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Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003
From: "S. Boyle"
Subject: Re: Look what I found....
To: BankIndex
I believe to made myself quite clear that the importance of the PMC4 connection is the hypocritical anti-corporate stance of WRH and Michael Rivero. Clearly the significance of the Rivero interviews by both BankIndex and GoOff are not coincidental or trivial. Why would these two particular for-profit websites have an interest in Michael Rivero?
The obvious conclusion is that it must in some way generate income for the PMC4 websites, leading to the natural speculation of a business deal. And as you know, business deals do not constitute a complete or even partial agreement of philosophical viewpoints between the parties involved, only a financial transaction.
In no way do I suggest or imply that PMC4 funds or supports the Special Forces Underground. In fact, since this matter transpired in the early 1990s (as I had correctly reported) before the founding of WRH or PMC4 such a connection is impossible to make. I dare say that trying prove that I even intended for such a conclusion from what I specifically wrote will be a fruitless task.
What I did suggest is that Michael Rivero's posting of the militia's newsletters and his willingness to answer questions about them indicates on his part a sympathy for the movement and some, if not all, of its objectives. This idea is further reinforced by messages Michael Rivero posted on the Usenet many years ago advocating the purchase of T-shirts from the Arizona militia to provide the group financial support.
Regarding the apology, Michael Rivero published this comment on WRH today (1/11/03); "Mr. Boyle is reported to have tried to apologize in private to get out of the mess." Since I did not contact Michael Rivero after the initial inquiry, I can only assume that you provided this information to Michael. Therefore, since you have already made the claim that I have made an apology, then by your own admission I have fulfilled this requirement for you.
The allegations you have made against me don't seem to be supported by the printed word. I have patiently explained the errors in your arguments to which you have made no comment. I would suggest that you to draft whatever statement you wish for me to make because I do not honestly understand your specific injury other than to have the corporate names and connections made public -- and as a public company that's hardly injurious. The fact of the matter is that you, BankIndex, nor PMC4 have ever made it clear on your websites what your coroporate structure is and who is involved.
I would also like to point out that I am not a business operation and have never received compensation (money, property, etc.) for any of the articles I have written.
Now, do I you correctly in saying that you (BankIndex) will represent WRH and Michael Rivero in a lawsuit against me? How do plan to do that if there is in fact no connection between BankIndex, a member of the PMC4 family, and Michael Rivero and What Really Happened?
-S. Boyle
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Bankindex Staff wrote:
S. Boyle
We will be straight forward with you so there are no misunderstandings.
You have correctly identified that we are business minded. The interest in WRH stems from the fact that Mr. Rivero operates one of the most visited news sites in the WORLD! Let us repeat that again, ONE OF THE MOST VISITED NEWS SITES IN THE WORLD!
That makes him very, VERY appealing!
Now, for any deal to take place, an underlying corporate structure is necessary, you agree? Yes, good!
So, when you say this: "business deals do not constitute a complete or even partial agreement of philosophical viewpoints between the parties involved, only a financial transaction." You are correct!
But when you state:
"I believe to made myself quite clear that the importance of the PMC4 connection is the hypocritical anti-corporate stance of WRH and Michael Rivero." You are incorrect! Here's where your reasoning fails you. We doubt that Mr. Rivero is anti-corporate (too broad a term to have used) in the sense you mean it. The gentleman even owns his own corporation!
Moreover, it is not for us to decide what Mr.Rivero means, nor it is for you to do so. From the Bankindex.com viewpoint, we are delighted to be able to interview Mr. Rivero and to have some of our links posted to his site (I am sure even CNN is). You see, the traffic that is derived from just one link on his site is enough to bring down most servers! In addition, did you ever think that perhaps no one else had the guts to do an interview with him? Why must you pursue the sinister angle? If Mr. Rivero’s site were without merit, the staggering statistics from visitors from all corners of the world would simply not exist!
There is no hypocrisy in anything we have done, and above all no tie or connection to any type of group or groups-nor will there be, ever!
When Mr. Rivero’s book is published, we will be glad to carry it in GoOFF.com. That is what GoOFF.com is, a venue built and meant to CAPITALIZE on the UNEXPLOITED CURRENT MARKET CONDITIONS. I don’t suppose you are going to start writing about all the authors we are going to be publishing, are you?
The millions of people who visit WhatReallyHappened.com regularly will appreciate Mr. Rivero’s book. They are his fans and they love him.
Our goal is to tap into the fantastically ENORMOUS market the Mainstream has created by virtue of how they do things. There is nothing, absolutely nothing wrong with pursuing that angle. Our concept is as American as grandma's apple pie.
In closing, we respectfully ask that the very least, you correct your prior publications to show our point of view and to include your own statements clarifying what you meant.
Ideally, it would be much better if you stopped this nonsense and removed the entire piece, which we have been told, is possible.
Also, since you seem to have a great deal to say and to write about. You should consider sending in a manuscript to Dandelion Publications. Perhaps we can publish your book at GoOFF.com!
The Bankindex Staff
CC/ Partners and Managers
General Counsel PMC4, LLC
Law Offices of xxxxx and xxxxx
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Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003
From: "S. Boyle"
Subject: Re: Look what I found....
To: BankIndex
I think your request sounds reasonable enough -- expect a message detailing your concerns and point of view within the week.
-S. Boyle
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Much appreciated!
The Staff @ Bankindex
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