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by August West
Sunday, Mar. 03, 2002 at 11:54 AM
[This is an excellent article by August West on Leftist denial about 9-11 which I am reposting. And it raises a most fundamental and pressing question of why all you progressives accept the Official USA Government version of events]
WHY THEY BELIEVE THE GOVERNMENT- LEFT DENIAL ON 9/11
A couple of weeks ago, a friend of mine presented to the Infoshop site an article he had posted on several indymedia sites regarding the real story behind 9/11. He
sf.indymedia.org/news/2002/03/117429.php
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by do
Sunday, Mar. 03, 2002 at 12:27 PM
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by Socialist
Sunday, Mar. 03, 2002 at 5:32 PM
Socialists are the left by definition, and we do question the government's story and most of us believe that this was Operation Northwood realized. That Operation, as all readers of the above information know, was the CIA's attempt to frame Cuba with a contrived incident to make it appear that tiny little Cuba attacked the mighty USA. Someone came to their senses and put that plan on hold. Most of us understand that this was another Reichstag Fire, another Nero burning Rome. It is obvious from the above information and all the rest we have been reading and hearing that this was a CIA and US Air Force operation to create an excuse for a blood for oil war abroad and promoting fascism at home, at a time when the capitalist economy is in serious trouble. We know from all our reading that the Bin Ladens and the Bushes are business partners in the Carlyle Group, a defense contractor promoter, that Osama Bin Laden is a long-time CIA agent, having been active in opposing the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, working with the CIA, and that oil is a primary concern of the Bushes and the capitalist class they represent and are a part of.
We also know that this is the same ruling class that murdered Malcolm X, Martin Luther King and their own John and Robert Kennedy.
Having said all that, now what? We certainly cannot go to the servile Congress, which is bought and paid for by the same capitalist class. What we can do is oppose all imperalist wars and oppose fascism at home. Newspapers cannot engage in speculation or rumor-mongering. In addition, the socialist press is small and already has a plethora of issues to cover with always insufficient funds. The reason we have this crisis in the first place is because labor is weak. What we need above all else is labor organizing.
All who are covering the Reichstag Fire aspect of this crisis should continue doing so. The Internet is read by millions of people, and all of the above articles and others are much appreciated, well-read, and downloaded for preservation on paper. Keep up the good work.
The World Socialist Website has been covering the Reichstag Fire aspect of this crisis. We could argue that they should do more, but they do concentrate on other issues. In any event, the March 2, 2002 online edition has an article, with links to previous articles, at:
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/mar2002/abc-m02.shtml
www.wsws.org/articles/2002/mar2002/abc-m02.shtml
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by reality theorist
Sunday, Mar. 03, 2002 at 10:10 PM
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Why do we need concern ourselves with the covert actions of individuals or institutions, and the possible motives behind those actions, when the overt actions singularly condemn them without need for further elaboration? I disagree that it is necessary or important to figure out if conspiracy theories are true or not. I find them way beside the point. This is not denial on my part. I simply don’t care. Verifiable history reveals enough repugnant activities to demonize the enemies of freedom and liberty till the end of time. I would rather spend my precious little energy expounding on the easily verifiable rather than putting any effort in proving a theory that goes way beyond any necessary critique.
Witness this: plenty of folks in the US are a little confused as to the efficacy of bombing Afghanistan to ‘capture’ bin Laden. In fact a great many believe these horrific actions were necessary due to the horrific fact of 9/11. This position may not be well thought out, encouraged as it is by the jingoistic nationalism that seeps from the mainstream press like so much shit from a septic tank, but it remains a weak and arguable point. People have traveled to Afghanistan to document the effect of the repeated bombing of Afghanistan - how the US is responsible for killing way more innocent Afghanis than innocent civilians who were killed in the crumbling towers and burning Pentagon. The presumed evil culprit has (conveniently) eluded capture so that we may continue to have an excuse for an endless war. The situation is evident, the circumstances are unarguable. All that remains is to convince folks that these actions need not be done in our name. Here we have yet another possibility for weaving viable critique of US foreign policy in an attempt to convince masses of people to take appropriate action to stop the horror being perpetrated in the name of grief.
But what of a critique that suggests that the US government is even more deranged than its actions already clearly reveal? What of a critique that suggests that the demons of the world are actually far more evil than our present analysis suggests? What of it I say? Of what use is such a critique when a ‘simple’ question like ‘should the US be engaged in an endless war?’ remains unasked?
These good questions remain unexamined for a variety of reasons but not least of which is that those with a healthy critique are often lumped together with those who promote absurd or unhealthy critiques. In other words: my questioning the moral underpinning of the bombing of Afghani civilians is is somehow put on the same table with those who believe they were anally probed by aliens. The company makes me uncomfortable.
Not that I dismiss ALL conspiracy theory out of hand, I just do not see the usefulness of promoting these ideas at this time. I keep my beliefs on these matters private.
If I were to have a favorite conspiracy theory it would concern the proliferation of conspiracy theories whenever the state is in a critical situation where its legitimacy is possibly threatened. It goes like this: somewhere in the bowels of the Pentagon, in a place untouched by the recent fires, exists a bunch of fellows bound to computer terminals. Their job is to create fantastic stories of demonic activities that make the evident evils of of US foreign policy look benign by comparison. These stories may possibly find an audience among the disaffected left. They are supported by strategic placement of web-based evidence, all presumably verifiable by savvy computer users, so that an audience can be assured for even the most wild assertions. Should a hapless civilian come across these sources and take on the ‘cause’ without further aide from the Pentagon, then all the better, because then the cabal of disinformation can begin weaving yet other, even more absurd conspiracies. The ultimate goal of such an organization? To further muddy the waters of public discourse and illustrate to any potential policy fence sitters that they certainly do not want to identify with those crazy conspiracy theorists. Why even those of us with a valid critique of current events will have doubt cast upon them, for they will be associated with stuff that is even harder to believe than the truth.
Once again I am not adverse to conspiracy theory. I only question its usefulness in promoting progressive social change. Denial is not appropriate in my case. I continue to insist it is a river in Egypt. HIV is a result of US government attempts to create a perfect biological weapon? Possibly. LBJ engineered the assassination of JFK? Possibly. Last night I thought I was probed by aliens only to find this morning my smiling assuring me that everything was all right. I still find him the easiest to believe.
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by Socialist
Sunday, Mar. 03, 2002 at 11:36 PM
The information uncovered by people who are apparently lumped into a category called conspiracy theorists is very valuable and necessary. It is this investigative research, typical of the research done by journalists and lawyers, that uncovered the Carlyle Group, Unocal's interest in an oil pipeline in Afghanistan, the history of the CIA and Bin Laden in Afghanistan in opposing the Soviet Union under whose Afghan government women were educated, the actions of the CIA and the US Air Force in perpetrating 911, the connection of the mysterious manipulation of stock options just before 911 and the directors of the stock market, who often have been CIA agents when they are not sitting on bank boards, with the CIA's drug-running operations, and much more. All of this teaches the class nature of this society, which is always necessary. It is due to the capitalist profit motive that the US is in Afghanistan, where the US military is making it possible for Unocal to build its long-planned oil pipeline, not chasing after the CIA agent Bin Laden, who is obviously coordinating all this with Bush, and Bush's friends. Americans especially need to be taught to question everything as there is too much blind following of the TV-government propaganda garbage. While this research continues, and continues to be published on the wonderful Internet, we continue to build our peace movement, continue to fight fascism here at home, and above all, continue to organize the unorganized and build a desperately needed labor movement. It is all one struggle.
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by another socialist
Monday, Mar. 04, 2002 at 3:15 PM
"Socialists are the left by definition, and we do question the government's story and most of us believe that this was Operation Northwood realized."
Huh? I don't know where you live but most socialists I know don't think that. Perhaps a small fringe that spends more time on the internet than in the workplace does but not the working class.
Reality theorist was right on the money. The structural and systemic flaws of capitalism are what needs emphasis.
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by Socialist
Monday, Mar. 04, 2002 at 6:24 PM
We all work fulltime for a living, participate in a wide varity of actions, and we all must read for knowledge is power. The Internet is one source of information, and an excellent one at that. The information we receive from all sources can and must be disseminated in our political work. Anti-intellectualism has no place in the socialist community. If you read any socialist publication, you will see many references to the above information in one way or another. This is part of demonstrating the bankruptcy of capitalism.
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