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by Billy Bob
Tuesday, Sep. 04, 2001 at 9:15 PM
Register writes a small article on the protests
Supremacist concert protested
September 3, 2001
By NANCY LUNA The Orange County Register
Anaheim A boisterous crowd of 40 demonstrators gathered outside an Anaheim club Sunday protesting a concert featuring white supremacist bands.
Cries of "Losers" and "Nazi music has to go" filled the air outside The Shack on Kraemer Boulevard. Protesters included Libertarians, the Jewish Defense League and black-clad, hooded anarchists.
"People shouldn't be profiteering from this stuff," said Michael Novick, a protest organizer and a member of the group Anti-Racist Action.
The demonstration ended without incident as a small contingent of police watched from across the street.
About 80 people filed past demonstrators, kept back by Shack bouncers.
"We may not have the popular opinion, but we have the right to freedom of speech," said Tommy Romero, the promoter who booked the bands.
Shack owner John Terbay said he did not support white supremacy, but supported the bands' right to play. His club hosts a variety of acts, from hip-hop to heavy metal.
Several concert-goers criticized demonstrators.
"They are here to stop a political voice - that's un-American," said Christopher Johnson of Newport Beach, grand dragon for the state Ku Klux Klan. "They are embarrassing themselves."
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by leftistlatino
Tuesday, Sep. 04, 2001 at 10:44 PM
This "article" was ridiculous. The accompanying picture (which I guess wasn't posted on this website) has a protestor throwing away the business card of the Grand Dragon of the KKK in disgust. Of course, the picture posits the protestor as if he is attacking the KKK man while a gaggle of anarchists are standing in the background. And that final quote is just lovely. The reporter who did this article let that racist cloak himself with the First Amendment and in the process gave him some legitimacy (especially amongst the Reg's notoriously shallow-minded readers). Meanwhile, the article does not point out that the Shack has lied in the past about its ties with neo-Nazi shows, instead letting the owner protect his lying with the expected "I'm not a white supremicist but I respect anyone who is" argument. The Reg tries to pass itself off as a party of liberty yet loves to bash the Left at every opportunity.
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by johnk
Wednesday, Sep. 05, 2001 at 7:49 AM
It's appalling how little sophistication the Reg expects from its readers. The owner is squirming out with the old "I support their right to speech" argument. The First Amendment also allows for him to *not* host the hate groups, so, considering this, we might fairly conclude that the owner is in support of hate groups.
There are numerous restrictions on the freedom of expression, based on the content of the expression. Excessively "lewd" behavior is subject to arrest. You can't threaten someone bodily harm. If your material doesn't meet community standards, the community can demand that the show be stopped.
These hate groups advocate for everything from the violation of civil rights of non-whites all the way to organizing gangs to injure and murder non-whites. For these reasons, most club owners won't host events for hate groups. The probably realize that supporting hate is corrosive to the community, and is risky besides.
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by %
Wednesday, Sep. 05, 2001 at 2:53 PM
letters@ocregister.com
The letters section is one of the most widely read sections of papers. We can bombard the Register with letters in response to this. Hate is not free speech! When nazis are telling us we're next in the oven, that is not free speech.
If we bombard the Register with letters, maybe some will get printed, and we can counter all the BS that was in the article.
It's ironic that the Register is owned by a bunch of Libertarians, that the reporter for this article was a person of color, and that there were several Libertarians protesting the nazis, yet this piece of nazi propaganda gets printed as an article!
As Jello said, "Don't hate the media, become the media." With letters, we can become the media (that is if they print them). But the more that are written, the more likely they will be to print them.
And does anyone know where in Newport Beach the kkk dragon lives? Maybe people could protest his shithole next!
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by jk
Wednesday, Sep. 05, 2001 at 6:08 PM
Send Letters to the Editor to: letters@ocregister.com or fax them to 714-565-3657. Letters should be about 150 words and must include an address and telephone number for verification. Letters may be edited for length, clarity and grammar.
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by a little birdie
Wednesday, Sep. 05, 2001 at 6:40 PM
lasdfj
well welll well... i have to say the show sure was a success, while we were in there drinking beer and having a great time, all you ninjas and tweekers were looking pretty stupid, not getting support from anyone... and the language that was being used was very hideous... or i guess that is to be expected from someone with no education... find something worthwile to protest... like violence of your buddy novick... by the way great article showing the violence and stupidity of you guys
nien
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by Suzie
Wednesday, Sep. 05, 2001 at 8:35 PM
It looks to me like some people just can't handle the truth and just want everything their way. You think people should stop believing what the believe just because you don't like it? Nice try. I keep seeing the old statement about "violent Nazis", but I don't recall thier being any violence or harsh threats from our side, just yours, HMM isn't that funny. Looks like you should be marked the aggressive ones. When you talk about forming gangs and beating up and even killing non-whites, I hope that is a joke, I see more WHITE deaths caused by black and mexicans gangs.Oh and Sorry to burst your bubble but, we don't form gangs, we are not unintelligent thugs. No matter what you think, we will always be around, if you shut down the shack believe me we will find another place to play. Because we may always be out numbered, but we will NEVER be out gunned. HAIL VICTORY! 14/88
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by FenrirWolf
Wednesday, Sep. 05, 2001 at 9:39 PM
I can't believe that anyone can go on living and thinking the way some people do nowadays. I'm curious why everyone will rush to support the right of communists, anarchists and the like as freedom of speech but national socialists get treated like "the plague" no matter what. The article from the register was a fair representation of what went on, but since it didn't slam us it is considered racist nazi propoganda (which is funny considering the parties publishing and writing the article). You people need to rethink your outlook on life and decide where you want to live. Do you want to live somewhere with freedom of speech or somewhere that oppress's ideas and thoughts. This country is far from racist (look at the denial of prop 187 even though it was passed into law) and the police are far from sympathetic to us. Either way, we will continue to be how we are until we are free to live our lives how we see fit or until we die. We have been this way for over 50 years now and we will still keep growing stronger. Think on this, when you try to suppress us through laws, demonstrations or violence, you are no better then we are accused of being.
A few notes I'd like to make: to leftistlatino, get a life, the register bashing leftists and the reporter a racist? I feel sorry for the intelligence of your children with the stupidity of those comments. to JohnK, so if someone hosts a christian concert or a heavy metal concert, does that mean they believe in christianity or is a metal head? No, it means they believe in respecting the people's right to assembly and freedom of speech. Nothing illegal is done in his establishment and other then that, he is a protector of freedom.
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by leftistlatino
Thursday, Sep. 06, 2001 at 12:53 AM
To FenrirWolf: 1. Quote me right: I never called the reporter with the Reg a racist. And if you don't think the Reg bashes the Left at every opportunity, well you have obviously never read Gordon Dillow's column or Mike Shelton's editorial cartoons in which they constantly use the tired cliche of the "dirty hippy" when writing about the Left. One more point: if you don't think that article was positioned in a way to attack the protestors and pervert the intention of their protest, then you have obviously never been aquainted with logic and critical thinking. 2. This country is far from racist? HAHAHA. This is a country in which a non-"white" was not considered a citizen until the latter half of the 20th century. This is a country that systematically killed the original inhabitants of the land and finally put them on reservations far away from "Americans" so that they are out of sight, out of mind. This is a country in which black people couldn't even vote without fear of death no more than 40 years ago. I'm not saying that the US is the worst country on Earth (it isn't) but to pretend that racism is not ingrained in the fabric of this country (remember the original Constitution and its position that a slave was considered 3/5th of a person?) is not only ignorant, it shows the stupidity of your movement.
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by P-Funk
Thursday, Sep. 06, 2001 at 1:47 AM
I am surprised to see so many Nazis on IMC.
Remember what happened to Hitler.
Jews, blacks, and queers will only stand so many beatings before they get together to kick your sorry asses!
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by Queer Patrol
Thursday, Sep. 06, 2001 at 1:50 AM
Love is the only way to reach a Nazi.
Hug a Hitler Youth today!
These sad, sorry, freaks just need a little love.
Their dad just beat them, their friends hit them. They need a hug today.
Put a little love in your heart.
But if the Shack has to go, it has to go!
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by A Concerned White American
Thursday, Sep. 06, 2001 at 4:40 AM
It is only fair that these type (White Power) of shows and rallies be allowed to go on. No crimes are being committed. Besides, in America we ALL have the right to freedom of speech, press, religion and expression. If you don't like the Constitution, why don't you pack your bags and move to, say, China...I'm sure it will be a whole lot better there! Now, to prove my point, think back on all the media coverage you have seen involving all sorts of "freedom of speech" acts. Think about the Gay Pride Parades, think about Jesse Jackson and his many public rallies and speeches, think about the JDL and Anti-Racist Action's own "freedom of speech" that was allowed to protest this concert Sunday. If no crimes are being committed, I ask you to THINK FOR YOURSELF FOR ONCE, what is the REAL reason behind your hatred for Pro-White Americans aka Racists? You can say there are hate crimes committed all the time, and how evil racists are...but when you actually take the time to think about things as I have...you will also see the numerous heinous hate crimes against whites. You will also see that is NOT portrayed on the media the way white on black crimes are. Non-white on white crimes are very rarely even in the news, unless it is the local paper or the internet. I find that very sad and hypocrital myself, to withold the truth from the public. I ask you to wake up and think for yourself, regardless of race or religion. In America, Pro-Whites have the RIGHT to freedom of speech, press, religion and expression...as does everyone else. Why not let them use it? Could it be because they might actually be RIGHT?
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by american
Thursday, Sep. 06, 2001 at 5:41 AM
smashem8814@aol.com
the show at the shack was a expression of americans constitutional rights.if they take away the nazis right to free speach yours will be next.besides,the nazis have had plenty of their shows and they have all gone off without a hitch.in fact,the communist and anti racist protesters commited the only crimes of the night.although they went unpunished ,the protesters yelled profanities at passers by,children and young women.on top of that they vandalized a sign post by writing fuck off nazis.the last i heard the patrons of the show did absolutely nothing wrong,morally or legally.thank you.protect free speach!
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by Brian
Thursday, Sep. 06, 2001 at 5:50 AM
NS88@freedom.com 909 676 3175
The Communist protester's and ara will never stop the message of Nationalism. You can take the Shack away, but we will always be around. When you take our meeting place, we will secretly gather underground. Do you think one building is the reason for the rise in National Socialist ideals? Take a look at your country and decide who is responsible for the rise in Right-wing activity. We are denied White schools,neighborhoods,communities,states,heritage, and so on. It seems anything White, is racist. Anything colored, is beautiful and great. Until we secure a future for our own, we will be here to stay. The White population continues to decline, while all other races explode in numbers. We are being pushed out of our own lands. Why continue to hold down one race, to strengthen another?. White Pride, Brian
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by Micheal Richard
Thursday, Sep. 06, 2001 at 12:40 PM
I can't believe that the Queer Patrol is so deranged that he/she/it would call proud White Americans "freaks". You have alot of nevere.I'll be bashing the first queer I see this weekend in your honor.
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by Chris
Thursday, Sep. 06, 2001 at 12:52 PM
webmaster@resistance
The protest shows how ignorant the average American lemming is. Many of these pro-White shows go on all over the world. It is easy to see who the real oppressors are, the ones who only want politically correct speech to be allowed. What hypocrites! Here is some real hate for you to protest. Look at this quote from one of the major record companies: From: "Sweatin Bullets"; Brand Nubian, Everything Is Everything, 1994, Elektra Entertainment, Warner Communications, Time Warner, USA, A fight, a fight, a nigger and a white, if the nigger don't win then we all jump in. . . . smoking all [of] America's white boys.
-Chris
www.resistance.com
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by you will know soon enough
Thursday, Sep. 06, 2001 at 1:44 PM
Lets get something very clear here! Your stupid protest was aloud to happen. Because we allowed it to happen! You all made such asses of yourselves we didn't have to engage you. You can not laugh and sing victory over this, because there was no battle fought. We sing victory because we accomplished what we set out to do. What you are now seeing and realizing is that 1,000's of people did not come to hear your voice, (not even the news)...reason being, this is Orange County and we are the ones that live here, you are the ones that are not welcome here. So, before you start thinking about gathering your group of 30 people, think of one thing....COMMIE PINKO SCUM are NOT ALLOWED in Orange County. We are ready for you at anytime. Don't think that you are untouchable. You will soon find out what kind of "freaks" and "losers" we can be. So next time you run into a "Nazi" when you are on the street...Don't deny your beliefs because you are afraid of getting the shit kicked out of you. (The Hippy at Carls knows who you are). The only reason you homo's go after the shack is because you do not see the owner as a threat. And all he is doing is giving EVERYONE the right to play!!!!! If you want to make yourselves out to be "tuff asses" then bring your sorry asses to the game. Otherwise STFU! So you go ahead and keep poking the sticks at the sleeping lion! See what happens when that lion wakes up!
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by WIZARD
Thursday, Sep. 06, 2001 at 2:34 PM
wizardskinoc@yahoo.com
I watched and listed to the pitiful antics and derogatory remarks demonstrated by the borage of protesters. It's hard to take belligerent goons yelping into a bull horn serious, but people do. After a few hours the protesters got up and left (shortly after the police did). I am still not sure what it they were protesting us, the shack, the bands? the idea that brought us there? I read one reply that seemed to target the blame at the shack for making a profit of us. The real joke is that the main protester Irv Rubin makes more money off us than the shack ever will. I know for the people standing on the outside looking in it's hard to see the truth. So for the record I'd like to say that I Love my People. A beautiful race that has accomplished so much it's hard to even fathom. So on that note. Good day and good luck to all you truth seekers out there.
-Wizard
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by Nichole Hiers
Thursday, Sep. 06, 2001 at 3:36 PM
Whitebaby55@Yahoo.Com 3417 Villa Knolls Dr. Las Vegas NV 89120
I would like to take a moment to thank you for your stand and the understanding of "freedom of speech".
I applaude you for writting the artical.....you may not agree with our beliefs but you do allow us our freedoms.
Not all "White-Power" people believe in the violence and the hate, some of us just want to be with our own. now I ask, what is wrong with that?
Keep up the good work and we thank you.
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by Ice T
Thursday, Sep. 06, 2001 at 3:50 PM
dark_ranko@yahoo.com
KKK BITCH
Aw yeah, what's up out there? BC's in the house. Right about now, I wanna tell you a little love story, you know what I'm sayin', this is a Body Count love story check out the lyrics, you know, I'm a tell you 'bout what happened when we went down South last year on tour.
Out on tour yo, I been all around the world went to Georgia, met this fine-assed white girl, blonde hair, blue eyes, big tits and thighs, the kinda girl that would knock out most guys. She got wild in the backstage bathroom, sucked my dick like a muthafuckin' vacuum, said "I love you, but my daddy don't play, he's the fuckin' grand wizard of the KKK."
I I I love my KKK bitch, love it when she sucks me though, I I I love my KKK bitch, love it when she fucks me though, I I I love my KKK bitch, she loves it when I treat her bad, I I I love my KKK bitch, mutha fuck her dear old dad.
You know what I'm sayin'. So we was down South fallin' in love, you know, D-Roc had this Nazi girl, my man Mooseman had a skinhead, I fell in love with Tipper Gore's two twelve year old nieces. It was wild, you know what I'm sayin', it got even worse, you know.
So one night they took us to a meetin' white sheets, white hoods, no room for seatin' there was Skinheads, Nazi's and crazies, talkin' 'bout black people pushin' up daisies. They hated Blacks, Jews, Puerto Ricans, Mexicans, Chinese, even the Indians. We had our hoods on, we were slick she pushed her butt up hard against my dick. Then her daddy jumped on the stage talkin' 'bout killin' in a goddamn rage. I got mad, my dick got hard entered in her ass she said, "Oh my God!"
I I I love my KKK bitch, love it when she fucks me though, I I I love my KKK bitch, love it when she sucks me though, I I I love my KKK bitch, she loves it when I treat her bad, I I I love my KKK bitch, mutha fuck her dear old dad. So what we really tryin' to say is Body Count loves everybody. We love Mexican girls, Black girls, Oriental girls, it really don't matter. If you from Mars, and you got a pussy, we will fuck you. You know, that's all we're sayin', word.
So every year when Body Count comes around we throw an orgy in every little Southern town. KKK's, Skinheads, and Nazi girls break their necks to get to the party. It ain't like their men can't nut, their dick's too little and they just can't fuck. So we get buck wild with the white freaks we show them how to really work the white sheets. I know her daddy'll really be after me, when his grandson's named little Ice-T.
I I I love my KKK bitch, love it when she fucks me though, I I I love my KKK bitch, love it when she sucks me though, I I I love my KKK bitch, she loves it when I treat her bad, I I I love my KKK bitch, mutha fuck her dear old dad.
Ice T
www.mcicet.com/
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by Hired Thug
Thursday, Sep. 06, 2001 at 4:22 PM
Interesting for a bunch of Nazi's... ooops, I mean "nationalists" to speak about free speech and the U.S. Constitution. However, it is a "free country", right...?
My humble suggestion to the many Nazi's who have spoken about free speech on this comment page...is to actually, maybe, perhaps, read the U.S. Constitution. However, since you are probally much too busy holding the constitution in one hand while crushing it with the other... let me suggest that "limiting free speech" refers to government supression of the first amendment to the U.S. Constitution... private individuals and organizations are acutally utilizing thier own free speech by protesting against you and letting citizens know about what is happening in their community.
The Shack (I am assuming this is the name of the club)is simply acting as a buisness in allowing you to play there. In fact, for them, it is not an issue of free speech, but I suspect a matter of choice. Why do I say this? Well...
I own a record store (independent...) Everyday I make decisions about what I stock in the store. For instance, I do not and will not stock Barry Manilow or Elton John. Does this make me anti-free speech? Hell no... it's my buisness and I sell what I damn choose. I also don't sell White Power music... again my buisness my choice. The Shack is making a choice... quite frankly, if the Shack was interested in music that was "pushing the boundries and controversial," there are way more interesting things than White Power music out there... but back to my point...
If people don't like what I stock in my store... they have every right under the U.S. Constitution to write letters, boycott my store, protest, tell others not to shop there... that is what many in a capitalist country would call consumer power... while those of a higher calling would call it a social conscience. Doing these things are not attacking my right to sell and stock what I want... it is simply a response to my decisions.
However, if the government did the above... it would be consider censorship. However, I did not read about any government agents blocking your path into your poor musical tastes and I must assume that this is not an issue of free speech... but simply one of opposing ideological views.
To be honest after seeing the mess you all made of things from the 1920s until the late 1940s... I am hoping your opponents learn from thier mistakes during that same time period and do better this in response to your very clear agenda for the future.
Anyway... must get back to work. Hope this was helpful to someone. Oh yeah... from now on... anytime I hear about a white power concert in the United States... I am going to donate my day's profits to the human rights organization that the last customer of the day suggests. Just me doing my small part.
Also, as I was surfing the web to find out more about white power music... I found an interesting book called "Soundtracks to the White Revolution: White Supremacist Assaults on Youth Music Subcultures" it is published by the Northwest Coalition for Human Dignity (www.nwchd.org) and The Center for New Community (www.newcomm.org.
I am ordering 20 copies to stock in my store and I challenge club and music store owners to do the same!
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by Robert
Thursday, Sep. 06, 2001 at 4:29 PM
aussienative@hotmail.com
It's funny that some scrawny dirty smelling homeless looking buggers are calling us losers when the majority of the people at the show were professionals and make good money. I know some of the people who were there are nurses, lawyers, x-ray techs, legal aids, and a lot of them own there own businesses. It doesn’t even look like McDonalds would even hire those scummy looking blokes because of there cleanliness. Of course we had some hard working blokes inside as well. I even flew in from Australia to be there to attend the show because of my own business I can travel at will. I will go just about go anywhere to support freedom of speech and a better future for our people. I am definitely not a loser. Then when I arrive there I am met by sickly looking tramps screaming through their blow holes and shouting obscenities and showing off their filthy unwashed arses. They even tried to block my way through the driveway to the club but I proceeded through in my rental car anyways. It was very ironic that they were screaming no hair, no necks, no brains and also screaming losers when they were the ones outside in about a 100 degree weather with black clothes and black hoods on. While we were inside with ice-cold beer, very hot chicks, & listening to some great Rock-N-Roll music. Who has the brains now??? Keep Freedom of Speech Strong OC!!! Robert
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by Ingrid Hallingstad
Thursday, Sep. 06, 2001 at 4:51 PM
fireviking@yahoo.com
Going through all these posts, I see a sort of pattern. Those in favor the the band playing at "The Shack" seem to write in a well bred manner and use clean language. Somehow or another, a low IQ nigger slipped in and wrote a little rap piece that absolutely demonstrates how moronic and filthy their minds really are. All they think about is sex and lewdness. Can't you get together the brains to write something intelligent? Obviously not. The issue at stake here, as far as I am concerned, is not whether or not White Power bands have the right to perform according to the Constitution (it should be obvious that they do) or even the fact that fags often perform in public and spew body secretions all over their fans, taking so-called "art" to the most degenrate extremes. (No one seems to protest these performances very much) The issue is that our own people are the most hypocritical and dumbed down people probably ever to exsist. It is suicidal to embrace other races, while scorning your own kind. Do you ever see animals do this? No. Do you see predators get caught up in the morality of what they are doing? No. If animals were to do this, there would be more extinction than there is now. It is not the matter so much of hate, but survival and sometimes when your back is to the wall, hate is a survival instinct. Let's get real here, White people. Most non-Whites hate you! They would like to see you become a non-entity. Why do you give over to thier depravity? Do you really want to become a people like them that can't think past their genitals? When the White becomes extinc, there will be no more civilazion.
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by mike
Thursday, Sep. 06, 2001 at 6:10 PM
maggot001@whitevictory.com
the protestors in orange county in addition to being rediculous broke several laws. mainly exposing themselves to young ladys. i found this whole protest without merit. in addition to protesting against our right to hear the music we choose and gather together with the people we choose. they are the first to claim "the freedom of speech" when questioned about why they were there attempting to insight us so called nazis to violence. it amuses me that you didnt print the other crude language they were spouting. i personally was called a sick mother fucker by your so called anti racsist action demonstrators. im sure if you check news archives you will find that all of our white power shows are peaceful i have been to several punk shows where people get stabbed. and violence erupts just look at the show in L.A. on monday all of you members of the media make me sick!!! 14/88 for my race and nation mike
www.whitevictory.com
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by Sean Cougar
Thursday, Sep. 06, 2001 at 6:16 PM
coastal@tvwriter.com
How come if blacks to a rap concert their not called names? How come if latins do a tejano concert their applauded? How come if a jew celebrates his history he's applauded? If an Aryan celebrates his history or culture everyone calls him names and tries to stop him. Aryans have as much right to freedom of expression, to celebrate our ethnicity and culture as anyone else. The demonstrators were attempting to violate persons rights of assembly and free speech. The left wingers were as usual unamerican. Why doesn't anyone discuss that?
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by Native OC anti-racist white person
Thursday, Sep. 06, 2001 at 7:29 PM
I'm was born in OC, I'm white, and I oppose race-traitors like the nazis who are traitors to the human race!
I saw this letter in today's Register. It looks as if the people of Orange County support the protesters! Learn to accept all humans, nazis! If you don't accept others, then you have no right to criticize those who don't accept you!
Orange County Register
Letters
9-05-01
Commend those who protested
In the article, "Supremacist concert protested" [Local News, Sept. 3], Christopher Johnson of the Ku Klux Klan says of human rights protesters, "They are here to stop a political voice - that's un-American. They are embarrassing themselves." My grandfather died in World War II while fighting to put an end to Hitler's racial hatred and intolerance. He didn't die so that a new generation of Hitler supporters could spread their hatred in America while claiming to call it a "political voice."
Nothing could be more pro-American than working to end racism and hatred. Christopher Johnson is the one who is an embarrassment to himself and all his racist followers. I commend the protesters who stood up to oppose hate outside The Shack!
Mercedes Luna Fountain Valley
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by Capricorus
Thursday, Sep. 06, 2001 at 7:30 PM
Funny,
Just the other day a bloke gave me a couple of CD's. One from a band called "Bound for Glory" and another group named "Initmidation One." Being of a semi-open mind... I played them... sounded like rock n' roll to me. Didn't know that white supremacists were into Rock n' Roll. Especially, when American culture is built on multiracialism.
Don't know about ARA, Shack, dirty clothes, who works where and all the rest of it... but I can smell hypocrites miles away. This so called... white power music smells just the same.
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by Glory14
Thursday, Sep. 06, 2001 at 8:23 PM
Unless you have been living in a cave you would know the fact that whites have been the ones on the defensive for many years. We in truth are the minority now and are still being attacked for wanting to preserve our culture and the integrity of our race. Why is it so bad, to want to educate your people to be free of guilt and proud of who they are? Why should we feel responsible for every other races woes and neglect ourselves? You are very backward. Look at the facts and think alittle before you open your mouth. People like you are puppets and just solidify the fact that we, who are aware, are in the right. Christopher Johnson is dead on the money, and the actions of the protesters just proves our point. Hail Victory! 14!
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by Glory14
Thursday, Sep. 06, 2001 at 8:25 PM
Unless you have been living in a cave you would know the fact that whites have been the ones on the defensive for many years. We in truth are the minority now and are still being attacked for wanting to preserve our culture and the integrity of our race. Why is it so bad, to want to educate your people to be free of guilt and proud of who they are? Why should we feel responsible for every other races woes and neglect ourselves? You are very backward. Look at the facts and think alittle before you open your mouth. People like you are puppets and just solidify the fact that we, who are aware, are in the right. Christopher Johnson is dead on the money, and the actions of the protesters just proves our point. Hail Victory! 14!
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by FenrirWolf
Thursday, Sep. 06, 2001 at 11:35 PM
Okay latino, how about you telling me one CURRENT thing in the country that shows the racism of the state. Every example is of the past, which it is nothing like now (if you couldn't tell by the flood of illegal immigration and crime). Everything lately is geared towards helping the miinorites of this country (stopping prop 187, affirmative action, hate crime laws, bush trying to make millions of illegals legal). I never said the country was never racist, I said it is not, currently, racist in any way.
I would also like you to tell me one line of that article where the media "perverted" the intentions of the protestors. It looks like a fair article to me, if not leaning toward the protestors considering they didn't say anything about the violent acts or vandalism the protestors engaged in.
To Ice T, thank you for showing the exact reason why we consider you (no, not all negro's, just too many to ignore) to have nothing remotely close to a human intelligence.
To Hired Thug, it is your right to stock what music you choose, and it is everyone's right to protest and ban and boycott your store. What is not a right is to fire bomb us, shoot us while we're unarmed in a store (joe rowan), shoot us in the head with an SKS while we're unarmed in a car (eric banks) and generally act like animals when we're civilly exercising our right to assembly. Now I know you don't defend the murderers but that is a small bit of what we have had to deal with to defend our rights. So donate as much as you want to those that oppose us. Even if it were in the millions it wouldn't phase us one bit. The only way to get rid of us is to go against what true freedom loving americans believe and make laws against us and murder all who don't follow them. If you really looked into them with an open mind you'd see they were nothing but another racist or perverted group with a thin veil of humanity covering their inability to show their true feelings. With us you have to admit, what you see is what you get and we show what we feel and mean.
To Mercede's, I'm sorry your grandfather died in WWII. One thing you might be mistaken about, not many really knew about what supposedly happened in the camps until the war was nearly over. Your grandfather went to fight to keep Germany from trying to expand it's borders into the Allie's friendly countries. My grandfather fought to defend his country (Italy) and his country was left in ruins and his cities looted while the women were raped by americans. And they had it better off then the Germans (over 2 million murdered by Americans and French). No country is ever civil during war. It's only the victor who write the history and leave themselves smelling like roses.
To end this novel heh, You can ban and protest and boycott all you want, we will still continue on just as we alway have. Threaten us and we will fight back without reserve. If you really opened your mind and talked to any of us, you'd see we are here for the love of our race and our ideals, to try and protect our way of life and heritage. We are not here to wipe out every race not white and dominate the world (like the media and talk shows would love you to believe heh).
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by Jay88
Friday, Sep. 07, 2001 at 12:35 AM
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most of you know me,even you protesters do. I was the one driving by with my battle flag hanging out the window, while you all where freaking out behind your masks. Think about this for one minute, if a mexican has brown pride on his car or t-shirt is he racist? Is listening to malcom x wrong for the blacks? No, but he wanted total separation and preached about the "white devil". So before you go calling names and looking down on us, take a good look at yourself. At least we know what we want and who we are. Are you ashamed of who you are? You must be, hiding behind ninja costumes and acting like animals. When I got pulled over and harrassed for waveing my war flag I asked the cop "are you ashamed of who you are?" he said "no" and I said "neither am I" , but the protesters are and thats why they hide their faces. They must be ashamed for what they stand for. I am white and I love the white race. I stand up for it and will never feel guilty or ashamed because of it. 14/88 Jay ps.leave the owner of tha shack alone, he isnt even white, he is lebonese and beleives in freedom of speech......
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by Jay88
Friday, Sep. 07, 2001 at 12:36 AM
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most of you know me,even you protesters do. I was the one driving by with my battle flag hanging out the window, while you all where freaking out behind your masks. Think about this for one minute, if a mexican has brown pride on his car or t-shirt is he racist? Is listening to malcom x wrong for the blacks? No, but he wanted total separation and preached about the "white devil". So before you go calling names and looking down on us, take a good look at yourself. At least we know what we want and who we are. Are you ashamed of who you are? You must be, hiding behind ninja costumes and acting like animals. When I got pulled over and harrassed for waveing my war flag I asked the cop "are you ashamed of who you are?" he said "no" and I said "neither am I" , but the protesters are and thats why they hide their faces. They must be ashamed for what they stand for. I am white and I love the white race. I stand up for it and will never feel guilty or ashamed because of it. 14/88 Jay ps.leave the owner of the shack alone, he isnt even white, he is lebonese and beleives in freedom of speech......
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by schnurli
Friday, Sep. 07, 2001 at 5:32 AM
schnurlikatz@hotmail.com
Keep your perverted 'love' to yourself, Brucie-poo. If one of you AIDS-infested freaks touches any person without his/her consent, it is considered simple assault, so don't be surprised if you get your purple panties sued right off your poofy little bum.
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by schnurli
Friday, Sep. 07, 2001 at 5:45 AM
schnurlikatz@hotmail.com
I hate to burst your little bubble, Sparky, but black on White crime is far greater than White on black EVER was. But it seems that as long as a person is White, today s/he is considered fair game for all sorts of hate crimes. Note what happened on Fat Tuesday in Seattle. Note what happened recently in Cincinnati. HUNDREDS of blacks were arrested in both cities for rioting, looting, assault, arson, you name it. It is well known that Whites were targeted for these vitriolic crimes, yet only ONE black has been charged with a hate crime, and from what I'm hearing THAT charge may be dropped. It's about time decent White people stopped having to feel guilty for being born White. There is nothing at all wrong with White Pride. What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. If there can be 'black pride' and 'latino pride' and 'asian pride' and 'jewish pride' then there can, and always will be 'White Pride.' The at The Shack concert was a legitimate musical event, and a source of pride to decent White people who support these bands, who DO, by the way, have as much right to their events as any other group. If you don't like it, why don't you go move to Rhodesia -- oooops, they're calling it 'Zimbabwe' now -- and try to get along with the black savages there. If you're White you'll be robbed, beaten, raped and very possibly killed. If you're black, chances are you'll starve, since none of the marauding negroes there have even the first hint of an idea of how to farm the land they robbed from the White farmers. Viel Spaß, Sparky! :-) Have a nice day!
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by schnurli
Friday, Sep. 07, 2001 at 5:58 AM
Thank you for that display of semi-literate, low-class, uneducated, lewdness. Seems that's about the speed of all the those who protested the concert. Hmmmmmm What does this say about each group? Seems to me that those in support of the concert are well-spoken, educated repsondents, who use clean language, while those in protest can do little but spout filth and threats. This just bears out the statistics that non-White on White crime is far higher than White on non-white, even though Whites were the vast majority when these statistics were collected. Wake up, lemmings!
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by Anne
Friday, Sep. 07, 2001 at 4:17 PM
LS2000@webtv.net (503)985-7037 POB 276; Forest Grove, OR 97116
As a "Yuppie" I read about the protests at the Shack over the playing of White Rock music and I remember back in the 60's whenever Blacks showed their stuff there was mass protests from whites, especially in the South. I now understand what the black went through then. Guess it is the just the sign of the times.I do feel the whateveryouwantocallthem's at the Shack have a right to party as long as no one else is hurt.
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by Hired Thug
Friday, Sep. 07, 2001 at 9:27 PM
FenrirWolf,
Well, I guess we do agree on one point. I also don't believe that white nationalism is an argument regarding ignorance, or divorce, or class status... etc... etc.. etc.. I know television talk shows would like America to believe that white nationalism springs from ignorance and extremism... but I think that it is closer to the margins than most American feel comfortable admiting.
I believe that this struggle is over two basic questions.
#1. Who is an American, and;
#2. What will America look like.
From my very humble understanding... there have already been three struggles that have addressed the two questions above. They are:
1. The Revolutionary War. (This defined only Anglo and Germanic cultures as true Americans.
2. The Civil War. (Defined all people of European descent as Americans).
3. The Civil Rights Struggle. (Continued to expand the definition of what and who is an American to include people of color.)
The results did not happen overnight but were a continous process of time. I think that we agree that white nationalist groups are "see what you get movement." It is for this very reason that I oppose the philosophies of national socialism and fascism. I also am not a big lover of nationalism in general... but understand that is my own problem to deal with.
I also believe that the United States is no longer a white state... I don't believe that there has ever has been a white culture in the United States. Now, that doesn't mean that I don't think racism or other forms of bigotry no longer exist in government institutions... I just happen to believe that white nationalists... just like their opponents are struggling to see who gets to answer the two questions I proposed in the very beginning of the large novel.
I am curious to hear how you see it.
P.S.
I also admit... not knowing the histories of Rowan's and Bank's... last night I spent a little time on the web to see their stories. You are right... it is sad and tragic... to lose ones life and for those to lose one they care about.
However, I also understand that both of the individuals saw themselves as white revolutionaries. It is a historical fact that most revolutionaires die from/for their beliefs, end of imprison or in a mental institution. This is not a statment of judgement on my part but simply one of fact. From what I have read (and please let me know if I am wrong) both of these individuals were not merely holders of the views of white nationalism but were active as organizers.. both legal and illegal, including some violent actions.
In my long life I have seen many revolutionaries of both the right and left give up their lives... or in some cases throw their lives away... sad, but not very surprising.
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by Spike
Saturday, Sep. 08, 2001 at 4:00 AM
Yeah, the First Amendment refers to government censorship, but if a private citizen, such as yourself, were to stop a Fascist, such as myself, from excercising my Constitutionally protected rights, you'd be violating my civil rights, and subject to prosecution and a long stay in prison. So think about that next time you get on your high-brow soap box, dumb-ass!
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by jk
Saturday, Sep. 08, 2001 at 4:30 AM
Racist laws have been off the books, technically, since the 13th and 14th amendments. Since then, new racist laws don't mention race directly, but rather, have extremely uneven effects and are obviously designed to harm one group more than another.
The crack laws gave crack harsher sentences than powder cocaine. That's a racist law because the black drug dealers tended to sell coke.
Whenever immigrant groups move into an area, minor local laws are passed that are designed to target their cultural practices, like having barbeques in their front yards, or serving food lukewarm, or having a non-english word on a sign. They basically harass people, and are designed to make a place unfriendly to new residents.
And, prop 187 was mentioned. Scuse me, but 187 PASSED. Basically, all the propositions that tip the scales in favor of "white power" all passed. That sounds like racism in action to me.
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I'm really enjoying reading the posts by the nazis here. Your easy acceptance of some patently ridiculous stereotypes is amusing. I'm sure I won't be laughing when a gang of race haters beats my ass, but, it's funny for now.
That Body Count song was a *joke*. Just because your lame music is totally serious, don't assume that everyone else is serious too.
Oh, and to the white chick in Nevada -- if you want separation and peace, why the hell do you associate with people who encourage violence and are busy building up martyrs?
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I'm tripping out on how, in one breath, you all say that you're spending money and have good jobs, and then claim that the world is against you. That's typical "white victim" thinking. If you were really victims, you'd be broke-ass and struggling to find a job, like most of the world that's been victimized by white power.
You get all these opportunities, and then, you start actually getting nice jobs and nice cars, and you still feel like the world is against you. Then, you use the fact that you're all feeling sorry for yourselves to concoct some bulls*** philosophy, and justify supporting hate crimes?
It sounds like you people will *never* get your act together, and you're doomed to be angry for the rest of your life, and you'll never do anything good for the world. And, your sick philosophy is going to keep you stuck in this miserable rut, until you go out "in a blaze of glory" getting in some fight with a cabbie or convenience store clerk.
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Only a few of the protesters wore masks. The rest of them were unmasked. Don't accuse the crowd of hiding behind masks.
I know it's hard to tell the truth, but you liars should try it some time.
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And to all you "peaceful" racists. Here's the funniest thing about "white pride". The concept of "white" was constructed in order to make it easier to create the black slave class. The slave laws made it easier to identify slaves -- white=free black=slave. (yeah, there were white slaves, and there were free blacks, but that changed over time because of these laws.)
There's nothing neutral about white pride. It's founded on the creation of inequality and oppression.
And, there's no such thing as "white culture", except the culture of oppression. There's Irish culture, there's many German cultures, many Italian cultures, etc, but there's no "white culture". At least not one that's not based in moving white people into a nonwhite territory, and then beating up on the indigenous people.
So many whites have gone around the world, and colonized it, and then been worshipped by the very people who got seriously f****** over. That's the history of the 18th and 19th century. Now, you have to deal with the brown people as equals, and you can't handle it! That's weak.
(If they really *were* equal in this society, they'd be busting your asses regularly. As it is, people fear you, because they know that some of the cops don't really give a damn about the minorities in OC.)
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Malcolm X came to his senses and became anti-Nationalist and anti-separatist. For this, he was murdered by nationalist blacks.
I understand that, when one of the "Nationalists" comes to his senses and defects, they often fear for their lives. You racists talk "peace", but your actions say "terrorism".
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And a parting idea: a white nation won't work.
If you all got some all-white land (let's call it Europe), you'd eventually start to segregate and fight. The nordics would beat on the italians. The french would beat the germans, who would go hating the poles and hungarians. All you know is how to categorize people into races, and then hate them.
It would be a mess, so you'd have to hire some minorities to live in your hate-state to bring back your unity.
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by Spike
Saturday, Sep. 08, 2001 at 6:30 PM
Wonderful piece you just posted. You talk about us acting like "victims", yet your whole post centers aroud the "victimization" of minorities! What a fucking stooge! By you definition of "culture" you can certainly see that there is also no "black", "asian", or "hispanic" culture, either. So what's your point, then, dimwit? If you hate "White" opression, why are you using a computer? Don't you know it's White invention? And why are you communicating in English? In case you didn't know it, that is a European language, you turd.
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by Hired Thug
Saturday, Sep. 08, 2001 at 7:25 PM
Spike,
Thanks for calling me a "dumb-ass." I had almost begun to believe that I was speaking to people who had actuall read fascist material like Yockey's "Imperium" instead of using the pages to cut up their crystal meth. Thanks for setting me straight.
In regard to your intelligent comments about constitutional rights... I did not read anywhere in the article about individuals not being allowed in the concert. From articles that I have read in the papers about klan protests... it seems that a number of protesters have been arrested for attempting to disrupt the march.. and that they have been charged and convicted for those actions.
Again, it is my perspective that this is an ideological and political struggle between white nationalist state and those who believe in a multi-cultural state. It is not surprising that both sides will contain elements that act in both legal and extra-legal efforts. I may be mistaken... but I am not aware of many people who have gone to a white power concert... just for the music. It is a political, cultural, and social organizing tool... and it seems to be a big money maker... according to this report "Soundtracks to the White Revolution" that I ordered the other day.
Nevertheless... your concerts would seem to naturally attract those who oppose you. I mean... come on... let's face it... you are not the United Way.
You forgot something... by Spike 12:00am Fri Sep 7 '01
Yeah, the First Amendment refers to government censorship, but if a private citizen, such as yourself, were to stop a Fascist, such as myself, from excercising my Constitutionally protected rights, you'd be violating my civil rights, and subject to prosecution and a long stay in prison. So think about that next time you get on your high-brow soap box, dumb-ass!
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by CASEe
Saturday, Sep. 08, 2001 at 8:31 PM
You know whats funny on the ARA web site they sell pins with the logo kill whitey!
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by Byron Calvert
Saturday, Sep. 08, 2001 at 11:43 PM
Byron@tightrope.cc 703 669 0964 po 4345 leesburg va. 20177
What was your reaction when Black Rappers like Tupac Shakur play a concert in your area? He has a CD titled "Kill Da White Manz" I believe. Would you not conmsider that a "racist concert?" Many other Rap "artists" enjoy the right to play to stadiums of young people who listen to lyrics depicting Black on White violence, yet everybody gets uptight over 80 white kids listening to some music? Shame.........
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by Spike
Sunday, Sep. 09, 2001 at 1:25 AM
Let's get one thing straight- anyone who does drugs is a nigger, and I don't give a shit what color they happen to be. Well, sport, I ain't no nigger, but it was a cute comeback, nonetheless.
Anyway, in your posting regarding "our" supposed ignorance of the Constitution, you certainly came across like some sort of pompous, phony, pseudo-intellectual. You actually reminded me of one of those UN diplomats who look you in the eye, and tell you how they can do a much better job of handling your life, for your own good, of course. Maybe I shouldn't have taken it out on you by resorting to name-calling. Here's the problem:
freedom of speech by johnk 3:49am Tue Sep 4 '01
"There are numerous restrictions on the freedom of expression, based on the content of the expression. Excessively "lewd" behavior is subject to arrest. You can't threaten someone bodily harm. If your material doesn't meet community standards, the community can demand that the show be stopped." (Right! Like a Mapplethorpe exhibit? - Spike)
As you can plainly see, this is the mind-set "we" are up against. This can definitely escalate into a Civil-rights issue in no time at all, and I, for one, am not about to let it happen. No, no one was stopped from entering (like THAT would happen!). That isn't the point. The point is that, like "johnk", these clowns are trying to say that "we" don't have a right to do what "we" do, and I am saying that they're dead wrong, since it's protected by the Constitution, capisce?
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by nationalskinheadfront
Sunday, Sep. 09, 2001 at 2:19 AM
nsfarkansas@whitevictory.com 501 963 1146 po box 114 paris arkansas
may people wake up faster than they are to whats happening in the world, while described in media as majority, the white race is only 8% of the worlds population and of that only 2% is white female of child bearing age, the future of our race lies in the wombs of our women, are we letting the other races destroy us? thank you much racial respect, cliff nsf/ark
www.whitevictory.com/
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by skin victory
Sunday, Sep. 09, 2001 at 2:29 AM
dontuknow@whitevictory.com none none
fuck all u niggers trying to bring the race down u will all drown in your own blood!!!!! 88 heil victory oberstrum totenkopf ss, vergungswaffen ist mein!!!!!!!!!!! may u burn a little blacker in hell...........sieg heil!!!!
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by pwr8814
Sunday, Sep. 09, 2001 at 3:30 AM
pwr8814@yahoo.com
Good to see a WP concert in the So. Cal area. EVERY other racial group has a right to their culture except the white race. If this was a concert of Hispanic or Negro culture it would have been fine and even encouraged by the zog govt and media. But try and be WHITE and PROUD and they beat you down....Pay close attention to this my white comrades.
WPWW
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by Prescott
Sunday, Sep. 09, 2001 at 9:34 AM
force848@yahoo.com
I'm White and I like it.
I am told every day, in a variety of ways, that I should be ashamed of myself. This article is a perfect example.
All White people must stand together and be proud of our heritige.
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by Ted Scales
Sunday, Sep. 09, 2001 at 11:26 AM
pluto@choice.net U.S.A.
Every body has the right to express their view point.this is even if the view point is offensive to some or not a "political correct" opinion.
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by Arian
Sunday, Sep. 09, 2001 at 3:22 PM
You say that Nazi's will fall... but EVERYONE and EVERY PARTY gets there chance to shine.
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by Arian
Sunday, Sep. 09, 2001 at 3:26 PM
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There IS a differance. A Nazi is a fanatical nation socialist... And the constitution was made for white wealthy land owning men... did anyone forget that?
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by suzie
Tuesday, Sep. 11, 2001 at 8:17 AM
" You get all these opportunities, and then, you start actually getting nice jobs and nice cars, and you still feel like the world is against you. Then, you use the fact that you're all feeling sorry for yourselves to concoct some bulls*** philosophy, and justify supporting hate crimes?
It sounds like you people will *never* get your act together, and you're doomed to be angry for the rest of your life, and you'll never do anything good for the world. And, your sick philosophy is going to keep you stuck in this miserable rut, until you go out "in a blaze of glory" getting in some fight with a cabbie or convenience store clerk. "
Who was this comment directed toward? Sounds like it was directed towards blacks, but the rest of your post was against whites. Which one is it?
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by little birdie
Tuesday, Sep. 11, 2001 at 5:12 PM
I HAVE A NICE CAR, NICE HOUSE, NICE FAMILY... I AM HAPPY AT WHERE IM AT, HOW ABOUT YOU? LIVING IN AN APARTMENT WITH YOUR PARENTS, TAKING THE LOCAL BUS TO WORK (IF YOU EVEN HAVE A JOB). AS A SKINHEAD I AM DOING PRETTY DAMN GOOD. AS AGRESSIVE FORCE SAYS:
TAUGHT TO FEEL GUILTY AS A YOUNG WHITE MAN BECAUSE YOUR FOREFATHERS FOUGHT TO PROTECT THEIR LAND.
TAUGHT TO FEEL GUILTY OF THW WHOLE WHITE RACE THAT YOUR HISTORY IS TAINTED A BIG FUCKING DISGRACE.
NOW THTA YOU ARE OLDER LET THE TRUTH BE TOLD ITS OK TO BE PROUD AND ITS OK TO BE BOLD AND...
ITS OKAY TO BE WHITE STRENGTH THROUGH PRIDE YOU HAVE INSDE ITS OKAY TO BE WHITE
ITS OKAY TO BE WHITE LOYALTY FROM WITHIN OU HAVE WITH OUR KIN ITS OK TO BE WHITE
TOLD ABUOT ATROCITIES SIX MILLION JEWS REALLY IT WAS THE HOLOHOAX PROPAGANDA FOR TE EVENING NEWS
TOLD ABOUT TE ARTROCITIES ONE HUNDRED YEARS FORCED SLAVERY AND DONT FORGET THE TRAIL OF FUCKIN' TEARS
ITS OK TO BE RIGHT!!!
WELL SAID ... WE HAVE BEEN TAUGHT TO FEEL GUILTY TO BE WHITE AND ITS ABOUT TIME THAT SHIT CAME TO A STOP BEING WHITE IS A BLESSING NOT A CURSE
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by smith
Tuesday, Sep. 11, 2001 at 8:12 PM
123 main st
I don't understand why everyone has to make such a big deal about the "nazis" or whatever else you'd like to call them. They are not breaking any laws, they are not destroying anyone's property and the owner of that club seems to appreciate their business.
They are simply exercising their rights as human beings to the freedom they deserve - just like anyone else.
The day that this country no longer permits freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of press, etc. is the day that even the people protesting will be afraid to live in.
Why doesn't everyone mind their own business? When you make things your business that really shouldn't be in the first place, YOU are the instigator, which makes you a hypocrite. Get on with your life and don't sweat the small stuff.
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by White Rider
Tuesday, Sep. 18, 2001 at 10:58 AM
whtrider@aol.com
I was there to see some great bands and celebrate my culture and it's fight against our enemies, the bums who were outside who shouted racial slurs at me such as white trash, and cracker. They screamed profanity over a bullhorn, and I hope no children had to hear. Those protestors were low lifes, and I was proud of my people for the reaction, which was ignore them, and lets celebrate being white. We can do that can't we, or is that a privelege that only minorities hold. The real racists are the ARA and those other pathetic groups who hide their racism against proud whites behind false brotherly love. Their logic of hating the haters makes no sence, they might as well protest themselves.
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